Defending Against a Chinese Navy of 500 Ships

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http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/january-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/4827-satellite-image-show-a-third-type-055-destroyer-under-construction-in-china.html

>Satellite Image Show a Third Type 055 Destroyer Under Construction in China

>China will have a 500 ship navy
>3/4 of which are non combatants, corvettes or patrol boats

Neat.

sweet, in a few years we are going to go back to Cold War spending and R&D.

while we are at it, i look forward to the new space race

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>>32762186
100 submarines, 100 destroyers/cruisers and frigates, likely 100 amphibious assault ships and up to six carriers is a pretty good number for a navy that only has SCS/ECS combat as its job. All those hundred corvettes and patrol boats are for near-seas ASW and shore protection that will free up their major warships for more demanding missions.

Those sixty 056s to be built (40 completed by now) are not to be underestimated. They are the reason why bigger Chinese warships dont have to patrol their near-seas anymore, but can increasingly conduct far seas patrols.

>>32762329
>i look forward to the new space race
only thing keeping me going, tbf

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>>32762329
Long March 9 will be the shit. 140 tons LEO, which would match the Saturn-V moon rocket.

America would be hard-pressed to up the ante with the SLS.

>>32762586
I wonder if they'll take a page from what SpaceX is doing and we'll start seeing Long March 9R boosters that return and land for reuse?

>>32761597

>implying it's not blatant fear mongering so we spend more on the navy

>>32761597
>all links are American
>chink poster

Naw, they always link chink sites.

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>>32762637
suppossedly, a private chinese space company is trying that.

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>>32762678
IIRC they just signed a contract with some european company to send satellites to space. Not with their reusable rocket, though, since it is not ready.

>>32762678
Have the chinese ever actually innovated? They must be reaching points in their copies now where they're realising 'shit - where do we go now'
I can't see them ever overtaking the west because of this

>>32762695
reusable rockets arent even new tech.

they are common sense, like the wheel.

>>32762695
Then you're shortsighted. In the long run, the US will not be able to compete with China economically or militarily. There isn't anything we can do about this. Even after two devastating wars to prevent German dominion over Europe, they couldn't prevent the inevitable. The only thing left to do is to band together, economically and militarily, and were going the wrong direction on this. As fun as Brexit and Trump's election was, it's taking us down the path of division and decline. Long run, only NATO will be able to stand up to China. A strongly connected US and EU could compete economically. Individually, we're fucked.

>>32762743
Maybe not the current iteration of the EU, but one where the people elect their representatives and the government is strictly limited to a military and economic alliance. Basically, an early US federal system. Maybe they could hold off the federal dominion over European states for 75 or so years as the US did.

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>>32762743
>2017
Shilling this hard for the paper tiger

>>32762825
Not shilling, comrade, I just don't stick my head in the sand.

>>32762743
Look up what happened to China in the 19th century - moves against original policy of isolationism, becomes rich off trade and has a millitary vastly superior in numbers - pisses off global powers which use significantly fewer numbers with breakthrough tactics and technology to go destroy China on the battlefield.
Look up HMS nemesis vs the Chinese fleet for a good naval example.
Revolutionary Hull design renders ship unsinkable - combined with secret construction and deployment leads to nearly entire chinese fleet sunk.

>>32762743
China's economy has already cooled, and Germany's military is so under funded they have to use broomsticks in place of machine guns.

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http://www.eastpendulum.com/mysterieuse-arme-micro-ondes-grande-puissance

A Chinese researcher just won the biggest science award in China for the development of a High Power Microwave weapon system that he was researching for the last six years, with the first test conducted in 2010.

Think of a directed EMP-beam that can destroy the electronics of incoming missiles. The US equivalent would be the CHAMP missile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electronics_High_Power_Microwave_Advanced_Missile_Project

But it seems that the Chinese system would be a shipborne directed energy weapon to defeat anti-ship missiles, and not a turbojet powered e-bomb missile as the Champ, even though this technology would also make it possible.

If anything, this would be a gamechanger in naval warfare. Maybe this will bring back naval gunbattles as primary modes of naval combat.

>>32762866
and yeah 2017 uk will send type 45 and halfaway through the open seas it will gonna brake down..


AGAIN

>>32762743
The US is pretty robust though. China has a political system that is supported as far as it is able to care for its people. China has 4 times the population, that means 4 times as much food needed, 4 times as many consumer goods needed, 4 times as many people that would be struck by unemployment or hunger during a war.
They would implode internally if they tried to pull a major war on foreign soil. The US would be unable to invade them either though, but that doesn't really matter with a total nuclear advantage.

>>32762866
The thing is though, unlike then, is that China is rapidly matching the technology level and scrapping old equipment as fast as they can build the modern replacements.

It won't be Europe style warships vs Chinese junks.

It will be modern Destroyers vs modern Destroyers.

Shits different.

>>32762866
China was backwards for so long primarily due to the lack of peer competitors in their region. They had no need to develop new technologies for the sake of fighting rebels and horse nomads, hence which is why they didnt progress that much since the 15th century.

This thinking has completely changed after their past century of getting stepped on by literally every small power with a few gunboats in their possession.

>>32762866
China was hopelessly backwards and had no modern industry or weapons at the time. Now China is only mostly backwards and their industrial capacity is significant. Give it another 40 years. Hopefully no fighting breaks out.

>>32762911
you assume that in the face of a nuclear switch china will just openly accept any hit on their ground without launching anything eh...

love those kind of talks that it goes down to hurr durr nukes end of story hurr durr

>>32762899
They fixed that didn't they?
The UK have also said they're deploying a carrier group of Astute - T26/T23 and T45s with new carriers to the south china sea so we'll just wait and see how that goes.
>>32762919
>>32762925
>>32762922
China surpassed the powers in regards to industrial output and wasn't far behind regarding technological prowess - what i'm pointing out is that China is and always has been a paper tiger that gets out innovated and loses.

>>32762919
>>32762922
>>32762925
You guys might want to take turns, I know you are desperate for your 50 cents but it really undercuts your message.

>>32762891
This strategy is pretty good. Concentrate in developing next generation weapons, where everyone is basically on an equal technological stage due to it being cutting edge, while slowly working their way up in traditional technologies where the Western lead is undisputable due to their centuries of experience.

Quantum science is basically the same. This is a cutting edge field that is paradoxially quite simple for China to achieve world-class level, since it is a new field that requires little experience and previous tech like metallurgy, which would be hard for China to catch up with.

>>32762941
they keep "fixing" them since march....
but you know uk being uk
just like the recent hilarious miss fire of the trident that went towards usa instead of the open sea..

>>32761123
>start carrier group across the pacific
>get nuked

>>32762958
>Quantum science is basically the same. This is a cutting edge field that is paradoxially quite simple for China to achieve world-class level,

Yes we have already seen North Korean tier claims of Chinese accomplishments.

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>>32762958
China's metallurgy and material science is improving.

The West has slapped many tech embargoes against China, such as the ban on exports of high strength carbon fibers like the T-800 or T-1000, and also banned the tech-transfer for high-strength steel.

In both cases, China made technological breakthroughs last year; first; the capability to manufacture better T-800 class carbon fibers for 3rd the costs:

http://m.guancha.cn/tieliu/2017_01_19_390143

>>32763007
Quantum Radars are a real thing, though. Lockheed is also working on them.

And their quantum satellite has western cooperation which collaborate with their findings.

>>32762938
But the chinks wouldn't be able to retaliate if the US decides to launch a warning nuke. They have what, 300 nukes? And they are even stored away from their launch vehicles, so a retaliation would take hours/days. Even a barrage of cruise missiles would be able to strike most of them out of the fight.

>>32763044
You mean the satellite that evolved from being an experiment in quantum sciences to a fully functional quantum radar.

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>>32763049
There are no sudden nuke attacks in real life. Not between USA and China.

At the onset of hostilities, which can be weeks or month before, China has ample time to ready their nukes.

Such as now, where China has deployed two DF-41 brigades in Northeast China, bordering Russia.

https://www.rt.com/news/374874-china-icbm-russia-border/

>China reportedly deploys ICBMs near Russia’s border

>>32763065
They are not related.

The satellite is developed by the Chinese Academy of Science, while the quantum radar is from the CETC 14th Institute, which is a military establishment.

Only because they have "quantum" in name, doesnt mean they are related in any way.

>>32763083
At least you acknowledge the propaganda was hilarious.

>>32763049
yeah well few problems with that plan of yours

1)you assume that china wont have any nukes on alert in the case of an imminent war...
2)even 30 nukes is enough considering that most of them are mirvs remember on a nuke war no one actually wins everyone looses
3)you assume the chinese A/A system (which we dont know squat about them only that they are a copy of 91n6e and probably they already have an even advanced version...)is literally shit and wont be able to detect anything coming towards them..
4)if any west country nuke capable launch a nuke on a russian ally rest assure they wont hesitate to open fire all bets are off and the shit will surely go down to the one country that opened fire..
5)nato will retaliate calling it an act of aggression
6)im pretty sure uk will fire first but they will probably hit iceland instead of russia..

anyway you get the point whoever launches a nuke to china or china to usa the world is gonna end one way or another
so let us stick to less tactical ways of killing people

>>32763133
>anyway you get the point

That you are suffering from dunning kruger.

>>32763133

Try using punctuation and facts. You'll get a lot further than by just sperging out like this.

>>32763165
try to type on a smartphone while having hulk like fingers

>>32763133
Why do you have the exact same grammar and strange punctuation/use of elipses as that one Russian poster on /pol/ claiming to be a Chinese man on a VPN?

>>32761123
Yeah, but those are Chinese ships, so how many are going to sink on their own.

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>>32763204
Nice meme, but how many Chinese ships had to be towed through the Panama canal because of engine breakdown?

>>32763276
How many chinese military ships traversed the Panama canal?

>>32761123
>73 amphibious ships,
Meh

> 102 destroyers and frigates.

The vast majority being frigates.

>>32763283
At least five fleets during their visits of the US in the past decade.

But in terms of distance, it would be like Chinese ships traversing the Malacca Strait.

And Chinese warships do that for decades.

>>32763169
>my hands are UGE
Donald, is that you?

>>32763292
China nowadays has already 40 Frigates and 31 destroyers, so I wouldnt call that "overwhelming" in favor of frigates.

In the end, China would have about 50/50 destroyers and frigates.

>>32763325
So five fleets.

Wew.

>But in terms of distance, it would be like Chinese ships traversing the Malacca Strait.

Ahh, that assumes it was outbound, it was not, it was returning.

Furthermore, are you stateing chinese ships do not experience engineering casualties?

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>>32763361
Breakdown would be;

32 054A and 10 older 053H3 Frigates, with around 38+ Destroyers by 2020 (only modern/ized DDGs, without the old Ludas which might be replaced by then.

As much as 4-8 055s could be built by 2020.

>>32763361
Its 50 frigates and around 30 destoryers.

The vast majority of the chinese fleet is subchasers, missile/gunboats, and obsolete subs.

>>32763389
They still have not retired their 53's yet.

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>>32763410
Yeah, they will probably serve on alongside the 056/A's for coastal ASW patrol.

They were upgraded with HHQ-10 lately, replacing their Crotales, as well as modern CIWS replacing the previous 37mm AAAs.

Far from ideal, they still provide a helicopter hangar, which would be useful to accompany the 056's that do not have those.

>>32763401
>The vast majority of the chinese fleet is subchasers, missile/gunboats, and obsolete subs.

That meme again.

Show me a Chinese "subchaser". There is literally none in service anymore.

Those that would likely fit the bill are ASW corvettes equipped with at least TASS, or a TASS/VDS combo, as well as long range ASW cruise missiles.

And which "gunboat" do you mean? Type 022s? These are missile FACs.

>>32763446
To get to a modern destoryer navy they got to cut about 20 of the old 51's, early 52's and that russian junk soviermemes.

Then, they have to get rid of the metric fuckton of dead weight tied up in obsolete classes.

In the spirt of the thread, the USN deals with the chinese by business as usual. They are already putting out more tonnage per year, and already have about 100 cruisers/destoryers alone.

>>32763401
China exactly has 20 obsolete subs out of 67 in total.

17 Ming-class SS and 4 Han-class SSNs.

>>32763462
Gunboat is the type 062I.

Subchaser is the type 037.

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>>32763338
you caught me dirty boy

>>32763518
how can one chicom be so btfo with one post?

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>>32763518
Hardly the majority.

Six 037s in service to the HongKong garrisson for anti-smuggler work, and 17 Shanghai-class patrol boats for assorted coasted patrol units.

Compare that to the 80 Type 022 FACs, which are making up far more bulk of the little critters in the PLAN.

>>32762899
>>32762941
>>32762976

The Type 45 power problem is a complex one, but it comes with the nature of advanced technology.

There's a series of problems that have caused reliability issues among the class. However, they have continued to deploy throughout the world and at no point a Type 45 has had failed a deployment or been forced to return to a port because of power issues.

>just like the recent hilarious miss fire of the trident that went towards usa instead of the open sea..

The missiles are jointing maintained by the US and UK, among a shared pool. 158 Trident II D-5 missiles test-fired since late 1989. There have only been 6 failures. The missile did not veer off into the US, it was always intend towards the US, as that's the test range is.

>>32763552
can you stop replying to your own post?

Even the notoriously slowpoke Wikipedia disagrees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_People's_Liberation_Army_Navy_ships

>>32763563
47 gunboats in active service.

126 type 62s in service

80 odd houbei

that would constitute a majority

>>32763570
the test was being conducted 12 miles off florida and it was suppose to hit at S/W of south africa

>>32763576
>everyone that calls me out on getting btfo is the same person

k

also your link verifies what he said

>The vast majority of the chinese fleet is subchasers, missile/gunboats, and obsolete subs.

and that's not even counting the obsolete subs

>>32763612

No it wasn't.

It was aimed at Eastern Test Range (ETR), off Port Canaveral, Florida.

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>>32763608
>>32763625
Those are missile crafts, not subchasers.

Subchasers are nearly all decommissioned.

>>32763655
>The vast majority of the chinese fleet is subchasers, missile/gunboats

are you literally retarded?

>>32763641
thats strange..

who is lying here uk said the missile was being conducting a LEO attack 5600km away and they were 12 miles out of florida..

>>32763663
>vast majority

still not the vast majority. 80 022s, some 40+ 037 missile FACs, and only 17 Type 062.

Can you even into math?

And there is nothing wrong with missile crafts.

>>32763676

No, the UK has said nothing. It is government policy that they do not comment on Continuous At Sea Deterrent.

>>32763703
*missile craft

Craft is the plural you're looking for.

Also there's alot wrong with them, they have limited anit air capability, little to no ciws, and only cater to the idea of a swarm saturation attack. The best way to counter them is a strong naval air arm.

The US and JSDF can deal with them quickly, they would only be useful against the Indians.

>>32762825
CHINARRR WILL GROW RARRRGEERRRR

>>32763703
vs. 31 056 FFL, 23 054 FFG, 10 053H3 FFG, 30 DDGs of all variants, 40 modern submarines etc.

>>32763737
>The US and JSDF can deal with them quickly, they would only be useful against the Indians.

Which is why the Japanese also have a shitload of FACs, right?

There is nothing wrong with FACs, as they are operating in packs and are protected by friendly SAM and air-cover.
They are for bolstering the missile salvoes of existing SAGs.

>>32763704
normally i would have agreed but given WHEN this failure occured (days before the goverment started to discuss about the future of the trident) this is why it has become such a news..

also Julian Lewis already told publicly that it was him that told the press what went wrong

>>32763759
And the JSDF also has a shit ton of fighters to defend them, the PLAN aren't protected by SAMs that can effectively stop US or JSDF aircraft dispite what the 50cent shills will say. US EW and stealth are still not something the PLAAN or PLAAF can counter.

>>32763389
Future PLAN fleet of 500 ships would break down along that number:

100 principal surface warships (50 DDGs, 50 FFGs)
100 submarines (60 SSK, 30 SSN, 10 SSBN)
100 Corvettes and older FFs and DDs (as many as 60 056s are confirmed, rest would be modernized 053s and the older 052/051B,051s etc)
100 Missile crafts and patrol boats, the old non-missile equipped boats will be decommissioned.
100 Amphibious, Minehunter and Supply ships

>>32763815
how do you know that china doesnt have already the technology to detect any stealth meme?

>>32763815
>the PLAN aren't protected by SAMs that can effectively stop US or JSDF aircraft

proofs.

Seriously, you are just being retareded now.

Especially Japanese aircraft are all pretty crap and obsolete to say the least.

China has nothing to fear from 30 years old F-15Js that are falling apart, as well as some 80 odd F-2s that have cracking wings.
I'd even say that the JASDF will be defeated by the PLAAF alone. China completely overpowers the Japanese airforce in terms of numbers and also quality of modern assets.

>>32763764
>normally i would have agreed but given WHEN this failure occured (days before the goverment started to discuss about the future of the trident) this is why it has become such a news..

They are scheduled years in advance and because it didn't necessarily pertain to the debate, the vote was only over the submarines and not the missile system.

Subsequent test have been run since the failure and they have been successful.

>also Julian Lewis already told publicly that it was him that told the press what went wrong

No, he did not. He only gave a statement related to the test. He did not give details for what went exactly wrong.

>>32762743
Chinese demographic bomb detonates soon.

http://oecdobserver.org/news/archivestory.php/aid/40/China,_a_demographic_time_bomb.html

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>>32763491
China's Sovremenny DDGs are getting modernized as well.

They get a complete overhaul with VLS replacing the arm-launchers, and YJ-12A replacing the Moskits. And they also get modern CIWS with HHQ-10 and Type 1130 replacing the AK630 and Kashtans.

>>32763885
pretty bullshit, especially since China is moving towards automatization as well.

Also;

https://news.ku.edu/2016/11/22/study-finds-chinas-missing-girls-theory-likely-far-overblown

>China's 'missing girls' theory likely far overblown, study shows

Chinese investments can be instantly nationalized in a war. What rich elite would burn his own parachute?

Not a new idea. Nazifags and Hirohitofags BTFO in WWII with the stroke of a pen. They'd lose all their real estate and everything else.

Hybrid war FTW.

Future looks really good for Indian Pajeets taking business away from China too. They already make a shitload of automotive parts used globally. I don't walk in their DSS so not my problem.

>>32761123
They're all made of paper.

Chinese paper which is extra weak.

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>>32763892
It's kinda funny to think that chances are that the modernized Type 051B class will be stronger than the modernized Sovs.

Same number of VLS, but sixteen YJ-12As instead of only eight.

>>32764050
It seems that 16 AShMs seems like a waste of space better put to multi use VLS.

>>32763892
For what purpose? Those things are ancient, non stealthy (yeah yeah, muh ship stealth, but still) and lack fire power.

Use them for target practice or sell them to Pakistan.

>>32764121
Pretty much this. Kind of a terrible ship overall. Compared to even chinese designs.

>>32763703
>still not the vast majority

By your OWN link that you used as 'proof'

>>32763576

Those three classes alone make up 253 vessels out of a fleet of 415. That IS the vast majority you fucking halfwit.

>>32764121
They are the fastest ships in the PLAN, with their 35 knots due to their steam engines. And the large 8000 ton hull also promises good sea-keeping and endurance.

The PLAN used them as sort of cruisers for long range patrols.

>>32764211
>They are the fastest ships in the PLAN

Wrong.

>>32764176
You dont seem to know what "vast majority" means.

And again, there is nothing wrong with missile crafts.
Seriously, why is this even an argument? If anything, you should be worried that China has over 150 missile crafts arounds, each with 180km ranged AShMs.

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>>32764211
Who cares about their speed? They can be spotted from a continent away, besides the job of a destroyer is to keep up with this one, which sure as hell wont be doing 35 knots.

>>32764249
The Liaoning actually was spotted by the Taiwanese navy surveillance doing 30+ knots for 10 hours east of Taiwan during last month's cruise.

>>32764238
60% is a pretty big majority, and thats including auxiliaries.

The problem with the crafts is their missiles are nothing but bait, and their self defense capabilitys are minimal.

>>32764232
Well, the 022s do not count as they do not have endurance on their own.

>>32764238
>60% is not vast majority

k

Just because you got BTFO by your own sources doesn't mean you get to act like a little bitch.

>And again, there is nothing wrong with missile crafts.

No one said otherwise you mongoloid. You're just rectal ravaged that you managed to shit all over your own argument and you're being called out on it.

>>32764269
>nothing but bait

If their missiles are nothing but bait, most of American and Japanese ships are equipped with nothing but bait.

022s have eight YJ-83s and older 037s have six. All together they can unleash couple of hundred AShMs while operating under cover of larger ships and air-power that makes up their lack of defenses (022s actually are equippe with CIWS, but whatever).

>>32764282
Not vast majority. About bit more than the half are missile crafts. And the other half is still more than any other Navy in total aside of the USN.
Do you even have any idea how many "200 ships" are?

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>>32764269
>>32764282

The USN disagrees with your notions.

And this was 2015.

There is no "vast majority" being subchasers and missile crafts.

>>32761123
WSJ is behind a paywall, can you post it?

>>32764313
>And the other half is still more than any other Navy in total aside of the USN.

The Russian Navy has more than 300 ships active right now.

How can you possibly be so wrong with absolutely everything?

>>32764305
>all together

Will never happen realistically, due to the fact that not all will be available or the simple logistical problems associated with getting that many ships together.

Halriously enough the harpoon would be far more effective against the 022 than the other way around vs an actual warship

>>32763848
Because the shills keep posting bullshit on how they can detected everything with "quantom radar"

>>32763864
How about literally no counter to US stealth? How about no counter to a US CBG? (DF21 meme turned out to be shit over and over again)

>implying the F2s are all broken
>implying F15js are shit
>forgetting about JSDF F-35s

Meanwhile in the Chink internet factory, Dongho just realized his shitposting was horrible, and he hopes his sergeant doesn't rape him behind the desk again.

>>32764370
And how many are missile boats and auxiliaries?

Seriously, the Russian navy is a joke in terms of large tonnage ships.

>>32764339
How does a ship ident guide mean anything, again?

China has like, 5 classes of destoryers, most of them less than 5 each, iirc.

>>32764388
>goalpost moving for the fifth time this thread

This is just boring.

>>32764372
>implying the F2s are all broken
They are pretty shit, which is why their order has been cut to only 80 and no further. Their readiness also seems to be pretty shit, which is why you barely see them patroling against China or Russia - just those overworked F-15Js

>implying F15js are shit

Not shit, but obsolete in terms of avionics and weapons, as well as reaching the end of their lifetime.

>forgetting about JSDF F-35s

how many? 40 by 2025?

Sorry, but by that time, China will have over 100 J-20s.

>>32764400
No, same standards applied like you did before.

>hurrdurr missile boats do not count! I completely ignore that the other half of China's fleet are still more than similiar navies in total.

>>32764425
>hurrdurr missile boats do not count!

Literally never said.

How do you even make this shit up? Do you honestly believe only one person is talking to you and pointing out that you're full of shit?

>>32764425
A big part of that other have is auxiliaries too, friend.

The US generally does not count the USNS towards its ship count.

>>32764398
China's premiere classes of destroyers are getting mass-produced, though. six 052C, 18 052D under construction and more ordered (5 in service). Those classes that are sub-five hulls were the old classes that served more like technology testbeds.

>>32764449
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mine_warfare_vessels_of_the_United_States_Navy

Minesweepers are still USS.

And for the PLAN, the AOR/AOEs also make just a fraction of the larger-than-missile-boat fleet.

Corvettes and Frigates, as well as SSKs make the majority of that fleet in the PLAN.

>>32764498
A navy of frigates is a poor navy indeed

>>32764479
Ok. What does that have to do with an ident guide being shit for total numbers?

>>32764617
German frigates are bigger than other nations destroyers, the word is meaningless and it will become even more meaningless as more and more systems on ships are automated, reducing the crew and thus size of the ship further.

>>32764633
The topic is PLA anon, and thier frigates are not abnormally large.

>>32763133
A point of order: China has a total of 68 that can effectively hit the US main land ( more if you count hitting the tip of Washington state .

DF-5A 20 in arsenal
DF-31A 24 in arsenal
JL-2 24 in arsenal

They have ~260 warheads in a mix of useable and non usable states.

Nuclear war is NOT their plan A in the event of a war. If it was those numbers would be way higher.

>>32764498
>Minesweepers are still USS.

All 11 of them?

I mean, there are a fuckton of sealift ships the USN dont count either.

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>>32762876
>Germany's military is so under funded they have to use broomsticks in place of machine guns.
Doesn't matter we rule Europe anyway

>>32762987
>nuking americans

>>32763028
Jesus christ, just speak chinese.

So the chi-com fleet of 500 will be massively out numbered by even the existing US fleet? Is this correct?

>>32762695
Asia is a region of copy and paste and improve upon.

China used to be superior to the West, but due to changes in Empires wiping out the history and records of the old empires, we now have the China it is today: kinda shit.

However, I say "kinda shit" because China isn't 100% shit. I'll comment what a friend told me about their advancements in technology.

Take a look at their shinkansen. They took a look at various advanced technologies from around the world including Kawasaki's export Shinkansen they offered. China fused the technologies of Kawasaki and Bombardier and created something fairly impressive within a very short amount of time.

It's like taking a Toyota Corolla and turning it into a Ferrari the next day. Something like that. Others told me China took out a lot of safety measures from their own domestic copy, and that the accidents that followed it were supposedly "proof" that they were shit. However, they're half wrong.

It wasn't that the train was shit, it was in fact mostly attributed to human error. HQ did not do their job properly when it came to monitoring train traffic and there was incompetence within the ranks of CHSR operators.

In Japan, being a shinkansen operator is a very big responsibility and only the highest ranking train operators can become one. Work discipline is also key to Japan's nearly non-existent accidents involving trains for decades.

Work discipline was shit for China and so was choosing the instructions which resulted in such huge fatal accidents so easily.

Point is, hardware of Chinese military tech has potential and it could be very well be good. The issue is work ethic and how trained the crew is. Don't underestimate China just like how to a certain degree, America underestimated the Japanese during the war. Reminder that China is much larger than Japan and approximately same size as America. China has many key natural resources and millions of people unlike Japan.

>>32762825
China has been Generous.

>>32764411
>F2
>anti maritime strike fighter
>doing patrols that F-15J's do.

Neat.

>J-20's
>being useful over Japan

Neat.

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>>32766001
China has big generals

>>32762695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-CWz8nAFgs

>>32762743
>we
Why fucking bother trying to act like one of us?

>>32762743
cool story schlomo
>50 goyim have been removed from your cisjordanian settlement

>>32768492
For EU

>>32764249
Why are extra planes photo shopped onto the deck?

>>32763906
>China's 'missing girls' theory likely far overblown, study shows

A study based on 'belief' and 'what might have happened'.

The only thing I'm getting from your link is that we can't trust official Chinese population numbers.

>>32761597
>Wsj
>pro-Chinese ever

>talking about bullets and bombs
>when the one who actually embraces globalization will win in the end.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/01/24/communist-china-is-now-the-leader-of-the-free-trade-world/

>>32762586
We shouldn't worry.
Obama has set us so far back in the space race, we will never catch up now....ever.
That nigger (and I don't use that lightly) really fucked our shit up.
And he did it on purpose, and with a smile.
He really hates us.

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here a quick rundown

>USA bow to the China
>in contact with aliens
>rumoured to possess psychic abilities
>control france with an iron fist
>own castles and rusty Kuznetsovs hulls all over the world
>direct descendants of the ancient chinese blood line
>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Chinkograd will be be the first city)
>in the process of terraforming Pluto as their personal planet
>own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth
>first designer babies will be chinese Babies
>all chinese said to have 400+ IQ
>ancient Indian scriptures tell of slant eyed angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>These are the chinese
>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have chinabots inside you right now
>Every child has the mark of the chink implanted in them at birth
>The chinese are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church
>Discovered the ark of the covenant
>They learn fluent mandarin in under a week
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the chinese. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. China
>The chinese will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love
>pic related the Phonecall that ruins the USA

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>>32771119
>Why are extra planes photo shopped onto the deck?

>>32773178
?
Theres literally no fucking competition for SpaceX or Blue Origin, noone has even attempted reusable rockets, certainly China is not ahead in any way.

It has nothing to do with obongo, the Space Shuttle was the problem, that started in the fucking 70's

Obongo actually didn't do anything with NASA, which is something he could rightfully be faulted for, but he was just a puppet and had little real authority

>>32772452
These lugenpresse sites need to all be shut down

>>32762899

Can't help it breaking down when it uses US parts.

>>32762911

>4x as much food

Not really. US populace isn't going to subside off chicken scratch and rice with a side of grass like Chinese people are willing to do. They might 'potentially' need more but the US diet results in such excessive levels of waste that the Chinese could probably live off an equal amount of food to the US despite 3x the population.

>4 times as many consumer goods

Not really. Their middle class is tiny and the working class doesn't need that shit. They are happy with a bag of rice and $3 a day. That's literally how the steel mills ran for years.

>unemployment

Guess what happens when a country goes to a major war? Because unemployment tends to lead to / follow on from a major war.

China isn't interested in an international conflict with the US. That's why their entire naval focus is coastal frigates and corvettes with AshMs.

They plan to fight a defensive war if one comes around. Not an offensive one.