FoTay Club

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>>32787178
Why be a hater when you can have both 9 and .40?

>>32787178
I don't cc it, but by sig 229 .40 is the best damn gun I've ever shot. Nothing comes close in accuracy and reliability.

>>32787232
My hk p2000sk is still a VERY nice gun though, and by choice for cc. 9mm though.

>>32787178
is it worth buying an FNS-40? whats your experience

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>>32787256
I unboxed it like 3 hours ago, but so far it's up to the same standard of quality as my FNS-9c FNS-9 & FNS-9L, so excellent, I expect no problems, I have a huge hard on for the FNS series, I won't rant but my experience has been excellent.

It's the Long slide model and I think it's the most aesthetic of all I have, the 9mm longslide tapers down, with the bigger barrel/slide there's almost no taper on the 40L

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what would be a good .40 to get? Do we have a list of /k/ approved .40s like we do other calibers?
I already have the basics, a few 9mms, .45s even .32s
I want a .40

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Yaaay .40's

I love it when 9mm users shoot it for the first time and they think it's a SR9c instead.

>>32787379
I am of the opinion that the USP is the master race of .40s. I understand that the M&P .40 is quite good. I am >>32787222, and I have had nothing but good experiences with my Beretta 96, though some other people have complained to me about the recoil impulse. Have you looked into .40 1911s?

>>32787379
Most of the models that are available in 9 are just as good in 40, some folks say to pick a model that was designed initially for 40, like the usp, or a more modern platform, like the SIGS/FNs/Glocks etc etc (newer gens) that have taken into consideration the violence of the cartridge.

That said, if you want a 40 that is a model ORIGINALLY designed for 9 don't get too scared, the amount of rounds you will most likely need to run through the gun to damage it equals a financial cost so large a $20 part to a $500 new gun basically equals jack shit.

>>32787451
(newer guns) was supposed to reference glocks aka to avoid 40S&W from the grenade generations.

>>32787379
the approved .40 list is pretty short because most of them are 9mm's with larger barrels. The ones built for .40 are something like:

USP
Beretta 96
SR40
FNS-40(?)
a SIG something
and about 5 others I'm flaking on

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So all of my local pawnshops and gun stores have an abundance of cheap .40 full size hand guns, from Sig2022's to M&P's to Walthers that are in great condition.

Unfortunately being newer to guns I can't bring myself to pick up one over a new full size 9mm thanks to /k/'s hate for the .40 and the stigma added to them

Halp me pls

>People using fourtay when .357 Sig is a thing.
Why?

>>32787482
Hey one that converts easily. The Beretta 96 converts with a barrel swap, Glocks and M&Ps are both easily converted, but I think they need a different recoil spring. Be aware that H&K .40 and 9 slides are significantly different. I don't know about SIGs.

Or, maybe, don't put so much emphasis on the opinions of some people on /k/. Do what you want to.

>>32787479
Can confirm the FNS-40 is build for the cartridge and not an afterthought.

>>32787504
Because 40S&W shoots light and fast loads just as good and doesn't have a necked down case and cost a billion dollars to shoot.

>>32787482
I love both cartridges, I CC a 9 and HD with a 40.

I will say this, if you become a shooter's shooter, hitting the range regularly - the cost of ammo will FAR outweighs the initial buy in of the gun.

If you are a filthy casual who's also CHEAP, then yeah go that route.

That said get a 40 down the road because remember - the FBI has different objectives, standards, policies and situations to face than you do, bureaucracies very often make the cheap and easy choice than justify it later. Not saying they are wrong or lying, I'm just suggesting you research and think for your self and choose appropriately based off of YOUR lifestyle needs or desires.

>>32787517
I need to look into conversions for diff models then.

And you're right, but I want to learn as much as I can and make smart decisions with the money I save to spend on guns.

>>32787379
in my experience, the heavier and beefier the gun is the better it handles .40, But thats really if you believe in the "snap" which I do
the USP, sig p226/229, jericho 941 were my favorites. the glock 23 was my least and the M&P im undecided. I think it was btter than the glock but that doesnt mean its good. Id avoid polymer and stick to steel or aluminum though I do want to try a few more. Id really like to see how a beretta storm, sig p320 and beretta 96 feel

>>32787609
I have an XDS in 9mm for CC. My main reason for sticking with a 9mm as a HD/Full size is mainly so I can stock up on as few calibers as possible. I have something like 500 rounds of 9mm, a little.over 100 rounds of 12ga birdshot for my shotguns, some slugs and 50 buckshot.

I do the know if I want to commit to getting another new caliber into the mix right now. And if I'll be alright with it.

I bought a police trade in P229 in .40 from my LGS on a whim for about $325. It was the best of the 4 they had and not a whole ton of wear. I was going to do a 9mm conversion barrel for shits and gigs but decided to shoot it as a .40 for a while and man is it a sweet, smooth shooter. I shoot it much better than my G19. I shoot the piss out of it when I get the chance and it's also my bedside gun.

>>32787178
I always wanted to get a Jericho in .40 so i could convert it to 10mm
Apparently thats impossible, but you can convert a .40 USP
I love my 9mm USP compact, so thats my plan
I still want a Jericho in .40 tho

>>32787718
My love of 40 is because I don't dismiss energy and efficiency as the current mantra of the community suggests. If all that mattered was penetration wouldn't we all rock fmj high capacity .380s? More energy is better, break shit apart more, crush more tissue, fragment more bone, more force, more trauma, more shock. The new loads I have on the way gotta be around 530 ft/lbs at the muzzle with a 5" barrel. Not insane I know, I'll get some buffalo bore +p 40 S&W down the road

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My HD gun.

>>32787348
Not dick riding... But:
I have a FNX40 and the fns9 and FNS40. The complete upper on the fns series is interchangable between the lowers, assuming same length barrel.
Sub 400.00 on some FNS40 models right now.

I wonder if the FNX is the same. I love FNH's pistols. Great well built accurate gun.

>>32787504
Poorfags, poorfags everywhere

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>>32788033
Yes sir the whole line was planned simultaneously.
You can tell how the guns were designed for 40 then "built down" to 9x19 as the 40 s&w slide is flush with the frame vs stepped down with the 9.

>>32787926
I may get one after I get a full size 9mm. I'll find a cheaper police trade in sometime. Can't help to have more experience with different calibers

The USP is top tier .40; my favorite handgun at the moment.

The Glock 22 Gen4 is pretty good, too. Shot one, don't own one. The dual spring helps tame the recoil impulse and it feels more like a gun 'designed for .40' than the Gen3. I might get a Glock 31 Gen4 though, just to see what owning a Glock is like.

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>>32787504
The same reason 10mm is still in a niche market. It is overkill for most SD situations, expensive, has unpleasant recoil and blast to most people, and has a bad habit of cracking frames and slides. The M&P's chambered in it lasted about 1000 rounds before being recalled. I'd still only trust the SIGs with it until someone else releases a better pistol for it. Or a carbine, which would kick ass.

>>32787397
40 definitely has the allure of a "modern magnum"

now mind you 9 and 45 fags will tell you either A) lol it's no magnum or B) lol it's so snappy and kicks so hard too hard to control

Sounds like the glass is always half empty on the poor 40, in the mobs opinion at least.

>>32788428
It's just really good at handling recoil. Defensive loads do pack a punch though and have noticeable muzzle flip but it's still reasonably controllable with rapid fire. I would hate shooting .40 out of a LCP though. I don't have a glowing opinion of .45's so it's their right, but they are really vocal about it now for some reason.

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>>32787639
I agree with this and not to shill but this FNS-40l barrel is fucking beefy - it's profile is tight but the weight man, it's got that "40S&W" frame feel.

Not even joking, half the handguns on armslist are .40s. Sorry boys but the FBI birthed and killed your cartridge

>>32788341
Baltimore PD has been using long slide FNS-40s since like 2011, only thing negative I've found in my scouring research was a news report of one going off, while holstered, while the person in question had both hands occupied....basically it peters out after that because mechanically what is suggested is impossible and it's kinda clear the guy desk popped, other than that publicity fiasco 100% success rate, Phoenix PD and a few other PDs are for some reason liking the FNS-40L (long slide) and adopting it recently. No idea with the 40L turns cops on but it does, maybe FN is giving them away. Try to buy a FNS-40L with stock nightsights as a non LEO

That's why I bought mine and put a streamlight on it, my safariland lvl III retention holster should be here tomorrow. It's my Baltimore PD role play build, minus factory nightsights

>>32788614
lol I own 7 9mms, doesn't mean 40 isn't an ass kicking motherfucker who is here to stay. The fallout from the FBI report is over, shitloads of PDs and folks still use 40 and plan to in the future, have fun not being able to kill people with point blank headshots 9millimemerfag

>>32788686
Everyone like the L version because theres some new fad among handguns that the basic version has some absurdly short barrel, even in the full size. See FNS and P30

>>32787222
God you're an idiot. You realize it's a crime to scratch out the serial number, right?

>>32788744
Agree with the P30, that's why I bought it in L. But the standard FNS is 4" dead on, which is basically the median. The cops hard on for 5" FNS 40s is still not quantified.

>>32787256
I have an FNS in both the full size and compact size. Both kick ass. Daily CC the compact.

>>32787718
I want to challenge you to address you hording standards.

So my break down is such: the ammo you need to horde is the stuff unavailable post collapse of the world.

Horde 1 or 2 different cartridges for the rifles you want to work like that, combo survival defense/offense what not.

Now, handguns are for the civilized world, for the most part, if you need new SD ammo you could probably get it.

That said even FURTHER, this is a reason I love 40. It's naturally truncated, it has a semi wad cutter profile by nature, out of the 3 major FMJs the 40 is the most terrifying.

So, if you are a lazy and poor handgun guy, buying a couple cases of FMJ 40 S&W is a pretty great compromise, and I trust the truncated semi wad cutter FMJ 40 more than the round nose 45

What is a good .40S&W+P loading for wilderness defense? People say that 10mm isn't too much different from .40+P, but the problem is that no manufacturers seem to make .40+P due to notorious issues with exploding Glocks. I've only found Buffalo Bore and their heaviest loading is with a 180 grain bullet.

I have a USP40 Compact and supposedly they are rated for +P, but there's not many options out there.

>>32790125
BB has 200 grain loadings I think? Other than that hand loads or hope there's a bigger autistic anon lurking.

>>32787504
357 are better for full sized pistol.
40 is good in both short and long bbl.

380 and 45 ACP BTFO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i22-nMxnHrE&feature=youtu.be

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It is sad that the OEM Glock 22 big stick is gimped compared to the 9mm.

>>32790566
That's because it would be a different length you mother fucking

COCK.

SNORKELER.

>>32790566
Is glock autistic? Does the "big picture" measurement of equal quantity hold no weight to the need for a proportionally acute relationship of numbers?

>>32790631
>"big picture" measurement of equal quantity
>weight to the need for a proportionally acute relationship of numbers
Are you talking about the capacity indicator holes?

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6 am on the east coast, save this thread guys

>>32788810
Yeah, now I have to torch cut the .jpg to lawfully destroy it. Oh well.

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Energy matters folks

>>32792316
Cant tell if shot with .40 or shot a .40

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>>32793362
bretty gud anon, bretty gud

>>32788027
>HD gun
>no flashlight

Pick one

>>32793623
Did you even read how you worded that?

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>>32793623

>wanting giant "here I am" beam coming from your gun

Learn the layout of your house, dude

>>32794063
1. Learn to use a light properly
2. I see you live alone

>>32788810
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Paint

This was invented a while ago grandpa.

>>32793623
they make flashlights that aren't attached to the frame, they're very useful and easy to use with a pistol.

>>32794063
>he doesn't know anything about low light / no light shooting

>>32787178
i've read a lot about the .40 and it seems pretty good on paper, it's the "best of both worlds" in a sense between the 9mm and .45, but i'm still sort of looking for more power. is there anything you can think of that shoots almost totally flat all the way out to 100 yards and still has the same energy of a .45 ACP at the muzzle around that far or beyond that? hmm

>>32794398
That's 10mm youre thinking of

>>32794398
40S&W loads typically have more energy than .45ACP, what's this middle of the road shit? .40S&W is a drag racer, 9x19 is Power Wheels and .45 is a tugboat

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DERIVERY

The UPS guy who brings this shit to my work thinks I'm insane.

Look at all that hotness

I've been gone a while. Is this thread a joke/irony thread? Surely no one actually still believes 40 short&weak is a superior self defence round to 9mm, right? They are basicly identical in tissue but the 40 is less controlable and takes more room in the mag.

please tell me its an ironic thread.

>>32794398
A rifle round. Failing that, 357 sig (40 short&weak necked down to 9mm)

>>32795215
fuck off moron

>>32787245
They are surprisingly soft to shoot in .40

>>32787178

I have a bunch of 40's, mostly because I'm older than a lot of /k, and was actually legal to buy guns when 40 was the best bullet in the world, and 9mm was "good for beginners and women".

It's one of those things that really makes me worry for America. I think 9mm is fine. It is cheaper and I own a a bunch of them, but the rampant fear of recoil concerns me.

I grew up when shooters actually liked the idea of getting their hands on a big ass gun and fucking exerting their will and skill to control it.

Now, it's all COD kiddies that literally shriek at the idea of any extra recoil, but cowardly hide behind the idea that they are being more effective and ready for "combat".

Honestly, if your accuracy and time drops dramatically when you shoot a 40, then the issue is you.

9memememers need to look in the mirror, and start blaming their shortcomings on themselves, and stop blaming a bullet that isn't totally dependent on

>muh cherry picked ammo that works great
>3 round fired in 1.6 seconds vs 1.8
>muh cheaper ammo

40 is effective in a hollowpoint, but still useful if it fails to open (unlike 9mm).

Penetrates nice and deep, including cover

More energy, one could almost say it's high energy compared to low energy Jeb...I mean 9mm

In short, 9mm vs 40 is basically comparing a Honda civic to Honda Accord. Anyone that says the Accord has too much power, and is too gas inefficient would be laughed at, and rightfully so.

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>>32795129
A fucking rainbow should shoot out every time you open it.

>>32795404

But haven't you heard? A draconian agency released an OpEd piece written by bean counters to justify cutting their training and equipment budget. Therefor energy is irrelevant and penetration is everything and the only thing.

Still waiting for them hi capacity FMJ .32 ACP auto loaders to come out, they're gonna be the most deadly gun in the world.

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>>32787178
I wish FN had made conversion kits

http://www.impactguns.com/fnh-usa-fns-940-combo-9mm-luger40-smith-wesson-4in-barrels-black-17rd-9mm-luger-14rd-40-smith-wess.aspx

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I love my Glock 23 Gen 3.

I run it with a g19 ejector and it functions 100% on both .40 and 9mm with just a barrel/mag swap.

>>32795525
Speaking of that, so all my FNS-40L slides are marked .357SIG/.40S&W Anyone have a time frame for the .357 release?

>>32795536
Fucking brain fart, not slides, Magazines

>>32795536
apparently EFK makes .357 conversion barrels know idea when FN is going to release their own

>>32795536
http://www.efkfiredragon.com/fn-fnp.html

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>>32795129
I'm going to jungle stack these with Bonded Golden Sabers every third shot because I'm looking forward to a super cringey explanation to my lawyer.

>>32795626
How many rounds did you order?

>>32795807
I grabbed (120) 165 JHP, (60) 140 DPX and 1k of LAX factory new ball for shits.

I probably should have grabbed another box or two of DPX for feed tests but god DAMN 1.50 a round is a lot.

>>32795404
Its not a fear of recoil. Once they hit flesh, blood, organs and bones, they perform nearly identically, assuming you're using good quality modern defence ammo. Why have a harder recoiling weapon that in a tense moment would be harder to control (read:, longer split times and more misses), that has a lower mag cap, that makes more muzzle flash in the dark, that performs IDENTICALLY to a round that is superior in every metric but "muzzle energy"?

You are blurring the line between "fun paper killer" and "im going to use this to take a life in defence of my own". 200ms longer split times at a range mean a LOT in a real fight.

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>>32787379

If you really get a hair in your ass get yourself a 10mm glock and then either shoot .40 out of the 10mm barrel or buy a .40 conversion barrel (either works but the .40 gives you 'peace of mind).

The 10mm glocks have bigger, heavier slides and frames, so they soak up .40 recoil very nicely. Lot of competition guys do this.

>>32796590
> they perform nearly identically
If by nearly identically you mean the 40 crushes more tissue, shatter larger pieces of bone and flings them out to crush more tissue, hit more more measurable energy which results in more trauma to flesh, organs and load bearing bones.
But sure, other than the 40 physically causing more damage to the matter it impacts they are identical.

>>32796678
This is really sound advice.

>>32792316
is he okay?

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>>32796678
>40 out a 10mm barrel

>>32797596
It works fine, seriously a local nut I shoot with does this. My gut tells me it wears the bore excessively, but I guarantee you save enough on ammo to justify it 10x over. I call this guy a nut because he also makes "hot glue" bullets in his cast lead mold then loads just a primer and target practices in his house. Not enough energy to cycle the slide though.

>>32797596

It's perfectly safe to do.

The one thing you might want to do is clean the chamber extra carefully after firing a lot of .40 through it and before going back to 10mm.

There could be some carbon buildup at the back of the chamber, but you should be cleaning your guns regularly anyway.

>>32797622
headspacing, bruh. it's like you are trying to deliberately murder your extractor. Also if a 40 ever indexes properly in a 10mm barrel, there will still be enough room for a reliable primer strike leading to a primer blowout, something more likely to happen if you hatefuck your extractor too much

>>32797699

This addresses all of your points and more.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/jeremy-s/40-in-a-10mm-glock/

>>32797724
>glocks are built like brick shit-houses, more at 10

>>32797699
I'm sure it does wear parts of the gun faster, but once again, I'm sure he saves enough money on ammo to just straight up replace the gun 10x over if he wanted to.

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>>32797724
>>32797652

I tried firing 40 cal through my glock 40 (10mm) and it didnt fire reliably, every few bullets i guess the firing pin didnt reach the primer or something? It was shitty aluminum ammo

>>32798180

I wonder if the extra weight of the slide is a factor here.

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>>32794063
Only someone who likes 40 shit and weak would say something this dumb

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>>32798180
Curious, I wonder if it's reliable with brass? My buddy shot brass.

>>32798318
I am sure that it runs fine for you and all, but that amount of frame deformation gives me the creeps. Do you find that it varies with temperature?

>>32787379
lots of police trade ins to pic from. glocks, sigs, M&Ps all for decent prices now that .40 isnt as popular. Once the FBI makes the switch id image they will be even cheaper
and I like .40 so im just waiting

>>32798845
the .40 dump has petered out, we are in the new reality. PDs are still heavily divided.

>>32801418
yummy

>>32797724
I've put a lot of .40 and 10mm through my 20 and 29 and never had any issues. Chamber looks fine too.

I've noticed that some store bought 10mm has short, out of spec cases, so even those are headspacing on the extractor.