Middle East Thread "trouble in jihadist paradise EDITION"

>>32761712
>historians
>isis
you disrespectful peace of shit
it is HISHTORIANSH
and EYSHISH

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M9TgDvRZHg&t=0s

https://ok.ru/video/226625325634

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>>32761649
Some updates for today.

SAA Tiger Forces have managed to capture Um Al-Amad and Tel Rehal and have linked up with Turkish backed rebels , finally cutting off Kurdish access to ISIL held territory in their eastern pocket in Aleppo. This comes as other SAA forces are engaged with ISIL in an attempt to take the town of Al Madyunah from the Islamic organization. SAA forces have managed to push deep into ISIL territory, using the militant's group's fixation on keeping the Turks out of Al Bab in order to capture a number of towns and begin to advance along the M4 highway.

In other news, ISIL has received a large number of reinforcements (approximately 300) in the vicinity of the T4 Airbase in the Homs province. This means that any offensive meant at re-capturing Palmyra will be delayed as SAA forces will have to first halt ISIL's attempt to take the Syrian held airfield before being able to try to re-re take the ancient city.

Lastly. Russian air raids over ISIL held sectors of Deir Ezzor continue, as TU22M3's and various other aircraft have struck targets throughout the militant held corridor. Russians supposedly struck a trade center as well as arms depots, killing both civilians and militants alike. It is unknown how many of them are casualties, but a previous strike killed around thirty people in total.

In Yemen, Houthi forces and their allies have managed to overrun a number of Saudi army bases, killing various troops and capturing Saudi equipment. While the Saudi backed coalition has had troubles in fighting in the mountain regions of the country, they have experienced relative success recently along the coast, as Saudi backed forces have managed to capture the port of Mokah and the Dhubab district as they advance along the Taiz west coast.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOczcCl5GV8&t=0s

Syrian army forces attacked Daesh Khanasser towards the hills in the south-eastern Aleppo.

Holy shit, looks like Al-Nusra is now in open warfare with Ahrar Al-Sham and the """FSA""" lmao.

For what purpose??? Are all the moderate jihadis tired of getting bombed by the US because of Nusra fags? Don't they know they're all gonna get Trump'd anyway?

>>32762627
My speculation would be that they know they've lost the war and that any support they might have had in the west has dried up, so their best bet now would be to reallign themselves away from the most radical groups in hopes of getting more lenient terms when a peacedeal comes around.

>>32761712
>>32761936

Unless Trump changes the education system I don't see the liberals actually teaching kids about ISIS because it would make islam look bad.

>>32762724
this.

>>32762340
Go SAA, Go Russia, Go Houthis!

>>32762724
>Initiate bloody power struggle with Al-Nusra
>Nearly get defeated in the process
>SAA sweeps in and steamrolls the leftovers
>Assad executes every man older than age 16 in Idlib

I'm not so sure about this "plan".

>>32762799
>>Assad executes every man older than age 16 in Idlib

No way he even considers something like this in his wettest dreams

>>32762916
What a clusterfuck. Just managing that battlespace would give me nightmares.

>>32762942
I really wanna do a thesis on comparing Fotini Christia's theory that she used in Former Yugoslavia and Afghanistan and see if it applies in Syria. Her theory on alliance formations in civil wars is pretty interesting. I see a lot of similarities, but I think she didn't factor enough international or outside influence.

Here's a TLDR of her work via a review

http://fotini.mit.edu/sites/default/files/images/Nationalities%20Papers.pdf

>>32762942
>battlespace
it's closer to gang wars, really

>>32762731
I mean, Common Core is essentially oing to be dissolved and I think Trump is going to take a more "state's rights friendly" approach to education for the most part (minus the more extreme cases maybe).

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>>32762814
>tfw all the jihadis is idlib will be deported into turkistan and cause even more destruction there

chickens coming home to roost

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>>32762340
>SAA forces have managed to push deep into ISIL territory, using the militant's group's fixation on keeping the Turks out of Al Bab in order to capture a number of towns

Abu hajjar had a houthi cousin

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2GeGBOLc4ks

>>32765799
sound and fury signifying nothing . . .

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>>32765534
>chickens coming home to roost
Chickens have chicks.

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What the fuck is going on here?

>>32766390
It is he face of Obama's proxies when the pipeline will be a joint multinational US/Russian/ &I ran/Syria owned & operated piece of infrastructure.

>>32766390
Ahrar Al-Sham and the """""FSA""""" are now in open conflict with Al-Nusra.
They are fighting to the death for the honor of getting executed when the SAA rolls in and cleans up the leftovers

>Obama left office
>ISIS and rebels got BTFO less than a year later
Really makes me think.

inb4 but, but that's just Obama's anti-terrorist policy paying off

>>32766390
Civil war inside a civil war.

>>32766699
obummer probably thought Assad wouldn't last this long.

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>>32766390
map needs more colors

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>>32766962

Anyone have the new vid of ISIS suicide drones?
Governments around the world are probably shitting their pants over this

>>32768073
http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/new-isis-islamic-state-video-knights-of-bureaucracy-mosul-iraq-wilayat-ninawa-modified-weaponized-drones-bombings-airstrikes-uncensored-video/
all i could find
first thought in my mind: what took so long?

>>32762340
>Houthi kicking shit in
I like this

>>32768704
eh not quite, Houthi forces have incurred a lot of losses despite pushing the Saudi's back. What the Saudi army can't do to the Houthi/Republican Guard troops, the Saudi air force can. Im just surprised the Sauds relegated their air force to doing punitive air strikes deep inside Houthi territory more so than trying to help their own troops. I guess they just don't want to accidentally bomb their own troops

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Here is the full graph (JFS released) of rebel battles in Idlib the last couple of days. From my first look the groups they are fighting with are Turkish backed Islamist groups. One FSA group as well. JFS has taken a lot of casualties due to US airstrikes in Idlib recently as well.

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>>32768154
>those fucking hole in one shots in the turrets of the iraqi gun trucks

everytime I think this was is getting boring it stops getting boring

>>32769436
*war

>>32769055
Ruskies and Assad will probably just sit back and watch the show in Idlib for the time being. Maybe later intervene and offer reconciliation for the "moderate" rebels and fight Nusra fags.

>>32768154
>http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/new-isis-islamic-state-video-knights-of-bureaucracy-mosul-iraq-wilayat-ninawa-modified-weaponized-drones-bombings-airstrikes-uncensored-video/
top kek

ISIS figured out that people always run away from an SVBIED so now they scare them into running then go for the crowd of fleeing guys

>>32762731
>reducing the conflict in middle-east as religious crusade between christianity and islam
can you go back to /pol/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oclpHmyOSx8

It looks like the SDF are going to be taking tabqa dam very soon.

How likely is it that they will turn off power to Raqqa and how badly would it effect ISIL there?

>>32768885

Well real airforces bitch about doing CAS, I imagine the inbred fratclub of Saudi Princes that makes up their air force all wanna do the cool deep strike missions and get to.

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>>32761712
He's moving so quickly I can't even write anything down.

>>32770285
Hes gonna do anything more?

>>32768154
You can't beat them drones!

>Also, 40-MIKE-MIKE

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https://www.funker530.com/islamic-state-egypt/

I don't know if this is just a compilation of many attacks made over a long time, but apparently shit is intensifying in Egypt.

They even snipe a guy right in the dick @1:20, I'm sure it was on purpose.

>>32762340
>>32765602
>implying everything is not going according the ISIS master plan making Al-Bab a honeypot for all factions involved in the war

Now the SAA and Turks share a front line. I do not think ISIS is very sad about this.

>>32770813
I've followed the Sinai for a little while, its all just a compilation of things over the last year. It's not really all that high intensity of an insurgency though.

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BREAKING: Nusra (the JFS) storms Idlib prison and kills Dozens of Al Suqour of the Sham terrorists.

>>32769055

>attackin

>>32768154
welp, that's it. They weaponized commercial drones

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Defense Minister Michael Fallon UK, commenting on the return of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" from Syria, called it "the ship of shame". He noted that Britain is following every step of the Russian cruiser .

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>We couldn't agree more. Thanks for joining the conversation.

>>32761712
Sure

>>32766962
Very few did

>>32770813

didn't know there was anything going on in Egypt.

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>syrian KINO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXv8k9qofkc

>>32766699
Agreed. The most probable explanation is that Trump did more in 4.5 days than Obama did in 8 years and he's such a good businessman that he was able to show results instantly.

>>32773082
He's a great business man, and a great leader. Actually, he's the greatest business leader. Everybody says so.

>>32772099
Does either side have the upper hand here or are the Idlib rebels just going to fight each other to the death for lulz?

>>32773169
most likely it will be a few skirmishes, then the SAA will attack a bit, and the rebels will band together again for another 6months. Remember both sides are hodgepodges of dozens of different groups with different interests, and they maintain unity by finding a common enemy.

Turks can't catch a break.

Reports coming in that Al Sufaniyah has been re-captured by ISIL after Turkish forces took the town. Sufaniyah has been a target that the Turkish backed forces have attempted to take the town over twelve times and were only able to take the town about 12 hours ago before being ousted hours later. If the reports are true it would deal a serious blow to the Turkish attempts to advance on Al Bab.

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>>32774069
Just in, AMN has corroborated the report that ISIL has taken the town from the Turks.

>>32773203
I dont think so Tim. The moderate Jihadis are publicly comparing this to when they all rose up to kick ISIS out of western Syria.
Except this time they don't vastly outnumber them.

>>32766962
>obummer probably thought Assad wouldn't last this long.
asshat was already defeated in 2015. vladniks rescued him.

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rebels shot down an putinik orlan10 drone over hama
https://youtu.be/nrqrMFaeto8

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>>32774156
pic of drone shot down

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south front rebels use wonderpipe against 57mm assadistic mafia cannon in daraa

https://youtu.be/EgxYDflruIc

>>32774173
delete yourself.

Can someone translate this?

https://twitter.com/ru_rbc/status/824324231173279744

The LivemapUA says Russians offered Syria to create a Kurdish autonomy, but can anyone translate the original tweet?

>>32774204
??????

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rebel hunting regime rabbits with his epic long range rifleman skills (790 yards)

https://youtu.be/aih62vNjsWk

aftermath of terror raids caused by mafia air force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81XikvW0G4A

>>32774245
Shortly speaking, that's an article from constitution Russia proposed to Syria. It proposes decentralization of power and creating a Kurdish autonomy.There are other changes too, like renaming Syrian Arabic republic into Syrian republic, removing mention of Islamic right from constitution and so on

>>32774095
>>32774156
So salty, don't be mad that there is infighting

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hezballa parachruist jumps into deir ezzor

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Martyr's use wonderpipe against IS sandcrawler

https://youtu.be/ns0epeASLU0

>>32774095
>>32774156
>>32774173
>>32774194
>>32774375
Lol, /k threads having jihadi shills is not a meme after all

>>32774194
They didn't even hit it lmao
>literally pounding sand

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>>32774326
>hezballa parachruist
fugg
they are evolving

>>32774410
2/10

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>>32774410
>me
>jihadi shill
ok buddy go home and smoke a dart

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having a cool time in goldsand city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_NJyV4hwk

>>32774456
Hey, i misclicked you, sorry

>>32774496
part II: report from the center

https://youtu.be/xT-fohiYEyM

>>32774511
the content here is subject of information. if you cant accept this fact: leave 4chan.

>>32767707
is Assad the Castro of our times?

Now Assad really needs to capture both Arran and Madunyah north of Aleppo to threaten Al-Bab and its defense system.

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>>32770102
/pol/ is here for a reason

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What a beast of a VBIED

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ISIS breaching charge

>>32775436
You gotta admit, ISIS has been pretty operator, especially as an offensive unit in a region where offensives are typically major failures or just unable to materialize from the actors in play

They got the best shock troops out of anyone they fight

>>32768154
I like how ISIS has the horned reaper narrating now.

>>32775436
They are, at the very least, fearless and creative when it comes to using the resources they have at hand. I'm not really sure how competent they are, though. They've fought the ragtag remnants of the Assad regime, some shit-tier jihadis, Iraqis who turn tail and run more often than they shoot back, and Kurdish forces that range from hardcore professionals to chucklefuck militias. They haven't exactly performed well against the more professional forces fighting for Rojava, either. Then there's the Turks, whose performance in Syria has just been embarrassing. It might be that their opponents are just fucking terrible.

>>32775358
>beast of a VBIED
>still probably used to blow up an empty house after the defender flee

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>>32775461

>>32775401
did they really just bolt an artillery piece to a 5 ton truck?

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>>32777368
everything goes on trucks in the middle east. If you can think of a big gun, we probably have pictures of it on a truck.

>>32778932
That's one thing I admire about the Arabs.
The jerry-rigged weapons are wonderful.
They are like the real life orks: "Can it dakka? no, then we'll make it dakka."

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Holy shit

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>>32777368
Bolting shit onto trucks is how the Iranians manage everything

This is their new "state of the art anti-aircraft system".

I mean it can be effective against ISIS but is basically Hellfire food otherwise.

>>32780350
realistically do you think Iranians have enough money to have air defense thats efficient against US air force...whatever they do they simply cant compete

>>32780680

They can buy some modern SAMs, which might pose a slight annoyance in that it's not going to be "operation live fire and shit and we actually have to work for it".

But nothing more than a glorified speed bump for the amount they'll have.

>>32780680
If they make enough of those trucks we'll run out of missiles before we find anything important to bomb.

Are JFS days numbered?Pretty much every other group united against them

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>>32774326
>hezballa parachruist
Bibi is in for some surprise

>>32780712
Those truck things are extremely effective against helicorpters and anti-infantry planes like the BRRRRRRRRRRRRT.
They're also very mobile, which can protect them from some fighters and bombers, if the detection infrastructure is in place.

Anyway, the USA wouldn't be able to defeat Iran in their own soil. Too many mountains and shit. They'd absolutely destroy every city and infrastructure like open airfields if they really wanted, though.

>>32780350

That turret somewhat reminds me of very early Soviet SPAAG. It doesn't even look like its rader-guided. Won't it pretty much be useless if it's manually operated?

>>32780680
no, only the russians or the chinks hook them up with decent AA

I'm up early reading some shit on the wire after days of stalled fighting, rebel Idlib fighting on most fronts. Step reporting a IS counter attack near Khanasir has resulted in IS over running several villages near Khanasir itself.

Heavy fighting reported in eastern Homs/T4 as well. Meanwhile SAA continues to inch closer to Al Bab from the south as Turkish backed FSA/Turkey still on the outskirts of Al Bab. The SAA has held the line in Deir Ezzor with the backing of 100's of Ruaf airstrikes as they continue to fight over the cemetery. JFS vs everyone else in Idlib is still simmering.

There is talk of a US "safe zone" however I am unclear exactly or who or what this will cover. Today will be interesting.

No matter how incompetent they seem, SAA will always have my respect.
Those people were to be slaughtered, yet hanged in there for 4 fucking years, and will still be kicking ass.
I don't care what the kikes want me to think about them, they are the only heroes in that war.
I thought that Deir Ezzor was going to fall that night.

>>32780954
People are making it seem like IS just bum rushed the whole Khanasir corridor.
>>32780965
Don't forget about the multiple Shia militias from Hezbollah to Afghan. Without them the SAA would not been able to cover Assad's power centers.

>>32780878
Looks like a modified ZSU-57-2 turret

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lmfao

>https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/824013126513360896

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>>32781000
Step reporting the SAA pulled out of Khanasir under fire. Here we go again.

>>32780350

Unit cost per hellfire missile: usd 110.000. Cost of actual deployment comes in addition.

What do you think the price of that iranian dakka is?

>>32781040
They look so depressed.

>>32781068
at least two of them are visibly mutilated, and a many more are straight up dead. impressive that a few survived

>>32781064
Shit. So the road to Aleppo is cut? Shit is really going down in Syria at the moment.

>saa HA, HA, HA....

Daesh controls Khanasser and several surrounding villages and cut through Aleppo road.

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>>32781328

Already? Quickly.

Second Battle of Aleppo when?

>>32781066
Now think of the financial means that Iran has as compared to the USA. And the cost of manning that thing (Iranian manpower) and the amount of industrial capacity it takes to produce one truck and one hellfire. And the proportional impact of losing a truck vs expending a missile on your ability to defend yourself. Suddenly, it's not so smart to make these things anymore.

>>32781000
Well, those militias were an adequate response to the massive amounts sunnis from all over the world into FSA, and ISIS, and Alqaeda, which were in some point all fighting against assad together.

>>32781040

The B-52 might as well be an incarnation of Allah for these illiterate sand niggers. The technology involved in the aircraft is so beyond their reach, it's like magic to them.

>>32781328

LOL, how is it that it takes them days and weeks to restore those parts and then ISIS just rolls in in less than a few hours?

Why are they all so shit?

>>32781335
yep done it two or three times before just as quickly. You have to remember this means they pushed their lines forward only a few km against what is effectively open desert. Also the road is generally defended by NDF who flee at the first sign of inevitable crushing defeat.

Most likely the tigers will be pulled from their north aleppo front to reopen the road, and then they'll put the NDF back in control, and in a few months ISIS will again attack and cut the road, etc. etc.

>>32780870
yeah no. It took 3 weeks to take the entirety of Iraq which had a military of almost equal ability. Iran doesn't stand a chance against the US military. Human wave tactics do not work against a doctrine of overwhelming firepower. Add to the equation the fact that the kurds would rebel against Iran to take even more clay for themselves, and you're looking at Iran quickly ceasing to exist.

>>32782060
>what is terrain

>>32782060
>implying Iran = Iraq
>implying it's the same country three decades ago
>not realizing the fact that completely pacifying a bigger and more fucked-up Afghanistan will not be successful

Anon, are you going to tell me Afghanistan is a success story now?

>>32782367
He said Iran we be beaten military. Nice goalshifting.

https://youtu.be/LyRhn0qqQsY why is this song so good

>>32782060
Iraq is pretty much all flat plains and conveniently borders Saudi which the US could use as a staging ground. Iran is all mountains and would be able to put up a much stronger resistance. While the kurds may revolt though they have a generally much better relationship with the state than the kurds had with saddam the rest of the country is a lot more unified than Iraq was/is. Iranians have national pride and cohesion, they are all shija etc, they've got some baluchi and other ethnicities in the east but there's no reason to assume they would actively support a US invasion.

>>32774069
This whole "capturing and losing" sounds like a meatgrinder to me, for both sides. Reduces the numbers of FSA and ISIS slowly day by day. Or the turks want to keep ISIS busy in Al-Bab.

>>32778932
>>32780350
>>32777368

Honestly this is not a terrible idea. Resources are scarce, and in Middle-Eastern conflicts mobility is key. Something that can go boom, move fast, and doesn't bankrupt you is perfect for long wars in a hostile climate with rapidly shifting lines and allegiances.

>>32772262
What a silly twat. You can't develop your capabilities without practice.

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Costal's conduct mud patrol, lattakia
https://youtu.be/GMPLnvG4-jA

>>32782076
>>32782367
>>32782703
last I checked the US conquered Iraq, and Afghanistan. Iran is less rugged than Afghanistan, and no more militarized than Iraq. Also Iran borders Iraq and Afghanistan. If the US wanted they could (as they already have in limited numbers) send troops to North eastern kurdistan in north Iraq, and troops to south western Afghanistan, and then they have a beautiful pincer set up. Add to this an amphibious invasion from the south and Iran literally would have to defend on three fronts against a technologically superior foe. Iran would be conquered.

Could they still have an insurgency? Yes. But at the cost of losing all of their clay, just like what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hence Iran would lose far more than the US, and its regime would lose everything if Trump decides to invade.

>>32781154
I am reading SOHR and he backs up pro SAA claims of it's fucking nothing sort of. SOHR claims IS was forced to leave the Khanasir outskirts after a few hours and the road is open now but apparently IS did take over large parts nearby briefly. For IS's part there has been no word from them since the attack started.

Meanwhile a large SAA offensive toward Al Bab is ongoing with another village taken today. Fighting continues everywhere else there has been active fighting with little else on news.

>>32783260
This.

Realistically the best Iran could hope to do is slow down the US advance, not stop it.

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FSA forces fight around Al Bab, using FNSS ACV-15
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>>32770285
Reminder this is what has been happening under Obama you idiots just fell for the general meme because haven't been following the air campaign.

>>32774275
>>32774256
are these translations of the video titles or are you actually a Jihadist shill?

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funfact: mexico has no main battle tank.

>>32783674
>Air Campaign
>Against (((Moderated))) Rebels
>USA

Right paid Shill go back to /pol/ please.

>>32783788
we dont need a large military when we are capable of taking over the strongest country on Earth without firing a shot. haha

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jaish rebels shelling regime sexfort with their steelsky launcher , hama

https://youtu.be/I1gnEIwsImk

>>32783845
noice

>>32783621
WTF is that tube attached to the top of the .50 cal on the technical?

drunk russian terroraider roam the sky, drops its bombs, hit several backerys, stores in harasta hood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm6WzIyK5RM

>>32783708
It looks like translations to me.

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new look for unknow araba military designed by world premium italian fashion designer gucci

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7b8NZ2ZLjQ

>>32783853

These guys have only a few more weeks to live. :(

>>32783260
We already agreed that destroying the governments is easy for the US to do, but limiting your thinking to just throwing military weight around and not completely pacifying a country a la postwar Germany and Japan is taking the easy way out in proclaiming a win.

Might as well say the Soviets won their war by killing enough jihadists, or better yet, the US winning Vietnam by killing enough commies when both governments they left behind collapsed.

Your predictions, who will win the rebelbowl? Will some faction be wiped out?

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turkish wepaons plus loepard tank in use by FSA rebels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyIci3jlDeI

>>32784870
There are two proven methods for pacifying a populace. First is the route the US took in Germany and Japan, which is to build and empower a noncorrupt government which cares about the health of the country. Second is the mongolian route. If a town resists you surround the town, march in kill everyone and build a mountain of skull in the center of town. Rinse and repeat until no one dares to resist.

If the US tries their strategy, but retains vested interests, ie. draws the military from the current iranian military, the vast majority of the pacification work will be done via the iranian army. The problem inIraq and to a smaller degree in afghanistan is that we disbanded the miltary members, and in fact barred the military members under the old regime from joining the new regimes forces. This lead to a large number of military trained people who could not join the normal military. Hence insurgencies.

>not completely pacifying a country a la postwar Germany and Japan is taking the easy way out in proclaiming a win.

You and I seem to have different memories of post war japan and germany. There were in fact many partisan attacks on both governments that continued for decades. Further, neither one of those countries had a neighbor who could serve a base of operations from which to launch attacks in that country.

Also completely pacifying the country is radically different from >the USA wouldn't be able to defeat Iran in their own soil.
Last I checked taking all of their clay and exiling the resistance to another country counted as defeating them on their soil.

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>>32785178
I can't even join up to rake gravel(medically DQ'ed), but some rebel fucks get to ride around in a Leo.
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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>>32785178

>>32775550
>It might be that their opponents are just fucking terrible.

How did the Americans lose then?

>>32783674
To a limited extent.

Obama bombed Nusra and friends twice.
Trump has bombed them constantly since Day 1.

>>32784416
Kek

>>32785258
>noncorrupt

>>32784923
Who will win? Certainly not the US-backed "moderates." Fuckers are imcompetent.

>>32786559
During the 2003-2011 phase of the conflict in Iraq? Shit long-term strategic decisions made by politicians and overly restrictive ROE that strangled our troops there.

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>mfw amerilards thinking Iran would be as easy to take down as Iraq
Bigger population, bigger and more rugged territory, larger and defense-oriented military, actual geopolitical alliances plus war weariness at the homefront will all add up to failure.

>>32786726
nobody wins in MENA wars anon, you should know this by now

>inb4 nobody but THE JEWS

>>32784870
It entirely depends on the purpose of the war though
Vietnam was a failure because it was supposed to be about propping up another west friendly state against commies ala Korea
If the objective was to go to East Asia and massacre slint eyes before leaving, then it would have been classed a resounding success, but it wasn't, so it isn't
If the US went to war with the objective fucking the shit out of Iran's infrastructure and military, with no intention of sticking around and pacifying the province, then it would be an easy success, that would never happen because people would get assravaged about old school raiding

>>32766390
i thought those are SAA too. fucking Geopolitical sims.

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>>32767707
no, this guy is. but more abstinent and less cigars.

>>32781040
>replace A10 CAS with B52's
fuck yes

>>32786972
I don't think anyone is going to try to take over Iran anytime soon. It's now too much of a hassle to start a war with it.

Just got back after a long day, I digress. Back story for the latest on Deir Ezzor is a couple days before the last major IS Deir offensive ongoing two weeks now SOHR correctly said IS was massing for a large attack which I posted here (even pro SAA sources were saying a big offensive was coming)

I am seeing Deir Ezzor 24 in the last couple of hours claim another large group of IS reinforcements have arrived in Deir implying round 2 is about to begin. I won't vouch for Deir Ezzor 24 like I would Deir Ezzor SS or SOHR but it's worth posting.

>>32786829
That's not even loss. We got to Baghdad in what? A matter of months if I remember correctly.

>>32786972
It's not going to happen with Trump as president, but let's not delude ourselves here Europoor.

>>32790207
I looked it up, and let me make a correction. It was a matter of weeks.

>>32774326
*hezballah smart guided muntion*

>>32790247
3 weeks to conquer the whole country and it gets counted as a loss. What do you have to do to win?

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>>32790677
hold the fucking territory and not abandon it years after the invasion so that your enemies can turn it into a proxy state? The neocons that wanted to oust saddam literally turned it into an iranian vassal state in the end. Remember the axis of evil? We gave them a new fucking ally. Iraq was the biggest strategic blunder since hitler invading russia. All that blood and treasure was wasted for nothing

>>32790754
the obvious butthurt is strong with this one

>>32790754
And yet, Iraq was so peaceful in 2009 that Obama pulled all the troops out while declaring victory.

ISIS marched right into the power vacuum left behind; but, the original plan for a brigade+ and an air wing, all based out in the desert at H-2, could have provided immediate reinforcements and air support to stop ISIS from taking Mosul in the first place. Pity they weren't there.

>>32791084
The biggest problem with Western interventions is that there is no political will to stay in the country for as long as it takes and to invest in the country. When you compare the US occupation of Japan vs Iraq, you can see that the US wasn't as willing to implement long lasting and deep reforms that would have been necessary for the rehabilitation of Iraq. In a way, Japan is still feeling the effects of the occupation as the defense pact and the US armed forces presence in the country shows how even now Japan still has to rely on the US for some form of protection/help.

There was too much of an emphasis on military strength in the country, when what it needed was good governance and the establishment of a strong yet impartial government. Which was next to impossible since the US fired almost all the Baathists, which comprised almost all the good bureaucrats, soldiers and officers.

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>>32775358
Not a VBED friendo
>http://spioenkop.blogspot dotcodotuk /2016/11/the-islamic-state-going-diy-birth-of.html

>>32784685
:(
>:^)

>>32768885
they do send in cas though ive seen a few videos where they sent in apaches i think the houthis even shot one down. yeah the houthis have taken losses but they can and do kick saudi ass

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>Thunderstorm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHC0AtsQCKI&t=0s

>>32786002
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyIci3jlDeI
@1:05

>>32791167
>he biggest problem with Western interventions is that there is no political will to stay in the country for as long as it takes and to invest in the country

I agree but Germany (western europe post WWII in general), South Korea and as you mentioned Japan contradict that. We're willing to put the time and effort in if the locals aren't fucking worthless incompetents.

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italian stallion: fashiondesigner sponsoring famous rebel's hunters club

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQUyBZ7gJxY

>>32791832
japan beat russinaks.

>>32791811
Yes that is a leo2, what makes you think rebels have the ability to use it ?

>>32792039
cuz they already operate jeeps+apc's. I guess these rebels are and where already turkish forces.

>>32785512
>some rebel fucks get to ride around in a Leo.

Go join them then. You can still die usefully driving a VBIED and pretending it's a Leo.

>>32781040
>https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/824013126513360896

loll, what are these muppets even doing?

>>32791167
The problem with Western interventions is every human in Iraq is a cultural enemy of the West. Germany and Japan were only political enemies, not religious enemies.

Staying in Iraq would have been counterproductive. The wars are wonderful because enemies kill enemies. Muslims understand they are all enemies of everyone who is not Muslim, but stupid white westerners don't get it. Best for the West and Russia if Trump and Putin make friends but keep the enemy bleeding.

Syria intact would be a military threat. So would Iraq. All their borders were drawn by colonials so naturally they don't match ethnic/tribal/superstitionist groups. Outsiders should enjoy the war and hope it lasts fifty years.

>>32791832
>I agree but Germany (western europe post WWII in general), South Korea and as you mentioned Japan contradict that.

Those are not Muslim therefore not cultural enemies. Don't compare superstitionist cultural enemies who will never give up to anything else.

The correct strategy for fighting superstitionist enemies is play them against each other along their preferred fault lines.

>>32791854
A sporterized Mosin in use. Neat!

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>>32791854
is he shooting at targets two miles away in heavy winds?

Doing mainly pro SAA updates as little else is going on. Pro SAA claims they have taken another village en route to Al Bab vs IS and the SAA also took the village of Qasimiyah in eastern Ghouta as JAI slowly loses there.

As far as IS reinforcements a separate Deir source from Deir Ezzor 24 has just reported IS groups have arrived at the airport front (and cemetery). I suspect they will attack tonight for another episode of the Deir Ezzor airbase meatgrinder: Part 537, this is the battle that just won't end.

>>32793381
To add to this Deir Ezzor SS is saying Ruaf jets are swarming over city breaking the sound barrier and a Ruaf II-76 has dropped supplies into the besieged airbase. Get hyped, they are getting ready for a attack.

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>>32793511
Lastly a good map of the shit sandwich at Al Bab. SAA entering from the south.

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Pic is a bomblet from armed IS drones.

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>>32793591
I'm seeing something along these lines forming.
The center of dispute will be, clearly, Al-Bab, if the SAA manages to get to Tedef before the turks take the city.

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>TOWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJsDEuFw6F0

>>32794072
Anyway, after Al-Bab, the turks don't have any place to go, unless they want open warfare against the kurds.
The Kweires bulge prevents them from going south, with the SAA having all the good roads and terrain for themselves east of the airbase.

>>32793075
but he reloads faster than you ever will.

Would the US under Trump be more, or less inclined to support the kurds if Erdogan decides he wants to take manjib and/or afrin?

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>>32794130
only 1 (one) truck was busted

Looks like Russian VDV paratroopers made a combat drop onto Deir-ez-Zor. Damn.
And the USAF has started bombing the shit out of Idlib, wow.
Looks like this war is starting to finally come to and end. Gonna laugh very hard if the final battle ends up being in Al-Bab

>>32794531
That's not the USA's problem you retarded kurdaboo faggot.

>>32785178
Leopard manned by FSA vs. T-90 manned by Hezbollah vs. M1A1 manned by Iraqi Army
Who wins?

They are all goatfuckers so you can't use the "muh crew" defense faggots

>>32791084
>ould have provided immediate reinforcements and air support to stop ISIS from taking Mosul in the first place. Pity they weren't there.
Daily reminder that ISIS took full control of Fallujah on January 1st 2014. What could they have done then?

>>32795188
>That's not the USA's problem you retarded kurdaboo faggot.
Turkey is a shit ally of nato, not on par with pakistan but not too far off. Kurdistan is a US supplied proxy and heroized in the news continously.
Would a Trump government tell the kurds to fuck off to the east of the Euphrates or would they actually make some significant objections unlike when Turkey initiated Euphrates Shield in the first place.

>>32795258
T-90 Because hez are actually pretty competent.

Minor updates:
ISIL using the dust storm sweeping over Eastern Syria in order to attack SAA positions in the airport pocket in Deir Ezzor

In other news, Russian government officials have denied the claims that they included Kurdish sovereignty in the new Syrian constitution during the Astana peace talks in Kazakhstan.

>>32794072
I'm not sure about Tadif, but everything south has probably been agreed upon by Russia and Turkey to go to the SAA.

>>32794190
>Anyway, after Al-Bab, the turks don't have any place to go,
They will fight ISIS in Afrin and Kobane canton obviously and free Manbij from isis control.

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>>32795549
>free Manbij from isis control

>>32795473
Its not 2013 anymore. They honestely havent been all too impressive in the last years.

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>>32795473
Oh yes. Beyond repute.

>>32795430
It literally doesn't matter

the plight of some primitive sandpeople against >muh eternal turkish enemy is not our concern and never has been

>>32795430
>shit ally of nato
Turkey is LITERALLY NATO.

>>32795258
your mom.

>>32794578
>truck looked very pakistani

>>32795893
>Turkey is LITERALLY NATO.

Nah. Just a bunch of Ottoman wannabes who shat on Ataturk's dream and will go full theocratic mullocracy eventually.

>>32797164
>Member States of NATO
Albania
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States

>>32795430
It wasn't Erdogan that fucked up the relationship but Obama. When the war started, Erdogan was offering himself up to mediate between Assad and protesters while Obama was saying that Assad had to go and applying pressure on Erdogan to fall in line. Than Obama pussied out and left Erdogan with a war on his border. When refugees started pouring over the border, Erdogan proposed a safe zone and asked for US air support but Obama said no. Than Obama started supporting the Kurds who literally executed two Turkish cops and started a fucking war on Turkey. Obamas' indecision and constant moving of goalposts and objectives without thinking how it affects US allays in the region made Erdogan go out on his own. In prelude to Iraq '03 Erdogan wanted to join Bush, but was blocked by Turkish parliament, the man was a US allay until king nigger tried stringing him along.

Obama was more than incompetent in ME, he fucked up relations with every US allay while failing to make conclusive peace with any of US enemies. Well, except the Syrian Kurds, a poor, landlocked semi communist non-state at war or soon to be at war with all its neighbors. In 2008 Syria and Iran were the only two countries in the ME that were not US allays. Today its KCK and Israel, and even that's only because US paid through to keep one alive and the other one friendly.

>>32797227
>allay
>allay
>allay
What the fuck is this?

>>32797299
>ally

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>>32797402

>>32795584

Thats not hezbollah but a shia militia.

>>32795188
>Looks like Russian VDV paratroopers made a combat drop onto Deir-ez-Zor. Damn.

Source?

>>32798074
>Thats not hezbollah but a shia militia.

Literally the same thing to be fair

Idk why people act like Hezbollah are some Delta Force tier fighting force, its a massive organization, not everyone is going to be their cream of the crop, especially in that part of the world

>>32790207
>>32790247
>>32790677
We definitely won the invasion phase. We removed Saddam from power and captured him shortly afterwards. The insurgency phase? We really screwed the pooch on that one. Our fostering of the Arab Spring also led to the beginning of the Syrian Civil War. We fucked up big time.

>>32798145
>Idk why people act like Hezbollah are some Delta Force tier fighting force
Nobody does this.

> its a massive organization
Yes, like a state within a state, and as such, has everything from militia-tier to spec-ops-tier trained personnel

>>32786972
Iran lost to Iraq during the Iraq -Iran war....... America would stomp Iran within 2 days

>>32800573
That war was the definition of a stalemate dude

>>32800573
Iraq invaded Iran at the start and got it's ass kicked. Then Iran counter-invaded, had a long stalemate, and then was pushed out. It was more a draw than anything else. But considering the war began as an attempt by Iraq to take over a piece of Iran, which they failed to do, I'd give the edge to Iran.

>>32798127
video posted on livemap

>>32800951
>Russian paratroopers are operating in Syria acc. this video (Maybe Deir ez-Zor ? )

lol its just speculation

>>32794072
I don't get why the turks need so much time to capture a little town like Al Bab in the first place. How many IS fighters could possibly defend that place?

>>32799845
>Yes, like a state within a state, and as such, has everything from militia-tier to spec-ops-tier trained personnel

Exactly. But i honestly expect them to give stuff like T-90 tanks only to their most competent tank units.

>>32768154
>http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/new-isis-islamic-state-video-knights-of-bureaucracy-mosul-iraq-wilayat-ninawa-modified-weaponized-drones-bombings-airstrikes-uncensored-video/
Reading the comment section of that article reminded me why I'm happy to take a chance at enlistment. Also made me cringe.

>>32801933
maybe they rely too much on the fsa to do the dirty work? Haven't the turk army mostly had a support role as of now?

>>32801944
Nobody could confirm the smoked T-90 was given to Hezbollah. It could have been another Shia militia, or even just some SAA unit hoistering that flag. They're all fucking Green and Yellow there, may as well claim it was YPG lel

>>32792107
>when that guy is looking at what appears to be his blown off leg

fucking brutal my man

>>32802343
True.

In fact i think it was an SAA tank. I doubt russia actually delivers (T-90) tanks to either the Hezbollah or other Militias. (or is there some proof of that i'm not aware of?)
And i also doubt the SAA would give them one of their new T-90s either. They have more than enough old tanks they want/need to replace first.

>>32802352
there is no "proof" nor "truth" in this war, only shitposts and psyops

>>32787085
if one can say 'democracies', then why cant others say 'communisms' ?

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>>32802343

Actually its Liwa Fatymion

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yemen: howto you evade a drone strike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSX3yhX531s

>>32802976
holy shit

this is one of my favorite threads ever on 4chan, sad to see it always die and get no replies when i'm up and awake

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Moderate rebel is upset cuz regime woke him up, now he stands guard

https://youtu.be/zPOS57bbtk0

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>>32803250

then go to /sg/
theres alot more replies and entertainment minus 5star generals 10/10 posts

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heavy jaish machingunners perforating walls; in order their snipers can hit assadists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OUAFjNRFA

>>32803250
News can be slow, sometimes you run out of shit to talk about. Ask questions. I prefer a slow thread over a shit posting flooding the post limit thread.

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T62 (?) with mild dazzle camo

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>>32804080
more like tacharlie brown

>>32804080
it's a t-55

>>32802976
HMmmm just run in random directions every 30 seconds

>>32790677
>Mission failed
because the mission wasnt clear to begin with

>>32783788
Their military is little more than a glorified police force

>>32783845

10/10

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Sounds like Trump agreed with Putin on basically everything Russia wants: Syria, Ukraine, anti-terrorism, sanctions, and multi-polarity.

>>32782000
Sigh... This is what idiots actually believe.
Keep underestimating the enemy. That's what they want.

>>32805786
He's not actually wrong though.
Like fully kitted out, people in remote villages will literally mistake a soldier for a robot.

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>>32805725
Sounds like Putin agreed with Trump on basically everything Trump wants: Syria, Ukraine, anti-terrorism, sanctions, and multi-polarity

>>32805876
Sure thing - they don't know what a modern soldier looks like but know what a robot is - probably from their favorite japanese anime show.

>>32797204
I know it's "technically" a member of NATO. I was clearly being sarcastic. BTW I've deployed to Turkey and while it's part of NATO its military are useless except in their real role of protecting whoever rules Istanbul at the moment.

>>32803660
Sg is fine. I can't keep this thread up by myself but i'll try. I am more focused on the military aspects of this conflict. It might seem like I pick on the SAA by focusing on IS but they are one's with the most interesting tactics to me. IS has declared war on everyone so there is always something going on with them.

The only major news today was the SAA retaking Wadi Barada/ Damascus water supply and the Jihadists merge in Idlib called Tahrir al-Sham.
There is minor IS vs SAA fighting but nothing of note. I hate to go into politics but all these pro rebel sources are making me sick over their false outrage over Trump today. Never heard much anger over their people's allegiances to Al Qaeda. Between the "rebels" and the Assad government(who didn't care about these terrorists until they started shooting at them) they deserve each other, hopefully banned from entering the US for years to come.

I'm still on Deir Ezzor watch since the false reports of fighting yesterday. It's a really weird blackout in Deir right now. I think everyone wants to see what happens next. It's been a long battle.

>>32808322
http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=59961

SOHR claims IS is about to run from Al Bab as the SAA approaches from the south leaving a Al Bab a toss up from both the SAA and Turkish backed FSA/armed forces.

IS strangely enough holds the cards here by deciding who get's what first. It's going get weird.

>>32807691
I'm not even shitting you right now.
You can believe me or not, but Iraqi's will believe some weird shit.

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>>32809161
iraqis are lightweight compared to /pol/

>Syria: Ancient Citadel of Aleppo reopens for visitors after liberation of city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGRRyP0hUuc

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>>32810280
Ruptly doesn't have any footage of the Palmyra amphitheater being reopened for executions however...
http://aranews.net/2017/01/islamic-state-executes-two-syrian-soldiers-palmyra/

>The group on Saturday executed two of the imprisoned soldiers,” local media activist Armo al-Hussein told ARA News.

>The soldiers were executed by firing squad at the Roman amphitheatre in the ancient Syrian city of Palmyra. Dozens of people have reportedly witnessed the execution on Saturday.

I guess they could rev up the old classical music concert footage but that would bring up some bad memories.

>>32811036
I have seen you for years - and I can now say - you are not an armchair general - you are a pro-Jihad shill. Hope Trump deports your ass )

>>32811305
Sorry to break up the Russian lovefest going on but they did fuck up in Palmyra and if you are going to post some footage from Aleppo this is the direct cost of their victory. It's wasn't me who made the Palmyra concert into a idiot dog and pony show and I warned about IS forces gathering around Palmyra for months. If they didn't know IS was coming they were fucktards.

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>>32811305
>someone posted some news I dont like WAAAAAAHHHHH

go back to your /pol/ hugbox. IS retaking palmyra and using it as a propaganda tool is totally relevant itt.

Early news of a US SF helo raid in Yemen killing 3 senior Al Qaeda members. Old fashion, I like it.

https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/825598874039365634

>>32811462
Further more i have always been in the back, eating popcorn, laughing at both sides. You can't deal with it.

>>32811629
Lastly Step reporting buses arrived this morning to take rebels out of Wadi Barada to Idlib. Another major defeat for Damascus area rebels and the main water supply is back. Eastern Ghouta stands alone and they are already losing. Somehow they still hold Jobar. Don't ask me how.

>>32761649
what optic is that??

>>32765799
that's just fucking hilarious, where do you even find these gems?

>>32773046
pretty sure NSA JTRIG is fucking my PC for watching this shit

filthy American government

>>32774256
wew lad, that's some skill leading targets

>>32811629
sweet

>>32805786
>sigh...

>>>/reddit/

>>32808489
I know who their gonna give it to

But I question if the pullback will happen as soon as SOHR says

>>32811036
Nothing beats Iraq 2014 executions

>>32811587
>tfw you surrender to ISIS

>>32811852
Hard to tell if he's actually hitting them or just them ducking because of the sound

First guy looks like a glancing hit. Next two look like he missed

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https://youtu.be/gY4ZouL-ta8

how does the iraqi army counter commercial drones? Birdshots?

Trump ordered Mattis to make a plan to destroy ISIS.
Problem is : Theres no reliable partner besides the Kurds (and they pisses off Turkey and Assad, and don't wanna invade more territory).
Some ppl talking about the US invading raqqa.

>>32812538
I think that ever since Erdogan became such a wild card they've been looking for alternatives in the area. They might just cut their ties with Turkey and hope that they can rebuild their bases with the Kurds.

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YEMEN

army and people's committees scare off saudi border forces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfzKomTeOVs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9UlUcphhIA

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>>32812557
>the Kurds.

>>32812557
I doubt it, ditching Turkey altogether would be a massive decision, and the Kurds can never come remotely close to being a replacement ally, because they cannot give the US the Bosphorus. That little strip of water is the most important strategic asset Turkey has and the reason they can get away with so much shit without being dumped many times over already.

The Kurds have always been a bit-part player in the region and always will be. What makes them so useful as such to the US is also what makes them useless as potentially anything more: They have little expansionist desire and are only really interested in fighting for what they view as their traditional homelands. Look at how slowly they're advancing on Raqqa and now making little effort to start pushing into more built up areas, it's not Kurdish clay and they're only there due to US pushing so they have no desire to get into the potentially hard/costly fights against IS in the urban areas IS prefers to fight in. Away from 'their' territory they have little use as an ally because they aren't willing to jog on and die for other peoples ideals.
Whilst I'm sure the Kurds would happily give the US a proper airbase in the region in return for ongoing support against whoever, gaining a (landlocked and utterly isolated) luxury airbase and nothing more, other than a new ally in a state of perpetual war in return for losing the Bosphorus in a potential SHTF scenario would be a monumentally bad trade for the US strategically.

>>32800573
No it didn't and almost every country in the world was backing iraq

Wadi Barada is completely captured

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Wadi Barada Village now completly destroyed by Regime-Mafia
https://youtu.be/qShgG6LUZws

FSA withdraws from Wadi Barada towards Idlib
https://youtu.be/VD545UVGuUY
https://youtu.be/6mUURsqnOXQ

>>32811629
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/us-servicemember-killed-in-raid-on-al-qaeda-in-yemen/

>>32813596
>Central Command said an aircraft assisting in the operation experienced a hard landing, resulting in an additional US injury. That aircraft, which a US defense official said was a V-22 Osprey, was unable to fly after the landing and was then intentionally destroyed in place.

osprey claims another victim

>>32814000
what a goofy "aircraft"

>>32814449
new vid?

>>32814467
nah old screenshot, just a noteworthy one.

>>32814500
>>32814500
>>32814500