WTF is wrong with SwissArms

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>>32788621

Because it's a skeleton of the former company. Literally just a few of the old staff working in a derelict shed to finish a few contracts and perform maintenance on army guns.

All new production is moved to Sauer & Sohn in Germany, using CNC to make all the new cookie cutter guns, and is therefore shit.

The real Swiss SIG really ceased to exist back in 2000, when the SIG company sold all the gun-related production facilities and decided to focus on making beverage containers, lol.


So if you own any "SIG" guns made after the year 2000, you've been duped, BADLY.

>>32788621
One of the reasons why B&T is doing good is because their rifles cost about 30% less than the SIG equivalent (APC223 is CHF 2600.00, SIG 551 is CHF 3600.00). They also offer a complete line of SMG, integrally suppressed SMG, and rifle with the same ergos. All guns are completely customizable. So if you want to equip your police department with one line of guns, B&T is a good option. Then, they also have compact PDWs, sniper rifles and grenade launchers. B&T also tries to innovate. A new pistol/carbine hybrid called the USW should come out this year.

SIG lives on its old glories from the 1990s, the 550, 551, 553 and the grenade launcher that goes with it. Some parts are even purchased from B&T (railed handguard, Rotex flash hidder...).

>>32788621
I'm wondering what percentage of firearms production cost is the price of labor.

Swissarms is competing with German neighbors and Germany devalued its currency by coupling it to south European countries (without rising wages) ...

DM and CHF used to have a fairly stable exchange-rate,
the CHF to EURO rate is currently almost 1:1, it used to be 1.6:1, when SwissArms was created.

>>32788621
>SG553
>new service rifle

why would they chose a weaker version of the SIG550?
Dont they know a short barrel is shit for 300 meter range?

>>32789291
>when the SIG company sold all the gun-related production facilities and decided to focus on making beverage containers, lol.
Do they still have any tooling left over for sale?

>>32791250
Production costs in Switzerland are brutally hight due to labor and infrastructure cost.

A CNC mechanics makes about CHF 71'000 per year in Switzerland. In Germany the same guy makes EUR 34'000 per year. A guy working in the warehouse makes about CHF 55'000 per year in Switzerland. The same guy makes EUR 33'000 per year in Germany. A secretary makes CHF 61'000 in Switzerland and EUR 28'000 in Germany. An engineer makes CHF 99'000 per year in Switzerland vs. EUR 60'000 in Germany.

And things sum up. Because there's not only your costs as a Swiss manufacturer, there are also the costs of your Swiss suppliers and Swiss sub-contractors that add up.

>>32791260
As far as I've heard they are testing a number of intermediate calibers to substitute 5.56, but it's just hearsay.

>>32788621
Don't give a shit. I just wish they would expert rifles to America so I could buy them.

>>32791429
Yes yes and yes.
i was thinking about setting up a firm to produce cheap ar15 for the swiss market, but as it turns out those we produce now are already at their cheapest.

What use are high wages if the cost of living is this high? An 800 dollar gun goes for 1400 in Switzerland, not to talk about hardware store materials costing easily double what you pay for them in America, and that is if you are able to find them at all.
My country is weird.

>>32788621
>They have contrats with the military in particularly the swiss army and the new swiss service rifle will probably be the SG 553
Stop this meme. It wont, not now and not in 13 years.

>>32788621
What annoys me more was the partial privatisation of the federal companys by the idiot and traitor Adolf Ogi.
Rest in peace Waffenfabrik Bern, Konstruktionswerkstätten Thun and others.

>>32789291
>All new production is moved to Sauer & Sohn in Germany
>The real Swiss SIG really ceased to exist back in 2000

Fucking germans cancer of Europe destroying everything...

>>32791156
>>32791429
But B&T is doing pretty well

>>32791156
How SG 551 cost that much if they supposed to be manufactured is Germany ?

>>32791156
>>32789291
Could B&T acquire SwissArms or at least the licence for the SG 55x ? They have the tools and all the equipment to produce it. They could even make an improved version.

And why the government isn't giving a fuck about that ? SwissArms is the supplier of the army. And somehow it comes to national security and independence. If the local production and knowledge disappears it make us more and more dependent to other countries.

And once the knowledge and the production capability is gone, it's really very hard to get it back.

>>32791584
Fun fact. All patents on the SIG 550 are being held by Switzerland itself.

>>32791462
There is already one company "manufacturing" ARs in Switzerland: Astra S.A. in Sion. The company is super-shady. They took the name Astra to be associated with Spain and are located in Switzerland to be associated with quality. The reviews you can find, suggest that the different parts are made in Asia (probably by Norinco or EMEI) and probably only assembled in Switzerland. The StG-4 rifles go for CHF 1850.00 apiece.

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>>32791559
Well aren't Waffenfabrik Bern and Konstruktionswerkstätten Thun incorporated in RUAG ?

But yeah.. Privatisation (even partial) in the 90' and early 2000' was fucking stupid. They did the same with DiePost/Swisscom (PTT), the SBB/CFF, etc...

And the money whores of the FDP/PLR are pushing for a 100% privatisation of all those companies.

>>32791624
Yes, but RUAG a shit.

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>>32791624
>Waffenfabrik Bern
Wikipedia: Die W+F ist heute ein Teil der RUAG, obwohl die RUAG keine Faust- und Handfeuerwaffen mehr baut.

>>32791614
So the government could simply tell to B&T to make new SG 550 ?

>>32791621
Do they have the right to do that? Isn't this a scam?

>>32791627
In which way?

>>32791645
Overpricing as to what they did charge when they were state owned and they dont make anything useful anymore, see>>32791641
(Translation no more guns)

>>32791641
Is that a piranha ?

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>>32791652
This book is so tragic.

>>32791624
Don't worry, the Zurich and "Grison" SVP is just as much whoring for money as the FDP. Don't forget that the richest member of the national council, which is a SVP woman, supports the USR3 - which will make all people pay more taxes. In the mean time, big companies who are mostly responsible for the uncontrolled immigration and all related problems (overcrowding - less room to shoot, explosion of cost of living - less money too shoot, explosion of costs of health care - less money to have kids so we have to resort to immigrants to secure our AVS...).

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>>32791659
It ends with the words:
We have been able to live long years of peace and wealth. Not the least to the army and its weapons. The federal Constructionfacilities is proud, also to help work in the future in the service of the state and the defence of our country.
(that was written in 1988, 7 years before the betrayal.)

>>32791654
I don't think so. The picture is from Konstruktionswerkstätten Thun, while the Piranha is manufactured by MOWAG.

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>>32789291
>>32791559
>>32791621
>>32791624
>>32791641
>>32791652
>>32791659

ENOUGH ! Why hasn't somebody already hanged the federal council on the Bundesplatz ?!?!!!

This country needs purge.

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>>32791678
I was learning armorer in the army in the atelier circled in red last year and some more ago.

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>>32791699
This is the atelier in 1914.

>>32791697
welcome to some secret but totally lawful and legit (we swear) watchlist held by the Nachrichtungsdienst, friendo :^)

>>32791790
We are on there anyways because we have guns and the traitor politicians dont want us to.

>>32791799
but that is totally ok, ain't it? Violence is not the answer, when we can change things with a simple referendum.

>>32791816
Oh yeah we saw that with MEI.

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>>32791822
And we'll see that with the coming referendum against the EU gun ban. The SVP, the SSV and ProTell will launch a successful referendum and the national council won't do shit because "muh holy Bilaterals... the population supports the Bilaterals... we will go under without the EU..."

Normally, I'm on the right spectrum of politics, but for the first time in a long time I voted left, against the USR 3. Fuck the multinationals, their fiscal advantages and the hordes of expats and Grenzgänger (frontaliers for the Romands) they employ! Fuck the EU and OECD with their tax regulations! Fuck Schengen! This is our country!

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>>32789291

How did we go from this?

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>>32792021

To this....

>>32792028
I have seen a lot of cheap shit (red dots, knives, flashlights) branded by Walther, too.

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>>32791874
noice

Fellow Swissfags, I am looking for a nice AR-type rifle to shoot for fun. What is a good brand that I can find in Switzi without really breaking the bank? Heard lots of good stuff about Norinco.

>32792573
get an AK instead
only $800 in Molenbeek, Brussels

>>32792573
For about the same price as a Norinco (CHF 1000) you can have a Ruger 556 or a Smith & Wesson M&P Sport II. It's the two I would recommend.

One price category higher (CHF 1500 to 1800), you have better Smith & Wessons, some SIG and Windham Industries.

>>32792573
Why are you throwing money out of the window when that shit is all getting banned this or next year?

>>32792627
You can have Chink AK's starting from 650 bucks, buddy.

>>32792683
full autos????

>>32792680
Read the directive! What you buy or inherit now is safe. It won't get seized, confiscated or whatnot.

>>32792691
Starting from 750 bucks, but you need a special license. But full-auto is useless, you're not allowed to shoot full-auto at any shooting ranges.

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>>32792702
Wow. Switzerland sounds like paradise.

>>32792680
It will not. Switzerland is now exempt of the ban

>>32792739
We still wont take shit and do anything else.

>>32792739
>>32792697
You guys need to have some reading comprehension and also are too stupid to trust what they are doing.

>yeah sure we won't ban or confiscate your possessions! Trust us!

Yep.

We are not exempt of the ban in any way.

>>32792782
Have you read the new paragraph that was added? Switzerland, or any country with over 50 years of tradition in conscription and of converting full-auto to semi-auto, won't have to do shit

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>>32791624
>>32791559

>But yeah.. Privatisation (even partial) in the 90' and early 2000' was fucking stupid.

The problem with this argument is that RUAG was never privatized, not 1pc of it is in private hands.

>"Sie fasst die ehemaligen Rüstungsbetriebe des Bundes in einer privatrechtlichen Aktiengesellschaft zusammen, deren Aktien sich vollumfänglich im Eigentum der Schweizerischen Eidgenossenschaft befinden."

>>32792820
Jesus christ, you are literally the reason that we will end up losing our guns.

The exempt only applies TO THE FUCKING MILITIA.

Does NOT APPLY TO CIVILIANS.

Let me put this clearly:

>You are a soldier and you keep your Stgw 90 at home.

Exempted from the ban.

>You are a civilian not the in the militia or you finished the military service and are not in the militia anymore

Not exempted.

Basically, they WILL ban our guns, from the civilian population while letting CURRENT militia members keep the rifles OF THE GOVERNMENT.

>>32792883
You're talking about the old version, the one where it was specified that only the army is exempt. This one, the actual and voted one, exempt all civilians

Please fucking read before sperging out like that

>>32792903
link to that version?

>>32792903
Bullshit.

There's no such one where it exempts all civilians.

>>32792919
I've a link to a journal article talking about it but it's not in English nor German.

The law was voted Tuesday and will be applied in 2019

>>32792941
Sadly for you, yes

>>32792955
French or Italian or whatever, I can manage. Send away

>>32792955
No sources, does not exist.

>>32792965
https://www.letemps.ch/suisse/2016/12/20/lunion-europeenne-confirme-lexception-suisse-armes-feu?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=article

Here you go

>>32792987
WE ALREADY HAD THIS EXEMPTION! BUT NOW ITS IN CONDITION OF ADDITIONAL CHECK UPS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32792965
>>32792987
Though you still need to prove you shoot at least one day a year and are part of a club.

ProTell wants to do a referendum (and I agree) because it's still against our rules

>>32792987
>Les détenteurs d’armes, ex-professionnels ou simples tireurs devront en effet montrer, pour posséder ou acquérir ces armes, qu’ils appartiennent à un club sportif et tirent régulièrement depuis plus de douze mois. Il faudra aussi justifier une participation à des événements sportifs annuels, les autorités devant vérifier périodiquement que ces armes ne constituent pas un risque pour la sécurité publique. Les vétérans devront justifier de leur adhésion à un club de tir.

I know french and this basically means:

>Join a fucking club
>Participate in the said club every few weeks

Fuck off, it's still a ban on people that just want to own guns.

>>32792987
"Une petite note insérée au texte inscrit noir sur blanc le modèle suisse: les pays ayant une tradition de plus de 50 ans de conscription militaire et de transformation de ces armes en semi-automatiques bénéficieront en effet de dérogations pour la détention et l’acquisition de ces armes, moyennant toutefois quelques aménagements.

Les détenteurs d’armes, ex-professionnels ou simples tireurs devront en effet montrer, pour posséder ou acquérir ces armes, qu’ils appartiennent à un club sportif et tirent régulièrement depuis plus de douze mois. Il faudra aussi justifier une participation à des événements sportifs annuels, les autorités devant vérifier périodiquement que ces armes ne constituent pas un risque pour la sécurité publique. Les vétérans devront justifier de leur adhésion à un club de tir."

>What is reading comprehension

the article mensions nothing about models other than converted Stgw90, plus it adds a NEED clause, meaning that if you don't need a gun like that,you don't get to own one. It turns gun ownership into a privilege and it's still shit from a political standpoint. This Schengen shit needs to be voted out.

>>32793020
>>32792987

plus, THIS
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20170126BKG59909/revision-of-the-eu-firearms-directive-an-overview

is an article from yesterday. The only mention of Switzerland is:
"Switzerland: Language is introduced to cover the Swiss system based on general conscription which enables the transfer of military firearms to persons leaving the army. "

which means that what they did was akin to adapting their fucking semantics to our specific case.
Le Temps means fuck all when the confirmation comes from the EU itself.

>>32791627
RUAG guys are bro-tier, LBA guys are lazy fucks

>>32791654
nope, that's the hull of either a Pz 61 or 68

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>>32792903
>>32792883
no matter what, as soon as the EU trys to ban my guns i'll sign any referendum stopping that, and so should you

>>32793112
This and also the SVP initiative to place Swiss law above EU law.

>>32793385
>>32793112
It will never pass.

NEVER.

Our gov already showed that they fear the EU and will gladly spread their asses and ignore the will of the people.

They will begin with an intensive campaign to make the average non gun owner afraid of losing their quality of life or job due to a "few crazy gun owners".

Why the fuck do you think that they kept mentioned that pea shooter that the muslim terrorirst bought in Switzerland? Why the fuck do you think they keep showing gun ownership rates that are totally false by implying that we have so few gun owners?

They are doing this to make us think that:

>We are very few
>We are holding their quality of life hostage by clinging to our guns

What do you think will happen?

>>32793571
who cares what they'll do? It's a matter of principle: we vote for those initiatives whether they have a hope to pass or not. It's the way we fight our battles: you can't just not fight and expect to win.

>>32793629
Well, then. Be prepared to give up our gun culture and our guns.

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>>32793636
Defaitist

>>32793636
"if we stay quiet and let them strip our rights away, maybe they will stop at that; if we don't, who knows what they will come up with to fuck us over!"

That's what your argument is. Stop cowering behind your mother's skirt and fearing big papa government, you fucking faggot.
You fight this battle by making gun culture more and more mainstream, by converting people to our cause before the referendum even takes place. Act instead of just pissing yourself into silence, for fuck's sake. Yours is exactly the mentality that causes us to lose our independence to the EU.

We Swiss are supposed to be fucking warriors. Is this what we've been reduced to?

>>32793666
Really, I thought you were meant to be mountain kikes that were too greedy and cowardly to pick a side

>>32793684
>either completely historically illiterate or a troll

thanks for the bump, friendo :^)

>>32793706
>We fought the HRE 500 years ago and haven't done shit but cower and horde gold since
>We have a shitty milita, we're totally hardcore warriors

>>32793769
>what is the Dying Lion
>what are the countless FFL members
>what are the fugitives who fought in the spanish Civil War by principle alone
>what are the modern mercenaries we keep "losing track of" just before they leave

True, we do have lots of faggots, but many of us actually believe in tradition.

>>32794073
Just like any other country then?
What has Switzerland done in the last 1-200 years that isn't cowering in mountains and hording gold like kikes?

>>32788621
Was the SG 550 handmade or something?

>>32793002
>>32793020
Not the guy but it's already like that in Geneva

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>>32793636
There is a solution for people like you

>>32794128
>What has Switzerland done in the last 1-200 years that isn't cowering in mountains and hording gold like kikes?
Well.. Having enough money to buy your mom's niggress fatburger ass. And half of the women from your immigrant-nation