SCAR-L vs SR-15 MOD 2

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>>32785892
>reciprocating charging handle is annoying and causes malfunctions
yeah just like AKs

As far as the kac goes, they are great ARs
you will replace the flash hider and no, they are not the lightest ARs, they are average
(yes, my optic is in the mail)

>>32785892
>garbage stock
How do you figure? It has an aluminum reinforcement rod in it, the frail stock thing is a rumor from angry poorfags.
>lower breaks
Source?
A2 grip a shit though, you'll probably want to replace that garbage.
And the selectors kinda suck, Magpul ones are better and like $30
The KAC should also come with a 4.5 2 stage trigger while the 16s has a normal milspec 2 stage. The KAC trigger I had still felt like shit anyway though so I'd replace them both with Geisselle

>>32786421
>Source?
arfcom. don't have the thread right now.

Breakage seems common for being a meme desu.

Good point about the trigger. I didn't think of that. That's more cash into the SCAR. Which selectors are bad? SCAR?

>>32785892
You're going to leave a $2,700 SCAR in your truck? You're retarded, don't think that because something's in a glass box it's secure.

If that's the role you're going for an AR isn't a good option either. In summer conditions lubricants can evaporate, in winter it can gunk up. The memes of unreliability aren't as exaggerated as some say, but it's not a set it and forget it gun. You'd have to maintain it once a month or so.

Best thing for a truck gun is an AK (or VZ if you have more class). They run dry with no hiccups and will penetrate vehicle cover better (I assume your vehicle will be around other vehicles if you ever do have to use your vehicle gun). Most of the ammo is also made with adverse weather and long term storage in mind, with sealed primers and casings. I'm not going to say if you grab the AR it's going to jam like they did in Vietnam, but the AK is one of those guns that goes bang every time you shoot it and I swear to god if someone posts that video of the douche shoving clay into the action... He's not storing it in clay, the AR has the same issues if you run it without lube and that's a bigger concern.

>>32785892
Piston is only awful in an AR. The SCAR is designed for it. The ACR stock isnt as good, most people who put it on, take it off. The boot is based as fuck.

You can get an SR15 in shelfmod if you like

>>32786689
The trigger is slightly worse than the SSAE, it's a little bit more travel in the 2nd stage
it's not worth a $200 replacement
the kac selectors are fine
if you want the scar, you will pay the snowflake pricetag
the sr-15 is expensive, but it's still an AR
total package wise, you are getting more upgrades going with the SR-15
However, if you want it over a nice DD or custom build is still in question
If you have the budget to afford the scar and get the upgrades, go with the scar, but be realistic in what you are buying

>>32786689
Copy + pasted from a while ago sans pic
This is what I meant by misinformation and ill-informed opinions.

First off, the SCAR stock may feel loose and "flimsy" compared to other stocks. But what you can't feel or see is the solid aluminum internal skeleton (pic related) providing more strength and durability than any other polymer or AR design. The SCAR stock passed SOCOM's repeated drop testing which is a lot more than even most AR stocks can claim.

Secondly, the "SCAR stock's break" myth has been perpetuated by an incident back many years ago in which a grand total of 12 stock latches were broken during shipping from the factory to distributors. At that time SCAR stocks featured a black stock latch button (pic also related) that was not fully radiused where the teeth are. If you slamed the stock shut repeatedly there was potential for those teeth to shear off. FN took the input of end users and introduces a new stock latch button that solves that problem as well as an additional leaf spring to mitigate "stock rattle" that some people were autismo9000 about.

TL;DR; SCAR stocks never had an issue with breaking, but some stock latches did. The good news is FN fixed them and the gun doesn't even need a stock to work.

SCAR selectors suck. Cheap fix though.

>>32785892
>Getting a scar not in .308
>leaving it in your vehicle
well you sound like a retard, so whatever you get i hope its gets stolen and used in a crime

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>>32787006
>parking your car in a crime ridden area

>>32787019
>Crime stays in one area
If someone can see you have a scar in your vehicle and knows what it is they might steal it
Mexicans might just steal your truck

>>32787075
Why are you assuming that the firearm would be visible? Not to mention not everyone is you, some people place less value on $3000 or whatever for a fully kitted out rifle than not having a quality firearm at hand.

>>32785892
Get a Mod 2 KeyMod rifle and then put a URX 3.1 on it.

>>32787122
I thought about selling my urx 4 but it hasn't given me any issues, so I think I'm just gonna keep it or re-purpose it for an SPR build later

>>32785892
SR-15 Mod 2

Non .308 SCAR is a meme.

>>32787138
I just think the URX 3.1 is more Gucci and KM is kind of fugly. The URX 4 MLOK rail is fine, but they got rid of the 200 dollar KAC LMT SOPMOD stock for a shitty 50 dollar Magpul.

>>32787198
when I bought the rifle, it was $500 of value to just buy the keymod
(price+stock difference)
yes, it's fugly, but it works very well

>>32787257
I'm sure it works fine. Really the 500 dollars worth of extra parts on the rifle makes the SR-15 a screaming deal, which I can't say for the MLOK model as readily.

>>32787301
mloks can be had for 2k now
the LMTs look good but after using the magpul, it's not half bad
the sr-15 gets a bad rap for gucci but in reality it's not THAT expensive once you count in all the features you get

>>32785892

SR-15? Just buy a cheap AR. It's just as good.

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>>32785892
scar by a fucking mile

its the only gun that stands up to battlefield vegas relentless fullauto fire

the AR15s innevetible flaw is that it sheers bolts even with KACs fancy rounded proprietary bolt heads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PApRcRE-ft8

>>32787095
...and some people are fucking retards, what's your point?

Look, I'm not an *incredibly* wealthy man, but I have enough "I can just blow this" money laying around to buy 4-5 SCARs with optics on any given day for the fuck of it, as well as a good enough job to replace that money within months instead of years. I still would not fucking leave $3500 worth of easily stealable goods in a parked car as I went about my daily business. It's simply not a prudent decision.

Further, despite the horde of folks who will respond to this post claiming they make this or that amount of money, keep in mind that the vast majority of them are saying that they physically have $3000 in a bank account, not that they have $3000 they can go spend on a gun. They will anyway, of course, but these are the fuckwits who end up defaulting on mortgages and shit because they don't actually know the value of a dollar.

>>32785892
GAP-10 G2

Fuck the SR-25

>>32787684
if you are shooting 20k+ rounds in a year out of one rifle, you can afford to buy them both

>>32787811
That was a really autistic rant bud. You're not OP, your values aren't his. Nobody cares about your subjective opinions. Fuck off to reddit if you want everybody to agree with you

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>>32785892

ACR adapter is a meme.

It's one of the parts on the ACR that Magpul can't pass the blame onto Bushmaster for.

>>32787984
They're not "subjective opinions" and these aren't "value judgments." I can guarantee with 100% certainty OP doesn't have a steady occupation making >100k a year and therefore his finances are mathematically not in a position to be leaving a couple grand of gear in his car.

But nah man tell me more about how your operational readiness is important enough that all the people telling you to use a little common sense are actually secret assholes.

>>32788032
> t. poorfagius furiosius

>>32786817

can confirm stock is comfy as hell

>>32785892
>SCAR
The stock and the lower are far more robust than losers on the internet give credit for. The ACR stock isn't a phenomenal upgrade if you're talking about function, its really just a aesthetic upgrade if anything. Extended handguards are definitely nice to have if you're not a T Rex.

>SR15

Its a great AR. Poor fags everywhere will hate you because not only does your rifle cost 3x as much, its still an AR variant. A pretty lame note is that they don't pin their 14.5 uppers/rifles, so you'll have to deal with that if want shorter than 16"

Id get the SR15 if I were just because you seem assmad about the reciprocating CH on the 16S.

>>32787827
Try again.

>>32785892
>lower is shit tier and breaks in real world use
listen, if you're breaking fucking high density polymer lowers on your rifle, you need to stop using it as the fucking strike face on a hammer. This shit is retarded as fuck.

>>32788032
>Not having insurance

>>32786835
>total package wise, you are getting more upgrades going with the SR-15
really? I don't think so.

Both have rails, both can have trigger upgrades, and you're not replacing that fucking barrel on the SR15.

SCAR-H, not L. If you need to shoot at an indoor range where they get pissy about .308s, get a 5.56 conversion kit.

>>32787122
>put a URX 3.1 on it.
why? so you can buy the fucking wrench IN ADDITION to the rail? So you can fucking BLUE LOCTITE THE BARREL NUT? And you must think 2 piece rail add to structural strength, heh?

Bitch I have a URX3 on my home built SBR, and let me tell you, that rail is fucking dumb. Literally DUMB.

>>32786851
good to know, still fugly though imo
>>32787994
does kdg's mount fix the issue? I really prefer that look.

>>32787122
have you tested this? KAC originally said it couldn't be done but I've heard it both ways now. They might have said that just to not have to catalog another option. I actually prefer the OG URX 2 to all.

>>32788110
It's going to be a suppressed sbr.

>>32787827
>>32787177
>>32787006
>.308
this is a shorty truck gun retards

>>32787006
>>32787075
>>32787811
>>32788032
Are you a literal autistic? The box on my truck is ~$6500 empty not to mention the tools and accessories I need for the even more expensive welder or $300k tractors on the lot.

Fuck off neet and take your "advice" with you.

>>32788110
>assmad about the reciprocating CH on the 16S.

I do hate this desu. It seems like it would constantly fuck with chambering/unchambering a round while retrieving/storing the gun.

>>32788239
If you want an old school KAC AR15 with urx2 stylings, contact again at bolt carrier. He can make the magic happen

>>32786421
>A2 grip a shit though
Ill cut you

>>32788239
>It's going to be a suppressed sbr.
piston might be the wise choice here, even if it costs more

>>32786851
>>32786421
>>32786689
It's fine as long as you're not buttstroking motherfuckers. There's also this:
https://tangodown.com/shop/tangodown-fn-scar-aluminum-stock-latch/

I just put a UBRS on my SCAR.
Pretty sure just for lulz

>>32788262
it doesn't. Use one, you'll understand.

>>32788239

>does kdg's mount fix the issue? I really prefer that look

Of course not.

I have the SR-15 E3 and SCAR 16S. There really isn't anything one will do that the other won't. Both have largely the same drawbacks. The parts for the SR-15 aren't cheap if you're like me and you always want a back-up. The SCAR parts are expensive, too. The initial price tag for both is steep. Accuracy wise the SR-15 wins, but at this point we're splitting hairs. The SCAR 16S has an acceptable trigger, the SR-15 wins here. The SCAR 16S doesn't NEED a rail, but it helps. The SR-15 feels lighter, but I can't say it is with any certainty.

>>32788321
I have a Vltor adapter for my 17s,the boot is fine but having an Emod on there feels much nicer to me

>>32788262
AK->Reciprocating charging handle ->Fine
M1A->Reciprocating charging handle ->Fine
Sig55x-->Reciprocating charging handle ->Fine
AR180->->Reciprocating charging handle ->Fine
ARX100->Reciprocating charging handle ->Fine
Daewoo K2->Reciprocating charging handle ->Fine
Galil->Reciprocating charging handle ->Fine

Scar->Reciprocating charging handle ->MOTHERFUCKING RECIPROCATING HANDLE FUCKING SH...REEEEEEEEEE

>>32788262
It's never been an issue with mine. I don't know if it's the heavy bolt carrier, or the less aggressive cam path but it never gets hung up right out of battery.

>>32788449
Only time ive had that issue when when I had my thumb resting on the charging handle as I pulled the trigger.

>>32788406
they're mad they're too poor so they have to grasp at straws

all they have are nuggets so they have never even experienced a reciprocating handle

>>32788262

Then run it without one.

All you need is something to stick in the hole. (string, bullet tip) to charge it the first time. After that just use the bolt hold open.

>>32788530
I like the SCAR charging handle more than the AR t-rod piece of shit.

>>32786005
(inrangetv mud test goes here)

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>>32788558
How about an IRL med test

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>>32788155
>he doesn't use the completely polymer receiver as the MP7 as a striking object

Found the gay ass fucking pleb

>>32787006
This. If you leave guns in cars unattended and unsecured (the car, not the gun) then you should sell your guns.

>>32788569
bitch I'm gonna use my fucking balls to hammer my dick into your eye socket.

>>32788821
>abide by my paranoia or you shouldn't have the right to bear arms
kys

>>32791658
Anon clearly lives in a shitty apartment complex and has had his car broken into a number of times.

>>32791658
>it's paranoia to not leave your guns in unsecured places so criminals can't easily steal them
You retards will never learn.

>>32792117
>he thinks his 10ga (at best) chink steel "safe" is anything more than a glorified cabinet
>it's my fault other people commit crimes, if you'd been more inclusive and less racist this wouldn't have happened
>change your life to accommodate my shit opinions and thieves
>caring about a $4-5k gun when my truck has $30k+ worth of gear in it
nope.
>>32788545
that's impractical as fuck. this is supposed to replace a Ruger GSR I lost. it was too slow to get out readily and was too much gun for coyotes

>>32788375
how much weight does this add?

>>32785892
SCAR 16s is shit, the only SCAR you should get is the 17s

>>32792332
>he thinks his 10ga (at best) chink steel "safe" is anything more than a glorified cabinet
My cabinet is in my house, which you can't flatbed away.

Try harder. I don't care about the monetary value of the gun, I care about not being the person to arm criminals.

Rednecks, baka.

>>32792372

They're 80% the same rifle. Your fucking face is shit.

>>32792403
>recoil damper system for a semi auto 5.56 rifle

how much weak are you ? if it was full auto i would say yes, this is actually helpfull but for semi auto it's litterally a gimmick with no use

>>32792435
>recoil damper system

What the fuck are you even on about? Are you thinking of the APC-556? Because you're a fucking retarded faggot.

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Gucci build yucker yarr

>>32792469
>that rollmark
>Gucci

>>32792463
>he doesn't know
SCAR has no recoil thanks to it's design, just like the AK-107

except that this kind of stuff is only usefull for FA and will only fuck your accuracy for semi because you always expect the rifle to have recoil

you want a SCAR ? get a 17

>>32792485
>ultramatch lower
>not Gucci
Lel

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>>32792403
Nigger you are fucking stupid, the SCAR 16s isnt a major improvement over an m4/ar15, while the 17s can fill a modern battle rifle role. Also the only thing similar is the lower, yet still different. Different gas systems different recoil system, etc.

Pic related is best SCAR

>>32792497
>SCAR has no recoil

You're right, there's absolutely no physical recoil... when you're playing call of duty. Which is the closest you've ever come to actually firing one you fucking nigger faggot.

>>32785892
>all this concern about muh goochee and what people on 4chan think

what do you actually care about? price? weight? ease of aftermarket?

between the two, especially in 556, get the KAC

>>32792509
>he fell for it
lol
bet you buy his business training videos

>>32787897
This. Just buy both. You can also SELL either if you no longer love them.

Buy the SCAR. You want it more by the tone of the first post.

>>32792521
>Nigger you are fucking stupid

No you.

>the SCAR 16s isnt a major improvement over an m4/ar15

Subjective assertion. The SCAR brings a lot to the table over the base M4 whose lacking capability in specific areas necessitated the SCAR program to begin with.

>Also the only thing similar is the lower

Wrong. The SCAR 16/17 share over 80% parts commonality, that number is straight from FN.

>Different gas systems different recoil system, etc.

Same gas block, same barrel trunnion, same fire control parts, same on and on and on... Did you even know the SCAR 17 can take SCAR 16 barrels? The only parts exchanged in the Mk17 5.56mm conversion are the barrel, bolt carrier group and trigger module because the rifles are already so similar.

>Pic related is best SCAR

That's not a Mk20 you dingus.

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>>32785892
i love my SCAR honestly. I've never owned an SR15 but have had really nice AR15s and always preferred the SCAR. Still, I'm not going to tell you to get either one because I've never owned or shot an SR15 and am not sure how much different it is than the other high end ARs I may have had. I will just say that you definitely will like the SCAR.

>>32786817
it's pretty funny you say this because while I do like the ACR stock I was thinking about putting the boot back on it the other day.

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>>32792942
The ACR stock is fine, it's just not quite......

It is aesthetic as fuck though

>>32785892
Funny thing OP.

Last week, I had a SCAR 16s. This week, I have an SR15 mod 2. Sold the SCAR and bought the SR after making the same decision you're making now. And I don't regret it. Lemme tell you my findings.

Benefits of the SR:
Cheaper.
Great trigger from factory.
Lighter with better balance.
Sliiiightly better accuracy.
Softest 5.56 I've ever shot.
URX 4 is fabulous
More compatibility with AR stuff.

SCAR benefits:
Folding stock.
Theoretically more reliable (I think both are pretty much tanks and are unlikely to let you down)
Much better for SBR conversion.
Simpler mechanisms.

My conclusion was that the SR performs slightly better or comparably in almost every field. The SCAR system is great, but its benefits really only shine fully in .308. In 5.56, it doesn't have the weight, accuracy, or ergonomic benefits against competition. You wouldn't be doing poorly with either option, but if you could only have one, I'd lean slightly for the SR. If you really like SCAR aesthetic, go ahead. It isn't significantly lower in any regard.

>>32792985
Hrrrrnnnnnggggggg that SBR

>>32793021
I find the SCAR to have slightly better ergonomics. Slightly. But these are personal experiences.

>>32793035
SCAR is very bulky up front and has a very short handguard. I found you'd need an aftermarket rail to close the gap.

>>32793050
Bulky works for me, but an aftermarket handguard is almost a necessity. Recently swapped out to a KDG mrex. It's very nice

>>32793090
It works. The SCAR isn't bad ergonomically by any means. It just needs aftermarket improvements to get it on the same level as an AR for most folk.

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>>32793099
Absolutely it does.
But once you get it there......

>>32793225
Once you get it there, it's comparable.

Which is to say very good because the SR comes with a sopmod and URX, which are two of the comfiest AR parts.

>>32793348
UBR is a better stock, the lmt sopmod is okay, but I'm going to swap it out.

>>32793569
UBR is good too--got one on my lmt. Not a tremendous fan of only getting one cheekweld distance for a 5.56. I'm 6'5, so I like getting little more distance from the receiver if I'm just gonna use a red dot.

>>32792601
>The SCAR brings a lot to the table over the base M4 whose lacking capability in specific areas necessitated the SCAR program to begin with.
Like?

>>32792534
Who's? I just thought this was an sharp looking Ambi lower. Why are you such a faggot?

>>32793645
6'4" and I run nose to charging handle. I can see how if you don't, going a different way would be good

>>32793845
My arms are retardedly long. If I get too close, my elbow gets all chickenwinged.

>>32794017
I run the stock all the way out, face all the way forward.

>>32794188
That's what I do on my LMT. It's not awful, but the SOPMOD gives just a little more room.

>>32793707
reliability
durability
cheaper

>>32793707
>Like?

Like a high quality free floated hammer forged barrel, a monolithic rail, folding stock, OTB capability and an adjustable gas piston operating system tailor made for suppressed full auto fire through a short barrel including a bolt engineered not to crack or sheer lugs in under 6K rounds... something the Mk18 still experiences on the regular.

>>32794263
Depends on the Rifle
Depends on the Rifle
No.

>>32794415
a scar will last longer than an sr-15 bro
sorry to break it to you, I know you're fanboying pretty hard

>>32794415

The SCAR was purposely designed to be cheaper than an AR to manufacture. To that extent FN has wildly succeeded.

>>32794441
It's cheaper to manufacture. It's not cheaper to procure. Especially for civilian rifles.

>>32794473
this isn't a poorfag thread buddy

>>32794473

Are we debating the merits of the rifle or the negative balance of your bank account?

>>32794437
There isn't any evidence to suggest that. Last I checked, Haley ran an SR for 80k rounds. And there's plenty of tests where they go 20k+ without cleaning and still run.

If anyone's a fanboy, it's you. The SCAR is great, but it's not some unholy pinnacle of modern design. Other guns can compete at or above its capabilities.

Maybe not in 308, but in 5.56? Absolutely.

>>32794479
>>32794501
The argument is that it's cheaper, which is wrong for buyers. You literally just 180'd.

>>32794519
you're telling me he ran 80k rounds without replacing any parts?
that's called bullshit
a scar will run longer and cleaner than any AR
I didn't say it was an unholy pinnacle, I said it was superior in function to an SR-15
your rampant kacfagging is showing bro, you are in total denial

>>32794540
>which is wrong for buyers

You're just the wrong kind of buyer.

>>32794548
Basic parts replacement that you'd have to do on a SCAR as well.

Face it. You're just really mad that your gun isn't the best in the universe and that other rifles can be comparable. You haven't given any real evidence or justification for the SCAR besides conjecture.

There's a reason why the SCAR 16 isn't the choice of all trainers and special forces.

>>32794567
That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this site.

Conglaturations.

>>32794571
what basic parts replacement do you have on a SCAR other than a barrel that won't outlast an AR design?
please explain, I can't wait to hear your answer
I could care less what clamp and enforce light runs, you need to describe why you think a SCAR will go down before or at the same time that an ar will

>>32794601
Barrel and springs.

Those are the only parts his rifle needed replacing.

>>32794618
so you are telling me an sr-15 bolt survived 80,000 rounds?

>>32794589
>he doesn't understand .gov pricing and volume vastly differs from joe blow retail consumer

The SCAR is a relatively cheap gun to manufacture, that is indisputable and a positive attribute of its design.

The fact that FN would rather jew you out of all your shekels can not be argued as a reflection on the rifle itself.

>>32794626
That was his claim, yes. He may be misleading, but there is other evidence for the E3 bolt's strengths.

Regardless, SCAR bolts have sheared extractors at 20-30k.

Even KAC said their shit runs 30-40 suppressed SBR.

>>32794716
guess i made the right choice then

>>32794639
It matters for governments and civilians. You can't separate the intermediary. Buyers don't get to, so it affects their choice.

Yes, SCAR is cheaper to manufacture. No, it is not cheaper to field. The cost of fielding is the important one for a buyer.

>>32794750
>The cost of fielding is the important one for a buyer.

Which again depends entirely on the type of buyer.

Are you the procurement head of the Peruvian military searching for a new rifle with no preexisting logistical institutions dedicated to sustaining and training the AR platform? Then the SCAR makes pretty good financial sense. You'll probably get a sizable discount off MSRP too.

Are you faggot OP looking to make an individual purchase from a retail distributor? Then make up your own mind.

>>32794571
Trainers use what their clients most often use.
SF didn't go full SCAR because their free money spigot got turned off

>>32794263
>reliability
Why would it be any more reliable?
>durability
Why would it be any more durable?
>cheaper
Unfortunately doesn't apply to the 16S or 17S.
>>32794284
>Like a high quality free floated hammer forged barrel
Something the military has declined for ARs on several occasions. Free float exists on some ARs like the Mk12 and Mk18.
>a monolithic rail
All these years and I still can't figure out how this is a benefit to an end user.
>folding stock
Yea, it has a folding stock and the AR doesn't. I don't agree that it means anything, but I'll give you that one.
>OTB capability
You what? Did someone actually buy the HK marketing?
>an adjustable gas piston operating system tailor made for suppressed full auto fire through a short barrel
Yea, an adjustable gas block tends to help with blowback from a suppressed rifle. You can get adjustable gas blocks on ARs.
>including a bolt engineered not to crack or sheer lugs in under 6K rounds... something the Mk18 still experiences on the regular.
Proof? 6K is insanely low, even the DD overgassed Mk18s won't kill a bolt that quickly.

>>32794548
>that's called bullshit
No, it's not. There are at least 2 M16A1s out there that had run to 100k rounds on the original bolt and that's not the SR bolt.

>>32795508
Monorails up top make it easier to place optics and generally means a true free floated barrel. This is not a concern for an average infantryman

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>>32795508
>Why would it be any more reliable?

Because it was engineered specifically with that goal in mind.

>Something the military has declined for ARs on several occasions.

Because an ECP to the Colt TDP is a costly and time consuming venture. It's far easier to incorporate those requirements into an entirely new program of record, e.g. the M27.

>Free float exists on some ARs like the Mk12 and Mk18

But not on the M4A1, which the SCAR was developed as a replacement for.

>You can get adjustable gas blocks on ARs.

See above. You're now comparing current AR offerings against a design that has been essentially unchanged since 2004, that itself was proposed as a replacement for a rifle made in 1994. You can keep moving the goalposts to suit your own decisions, however the original comparison was between the Mk16 and equivalent era M4.

>Proof? 6K is insanely low

Gus Taylor's (CRANE) NDIA presentation is pretty explicit about it, pic related.

>>32795718
>Because it was engineered specifically with that goal in mind.
Huh? All guns intended for adoption by a military have reliability as a design goal.
>Because an ECP to the Colt TDP is a costly and time consuming venture. It's far easier to incorporate those requirements into an entirely new program of record, e.g. the M27.
I don't see what bureaucracy has to do with the AR-15, itself.
>But not on the M4A1, which the SCAR was developed as a replacement for.
And you're telling me that it's a physical impossibility to get a free floating rail installed on their rifles?
>See above. You're now comparing current AR offerings against a design that has been essentially unchanged since 2004, that itself was proposed as a replacement for a rifle made in 1994. You can keep moving the goalposts to suit your own decisions, however the original comparison was between the Mk16 and equivalent era M4.
More irrelevant bureaucracy.
>Gus Taylor's (CRANE) NDIA presentation is pretty explicit about it, pic related.
I don't know what the military is doing to their guns. It's very uncommon for bolts to be damaged at such a low amount of use. Maybe there's another factor at play for this failure than rounds fired.

>>32796094
>Huh? All guns intended for adoption by a military have reliability as a design goal.

And in this case, gun X was designed with the objective of being more reliable than gun Y.

>I don't see what bureaucracy has to do with the AR-15, itself.

It has to do with the M4 vs SCAR, which is what this discussion was about.

>More irrelevant bureaucracy.

More of you completely ignoring the context of this topic.

>I don't know what the military is doing to their guns. It's very uncommon for bolts to be damaged at such a low amount of use.

Did you ever consider the possibility that you're just flat out wrong and shitposting about something which you have literally zero credibility or subject matter expertise concerning? Because the numbers are right there in front of you, but go ahead and tell yourself whatever it takes to convince you the facts aren't what they are

>>32796259
All right, good talk.

>>32796094
You seem to be misconstruing the military procurement process for you firing up the PSA website

Different end users
Different maintenance costs
Different, well almost everything

>>32796094
>More irrelevant bureaucracy.
>irrelevant

listen you dumb shit. If you can't get your head around the concept of mass procurement, life cycle support, and logistics foot print, why the fuck are you talking about this topic?

Do us all a favor and just shut the fuck up.

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>>32785892

>Cons: piston

Congratulations on your first gun purchase.

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>>32785892
>Cons: piston, garbage stock would need an ACR adaptor, lower is shit tier and breaks in real world use, poorfags at the range, barrels are pricey, reciprocating charging handle is annoying and causes malfunctions, needs longer rail

This is all bait or you're completely retarded.

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>>32792601
>Wrong. The SCAR 16/17 share over 80% parts commonality, that number is straight from FN.
Might depend on your definition of "80%" but in my experience that statement is bullshit.

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>>32785892
Cz bren. Scar but without all the scar problematic bullshit. Almost half the cost. Poorfags will still know you're better than them. It's the obvious choice anon.

The SCAR-L is the worst version of an overpriced Meme gun.

The KAC SR-15 is the best iteration of the world's most dominant firearm design.

>>32802185
The BREN is the poster child for problems with poor engineering models in modern rifles. CZ wanted to make a imtotallynotascar and not do actual testing, just go from proe to production.

>>32792485
I'm curious, what constitutes as gucci rollmark?

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>>32800671

And in my experience your whole post is bulshit.

% Parts commonality = (Total Common Parts / (Total Specific + Common Parts)) x 100

>>32799963
Who was ever talking about any of that shit?

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>>32802185


>d-don't the real thing, buy the czech knock off.

If you are spending $1800 you obviously aren't a poorfag, might as well just shell out the rest for the real deal

>>32802185
>DOA piece of shit that was already obsolete with a redesign before it hit the US market
You've got to be joking

>>32803613
This. I would an 806, though.