carry ammo

>>32782948
Gold Dots for the past several years

>>32782963
im guessing 9?

I like 115 +P 9 DPX in 9 and 140 DPX in 40

>>32782977
nah, probably 5-6 years

>>32783035
no i mean 9mm?
kek

>>32783038
just fucking with you
9mm 124 gr +P

>>32783062
ahh ya got me anon, nice shit dude

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Old school OG Cor-Bon JHPs because they've been administrating dirt naps to confrontational bi-pedal hairless apes for 30 fucking years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCj4beM2inU&t=181s

Sig V-Crowns in .40
Hornady XTPs in .380
Gold Dots in 9mm
AJ when I'm scared

I keep a few speed loaders full of Critical Defense for HD but for the range, just whatever is cheapest. Generally Perfecta

>>32782948
I carry Hornady because that's all anybody carries around here. Complete BS but whatever. I dont' think it really matters. Otherwise my choices would be Ranger, Gold Dot and HST in that order.

>>32783157
ranger myself, it's more or less black talon

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>>32783143
>Perfecta for carry

>>32782948
HST in .45, Ranger T 124gr standard pressure in 9mm, and Lehigh Extreme Penetrator in .380.

Yes. In .45 I went from Glaser to Hydrashok to Gold Dot to HST. In 9mm I went from Hydrashok to Gold Dot to Ranger T in 9mm. Just got the .380 so that's all I've carried.

Not a CC gun but I carry a Super Redhawk out west as bear/cougar defense and carry my handgun hunting loads of hot but not nuclear 240gr XTP handloads.

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>>32783238
>Ranger T
Why not also HST for 9mm?

>>32783207
>Perfecta for range
Do you even into reading comprehension?

>>32783273
Because I dont want to carry +P because its a pocket rocket and when comparing standard pressure 124gr the Ranger T penetrates a bit better from my microscopic barrel.

>>32783301
I suppose this requires a bit more info.

124gr standard pressure Ranger T achieves 12.5" of penetration in bare gel from a 2" barrel. 124gr standard pressure HST achieves 10.8" from a 2" barrel, and thus fails to meet FBI minimum penetration requirements.

HST is a good round but it's intended for full size or mid size duty guns. While theoretically so is the Ranger T, something about its design isn't hurt as bad by the significantly lower velocities of very short barrels.

I might give Hornadys 115gr XTP load a try, they have one specifically for pocket autos. I've been very impressed with it in .44mag and .38 Super as a hunting round.

Used to be exclusively Prvi Partizan 124gr FMJ, but I've been experimenting with Ruger Polycase ARX lately. I'd like to get my hands on some Lehigh XP ammo as well.

I've got two major reasons for using this instead of JHP's. First and foremost, while my P38 is dead reliable (2000+rds w/ zero malfunctions) with round-nose bullets, the feed ramp geometry is such that it doesn't tend to like JHP ammo, though even that USUALLY feeds okay. Secondly, I personally value penetration over expansion, and don't really heed concerns of overpenetration. With or without JHP/frangible ammo, you still need to be aware of what's behind your target. I'd rather guarantee that my round is going to reach vitals, regardless of factors like fat and heavy clothing.

So far, I've been pretty pleased with the Polycase. I'm getting about 14-16in of penetration in clear ballistics gel (compared to 10-12in with FMJ), and it seems to feed reliably, though I've only fired 150rds so far. Next time I go to the range, I want to test it against barrier penetration and denim.

Not that it's hugely relevant, but the fact that it's both leadless and frangible on steel targets is a nice bonus. Feels like it shoots a little softer, too.


I wouldn't necessarily recommend this over Speer Gold Dot or Federal HST, but for my weird set of needs, it works. Besides, I'm the sort of autistic dumbass that carries a P38. You probably shouldn't be listening to me for advice anyway.

>>32782948
Usually standard pressure HSTs. Was carrying 115gr +p DPX and Gold Dots at various points aswell, but since switching to .45 I've gone back to HSTs for dat expansion and mass.

G19 w/124gr HSTs. Good bullet/performance and good prices on the 50rd boxes.

>>32783421
photo of p38 plox

>>32782948
9mm 115gr gold dots in cc
.40 165gr winchester white box hollow points for winter cc and home (keep it next to me at all times, so I can use it to get to my rifles and such.)

>>32783173
It's an improved black talon. Would you rather have a bullet from 1991 or a bullet from 2015? Bullet technology has drastically improved.
>45
Ranger T-series +p, double tap 185gr Speer BHP, Barnes xd-tac
>9mm
Corbon 115 DPX +p, double tap 125 bonded defense, Buffalo bore 148 JHP,
>357
Buffalo bore 125/158 +p HP, federal vital shock 180, civil defense 50gr, Winchester 38 special pdx1

I have a defense ammo addiction. Also I usually double or triple stack my mags with ammo. Or every other chamber in a wheel.

>>32783523
Why are the 115gr gold dot slugs so fucking long? Like, they make the bullet itself longer than a fucking .40 round.

Winchester DPX1

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>>32783495
I'm on my phone, but here's an old pic I took for an EDC thread. Still loaded with FMJ.

She's an AC43, marked as a Soviet capture but without any other evidence of that (recoil springs and locking block are still in the white). Bit of a weird carry gun, but I'd trust that old girl a hell of a lot farther than I would almost any modern pistol (barring something obscene like a Mk23).

>>32783731
i would kill for a p38/p38k

>>32783672
>Winchester DPX1
PDX1

DPX is copper.

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>>32783731

> anon walks to his car on a dark, windswept night
> suddenly, a wild dindu appears
> "Bix nood mufugguh! Gibsme dat fodem programz n sheeit!"
> anon freezes for a split second, then wheels and fires one perfectly placed shot from his P38 right between the dindu's eyes before clicking his heels together and giving a straight arm salute
> the entire incident is captured on CCTV
> the shoot is legal
> the DA refuses to bring charges
> the media goes apeshit
> BLM riots pop up all over America and are put down ruthlessly by police departments no longer afraid of DOJ reprisals
> thousands of dindus are killed or jailed
> anon drives around whistling Der Horst Wessel song for the rest of his life

Goddamn, this is my favorite fucking timeline.

>>32783786
I swear, I think I'm getting dyslexic as I get older.

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Seems like the Gold Dot is popular.
I'll probably buy some and run50rds through my gun to see how reliable it is.
I've been told to not use fmj target ammo when CC

>>32783782
My local gun shop has 7 P38, the prices are between 402 and 1,197 $.

>>32783782
A shooter-grade non-matching P38 isn't all that expensive, especially if it's post-war. P38k's are rare as fuck, but you can always pull a Leon Vulva and make your own. Just use a damn post-war commercial base gun. I recently saw a cut-down 480 Bubba Special and I died a little inside.
>>32783838
What's funny is I'm not even a wehraboo. I just like the gun. Fuck, if anything, I'm a swissfag.

>>32783913

> swissfag ventilates dindu
> picks up his watch
> fixes it
> drops a handful of chocolates on his chest
> leaves
> is found later in his impeccably decorated mountain fortress that takes a team of 500 FBI agents half a month and 18 bulldozers to breach

>>32783382
consistent penetration to ~11 inches wouldn't concern me in the slightest.

Hornady XTP 135gr pretty much because it's the heaviest JHP in 9mm I could find in local stores.

>>32783382
>>32783954
Just don't start a fight with a violent super human armed with a mini-14 while armed yourself with only your carry piece.

9mm +p arx

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>>32783838
>Not having the officer P-08 with Wehrmacht engraving.
>Not being noticed because of poorgun
>Never having genetically superior children with such a fraulein
>Still though starting that maybe worth it

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>>32783868
Go here http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
Pick a round that has the kind of performance you desire, try to account for barrel length discrepencies, the general rule of thumb is if you have a LONGER barrel than the one used for the test, your bullets will expand/fragment more and penetrate LESS overall. With a SHORTER barrel than the one used to test you will get deeper penetration and less expansion. DISCLAIMER: There are huge exceptions to this rule, a good example would be using ammo with a SHORTER barrel length than used for the test and now the HP cavity doesn't expand because of lack of energy and now your JHP is a FMJ and just slips through to insane depths.

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>>32783852
It's from all the drinking, trust me.

Ill just leave this here...

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

I like rip personally

>>32784221

..unironically?

>>32782948
I try to keep carry ammo around for every pistol I own, even the ones I would never dream of carrying. Does anyone else do this? In a similar vein, what do you guys think about expanding vs. non-expanding bullets in .32 acp?

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Any recommendations for 9x18 snackarov? The gun in question is a P64. I've heard buffalo bore is good for more anemic rounds but I don't know how true that is.

>>32784287
honestly both sound really good

but the first one that came to mind was non expanding

>G26
>147gr HST

Haven't thought about it much lately desu

>>32784132
Alcohol is a depressant drug, both literally and metaphorically.

It drains people of motivation.

>>32784365
not who you replied to, but for me after i wake up from a night of drinking i feel very happy
during and after, maybe because ive never had a hangover?

>>32784365
Horseshit. It was the only thinks that kept a bunch of us fueled enough to put an entire roll cage in my friends bronco in 48 hours so we could race in tuff trucks

>>32784365
For me I find it to be more of a distraction or a cop out than anything.

"What do you want to go do?"
"Idk lets grab a six pack"
>drinking six pack and talking about how boring life is

It doesn't affect my productivity all that much, but I figure why spend the money when I could be doing other things.

>>32784396
>>32784431
>>32784540
Sorry, I was speaking from the perspective of an alcoholic that has consumed 16 to 24 units of alcohol each day for the past 10 years.

>>32784585
Oh roger that. Yeah I'm not that bad. I got to a point where I did a 12 pack a day for a couple weeks but just decided I couldn't stand how I felt and how much I was spending.

>>32784585
My apologies. Lack of voice inflection over the internet led me to believe you were being condescending. I'm glad you made it through those years.

>>32784300
Buffalo Bore's take on expanding bullets for small calibers:

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=60

In this vein, they produce a hard-cast flat nose load that moves a bit quicker than run-of-the-mill snackarov loads. I do not own a P64, but my Bulg Mak seems to like them just fine. I think Underwood also makes a "defensive" oriented load for Maks, and I'm sure other specialty ammo companies do as well. Keep in mind that you're still going to have something closer to .380 in power than to 9x19, but as long as you're fine with that, I'd go the "heavy for caliber" route and pick up the more expensive stuff. Leave the Silver Bear for the range.

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>>32784652
Awesome, I really appreciate the info.

>>32784652

I totally agree on using flat nose for 380. I carry Browning BPT 380 which runs great in my Glock 42, but I'll probably try some of Buffalo Bore's harcast out.

>>32784652
I hate how, with the except of the barnes projectiles, they don't tell you what bullet they're using, plus no gel test data, plus the photo's aren't even accurate??!! Seems half assed.

wolf .45acp 230 grain fmj
they tend to make holes about as deadly as the expensive stuff

>>32783782
They're like $400 go buy one.

>>32782948
I carry a tokarev loaded with 75 grain incendiary/explosive projectiles

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Guys I just recently got my first handgun, XD-9, 4". I don't intend to concealed carryit, just learn to shoot on it and for home defense if necessary.

I'm still not sure what SD ammo to buy. I scoured through the 9mm luckgunner spreadsheet and shootthebull410's 9mm ammo quest videos. From those, Hornady Critical Defense FTX 115gr, Winchester Defend 147gr, Federal HST 124/147gr +P or standard pressure, and CorBon DPX 115gr seem like the most reliably and widest expanding without over/under penetrating for 9mm.

I know squat about 9mm loads so learn me a thing or two.

>>32786021
Don't stress too much about it. The JHPs on the market from known, respected manufacturers should all do what they say on the tin. They make holes in people.

>>32786021
These have good reviews:

Speer Gold Dot
Remington Golden Saber
Federal HST
Federal Tactical Bonded
Corbon DPX
Barnes TAC-XPD
Federal Micro HST
Winchester Ranger T-Series
Winchester PDX-1

>>32782948
9mm ball. Energy is a meme, shot placement and penetration are all that matter.

Critical duty +p 135gr

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>>32786986

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>>32782948
In my Glock 21 I go with 14 Speer Gold Dots for that reliable >9001 caliber expansion. That's been my go-to round since I bought the gun 6 years ago.
At work I'm limited to pocket carry though so more often than not I have 2 Hornady XTP .38 (non+P). I've changed that up quite a bit just because I had a hell of a time finding something that would stabilize and expand when fired from a 2.6" Derringer barrel.
Pic related.

>>32787002
Playing devils advocate - it's possible he carries a 4" barrel, I think that's the threshold where those fuckers (crit duty)expand - if you consider what horandy JHPs do to be "expanding", to me it's more like bending in half.
But hey even if he's carrying a sub 4" barrel - at least there won't be much of a difference in expansion!

>>32786021
Cor-Bon DPX +P for fast and light and 124/147 +P HSTs for heavy

>>32786021
>>32787130

Also the lucky gunner tests are from a 3.5" barrel so consider that too.

>>32785103
I use .45 FMJ for hog gettin. Hollow points just don't seem to get deep enough in the bastards to kill them.

>>32787152
I've noticed it's technically legal to hunt large game where I live with these hotter 45 loads, but your post is the first I'd ever seen of that. Any idea if taking does with a .45 would be ethical?

>>32787130
Holy shit I actually expanded the picture and those ARE expanded, lol they look just roughed up in the thumbnail.

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>>32787130
If someone wants a polymer tip round, I think Federal Guard Dog is more justifiable.

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>>32787002
>>32786986
>>32787272

>>32782948
Depends on the piece, really. For my .45 ACP, 10mm Auto, .45 Colt and .357 Magnum, across the board for serious go-fuck-yourself work, its the Hornady Critical Duty or Critical Defense as applicable. For the .50 AE, because Hornady doesn't make Critical Duty .50-caliber ammo, I go with the Hornady XTP Custom ammo.

>>32787289
Agreed I would feel more comfortable with that kind of load, although neither would be choice #1.

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>>32787303
>.45 ACP
>Hornady Critical Dut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8WNQxIjutc&t=149s

Accept no less than old school full power 357 magnum from a 4 inch barrel.

>>32787376
Huh. Well. That's certainly an interesting expansion pattern. Or lack thereof...

Impact and expansion aside, they feed well even in my stock 1911s, they never fail to ignite, and they seem to mean business without being uncontrollable.

>>32787418
Win. Ranger T and Fed. HST look impressive in 45.

>>32787217
It's ethical when they're fucking with your cattle. Neighbor killed one with a dirt bike and a screwdriver last year. It really doesn't matter what the law says when you've already dressed, cleaned, carved, and packed it before the cops get to you.
If you're getting them for sport a rifle is really a better choice. The boiler room is smaller than a deer's and the ribs don't just snap either.

>>32782948
For .40 swisher and welfare i use 180 grain Winchester train and defend(the defend line) because that projectile has descended from the black talon and ranger series rounds, which are wonderful rounds that reliably expand. For 9mm i have a bunch of 124 grain gold dots saved up, they're great too. For 9x18, i use 9x18 gold dot projectiles hand loaded.

>>32782948
Federal HST .45 230 grain hollow-points.

First I just carried ball ammo, like in the military, but then I thought that was stupid.

>>32784132
I don't drink

Never have.

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>>32787481

>.40 swisher and welfare

Odin give me strength

>>32787414
I would like to see a video with this:
357 Magnum 110 Grain Barnes TAC-XP Hollow Point

Ruger GP-100 4" bbl.
Muzzle Velocity: 1640 fps
Muzzle Energy: 657 ft. lbs.

S&W 686 6"bbl.
Muzzle Velocity: 1810 fps
Muzzle Energy: 800 ft. lbs.

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=303_331&product_id=387

>>32782948
147gr Gold Dots in a G19 and gold dots in my LCP

>>32787414
This is why I balk at the folks who say Cor-Bons traditional JHP line is not up to snuff because you get 9-14" depending on bullet weight and barrel. This is the kind of performance those loads in 9, 40 and 45 give, big as nasty cavity but on the shallow end.

No one challenges that .357 load to make you deader than dog shit, and the corbon jhps were in the middle of earning the same reputation when bigger more professional less mom and pop ammo makers stole the spot light.

>>32787699
Personally, I don't care for 110 grain loads. They never penetrate enough.

>>32787699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdnT2FceT68
It isn't a gel test, but it is the load you were looking for.

>>32787739
The old school loads still work as well as they did back in the day. In 9mm though there are better options. Literally nothing is better than Federal HSTs in 9mm. I would kill for a .357 magnum HST load, but until then i'll carry my old school SJHPs. I am pissed that they are making a 38 special load before my glorious magnum!

>>32787699
hnnnnnnnnnggggggg those numbers are sexy

>>32787750
>110 grain loads. They never penetrate enough.
It has a moderate expansion of 0.55" and 0% fragmentation, so I think it is realistic when the manufacture mentions 13" penetration.

>>32783943
not-p38-chan
my aesthetic is chocolates, watches, and mountain fortresses
fugg, I'm swiss

>>32787822
I would never balk at an HST, and that's the load I recommend to everyone irl who asks about SD ammo.

My personal thought is still to the huge dump of traumatic energy and a shorter depth. I swear if that FBI shooting had never happened this ballistic methodology would be prevalent. Mattex or whatever took a fucking high brass 00 from 15 yards TO THE HEAD and continued to function. Yet somehow out of all this nonsense a little old 9x19 fmj who tried so hard to fly through barriers and bones and body got blamed as the failure and reinvented our understanding of incapacitating humans. It went from a reality of blood loss or brain shots to a "you might at one point need to make this absurdly unconventional shot and by sheer luck hit a target the size of a pear that's obscured and inside a person". Trauma and the human anatomy have taken a back seat to dogmatic methodology.
The lesson I took from that fight was to not engage a carbine wielding violent warrior with wheel guns and pumps, also don't crash.

>>32787130
>3.5in :(
Whatchall /k/umsluts recommend then?

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>>32788078
Forgot pic

I have some all copper hollowpoints right now. Guess they'll work well if I'm planning on eating the person.

>>32788078
This guy >>32786925 basically covered to commonly accepted.

I like DPX/HST

>>32788048
I think you are completely right. When hunting, you often see hydrostatic shock turning large chunks of meat into dead dark jello.
Speed and damage go hand in hand.

>>32788090
>>32788090
>>32788090
this is honestly has always been the ugliest single most unattractive pistol to date

and ive seen Remingtons pistols

>>32788048
that was a very in depth look at what actually happened
ive come away smarter after reading what you have wrote
thank you anon

>>32788403
I disagree. But that's ok.

>>32788048
can you tell me which shooting?

>>32788445
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout
I think he is talking about this.

147gr HST. Also have 124gr HST I would be fine with carrying, I shoot a little better with the 147s though.

>>32782948
https://underwoodammo.com/shop/45-acp-p-120-grain-xtreme-defender/

I fell for the meme, but it's an extra deadly meme.

>>32787469
>Neighbor killed one with a dirt bike and a screwdriver
STORY

>>32788429

Can I tickle your brain a little further?

So you often hear that "doctors can't tell the difference in wound canals between FMJ and JHP"

Well thanks to ammo trends, yes. But look at testimonials and reports (I know anecdotal) of mid late 90's JHPs in 40 and 9, particularly corbon (the hot and shallow ones) there's all this chatter of insane trauma and repeated instances of these loads not just killing people but stopping them FAST and nasty.

So now a days, while we observe this stuff closer, not enough people are getting shot with lighter, hotter, wider, shallower, higher energy loads, everything is perfect pre-programmed controlled energy expanding stuff, HSTs honestly.

But if some of that wild stuff had a real shot at the table these days, if we had a batch data of cops shooting people with them...I think we would be surprised... Well you fuckers would at least.

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I carry Hornady 180 gr XTP in 10mm

>>32788671
>https://underwoodammo.com/shop/45-acp-p-120-grain-xtreme-defender/
That looks cool as fuck. I don't currently own a 45 but I want to see a gel test on this stuff.

>>32789056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV_1zXdDf4Y

Sorry if you don't like IV8888, but he's the only one who has done a full test on it. Keep in mind that he's using normal pressured ammo and not +p like >>32788671 does.

>>32788975
Someone could just go to a farm, buy 2 pigs, and test a light for caliber hot +p compared with a heavy HST.

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>>32789125

>>32789000
Post a pic of you carrying that monstrosity concealed

On second though I bet you're the kind of faggot that open carries

>>32789099
No worries, I'm not one of those huge autists who freaks out when they realize their heros have ulterior, professional and personal motivations, I like info tests and data, anecdotal and scientific, so thank you.

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>>32786298
>>32786925
>>32787130
Thanks for the advice. I'll probably end up using 124gr HST. Only thing that stopped me before was they were out of stock at my local store. I just wish they weren't >$1 a round so I could train on them without decimating my wallet.

>>32789206
Why would you ever train on your SD loads?????
Train on target jackets, in a self defense shooting the minimal difference in the recoil of your handgun is going to be the least of your concerns.

Okay the exception would be learning the POA/POI on your carry ammo vs your target jackets, so yes it's probably good to learn that.

For me I just basically married the two sides, I found a target load that prints where my carry ammo does.

But most of you fucks don't even shoot so think about this shit practically.

>>32789125
Go read "The Gun" That kind of ignorant and facile testing has been used repeatedly and surprise surprise - blasting defenseless animals of a similar weight to a human doesn't represent gun fighting terminal ballistics.

Don't be a llama, trust in high speed trauma

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>>32789160
Not him but
>6 foot tall
>210lbs
>Carry a Glock 21 OWB under an untucked polo or sweater
Really not hard unless you're a skinnyjeans-wearing pantyboy.

>>32789283
Some guns don't feed flat-nosed hollow points very well and you'd never fucking know until it was too late.

>>32784585
Metric or imperial units?

>>32789417
So you live or work in an environment where you constantly have a cover garment and are also unconcerned to a large degree of accidental exposure?

Poser.

>>32789500
Grams. He's a lightweight.

>>32782948
Don't carry, but my go to pistol is currently full of tula 9mm FMJs. I keep meaning to get some decent HPs but never have the time. These are just what I have on hand.

Also IMHO, if 15 to 30 rounds of [almost] ANYTHING isn't enough, I have more trouble than I can handle anyways.

>>32789661
>poser
If you wore your pants up at your waist instead of down around your ass like a nigger the hem of your shirt would be 2-3" from the muzzle. Sorry your feminine frame makes it hard for you to dress properly and conceal a grown up size firearm.
I carry every time I leave my house, and no one at work (partially in an office, partially on construction/industrial sights) has ever see it.

>>32789351
>defenseless
Fine, I'll give them knives.

>>32789751
>moron with OWB glock in a black hawk fucking SERPA claiming he does this 365.
Pray tell, what's your job? I anxiously await your response, clown.

>>32789500
33ml beer is 1
750ml wine is 9.5
750ml 40% / 80 proof booze is 30
3L box wine is 38

>>32789671
10 grams= 1 unit

>>32789751
Not him but fuck you faggot I can still sag my pants and cc a glock 19 in a uncle mikes iwb while wearing a 2xl shirt.

I keep it gangsta,

>>32789827
>clown.

Damn, first guess.
But it's for the retard school, and we're allowed to bring protection along with our baggy pants and floppy shoes, because that mythical tard strength is REAL, let me tell you.

Also, r'ties don't know what guns are, so it doesn't scare them, and they usually keep their distance for the most part, or else they hear the "uh-oh noise," and get dropped. However, this almost always causes the others to break out in fits of hysterical screech-laughter, so it ain't even traumatic. I guess everyone wins?

>>32789910
Way to spotlight yourself as a moron.

Have fun with your OWB Blackhawk SERPA EDC, I'm guessing your profession is unemployment.

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>>32789891
Legit. You do you.
>>32789827
Electrical engineer. Protection and controls specialist if you want to get autistic about it.
>dat $120k salary +OT +PD +benefits
>mfw I'm 24

>>32789966

Glad you have the insurance to cover your inevitable glock leg. Enjoy bragging about median income, I'm sure you're super fulfilled in life.

Any other things you want to boast about on an anonymous board?

>>32790017
Anything else you're self conscious about? I could go on for days.

>>32790054
You are so far off track in terms of what this conversation is about.

Enjoy your retarded dangerous inefficient carry, I regret ever trying help.

>>32789206
you can get HSTs online shipped for like $50/100rounds. check out sgammo.com

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>>32790099
>help
Laughable. How in the name of fuck the "Glock leg" or "serpa leg" meme started I don't understand. If you've ever picked one up or drawn from it you'd have noticed your finger drops from the release to the middle of the slide. Carrying OWB is significantly more comfortable for me since I spend a lot of time driving. It's a preference. I've tried countless combinations of guns and holster, this one has stuck because it's
A. still concealable and comfy
B. Large enough to fit my hands
C. I like the retention and it doesn't slow my draw like thumb break
D. Accurate AF
E. Fuddy five puts big holes in things
Clearly your criteria and conditions are different, if all you can pull of is a P238 that's better than nothing hombre.

>>32790243
>Laughable. How in the name of fuck the "Glock leg" or "serpa leg" meme started
Stopped reading, kill your self idiot

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>>32790252
>yf this whole thread

>>32790243
>How in the name of fuck the "Glock leg" or "serpa leg" meme started I don't understand.

A lot of people shot themselves in the leg with glocks, until it just stuck out in our minds as a thing, or meme.
A lot of people shot themselves in the leg drawing from serpas until it just stuck out in our minds as a thing, or meme.

Are you stupid or do you legitimately not understand what memes are? It's fine in either case, really.

>>32790303
Ok, but... fucking HOW? At some point in the past they must have been designed differently. Even intentionally pressing down or at an angle it takes two different and distinct motions just to get your finger on the trigger. I'll concede that it's possible some idiot shot them self, but that's possible with any gun or any holster all the same. Maybe it's not the fault of the design but the apophnia of hearing so many stories due to the ubiquity of Glocks and Serpas.

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>>32787002
>BILLY MAYS HERE WITH A BRAND NEW BULLET FOR THOSE THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH HOME DEFENSE
>YOU'LL NOTICE THE PLASTIC INSERT IN THE HOLLOW PORTION OF THE ROUND
>FOR THE MOMENT WHEN YOU NEED TO DEFEND YOUR LOVED ONES
>BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE
>THAT BALLISTIC INSERT
>IS ACTUALLY A TINY PARASITE FROM THE HELLISH NIGHTMARE DEPTHS OF THE MARIANA TRENCH
>THAT WILL CONSUME THE FLESH OF YOUR ENEMIES

>>32790491
T_T

>>32790491
F

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I carry five rounds of Speer .38 Special +P 135 grain Gold Dot short barrel hollow point inside of Carmelita, my Smith & Wesson M&P340 .357 gun wife.

I love her deeply and feed her only the finest ammunition.

>>32790654
Those grips give my eyes boners.

Bump because noguns hour are almost over

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>>32787418
He's implying horandy's bullets expand like ass

>>32790654
>that grip
holy fuck that's beautiful short version of family

Anyone know what ammo BlackPowderRanger had in his 1911 for the happening?

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>>32792113
Here

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>>32782948
9mm HST 147gr in my Shield, HST 124gr +P in my HD full-size M&P9.

>>32792113

http://www.luckygunner.com/40-s-w-175-gr-jhp-flexlock-hornady-critical-duty-20-rounds#geltest

Am I seeing this right? The .40 cal Critical Duties didn't expand except for 1 round?

>>32793931
>http://www.luckygunner.com/40-s-w-175-gr-jhp-flexlock-hornady-critical-duty-20-rounds#geltest
Yes that is correct, Critical DUTY is notoriously bad out of barrels less than 4", for a sub 4" barreled gun critical DEFENSE will work correctly, that said horandys bullet design and philosophy of loads is dated a fudd like. Seriously all their rounds are soft, slow and even when they expand correctly it's a small increase.

>>32782948
.357 SIG

140 grain S&B FMJ

>>32793995
Damn that's disappointed. I carry Critical Duties in my Glock 23. Guess I'll be changing that now and loading those into my bedside gun M&P 40 full size.

I didn't realize these were notoriously bad at expansion. When I bought them a year or so ago every review I read was rave.

>>32794058
The naming of the products is pretty telling: DUTY - fullsize guns DEFENSE - compacts

>>32794066
Never thought about it like that, but you're right. Thanks.

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>>32783731
>ball bearing lock
Good shiet ma-
>Wal-Mart tier plastic scales

>>32782948
usually hornady or remington hollowpoints, whatever the store has at the time. I usually go shoot through my carry box every few months since the rounds in the mags are exposed to fluctuating temperatures and humidities.

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>>32795292

Might as well just save the money and use FMJs if your going to buy over the counter wal mart JHPs for defense.

>>32782948
What round is that?

>>32795804
Win. Ranger T

>>32794000
aka nerve damage

>>32796486
Is this some kind of inside joke? Is that a round of note?

i just got a sigma and the pawn shop clerk threw in a box of this stuff called pmc starfire....thats good right?

>>32795804
op here
winchester ranger t series in 45 or 40

>>32798473
it says 40 in the filename

>>32798572
its been a while since i made the thread i cant be bothered to remember the damn caliber lmao

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>>32797956
>pmc starfire
>thats good right?

http://www.luckygunner.com/9mm-124-gr-jhp-starfire-pmc-20-rounds#geltest

>>32798615
>http://www.luckygunner.com/9mm-124-gr-jhp-starfire-pmc-20-rounds#geltest
according to some of the folks in this thread that's an ideal round, nothing matters but penetration and that's a consistent group just past 18"

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>>32782948
These bad boys

>>32798659
With modern JHP teknology all calibers are the same, the only consideration is shot placement ... period.

It is simple matter of fact that anything larger than 9mm JHP sacrifices too much magazine capacity and recoils too much.

>>32798952
yeah so that starfire is awesome then, shit why use hollow points at all?

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>>32782948
9mm 147gr Sig v-crowns.

>>32783129
>>32799057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lr23j0Vx6g

Watch this video, I think the V-crown is awesome, can you imagine shooting someone in the neck with one of these?

>>32798981
Why? Because a hollow point means it is high quality defensive ammunition.

I think Starfire made it so that this hollow point concentrated the devastation instead of wasting it on a larger area.

*sarcasm

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>>32799132
>I think Starfire made it so that this hollow point concentrated the devastation instead of wasting it on a larger area

Love you fellow energybro

>>32799093
They're nice, shoot and cycle reliably. I got no complaints.

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>>32787699
Be wary of light bullets in the 357, they are prone to causing forcing cone and top strap erosion. I have 164gr boolits leaving my 6" barrel at 1555fps.

As for my carry ammo, I only trust my life with 645gr hollow points traveling at about 1,200fps.

>>32787289
COOL

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>>32799375
>erosion
I don't mind abusing a cheap range toy.

>>32799671
meh, taurus makes a good revolver. I have well over 15k rounds down my taurus 66. It is by far my most favorite and most accurate gun.

In all seriousness, be careful with light bullets in 357 magnum. I know It sounds fucking crazy but there are many examples out there of visible damage occuring before 50 rounds and significant damage rendering the gun unsafe within a hundred rounds.

The fastest way you can ruin a revolver is by running 110 or 125gr bullets with a max charge of lilgun powder.

>>32799751
Will 9mm +P 90gr and .40 S&W +P 125gr also damage pistols?

>>32800028
Not if they're rated for +p

There is no +p rating for .40 since it's already a high pressure round. You're going outside of specs if a .40 box says +p.

>>32800028
You wont have the gas cutting issue with an auto loader but I've seen some scary looking shit with some of those +p loads that seem too good to be true. namely underwood and buffalo bore +p ammo. I have picked up brass after people shot that shit through a multitude of +p rated guns and the cases look like they are ready to blow. ballooning out like a mofo where the feed ramp is.

Scary thing is that buffalo bore and Kevin, the owner of underwood didn't seem too concerned.

>>32800110
Eh. Generally +P boxed ammo (with the obvious exception of .38 spl) is still with SAAMI spec for chamber pressure.

>>32800199
But there is no SAAMI spec for +p .40, so you're trusting whatever the manufacturer thinks is safe to not blow up your gun.

hornady 9mm 115gn XTP

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For first few and then the fmj ones for rest
220gr cast inna woods

>>32800253
I thought the Sig rounds were shit once you got past the marketing?

>>32800142
Curious

>>32800299
>>32799093

>>32784341
G26 with 125 +p+

>>32783731
And the award to strangest edc piece goes to you anon, congratulations on taking autism to unheard of levels.

I carry 20 grams of sand in each pocket. Paprika in my webbing, and cayenne pepper in my nipple holters.