VZ 58?

i can only say that its ugly as balls

>>32781417
czechs thumbed their noses as soviet union, used their relatively robust domestic arms industry to crank out this thing instead of the AKs they were supposed to

It's fine but it's not an AK

>anything quality is well over a grand
No. New Arsenal SLR107-11 is $850MSRP, soon to be much lower from retailers.
WASR can be had for $600

>>32781417
they use different mags which is my only complaint.

>>32781417
Stock, it's a better, more accurate, more versatile AK that's better built and much more versatile than the normal AK.

However, it uses different mags, it's smaller than an AK, and there's fuck all in terms of aftermarket compared to the AK family.

It should be seen as a fun quasi-milsurp oddity like the PTR or modern FAL derivatives, but they're being gobbled up and thoroughly molested by tacticool mall ninja types as a loophole gun most everywhere in the US and Canada where the AK is banned by name.

>>32781417
no snowflake bs
> nothing is interchangeable with an AK
Buy the new Arsenal or wait till this summer. Prices on AKs will drop

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>>32781417
They are great. Accurate and fun. You should buy one but also buy an ak

Still don't understand why the czech didn't make the mags compatible with AK, even NATO employs STANAG.

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>>32781611
>>32781515
Bolt hold open for knowing when you're empty visually and audibly, and using stripper clips to speedload 30rd mags.

>>32781651
It's a very GOOD thing.

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>>32781611
>>32781515
Muh mag arguments

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Also, you can get at the main areas of the rifle that require cleaning by simply activating the BHO.
You can wipe the bolt face area, use a boresnake, tear the entire gas system apart.

>>32781417
basic bitch rifle of canada

muh non-restricted!

A good rifle of you have wanted to experience an exorcism

>>32781423
Personally I think they pull the combloc sexy look off better than the AK. The only better looking AK in my opinion would be the AS Val.

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VZ is Best AK

Add to Cart buy now.

>>32781417
Get one of the new arsenal slr 107-11 AKs, they are only about $850 on kvar

>>32781417
Since its a striker fired weapon, its by design more reliable than an AK.
So you need less maintenance however you dont have a dust cover.

>>32781609
More pictures of dogs and qt girls please

>>32781417
buy a WASR-10
Century doesn't fuck the magwells anymore and they tick all the boxes

chf-cl barrel
bayo lug
cleaning rod
side rail
standard furniture
forged trunions, bolt, and carrier

>>32784037
>I only think the inferior vz2008 exists
>i've never held a vz58

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>>32783183

>>32784488
Hey Canadian. How do you like the wood wood stock?

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>>32781417
It's overall a pretty adequate rifle, short-stroke gas-piston, tilting bolt, striker-fired, it's nothing at all like an AK, doesn't share it's magazines even, but it can do a lot of the same things.
Some will argue that it's "better" than an AK, but I think the hype is a bit overblown, it's just a rifle like many others, and there happens to be nothing really wrong with it.

The action is wide open, which makes it easy to clear any potential malfunctions, but on the other hand, that means there's really nothing to stop dirt from getting inside if you were to say, drop it in a pigstye. Most people won't ever drop their rifle in horrible horrible mud though, so for any kind of civilian use, this really isn't a concern.

Accuracy is acceptable.
Aftermarket is small.
The gun gets hotter faster than an AK (the handguards don't do a lot to shield from heat)
The magazines are lightweight, but a bit bulky.
The action is cut to accept SKS stripper clips, so you can do that if you want to.
If you lived in California, which banned bullet buttons, you could lock a 10rd magazine in place and then use stripper clips to load it, while still having a pistol grip.
Has an actual, functioning bolt hold-open, unlike any ComBloc AK (no, the follower on Yugo mags holding the bolt carrier in place doesn't count as a real bolt hold-open).

>>32784714
>The action is wide open
For the two seconds it takes to load it, then it's closed again.

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>>32781721
Honestly, with the loopholes and with some nice trickery, you can have a pretty good "Black Rifle" without even having an RPAL

Pic related makes Trudeau cry into his wife's boyfriend's arms.

>>32784779
True, but I also stated it was kind of an insignificant thing anyway, you don't often get your rifle caked in mud even in the military, so it's not that much of a concern.

why not opt out for an type 81 if ur in Canada?

>>32781417
> What can you guys tell me?
It's like an AK, but good & high quality

>>32784903
>implying they're ever going to get here

>>32785077
>Germany was a victim of unfortunate circumstances
Yeah, they're called Germans.

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My csa vz58 has a loose rear sight. It moves left to right about an 1/8 of an inch. Is it possible that I whacked it on my hand earlier and knocked it loose? Or would it have come that way from the factory?

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>>32781417
it's a fucking meme op, everyone here wanted one and probably only 3 of us actually baught one.

>>32787063
They were selling them for $400 with extra magazines a few years ago, extremely good deal, many people here got one, some even got multiple.

>>32787121
got any idea when that fucking price will get remotely close to 500-600 dollars?

>>32787225
Parts kits ran out. You either buy a real czech one or you over pay for a century builds. Your pick

>>32787063
I did. What a regret. It suffered the trigger reset bug and century couldn't fix it. I don't miss much about it. Should have gone straight to arsenal.

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>>32787259
I fucking love my VZ2008. Never had a problem with it, beyond having to finagle a quadrail on. I've found it easier to be accurate with it than an AK, though I won't claim it is objectively more accurate.

Also, because it has a bolt hold open, you can install an extended hold open/release, giving AR-like controls.

>>32787399
>though I won't claim it is objectively more accurate
My buddy's shot like ass, till we removed that slant brake.
Then it was shooting pretty tight at 400 yards with some gt ammo.

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>>32787063

>tfw im waiting for my vz 58 compact to ship

we strikeback now

>>32787427
That's actually not the first time I've heard people mention that, that removing the slant brake improves groupings.

Does it shoot better with a birdcage hider? Because one of those would look badass on a VZ

>>32787502
>Does it shoot better with a birdcage hider?
I'd assume so. Something without where gas blowby on the bullet doesn't push on it unevenly HAS to help.

>>32782215
What about the Palmetto State Armory AK kits?

Where do I even get one of these fuckers?

>Inb4 czechpoint

>>32787427
I've put the Slovak brake on mine, definitely seems to shoot tighter now.

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>>32787701
Pic related

>>32787701
Yeah, anything other than a slant should help immensely.
I'd rather have a muzzle nut than a slant brake. It's barely even a brake. Whoever thought it was a good idea to put that on a gun was thinking purely of cost savings and not the ill effects they have.

>>32787730
Well the slant brake originated on the AKM in Russia, and their doctrine for the rifle was first and foremost rapid and full-auto fire, I'm guessing the idea is to help fight muzzle climb.

>>32787766
>I'm guessing the idea is to help fight muzzle climb
Yeah, but it's still pretty poor at it vs anything else.

>>32781658
I kind of like how ugly and bland it is. Like one of those guns thats not really fun to fiddle around with but is good for like guerilla/militia warfare. Very commie looking.

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>>32787663
Sup bra

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>>32787854
It's a good one

>>32787729
What's up scout non scope. You get a hand jobber in those shorts or nah?

More accurate than any akm, generally solid build quality. I'd personally buy one again over an ak47

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>>32787865

>>32781417
Ive had one for 2 years now. Decent accuracy, robust, easy to clean.

>>32787904
que?

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>>32787865
>>32787948

>>32787882
What gun is that on the far left. Excuse my retardation.

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>>32788571
A weird one. Only one I know of but I don't know everyone. Pps43c pistol with the barrel extended and the reciever cut a d welded on a wood stocked reciever end piece to run a full stock. Ala a pps from Poland in 52ish

>>32788571
>▶
it looks like a regular pps43 pistol that had the welded on stock for importation cut off and a regular stock put on, along with a longer barrel, probably required a aow stamp.
there was a lot of them for sale cheap a few years ago i wanted to get one if i could totally remove the stock from it but it was a bit of a legal grey area if it could be taken off or not because releasing it from the receiving and it being able to function as a stock was a federal crime, that and ammo seemed impossible to find in my area unless you want to shop online
looks like this ones stock has an extension that fits inside the receiver and screws into place

>>32781417
>I've been thinking of adding an AK to my collection for awhile now and I completely refuse to fall for the American AK meme
Then why get a Vz?
They're AKs in appearance only. Totally different action.

>>32788605
Pistol caliber carbines are so much fun.

>>32788737
>probably required a aow stamp
Sure about that? If you cut and reweld the receiver it can count as a new gun

>>32784801
go on....

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gr8

>>32785422
Definitely your fault. Fucking Canadians.

>>32784037

I can't get past the ugly finish and the lack of mag dimples.

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>>32788843
It's right there in the image.

It's a VZ58 in 5.56x45mm, it has a magwell conversion installed to take 5.56x45mm AR magazines, the magazines in question are LAR15 "pistol" magazines, and in Canada, pistol magazines can have 10 round capacity, compared to the 5 round capacity that semi-auto rifles can otherwise have.

There are two of the LAR15 magazines, they're attached to each other by the bottom (with a MagWedge), to allow for quick reloads (a lot like jungle taped mags actually), together, the loaded 10 round magazines are roughly in the shape of a 30 round magazine.

You can get the same arrangement in 7.62x39mm, using AR style 10 round "pistol" magazines as well, pic related. Also these magazines can be made to work with a magwell adapter on an SKS, this would allow you to have 10 round capacity in it like intended.

Iv got a Vz.2008 and I've enjoyed it so far. Haven't been able to take it past 50m yet but I find it comfortable to shoot and easy to handle. I replaced the folding stock with a solid one. My only gripe about the gun is the gas system, it blows directly into the space under the fore grip, which means that you get a metric shit ton of fouling under the grips and they heat up pretty quick. Take down and cleaning are piss easy though, and the bolt hold open is great since most of the ranges near me are super anal retentive about making people keep their bolts open if the gun is not actively being fired.

>>32789284
>and they heat up pretty quick
I wonder if someone makes better handguards for it.

Like, not a rail or shit, just something like a MagPul AK handguard.

>>32789321
This pic makes me want one now.

Are they good for first gun?

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>>32790517
They're perfectly alright and serviceable.
They're not QUITE as simple and idiotproof as an AK, but they're pretty close, it's very close to an SKS mechanically, and it's even lighter in weight than the average AK.

I wouldn't say myself that it's the best of the best, but there's nothing outright wrong with the rifle and if it's the only rifle you had, you would be very adequately equipped. The ammunition is cheap and though 7.62x39mm doesn't have as much range or as flat of a trajectory as 5.56x45mm or 5.45x39mm it's a dependable performer within 400yds and hits pretty hard, you can easily hunt deer or boar with this rifle.

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>>32790517
I guess I'd run down a checklist:

>Do you want a rifle that is easy to shoot, handle and take care of?
>Do you want a rifle that's fun to shoot?
>Do you want a rifle that has cheap and good ammunition and magazines?
>Do you want a rifle that can put out a lot of firepower fast?
>Do you want a rifle that can be used for hunting medium game?
>Do you want a rifle that can do all the basic things a combat rifle needs to be able to do?
>Do you want a rifle that's an interesting piece of 20th Century history?

The VZ58 does all those things adequately.

I'd recommend a fixed or AR style collapsing stock (I guess it depends on what kind of aesthetic you're looking for) for a nicer cheekweld and length of pull. Folding stocks are cool, but they're not always the most comfortable, Eastern Europeans (particularly back in those days), are of smaller stature, and the length of the stock is fit for them, if you're a Big Guy, and a westerner, there's a chance the stock might feel a bit too short for you. Easy to fix, but do keep it in mind.

Also I would recommend either taking off the slant-cut muzzlebrake and leaving a thread-protector, or replacing it with a birdcage flash hider, it will improve your accuracy.

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Looks pretty sexy in black and with clear plastic mags.

All it really needs is a birdcage flash hider and a railed dust cover for a clean and utilitarian modern look.

>>32788778
>>32788737
Step one. Make barrel 16.1 inches. Step 2. Cut folding stock weld. Boom you would have been done making a folder rifle. I didn't want the folder so my guns step 2 was cutting the rear of the reciever off since the wood stock end is completely different. Step 3. Weld up new rear step 4. Refinish.

Pistol to rifle is easy for guns no stamp required.
Rifle to pistol no stamp requires cutting the reciever into 3 pieces to destroy it and then re welding it to create a new gun.

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Here's an old pic.
I have since put a beaver barf stock and handguards on it and I'll be adding a B&T Rotex-V suppressor soon.

>>32789284

the overheating just comes with the territory of the lightweight design. theres only so much you can do.

speaking of, why don't companies have handguards with heatsinks in them?

>>32789058
some wily canuck needs to make a .50 Beowulf "pistol" so you guys can have "10 rounds" .50 Beo mags

a 5 round Beo mag already holds 15 5.56

>>32793621
I think a few people do that on a small scale but they charge a lot for the magazines.

>>32790679
Sounds good to me! What's the average price of one in the US?

>>32790800
Yeah, that sounds good, actually. Aesthetic-wise I'd like a fixed stock, I hate how the AR style collapsing stocks look on certain rifles, myself.

>>32790938
That is a sweet looking rifle. How would I get one like that?

>>32793842

CSA's website i'd assume. new prodction VZs are around 1150

>>32793842
Buy one with black plastic furniture, and then buy some clear waffle mags.

Then maybe a flash-hider and railed cover.

>>32793849
Doesn't price depend on whether or not you're in America or Canada?

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>>32794102

im getting mine in 5.56 because the GI mag adapter is sexy af.

>>32794121
That nonexistent sight radius

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>>32794121
That works, though there's similar mag adapters for 7.62mm, using 7.62mm AR mags, just so you know (5.56mm is a perfectly good cartridge, however).

Looks a bit funky with 30rd mags, but the 10rd pistol mags are straight (if you're a Canuck or Californian).

>>32794183
Could be solved by a railed cover that you could put a new rear sight on (and maybe make it a peep sight, if you prefer those to Soviet sights)

>>32794183

>implying you're hitting anything past 100m with a 190mm barrel

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Here's mine. I like it a lot.

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I like mine, but trying to sell it to afford a dream gun. :(
>15.4in a best

Jesus christ. I just realised these fuckers go for like $1200 Canadian. Fuck that shit.

>>32794524
You have to look for deals. CGN is turbo-cancer, fudds peddle them for $1500. The economy plays a factor, too. Even though I'm selling mine for a grand, and with all the shit that comes with, very few responses.

>>32790938
Blade runner called they want their prop back.

>>32794521
>dream gun
What is it?

>>32794681
HK91.
I'm also selling an optic, might use that to get a Vector.
>Inb4 reeeee the Vector is stupid
I like it.

>>32793849
Whoah, they sell CA legal variants of their rifles. Nice.

https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/vz58-liberty-762?l=1

>tfw it doesn't have the clear plastic mag
Oh well, it's good enough for me.

>>32794524
Black rifles are just more expensive in Canada, anything self-loading, centerfire and feeding from detachable magazines will usually cost more up there than in America, unless it's some old milsurp junk like an SVT40, or something a Hi-Point or like those KelTec economy rifles, which are real cheap in America, but still cost a few hundred too fucking much on average in Syrupland.

If you can find a nice black rifle for 1000CD or less you've got a pretty good deal.

>>32794759
>reeeee the Vector is stupid
I aint hatin. I don't want one but I'm not going to judge you. I shot a full auto one once, it was pretty cool.

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>>32794936
Yeah, they're cool like that.

What I would do is to just leave a 10rd mag locked in, and then use SKS stripper clips to load from the breech, the gun would then be like a nicer and lighter SKS with a pistol grip (it's also way easier to fire from a bench or while prone with the shorter mag).
Plus, if you ever leave California, or if the laws change, you can have the maglock removed and use magazines like normal.

I suppose if you could find one of those clear plastic mags in 10rd capacity, that might look pretty cool to see it fill when you strip a clip into it.
Also just loading or topping off an empty or half full magazine with loose individual cartridges is easily done on the VZ58 with the wide open breech.

>>32794936

i like how the CA-legal variant is called the 'liberty'

>>32795237
>>32795321
Are muzzle brakes legal in CA?

>>32781417

It's really not an AK. They may look similar cosmetically but mechanically they are definitely not the same gun.

>>32794547
Yeah ive noticed that about CGN

>>32795927
Yes. Muzzle devices cannot have advertised or claimed muzzle flash reducing qualities.

Or just move to northern california, enjoy the oregon-like terrain, and never give a shit ever again

>>32795927
Yes, though I would highly recommend a different kind of muzzle-brake over the slant-cut one you often get with these rifles, your groupings will thank me.

is gud.

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>>32795967
Time to save up about $1200 for a Liberty with muzzle brake and maybe a clear mag.

>>32796500
This is the one on their website.

>>32796633
That's the one I bought for mine. Never even bothered firing with the slant.

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>>32794759
>HK91
>Canada

Cheeky

>>32781721
That hurts :(

>>32781417

There's alot to love. It is more accurate than an AK, lighter despite being milled steel, and very compact. It's phenomenal, in my opinion. I say that as a guy who owns a Galil Ace, AR15, X95 Tavor and a CSA VZ58. Of all my guns, it is probably my favorite.

Mine has been extensively modified, including a side mounted rail, cerakote, aluminum quad rail, Ronin grip, and the new Zhukov stock + adapter from RSRegulate. Additionally, it contains ambi mag release + LRBHO controls.

Compared to my AR15 and my Tavor X95 it is more ergonomic in terms of battery of arms. Outside of the initial charging of the weapon, everything I need can be done with my right hand index finger. Drop the mag, release the bolt, fire the weapon etc.

It's extremely small and very pointable. As far as accuracy, it is superlative for a 7.62x39.

It's amazing, in short. You will pay for this, though, but compared to high end ARs or Tavors it is reasonable.

>>32794102

And where would one acquire the clear waffle mags?

>>32787904
Nobody has gotten a handjob in cargo shorts since 'nam.

>tfw Czech Small Arms will run out of the Beech vz58's before I can afford one
At least the black ones look cool.

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>>32798857
Well, what you could do is ask a woodsmith to forge some nice wood furniture for you, then have it properly oiled/shellacked, if you want a more oldschool look. If you give him your furniture parts as reference he should be able to copy the shape and make them so they would fit (or you could have him make something of your own).

There exists wood furniture sets commercially, but I don't know how common they are, I saw one on EBay for like 300USD

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Bump for one of the few rifles which makes me like tilting bolts.

>>32800095
I'm still kicking myself for not getting the $399 VZ kit from Aim Surplus a few years back

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>>32800194
I'm kicking myself for not being born in Canada or the USA where you can get a VZ with little to no restriction or bullshit.

>>32797091
They're around. Same with FALs, AKs, etc. You just have to know the right people. For example, there'sa shit-ton of L1A1s in-country that came in without papers. It's just that most people who have one will never discuss them unless they trust you.

I bought the $399 deal from psa a few years ago when it was the rifle, bayo + scabbard, 5 magazines + mag pouch, cleaning kit, etc.

probably my greatest purchase ever considering what I got for the money

I kinda want to shoot a czechpoint vz to see how they compare, but I wouldn't buy one unless they bring back the vz58 cqb (15.4in barrel)

>>32800308
God I wish those were still coming in.

That faggot Alex bought like five of those deals, mad jelly.

>>32800342
I ordered mine from AIM surplus for $499 and when I brought it home to post about it there was a thread about PSA selling them for $399.

>>32800530
lel

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>>32800530
$500 for a perfectly good rifle with mags and accessories is still pretty good though.

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They look seriously fucking sexy with shellacked red wood.

I don't know why the Czechs would cease production of the Vz58 when it sells fucking gangbusters in Syrupland.

Why did they never make the sporters in a .308 version anyway? It would be like an FAL but better.

Does anyone have a vz58 from czechpoint? Are they good / worth the dosh?

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watch Strike Back OP, in case of undecisiveness.

>>32781417

Get an AMD-65.

>>32781417
They're fucking haunted, watch out for VZ58's with surplus parts.

>>32802157
2 czech point rifles in this thread
>>32800308
If you are near nc. You are welcome to shoot mine.

>>32802219
>mystery barrel
>soft receiver
I would not get current ones.

>>32794521
11.5 masterrace

>>32802219
those are just ugly little guns with crap stocks

>>32794186

the only problem i've seen with the mag adapter is that it prevents you from attaching the slide release lever mod

>>32802219
LOL no

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I had one of these back when they were $400. It was perfectly fine, but I just never cared for it. I sold it for a slight profit and bought a PTR instead because that's what I always wanted. It's like the Toyota Camry of rifles, it is dependable and affordable, but probably won't ever inspire great love.

>>32806729
>but probably won't ever inspire great love.
While they do the same things overall, the vz2008 definitely will not inspire great love. It's rough and scratchy feeling, and not fitted especially well.
The real deal, however, has me wrapped around it's finger.

>>32807169
>>32806729
How do both of them compare?

>>32808340
Well, the PTR GI(no rail, button mag release) is only $130 more, and it's got a lot more aftermarket surplus parts, depends on what you want really. .308 vs 7.62x39, PTR is much larger, different operating system, etc.

>>32808622
No, I don't mean the PTR91 rifles, I know their glory, I mean both of the Vz58s, they were of different build quality, depending on when you got them.

>>32808809
Oh, I had the vz2008, there was nothing wrong with it as far as I could tell. It went bang everytime.

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Bumperino.

>>32802395
I definitely appreciate the offer since they're very uncommon to see, but I live in Florida. I am a huge czechfag so I'll probably end up buying one after my vz61 sbr

>>32808340
I can't explain much better.
But if you've held both, the differences will be glaring.

>>32813088
as an owner of a 2008, I would love to find someone locally with an actual Czech made gun to compare them.
I love my 2008 and have had zero problems with it (I didn't get the trigger reset gremlin that a lot of guys get) and it cycles so smoothly that I can't imagine a CZ cycling any smoother.
but I'd love to find out.

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Get some OG wood for it. Makes her look a lot cleaner.

Mine is a parts kit build. OG chrome lined HF barrel.

>>32813254
I like the beaver barf. I don't know why. I just do.

>>32813149
If mine didn't have trigger reset issues I would never have gotten rid of it. I still prefer AKs but it was a pleasant little rifle.

>>32781611
Czechoslovakia was the rebel child of the Warsaw Pact, and almost everything they did was in spite of the USSR. They designed their weapons to conform to the mothership's standards as loosely as possible, and dragged their feet in almost every other decision.

This served two purposes:
1. To complicate the USSR's logistics
2. To stimulate domestic production and make them more self sustaining (in case the pact should fall apart)

The USSR fought them over the vz.52, which was the Czech compliment to the SKS and was entirely proprietary including in cartridge. This resulted in the vz.57 which was chambered in 7.62x39 and also the precedent that they would at least have to use the same cartridge as everyone else.

>>32782199

good lord what the fuck did you do to that AK?

>>32813149
As an owner of a cz vz58, the vz2008 is still a great gun.
But you'll just have to see for yourself. The real deal just feels luxury in comparison. Everything is so smooth in the action, and everything fits perfectly.

>vz.58 thread
>Canadians all come out of the woodwork

Anybody here with the GI Mag adapter for their 5.56 one? Mine tends to work pretty well, but I noticed that if I use mags without the anti-tilt follower that the rounds on the right side of the mag will strike the face of the barrel instead of the feed ramp. This will shear the face of the round usually, leaving some copper shavings in the rifle.

I was thinking of grinding the feed ramp a bit to give a larger face for the bullet to ride up into the chamber, as the bullet seems to impact a few mm to the right of the existing ramp. Any other ideas?

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>>32814044

the czechpoint website has a pretty decent list of approved and unapproved mags for the adapter

>>32813149
>>32813871
I liked my VZ2008 but I had the gremlin problem and didn't feel like trying to contact that guy on the forum that did welding of the tab to solve it so I traded it for a truck during the Sandy Hoax hype. Paid $449 for it and I got a nice truck so I'm still happy. Someday I'll buy a Czechpoint VZ58.