>THE US ARMY is retiring the standard-issue Beretta M9 after

>>32760601
I think you are a slowpoke.

>>32760601
I think that's a gun


And it will kill hadjis

>>32760601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXwgQmqp1hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyBfrf7iitA

Looks fun to shoot. Other than that, just one of your run of the mill 9mm handguns.

>>32760601
This has been a thread 10 times in the last 5 days. Just let it fucking die

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>>32760601
a shit.

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>>32760601

>>32760615
the modularity is the one thing that sets it apart and it's a decently practical feature.

>>32760601
They're making a huge mistake

This change is literally being made to accomodate to females and limp wristed faggots. Sig Saur makes garbage and I promise you it'll backfire on the Army.

Cap this.

>>32760948

>>32760948
Sig Saur has been in the US army as a service pistol for decades with the M-11, you idiot.

>>32760973
I'm talking about the p320 faggot

The slide is at least 80% larger than it needs to be for a striker fired pistol. Its a piece of fucking junk and the Army is seriously going to regret buying this fake modularity snake oil they keep pushing.

I hope in 2027 they unfuck their armories and pick a better fire arm that isnt an over blown hi-point

>>32760601
We know nigger, now fuck off

>>32760945
How in the fuck is that practical in a military application? When you're dealing with the "best and brightest" of our nation, less parts=more better.

I dont know, maybe I'm just pissy about the whole thing. The exorbitant amount of taxpayer money spent on something that has a 0.0000001% affect on our ability to wage effective war seems fucking retarded.

>>32760601
Fucking fudd guns win again
Who is in charge of making these decisions anyways?

>>32760997
>t.someone who's never shot a Sig let alone a P320

>>32761021
The M9s are beat to shit and need a replacement, and it's not like a huge amount of money is being spent to replace them.

>>32760948
Why would I get a blocky sig for small hands. A springfield xd would be much better

>>32760997
I'm talking about the pilum faggot

The spike is at least 80% larger than it needs to be for a piercing weapon. Its a piece of fucking junk and the SPQR is seriously going to regret buying this fake shield-piercing snake oil they keep pushing.

I hope in 227 BC they unfuck their armories and pick a better pole arm that isnt an over blown arrow tip

>>32760997
>I'm talking about the p320 faggot

No, faggot, you very clearly said "Sig Saur makes garbage and I promise you it'll backfire on the Army", when the army already has a sig saur pistol in active service, it has been in active service, and it has not backfired at all.

>>32761021
>maybe I'm just pissy about the whole thing
sauer grapes

I mean even their M16s have metal receivers.

>>32761030
Its shit
it has a shit trigger and its designed for women
shut the fuck up

>>32761056
>t-this small batch of sig saur guns, that have never been fired, sent to this obscure branch i cant name, have NEVER failed
gee i wonder why

>>32761105
>it has a shit trigger
Funny as I have both a G19 and a P320C and the P320C is much better.
>and its designed for women
Stop talking out of your ass.

>>32760997
I'm talking about the AER9 faggot

The lens frame is at least 80% larger than it needs to be for a laser pistol. Its a piece of fucking junk and the Army is seriously going to regret buying this fake Laser bullshit snake oil they keep pushing.

I hope in 2077 they unfuck their armories and pick a better energy weapon that isn't an over blown Wattz 1000

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>>32760601
>The picked the wrong pistol... again...

>>32761105
>Small batch
>sent to this obscure branch i cant name

Every single pilot, either helicopter or plane carries one as a service pistol. (barring secret squirrel units like SOAR).

You would know that if you were not an ignorant nigger.

>>32761136
>Energy weapon fags.
We should have never stopped using the 10mm N99s.

>>32761105
Whoa!! It's like the Navy used obscure MK25s for multiple decades!

>>32761114
Its an exploded, hammerless p250, a gun designed to be hammer fired, but Sig Saur decided to scam the market by changing nothing about its design and reintroducing the pistol as the 320.

Let me repeat this part:
The p320 has a slide designed to fit a hammer. It is larger and heavier than it needs to be.
The US Army picked this gun because women can handle it. Simple as that.

>>32761021
The Army is paying $350 apiece for the p320, and thanks to the "modularity"
Nearly everything on the pistol can be replaced for under $100, unlike the M9s

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>>32761179
>larger and heavier than needed

>better suited for women

It's as if you're trying to contradict yourself

I would like to point out that I purchase supplies at le/security store called MD Charleton which has several trained Smith and Wesson, Sig, and Glock technicians. they're all currently in agreement that the sigp320 is the most accurate and has the best follow up shots out of our locally used service pistols. The ones they've shot were just brought there by Sig marketing as far as I know. That's out of the MnP, p226, 17 and amazingly the model 10. my own model 10 is kind of a joke compared to anything modern though just wanted to throw that in because it's what I'm forced to use atm. Annoyingly they only had .40 groups to show me because that's what the one tech was going to buy so I didn't see the 9mm groups but shut they're probably similar.

>>32761153
>pilots
>seeing sidearm use
thanks for proving me right

>>32761165
he said the m-11, not the mk25 the seals REPLACED btw

>>32761245

How exactly does a large batch of sig pistols being used for a long time prove you "right"?

Its also used by investigative services and other shit needing a compact pistol.

Are you actually saying these pistols are never, ever trained with?

>>32761179
I'm sure there was a point to your little diatribe but all I got was-
>RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32760948

>mad glockfags

sorry your horrible design is so prone to ND's and limpwristing. Looks like macho bullshit about "you need more training" only works on cop worshipping fudds, and the US Army is not as vulnerable to hard salesmanship and freebies as shitty local police departments.

>>32761235
It fits a womans hand better but its still heavy. It also needs a stupidly heavy slide to reduce recoil, something anyone without limp wrists doesnt need (aka most of infantry and other combat personnel).

So it weighs down everyone else while the brass is satisfied that it fits the hands of people who will never fire it

>>32761245
Replaced after around 20 years of service and I know he was talking about the M11, you said sig makes garbage, which doesn't make sense when the 226 has seen plenty of combat.

>>32761270
>So it weighs down everyone else

It weighs less than an M9, you worthless faggot.

>>32761241
They werent
.40 ballistics are worthless sonce nobody uses that caliber

>>32761256
Its used too rarely to ever call them reliable. And no, they are not properly trained with. Stop putting so much faith in POGs ability to shoot and the Army's ability to teach.

>>32761258
You shouldnt post without making some kind of point.

>>32761267
It has nothing do with Glock. I really dont care if the FNX or the VP9 or the 17 gen5 was picked, as long as it wasnt this hunk of junk.

>>32761320
>And no, they are not properly trained with.

lel

Welp, cant argue with that ignorance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival,_Evasion,_Resistance_and_Escape

>>32761279
The 226 isnt the 228, no matter how hard you want it to be. I wasnt talking about the NOW REPLACED 226 anyways.

>>32761289
It can weigh even less if it wasn't such a pile of garbage. Again, this has nothing to with what I prefer to replace the M9.

>>32761320
Your only argument against this gun is based purely on opinion, your opinion that SIG makes terrible guns and that the slide of the p320 is somehow inappropriate for a striker fired pistol.

Sure sounds like autistic screeching to me.

>>32761345
>>>32761279 (You)
>The 226 isnt the 228, no matter how hard you want it to be. I wasnt talking about the NOW REPLACED 226 anyways.
It's like you can't even read.

>>32761345

So the slide is stupidly heavy, even though it weighs a fuckton less than the pistol it is replaceing.

HHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

it seems you have no idea what you are talking about anon.

>>32761340
>"Most SERE training focuses on survival and evasion"
>nothing in the curriculum about weapons training"
Holy shit thanks for proving me right again! I'm sure they get to fire a gun once in a blue moon, though.

>>32761267
>the US Army is not as vulnerable to hard salesmanship and freebies as shitty local police departments
no, they mostly take suitcase-sized bribes instead

>>32761345
Alot of good fire arms have been replaced in service simply because they became worn out and the needs of that group had changed. The p226 being replaced does not mean it was a bad service pistol.

>>32761179
>The US Army picked this gun because women can handle it. Simple as that.

When women handle the M9 just fine and this gun kicks harder due to being lighter.

Anon, the time to stop has come. Git on back to /pol/. Having an opinon is fine, being ignorant and having one is not.

Now git.

>>32761021
>How in the fuck is that practical in a military application?

frame breaks: pop out trigger group, put in new frame, instantly serviceable.
part of the trigger group breaks: pop out trigger group, service exposed trigger group rather than fiddling inside the frame or just replace whole group without having to disassemble and reassemble a frame.

how can you not see the benefit? do you even own and mantain a gun?

>>32761415
>how can you not see the benefit? do you even own and mantain a gun?

No, the guy has been wrong and retarded all thread.

>>32761355
it's an objective fact that this gun was designed with a hammer in mind. And they bought it because the military want to accomodate to the increaingly weaker and smaller influx of recruits.

My -opinion- is that its a plain striker fired 9 that has too many gimmicks and design flaws for my interest.

>>32761415

with the damn prices of the conversion kits i'd say the modularity is almost useless to the regular civilian consumer, but perfect for an organization that's going to have a huge number of guns

>>32761021
its more important than your education or healthcare :)

>>32761054
Underrated Post vote

>>32761447
Honestly it's p useful, I bought a compact and when I got my cc I swapped the frame for a subcompact frame and it still works with my compact holster.

>>32761444
>accomodate to the increaingly weaker and smaller influx of recruits.

The gun is smaller and less heavy than the M9, which small and weak people use just fine.

Kill yourself.

>>32761444
>>>32761355
>it's an objective fact that this gun was designed with a hammer in mind.
Okay
>And they bought it because the military want to accommodate to the increasingly weaker and smaller influx of recruits
Nah

>>32761357
>>32761390
The 226 WAS a good gun. The 320 will never be. Happy now?

>>32761359
Its still too heavy for a basic bitch polymer 9 in 2017.

>>32761394
>Women handle the M9 fine
lol... just, lol

>>32761415
>frame breaks
>replace with frame that costs almost as much as the gun
>small part in trigger group breaks
>replace with part that costs almost as much as the gun
youre retarded

>>32761021
>I dont know, maybe I'm just pissy about the whole thing.

The manstruation just rolls off your posts. You don't care if the Sig works or not. You are just angry. It's a pistol FFS. Pistols are mostly for people too lazy to carry a rifle.

>>32761453
False choice fallacy. Troll harder kid.

>>32760613
This.

>>32760601
would be better if they didnt force a safety on it

>>32761500
the army doesn't pay anywhere near consumer prices, kiddo.

>>32761500
You do realize the frame is like $30 right? It's probably even cheaper in bulk.
>The 320 will never be.
considering its already popular with LEOs and civilians I'd say it's pretty good.

>>32761500
>lol... just, lol

Oh, so they will handle the recoil of the lighter P320 worse.

Good job, you retard, you killed your own fucking point.

>>32761480
>which smaller people use just fine
>because my anecdotal evidence says so
As hip jewelery or on a range its fine. To the people it WILL matter to, this gun is a disaster.

>>32760948
>mad glockfags
>hurr wimmen
Cuck detected.

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>>32761105
>Never been fired
>Obscure branch
>Small batch
I agree with the last part :^)

Only data matters, not cunthurt.

By what precise, testable metrics is the Sig a defective combat pistol for REAL US needs, not autists?

>>32761540
You still talking out of your ass or you have an actual objective reason why the P320 is bad

>>32761540
>To the people it WILL matter to, this gun is a disaster.

like the various police forces that use it?

Oh, i guess since that kills your point, they dont matter either huh?

oh, and your anecdotal evidence is greater than mine?

Fuck off, kiddo.

>>32761054
Kek

>>32761553
EOD IS POGS AND NEVER USE IT LEL

>>32761241
the P320 is known to have accuracy issues due to the "modularity" that are present on 9mm guns but not .40. The modular slide/bolt face system used to allow easy caliber conversions doesn't allow the front hole in the slide to be changed in size to accommodate different size barrels. The lack of a bushing and proper flared design on the 9mm barrels means they're slightly looser than they should be, greatly impacting accuracy for small caliber rounds. They'll probably fix it before adoption with a bell end barrel, but it's adoption just proves the corruption present in arms trials and contracting. I bet somebody had some friends at Sig that are laughing their way to the bank, and the person running the trials will retire in a couple years and get a job lobbying for Sig to get more weapons contracts. If they step up their corruption game, maybe they can grab FN's M4 gig.

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>>32761578
tee hee

>>32761528
>>32761531
Even in bulk, its still like buying thousands of unusable guns. I would rather have 100 more guns than a thousand more frames, simply because I don't plan to buy garbage that I expect to replace parts for several times over the course of its lifespan.

Buying as many spare parts as we plan to is just acknowledging that we plan for the gun to be weaker in construction than what its replacing. All the money we spend on parts could be used instead for more guns that actually last.

I know it hurts to see this stupid decision guys, but we don't have to start defending their choice. The military has been very wrong before and we all know this.

>>32761608

The MHS trials showed it was more accurate than the M9, so that was the metric to beat.

>>32761608
Why does a smaller ID on the barrel force them to use a smaller OD?

Do infantry even carry sidearms?
Sidearms are for pogs and security forces, not unreasonable for them to be designed around smaller personnel with less range time.

I was Navy, only carried weapons for security watches, got to fire the M9 4 times in as many years.
1/3 of sailors standing security watch on my boat were female

>>32761642
>I know it hurts to see this stupid decision guys,

no, the only one who thinks its """""stupid""" is you, and the M9 has replaced parts all over the fucking place. The locking block was designed to KB ffs.

Im sure you are ''''''''''''''CONCERNED'''''''' but you are the only one.

Let me guess. You think the F-35 is a failure, the Osprey is unsafe, the F-16 is a lawndart, the Bradley is just plain bad, the Blackhawk is a crash hawk and...fuck....oh, the zumwalt was a terrible ship.

yes, we get it, you get all your information from gawker.

Fuck off.

>>32761657
Maybe tank crews and drivers, but even those guys get M4s.

>>32761642

The DOD could send a 5 dollar hooker to your house to personally suck your dick, and after the sucking you would bitch that she was a brunette and not a redhead, and the 3 dollar hooker does the same job, just with herpes.

You are a complainer.

>>32761555
Its a heavier, poorly designed p250. Any other gun would have been better.

>>32761565
I'm not spouting anecdotal evidence. Stop posting, retard

>>32761642
That's if they even need to be replaced, if there is enough force/wear to break the frame or any part on the P320. It'll probably do the same to any other polymer handgun.

>>32761447
Prices will definitely go down now that they need to make so many

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>>32761657
>Do infantry even carry sidearms?
No, pretty much only officers and pogs carry sidearms.

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>>32761656
because Sig can't design a gun worth a shit. Look at how sexy their gun would look if they didn't pass it their downs syndrome

>>32761702
>Its a heavier, poorly designed p250. Any other gun would have been better.
it's .5 oz heavier than it's predecessor and yet it's still just as good as any other polymer striker fired handgun, your point?

I want for there to be a gorillion dirt cheap surplus M9s

feed to us your leftovers, army

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>>32761726
unmodified ad for comparison

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>>32761054
Ha!

>>32761670
Those M9 parts come from previously working M9s or from a case order. They didnt have to buy bulk replacement parts because of some modularity gimmick. As for all that other garbage you posted, I suggest you stay on topic and stop trying to project.

>>32761691
What? Stop posting

>>32761702
>I'm not spouting anecdotal evidence.

Yes you are.

>hurr wommens cant use it!

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>>32761054
I'm only getting in on this stupid thread to let you know I appreciated your post.

>>32761750
>Those M9 parts come from previously working M9s or from a case order.

So they buy the whole gun to get parts!

MONEY SAVED!

>>32761750
Who said they HAD to buy extra parts because of the modularity gimmick?
Again like I said before:
That's if they even need to be replaced, if there is enough force/wear to break the frame or any part on the P320. It'll probably do the same to any other polymer handgun.

>>32761750
>I suggest

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Whatca gunna do if i dont, fuccboi?

>>32761714
It needs the replacement parts to sell the stupid modularity gimmick. I wouldn't doubt they're also going to cut corners to force the meme also.

>>32761722
>I wasn't in the Army
oh ok

>>32761734
>"its empty heavy slide looks good so why not"
>looks
stop embarassing yourself and just get off /k/

>>32761738
All of those M9s are going to a furnace. Thank washington for that and the Female Marines program.

>>32761750
So what you are saying is they had to buy/use whole m9 s to salvage for replacement parts and thats better han having to buy/use the specific parts they need at a given time. Hmm

Wew lad

>>32761750
>Those M9 parts come from previously working M9s or from a case order. They didnt have to buy bulk replacement parts because of some modularity gimmick.
WEW LAD

>>32761758
Yeah that part was anecdotal. The part about it being a heavy empty piece of garbage wasnt though.

>>32761766
What? Did you even read the post? I said previously working M9s, as in it was a working gun at some point but now its just parts.

>>32761775
>Who said they HAD to buy extra parts?
Sig Sauer did. Not joking.

>>32761854
Yeah dood.

dood. You need a part. Dood. You need a part right? here...dood......

If you need a part, buy the entire thing!


#MONEY. SAVED.

>>32761869
>Yeah that part was anecdotal.

Good you can admit you were wrong.

>>32761869
>What? Did you even read the post?

Do you even logic then?

Who says you cant do this with the P230?

>Sig Sauer did. Not joking.

Your not jokeing, you are just fucking wrong.

>>32761869
>Sig Sauer did. Not joking
Sauce or youre full of shit

>>32761854
>>32761766
>>32761868
Holy shit that isn't what I said at all. Stop coming to /k/ and go back to school. Your reading comprehension is absolutely trash.

Already explained here>>32761869 that buying parts on a case by case basis and just using already broken M9s is better than the modularity gimmicks need for the massive orders of replacement parts the Army is making.

>>32761922

So again, you are still buying entire pistols, waiting for them to break, and then using them for replacement parts.

Overall, its CHEAPER to just buy the fucking parts, you idiot. You can still do the same method with broken guns too for more parts.

>>32761810
When did I say it "looks" good?
Regardless of design choices, it's still one of the better striker fired poly handguns on the market so I still don't see your point.

>>32761922
Topkek,
1. explain after 2/3 of the posts you quoted
2. Pretend you explained before
3.???
4. PROFIT!

>>32761872
The truth of the matter could only be ascertained by comparing unit prices to parts prices using Fed Log. It doesn't matter what's discarded, it matters what the prices and use rate of wear parts turn out to be IRL.

A motivated Supply sergeant could find out, but I doubt anyone else will.

Be kind to your Supply troops. I took care of mine and we got Surefires and Benchmades aplenty.

>>32761973
I highly DOUBT that entire pistols cost less than various parts that wear.

>>32761895
>who says you cant do this with the 320?
Sig Sauer. It doesnt make any sense to me either.

>>32761905
The contracts details arent even released to the public yet. I would lobe to be wrong on so many levels, but right now the gimmick will only work if they do this shit.


Whats frustrating here is that this contract is obviously just a ploy to introduce crappy sig parts all over the market in order to compete with Glock. They dont care if it works or not for soldiers as long as they make the money they need, and it sucks so much.

>>32761984
>Sig Sauer. It doesnt make any sense to me either.

Wrong.

>>32761984
>The contracts details arent even released to the public yet.
>I'm full of shit*
Fixd it for you

>>32761984

>a contender dictating terms to the US army during trials

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>32761940
>waiting for them to break
By putting them into the hands of people who need them and using them, you only need to buy the guns and not the parts.

What is so hard for you to understand that its better to buy working guns than to buy a ton of parts? You dont have to spend as much because youre not expecting to replace the parts so often.

>>32761956
It has a shit trigger and its heavy. It also looks like an angular hi-point so it fails the looks department also.

>>32762014
Tell me
How does Sig plan to push its replacement parts gimmick without the guns being dogshit and breaking on you all the time? It needs to create the problem in order to sell the solution, dumbass.

>>32761984
>Whats frustrating here is that this contract is obviously just a ploy to introduce crappy sig parts all over the market in order to compete with Glock.
Lmao no, if that was true we'd be seeing beretta parts all over the market and there is already a ton of sig parts on the market, glock isn't king anymore and hasn't been since the M&P.
> They dont care if it works or not for soldiers as long as they make the money they need, and it sucks so much.
Regardless of the gimmick the P320 is a fine handgun.

>>32761980
There isn't shit to a pistol and the markups are likely enormous. There isn't serious high precision machining involved anywhere. Also a factor in ordering individual parts is packaging and inventory cost. Supply is fascinating shit when ya get into it. I should have dropped a copy of Fed Log on a flash drive before I retired but I didn't. You can find most unclassified things online anyway. I've not searched here for gun parts yet since no need:

https://www.webflis.info/

>>32761984
>They dont care if it works or not for soldiers as long as they make the money they need, and it sucks so much.

What combat arms branch were/are you and what were your weapon preferences for a given situation?

>>32762057
Yes, but there is no logical reason to pay more for replacement parts than en entire pistol.

>>32762028
>it fails the looks department also

Irrelevant for actual use. Autists care about appearance. Users are busy using.

>>32762039
Berettas competition at the time was the 1911, and Glock didnt even make guns yet.
What the fuck are you talking about, you ignorant fuck?

>theres already a ton of sig parts on the market
And nobody is buying them. thats why they probably paid a fortune for this contract.

>>32762028
>By putting them into the hands of people who need them and using them, you only need to buy the guns and not the parts.

Except you are logically buying more guns to use some as part guns when they break.

When you could JUST. BUY. THE. FUCKING. PARTS. FOR. CHEAPER.

>>32762028
>It has a shit trigger and its heavy. It also looks like an angular hi-point so it fails the looks department also.
So you've never fired a P320 and if you think the P320 is heavy, you're a bitch. Looks are subjective.
>How does Sig plan to push its replacement parts gimmick without the guns being dogshit and breaking on you all the time?
So they're going to push themselves onto a market which has already accepted them? Makes sense, especially since contract details aren't even out.

The Obama legacy.
US Army adopts a trendy plastic nig nog gun...

>>32762072
And yet, Sig Sauer is making the army do exactly that. The brass just went full retard on this one.

>>32762076
Exactly. And the gimmick will never see significant use, so its just money down the drain.

>>32762078
Berettas competition was the P226, go read a book.
>And nobody is buying them.
Funny since everytime I go to the range/gunstore they're sold out of P320s and they get them weekly.

>>32762103
>And yet, Sig Sauer is making the army do exactly that.

Wrong.

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>>32762087
Why buy parts if you have parts lying around from other guns? Why buy a thousand poly frames when you could have 500 armed people instead?

I suggest you let smarter people handle your money from here on out, anon.

>>32761726
>>32761741
jesus fuck. Were they even fucking trying?

>>32762072
>Yes, but there is no logical reason to pay more for replacement parts than en entire pistol

Yes, there is for a complete weapon. You don't seem to understand that ANY machine whose parts are packed, inventoried and shipped separately will cost considerably more because your idea of "cost" is one of symbolic objects.

That's not at all how Supply or any other logistics can work. It would be nice if it did. "Assembling" a firearm isn't shit, and an assembled weapon weighs and bulks a lot less than every part packed and inventoried and tracked separately.

Supply allows for this reality with many systems. If an item needs enough parts, or one/some not in stock, the NHA (Next Higher Assembly) is ordered and the original item (if it's not coded XB3) turned in for disposition.

I'm not an armorer but I've turned in many avionics components built from an accumulation of broke shit. That saved much grief and returned what I fixed to service much faster. Then we'd order a new radio etc against a jet and turn in the corpse. This is SOP throughout the military and it works very well.

>>32761984
so you're saying that you don't need to buy replacement parts for weapons?

>>32760601
Should have went with the cz 75 like the rest of the world

>>32762116
>Why buy parts if you have parts lying around from other guns?

Why buy extra guns when you can FUCKING JUST BUY THE PARTS, YOU FUCKING RETARD?

>>32762092
You literally are at a4th grade reading level. I keep saying its heavier than it needs to be and you just keep skipping that part.

>market thats accepted them
tell me all about the success of the .357 SIG and then rethink your statement

>>32762105
Glocks sell out because everyone wants one. Sigs sell put because the store only ordered a few since theyre unpopular. Learn the difference.

>>32762116
because buying parts is cheaper than cannibalizing guns that can be made to work, you dumb nigger.

>>32762147
You are talking about time, not cost.

Real cost to the army, its cheaper to fix with replacement parts than replacement pistols.

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>>32760601
>be greatest gun nation on earth
>buy a German sidearm
>expand German export by a few 100 million $

>>32762087
>When you could JUST. BUY. THE. FUCKING. PARTS. FOR. CHEAPER.

Unless you are looking at Fed Log ( post screencaps), you don't know what any of the relevant items cost at government prices therefore you are talking out your ass.

Fed Log is motherfucking reality. Anyone ITT in Guard, Reserve or Active duty should learn how it works because it's a beautiful tool. Some government contractors can be authorized a Fed Log subscription so if you work for a listed government contractor they might benefit. Not everyone who bid on small contracts knows this so pass it on.

>>32760614
>it will kill hadjis

14 year old CoD kid detected.
It's a handgun, its sole purpose for existence in the US armed forces is so that POG NCOs don't have to lug a carbine when going to the mess hall.

>>32761656
it doesn't. calling bullshit.

>>32762160
>tell me all about the success of the .357 SIG and then rethink your statement
Nice goalpost moving.
It's heavier than it needs to be and that's hardly a cause for it to be "shit" considering that it's still one of the best strikers on the market.
>Glocks sell out because everyone wants one. Sigs sell put because the store only ordered a few since theyre unpopular. Learn the difference
You stuck in 2010 or what?

>>32762168
These guns are made by Sig Sauer in Exeter New Hampshire

>>32762168
they will be made in the US.

>>32762028
Um they already wear out often enough to justify an upgrade so thats basically the entire reason for them opting into modularity so they can just buy a new frame or whatever part instead of buying a whole new gun or constantly combing through a pile of broken guns for parts
This point is so obvious a nigger could see it

>>32762181
>Unless you are looking at Fed Log ( post screencaps), you don't know what any of the relevant items cost at government prices.

This is open source info.

Show me where a part cost more than the entire item. Because barring very specialized parts (ICBM, etc) it does not.

>>32762150
The replacement parts should be ordered on a case by case basis, not in bulk because you expect the gun to be failing and breaking constantly.

>>32762154
Because extra parts can come from previously working guns or from a ver rare order for more parts. Why order so many new parts when you can just take them from broken guns that have already seen use, guns that you bought and used instead of spending your money on bulk replacement parts like a jackass.

>>32762214
NO DOOD.

BUY A WHOLE GUN. CHEAPER.

>>32762197
>>32762207
>Still a Kraut company
>money will still go to Germany

>>32760601
Can it be converted to fuddy five?

>>32760613
>>32760875
Is it me or P320 somewhat looks like slowpoke itself?

>>32762225
>Because extra parts can come from previously working guns or from a ver rare order for more parts.

Why spend money on extra guns you know you will use for parts when you can just buy the parts AND use broken guns for parts?

Its a net savings.

Instead of 700 pistols for 400 people, you can buy 500 guns and parts for 400 people.

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>>32761069

>>32762225
Because guns break no matter what you do and it's better to prepare for the worst? Do you think the US Army cannibalizes M4s instead of buying replacement parts? Do you think ANY military machine or weapon has EVER been bought without shit tons of replacement parts?

>>32762237

royalties

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>>32762250
>Do you think ANY military machine or weapon has EVER been bought without shit tons of replacement parts?

>>32762103
Again you entire argument rest ob the idea that a. Sig is forcing the purhase of extra parts and b. These parts are more costly individually that just buying a new gun outright

All of this is unsupported bullshit straight from you ass. What are you doing besides trolling at this point?

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>>32762245
>Is it me or P320 somewhat looks like slowpoke itself?

It's not just you. It looks like it has down's.
Like a kid's first drawing of a gun.

Ok niggers.

The whole modulairty thing was becuase they are replacing the M-11 and the M-9 with the same gun.

They needed a unified frame that can do subcompact and full size, along with same internals and whatnot.

Fuck.

>>32762162
The guns already dead though?
You retards seem to think I'm suggesting taking prts from working guns, which I'm not.

>>32762194
You stuck in 1980? Nobody wants a special snowflake caliber garbage, only the idiots in washington who dont have to use them or maintain them.
And there are so many better polys on the market right now that it makes the 320 look like an embarassment.


Can't wait til 5-6 years down the road to see how stupid everyone is going to feel when way lighter and more accurate handguns come out and the Army is stuck using this embarassing piece of gimmicky gutted shit.

>>32760601
>another plastic meme gun

When is the Army just going to suck it up and buy Glocks?

>>32761394
>When women handle the M9 just fine
M9 has kinda big length of trigger pull it is not for small wristed people.

>>32762289
>Can't wait til 5-6 years down the road to see how stupid everyone is going to feel when way lighter and more accurate handguns come out and the Army is stuck using this embarassing piece of gimmicky gutted shit.

>using

>>32762289
>Can't wait til 5-6 years down the road to see how stupid everyone is going to feel when way lighter and more accurate handguns come out and the Army is stuck using this embarrassing piece of gimmicky gutted shit.

your right, we should replace our pistols every 5-6 years....you fucking ingrate.

Or, we could never upgrade our pistols because the next best thing is 5-6 years out....you fucking ingrate.

>>32760618
Gaston Glock pls go.

>>32762214
Yes lets just spend more money that can be solved by not being a lazy nigger and just combing through said pile. And its not modular if you have to replace most of the fucking gun; that just makes it another gun.

>>32762237
US still gets its full cut, germany ets shit in comparison, cause us based arm of multinational company

>>32762289
you realize just how few pistols actually break and can't be fixed, right? Most of the time it's the small things that break, things that only annoy the operator, not parts that can't be replaced. And guess what, the P320 has NO parts that can't be replaced for cheap.

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>muh polymer hook triggered striker

Obviously the Army should have gone with the H9

>>32762325
But the whole point is that said pile ceases to exist because of modularity, part breaks order part gun fixed no pile.

>>32762289
>The guns already dead though?
>You retards seem to think I'm suggesting taking prts from working guns, which I'm not.
>
Yes, there is for a complete weapon. You don't seem to understand that ANY machine whose parts are packed, inventoried and shipped separately will cost considerably more because your idea of "cost" is one of symbolic objects.
Kys

Jesus fucking christ, are we still fucking around with the 9mm because little fucking manlets can't handle real cartridges? If you can't CC a .460 S&W, you should just give up on life, and revolvers are more reliable than autos anyway. Put the 4-inch barrel on the .460, issue it as a service revolver, use the 2-inch barrel to conceal. Its like you 6-foot and shorter manlets think you have an opinion with your dainty little hands or something.

>>32762286
This too.

>>32762247
>why spend more money that youll know youll use for parts
who said that you illiterate fuck? You keep assuming like a retard that theyll buy the guns and just let them sit there, which is not what I am saying at all.

Please get the fuck off of /k/ and never come back.

>>32762250
If they need replacement parts, theyll order them. They dont need to biy bulk replacement ahead of time like theyre doing with this dogshit Sig is pushing.

>>32762277
The modularity gimmick only works if they buy a ton of parts ahead of time. Its a waste of money and you know it.

>>32762302
Good point. Best counter argument made to me throughout this entire thread, honestly.

>>32762304
I'm only saying that because I think the p320 is a poorly designed piece of junk. I'm not actually suggesting we replace a standard sidearm every 5 years, idiot.

>>32760601
>Sig is more modular than Glock because Sig's trigger mechanism is the serialized part and Glock's is not

The army fell for the meme and got an inferior pistol as a result.

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>>32762380

*tips Fedorov*

>>32762387
so you're suggesting the Army buys individual replacement parts for every time a pistol breaks? What if we're suddenly plunged into a war and a lot of pistols break, do the soldiers just have to make do without for awhile?

>>32761054
oh jesus anon well done

>>32762328
So? My point isn't that I think the guns will fail. Its that I know the Army is wasting money on a gimmick it will never truly implement and wasting money on an objectively inferior firearm. Also that Sig will probably gut the QC to make this gimmick work.

>>32762348
The "pile" appears for free over time after using said guns. Your warehouse full of replacement parts has to be bought first and then you still have to biy the guns on top of that.

>>32762387
>>32762277 (You) #
>The modularity gimmick only works if they buy a ton of parts ahead of time. Its a waste of money and you know it.
Literally zero reasons they have to buy any parts ahead of time, other than it just being the smart and prepared thing to do. You cant say they dont have to buy whole m9s but can jus salvaging parts from broken guns because very quickly you'd run into thebproblem of not having enough working guns, oe the right part for guns, while also having to pay for storage and securing the broken guns. And you still need more guns of different typea to fill different roles, modularity fixes all of this because the only staple part is the trigger group and the rest of he gun is interchangeable between multiple frames/calibers

>>32761726
>>32761741
>5'11 vs 6'0

>>32762482
It's not a gimmick, it's a way to increase service life for guns that don't see much use.

>>32762404
But they can still do the whole backwards salvaging gun pile bullshit they do now with m9s you retards... They just also have the option to eventually get every single gun back to working order if they want to

>>32762376
Thats exactly my fucking point? You have to SPEND MORE to get bulk replacement beforehand than you would just waiting for the day you need more parts arrives, solely because the order will be significantly less in size since we arent buying thousands of what we dont need along with what we do.

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>>32761179

> its an exploded
> exploded
> it explodes

>>32762250
>Do you think ANY military machine or weapon has EVER been bought without shit tons of replacement parts?

Some are. Supply management for aircraft deliberately includes each squadron having a designated "cann bird" for immediate borrowing of parts until replacements arrive, and worldwide stocks are monitored everywhere. The government couldn't afford to wallow in spare parts for everything. FedEx and DHL keep the military rolling. Jet breaks, only correct accessory drive gearbox is on the other side of the US or in Korea, gearbox gets shipped where needed. If deployed, home station may cann and ship gearbox to SWA or where ever, then replace with gearbox from another base.

Weapon parts for small arms are more plentiful but not necessarily filling up vast warehouses.

Demand matters for replacement parts orders in most cases unless ordered OTS from manufacturers stock, which logically Sig or FN etc could supply. Otherwise if it's a large order it goes out for bid if not sole-source, and that can change over a system's service life.

>and more accurate handguns come out

Not an issue IRL. Confirmed for not knowing shit about the real military or war. Please have a fatal ND and end the autistic screeching.

>>32762516
Don't forget inflation. Shit doesn't get cheaper over time.

>>32762482
>The "pile" appears for free over time after using said guns. Your warehouse full of replacement parts has to be bought first and then you still have to biy the guns on top of that.
You arent very good at arithmetic are you? How do they end up with extra parts from broken guns if they didnt have to buy a ton of extra guns in the first place? You do realiZe that two guns have to break to salvage one gun to fix the other right? Eventually you have significantly less working guns. Being able to easily and cheaply replace any and every part of a gun individually means the service life ia essentially as long as they are willing to keep paying, even if they never bought another gun

>>32761136
>2077
>Not using overcharged Recharger Pistols
Ammo < Renewable energies

>>32760948
Sig Sauer has been serving plenty of military and police forces throughout the world for years (P220, P226, SP2022...). Stop being a retard, the M9 was a pile of shit from day one, it's the best decision they could have ever made.

>>32762516
Clearly thw second paragraph was meant to be next to the arrow and in greentext, because you implied you didnt say that and you clearly did

>>32761155
Where is the Sig Sauer 14mm pistol? Just use the 12.7mm ones paired with 12.7mm SMGs to replace the new and already outdated HK SMGs. Power Armor is gonna require some heavy firepower to take down if the Reds get a hold of it.

>>32761320
Jumping in here with an aside, I would have loved to see the FNX get the nod, just because it's got a hammer and a frame-mounted safety, and can be carried cocked and locked. Which I'm sure would be against regs in today's army, but hey.

Also I like the aggressive checkering and it's pretty ergonomic for a poly pistol.

Of course the ergos make sense when you consider it's the distant great great grandchild or spiritual descendant of the 1911 and Hi Power, which is my favorite thing about it.

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The FBI used SIG-Sauers for a while. I'm looking forward to getting my alien-popper.

>>32762247
>>32762214

If you get down to it a sidearm is a PDW, a personal defense weapon, not the kinda thing you want to actually use in a fight.

Its better than a knife, but you want to make sure its as reliable as a knife too.

The problem is when you actually need it, anybody wearing body armor is going to shrug it off and Actually Kill You with their AK-74.

Its a fast weapon but you're going to have to waste time aiming for the Head or Extremities.

And itll take 3 or 4 shots unless you get lucky, because that'll disable them enough you can go over and start kicking them in the face and take their rifle.

> Wouldnt it be a whole lot fucking better

If you could just put a fucking .50 caliber flatnose into them? Even with body armor that might faze them.

Nevermind the fact it could be an armor piercing .50 caliber slug and actually blow through anything less than an AR500 plate.

> by .50 caliber im not talking about a 500sw, or a 50bmg, or even a 50ae. Im saying something manageable but still at 44mag class needs to be used.

6 or 8 shots in a military handgun doesn't mean anything when you can reload as fast as any other pistol and the whole point of using it is because the rifle isn't working.

> thats a mighty strong knife, er... sword... soldier

>>32762488
>very quickly run into the problem of not having enough replacements
Lets say 1000 slides cracked and maybe about 200 frames cracked on fielded sidearms
Your retarded plan is to buy 5000 slides and 5000 frames "just in case" ahead of time, despite the problem mostly being the slides.
Werent the trials there for you to avoid this problem? You arent supposed to pick a gun that breaks often enough to warrant such a bulk order. Thats being stubborn and sticking to garbage.

>>32761136
> over blown
> wattz 1000

When the fuck are they going to start loading MFC into their pistol chargers huh?

I mean it doesnt have to fire full strength, they'll get a hell of alot more shots with it at just double the firepower.

Might be bulkier but at least then they're carrying standard ammo across the board for crying out loud!

Either that or they need to put a sturdy EC rechargeable cell in the pistol and then just plug it into an MFC whenever it runs dry (id say about 6 shots then you gotta reload).

I mean only time you should be using that magnum laser is if your rifle or plas is hurting.

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>>32760601
Probably the shittiest option possible. Deal will probably fall through and we'll keep the m9 for another few decades or we'll get some, they'll break immediately because soldiers are retarded and it's a blocky plastic piece of shit, and the whole thing will be embarrassing for all involved while they look for a real service pistol to replace it.

The p320 is a Sig for poorfags. Looks and feels like shit. High bore axis. Xboxhuge slide. Just feels and looks cheap.

>>32762626
Again you are stating that they are forced to buy more replacements than they realistically need and wasting money with zero evidence to back it up. Stop wiping your ass on the keyboard cause that shits not flying here

>>32762668

So basically is like a S&W SD except bulkier?

>>32761359
The 92s weight comes from a metal frame and it balances almost perfectly at the trigger with a loaded mag.

The p320 feels like a nerf gun with a 3lb weight taped to the end because almost all it's mass is in it's slide and barrel.

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>>32761054
Nice

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>>32761069

>>32762668
>they'll break immediately because soldiers are retarded and it's a blocky plastic piece of shit

Evidence for Sig breakage problems plox?

How much combat experience do you have with M9 and any other pistols? By what METRICS, not butthurt, but science, can you show to invalidate the Army choice?

Your esthetic gripes only matter to you. Pretty is for autists range toys. Men don't care about looks if a system is effective. Autists make nice b8 tho. Hadji can shoot at the screeching and fedoras make droll reactive targets. In fact I see a niche for Tannerite fedoras. They can be issued to autspergers, butterbars, and other expendable creatures.

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>>32762668
Oh shit I made that crop
>tfw someone saves your shitty crop OC

>All these fucking retards comparing a real metal frame Sig like a 226 to the plastic abortion that is the 320.

>>32762528
"Exploded" as in size

>>32762555
When you buy thousands of guns in bulk, you give the replacement to the individual who needs it. Eventually all of the broken guns can accumulate to the point where a large order can be made to specifically replace these parts. They are then fixed and those replace the now newly broken guns.
This cycle could potentially be higher cost than just buying in bulk, but now you have to catalogue and store thousands upon thousands of parts that will never see use. Or you could of just spent that equal amount of money on more guns.

>>32762626
you're a fucking idiot.

>>32761054
Kekarooni

>>32762668
>Muh bore axis!

>>32762748
apparently the slide keeps cracking, so im not half wrong

> its exploded

>>32762735
"Muh modular frame" = chincey airsoft body is going to break the second someone decides to do something stupid with the gun.

You're replacing a gun that makes 1" groups at 25 yards whose only noted problem was after tens of thousands of rounds ONE pistol slide failed over 20 years ago that prompted a full retrofit to 92fs standards with a Browning tilt barrel minute of barn hipoint sized plastic shitheap designed for the express purpose of putting "Sig Sauer" on the side of a gun poorfags can spend goodboy points on cuz "it's a sig".

>>32762581
>name 3 old designs that worked
>defends one that doesnt
did you drop out of grade school? stop being a brand whore and think for yourself.

>>32762594
stay mad

>>32762608
It wouldve been a way better desicion and i personally fucking hate that gun and all of FN

>>32762669
Its
the
only
way
the
gimmick
works
I cannot be any clearer than that.

>>32762735
>hadji
>bragging about being a man
did you get your forst chest hair today or something? you need to be 18 to post here
also p226 is fine, kid. its the 320 thats trash

>>32761217
Actually $207 per pistol
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/analysis-us-army-chooses-sig-320-as-new-pistol/

>>32762749
And you're a broke idiot.
I suppose you also buy the whole rack of bananas "just in case you run out" too?

>>32762840
>"In the interests of full disclosure, I personally carry a Sig 320 Compact every day for personal protection, so obviously I think quite highly of the gun."

>"Two gun industry sources whom I consider to be reliable, but whom I would not be free to identify"

Fuck off with this faggot shit

>>32762840
>http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/analysis-us-army-chooses-sig-320-as-new-pistol/
RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I WANNA $200 SIG TOO!

>>32762907
It should be a clear indicator that they're cutting costs to an already cost-cut gun.
This news just keeps getting worse and worse.

>>32762815
What don't you like about the FNX and FN?

>>32762898
my finances are perfectly fine. you're attacking straw men.

>>32762928
Civilian prices ≠ government bulk purchases

>>32762840
you get what you pay for/10

They should have just told the shlomos running the Beretta bid to give them a m9a1 with a vertec grip/frame and those 17 round sand resistant mags at the same or a slightly lower unit price. Problem fucking solved and no need to retrain the entire damn military on a plastic turd that will end up replaced faster than the m1892

The m9a3 is actually pretty sexy but not at 300 Hundo more expensive for duracoat and night sights.

>>32762928
stop posting.

CNC machining and bulk production means mostguns and parts are sold at a fuckhuge markup. It's interesting to compare civilian and gummint prices.

CNC can be to any spec desired. Load file to your CNC milling center using a USB stick, touch off tooling, make and measure a few test parts then rock and roll. QC check appropriate sampling with go/no-go gauges and perhaps comparators in da metrology lab and you can have any tolerance you like.

Metal and plastic are both dirt cheap in bulk and small arms parts are not large. Leaves lots of room to underbid competitors then profit on volume.

It's going to be a great gun. Lighter than an m9, more capacity, easy for girls and guys with girl wrists to use, modular enough that the barrel can be swapped for .357 sig if more power is needed. It's an improvement all around.

>>32762935
That they're just too good to be as niche as they are. The FAL, SCAR, Five-seveN, Hi Power, F2000, etc are all excellent but always take a backseat to more popular options. I feel like had their designs stuck to a few more conventional choices they would be the best firearms company on the planet. But FN seems to hate money so they'll just make another niche gun.

>>32762951
Lower price per gun =/= higher quality
You should know this

>>32762983
You first

>>32763116
lol cuck
Who gives a fuck about .357 sig and the girls ability to handle it

>>32763129
Of course I know about the contracts FN currently has and the money they certainly don't hate, but I still feel like they're the biggest squandered potential next to Steyr.

>>32763129
>Lower price per gun =/= higher quality
>You should know this
Which applies to anything, you would see the same decrease in quality had Glock, FN, or Beretta been chosen.

>>32762190
I'm an explosive detection k9 handler. I carry this when I'm doing patrols and leave my m4 in the gun trucks to free my hands to coordinate with the dog.

Stay mad autismo retard.

>>32762190
Stolen valor detected. Pogs are carrying old m16a2's and hardly anyone outside of mp's and officers carry an sidearm.

Keep pretending though faggot.

>>32763241
>>32763257
tanks 4 ur cervix, same person.

>>32763266
Thanks for your support mane.

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Heres all the pieces from my gun if anyones curious what it looks like fully apart

>>32760601
Will there be a surplus market for the m9 though?

I think the modular design is neato but it makes me feel like its more shit that will fail. Only time will tell I guess.

>>32763211
If quality changes that will be measurable. Dimensional tolerances, surface finish etc on any mechanical part cannot be kept secret.

From what I know (and anyone else can find out easily) about machining and material costs gun makers turn tasty markups on damn near everything. Sell to civilians as high as the market will bear yet move sufficient volume while laughing all the way to the bank, then use your margin to compete for bids. Not rocket surgery since the machine does most of the work.

When you see shit machining that means the maker decided to skip a finishing pass or not care about some tool and cutter wear. If you see burrs, they couldn't be arsed to debur the part. It's fun to figure out where corners are cut.

>>32763310
filename should be ants instead of adults

>>32761028
Fudds hate handguns you know nothing fagot.

>>32763351
I'd like to see a comparison to an exploded m9. Be interesting to see.

>>32761105
I carried M11s in A-stan as did my entire Squadron.

>>32761139
Having Hi-powers would be cool as fuck.

Interesting comparison between other versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt-i-W-Yh8I

Picking one up with my tax refunds. Should b gud.

>>32763351
how elaborate is the detail strip?

I hope it's in .45 master race so we can get cheap .45 master race milsurp brass.

>>32761608
Bullshit.

>>32763591
it's the current year.

>>32763591

Nope, sorry, no brass for closet faggots.
Even MARSOC admitted that moving back to .45 was a retarded idea and dropped it, like three years after re-adoption.

>>32763591
.45 Automatic Colt Pistol is GOAT

>>32761691
Lol this.

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>>32763628
>sperging out on .45

>>32762078
Glock existed, they just would let their patent be open sourced.

>>32763604
I was merely presenting alternative truths. Sigfags are so desperate to control the narrative. Newsflash: sig lives in the swamp and grows fat off the taxpayers lifeblood. Sad.

>>32761810
pls donut cook M9s

I want my cheapo 92F with shitty trigger pull

>>32763549
THIS!

I can dream, can't I?

>>32763147
The gun can be used by girls and skeleton men. But also big guys. Stop being so insecure.

>>32763556
Its really not hard to do, the only tool I used was a roll pin punch, though I used the to push some other random pieces out of the way as well. Also I think the trigger pack changed a bit.

>>32762623
What the fuck are you on about?

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>>32760601
ITS GOD DAMNED FUCKIN PLASTIC !!??

>>32763241
Post doggo?

>>32762165
>>32762531
Engineering student here.

Time is cost; or more accurately, the time a human has to spend on something is cost. Lean manufacturing/business tries to reduce inventory and logistical effort for this reason.

Whether keeping an inventory of small arms parts is a good idea or bad idea depends on how hard they expect the pistols to be used, and if the inventory will save effort later on.

surplus $300 M9s when

>>32763241
You should post doggo

>>32762325
With this pile system you will eventually have a pile of parts that don't wear out or need replacing often, and NO MORE of the parts that are most likely to wear out

>>32760601
>modular
Has there ever been a more autistic way to say "has rail"?

>>32763129
>Lower price per gun =/= higher quality

$1500 Kimbers for everyone, then? I hear they come with pre-cracked slides and frames now to save the consumer time

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>>32765867
No. The pistol's guts are a single removable module. You can replace the lower, slide, and barrels separately.

For the average consumer, this usually just means buying the compact and using the subcompact frame or carry frame. For the military, this means any time any piece breaks you can cannibalize the weapon for parts or repair the piece separately without issue.

>>32765974
> .40s&w option
> no .45acp option
this kills the GI

>>32762331

I really want to get one, but the MSRP is scaring me away from taking the risk.

>>32766002
There is a .45 ACP option, it just uses a different polymer grip with slightly wider mag wells.

>>32765783
Worth knowing for the future if do DoD work: Military procurement is often done in batches sufficient to justify a the lot. Lean often backfired because wars are fought from stocks on hand which can be abruptly depleted and lack sufficient cushion to support operations. That can help initial sales so it's worth mentioning. If your customer has his ass on the line he may buy more to cover it.

Lean, kaizen and Sick Smegma are popular at least from the viewpoint of NCOs taking free training for when they retire.

>>32761738
>>32763352
>>32765817

lol, idiots.

When was the last time the US military sold any surplus to civilians instead of storing/melting it?

>>32761738
>>32766617

Those will get sent to third world "allies" and/or air-dropped to ISIS

>>32766042
It'd be fucking baller if there was a 10mm option on the .45 frame

I don't get what's the big deal.
It is just a weapon being replaced for another more effective. Firearms don't have souls anyway.

>>32762331
Why would they make it all metal but give it tiny glock rails and not full length ones?

>>32761105
>a shit trigger
At least post good bait.

>>32761104
Metal receivers and polymer grips. Like the p320.

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>530 million military contract
>CEO's name is (((Ron Cohen)))

This isn't going to turn out well for the military.

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The army dun fucked up, picked the wrong gun.

>>32769067
plus, the new gun is smaller and uses less material...

I wonder why
(Well, I'm not complaining)

>>32766730
Mail it to the still living Osama

>>32763241
>not strapping the m4 to your arm

Jesus Christ, just buy G17s.

>>32769087

I got a 226 but next gun I get def goin be an FNS or FNX.

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Noguns here, I'm confused.

How would modularity matter in the military? Would they really have a whole array of a dozen pistol variants just because it's easier to change parts? Won't they just buy the standard model, with very few opportunities to use the switcheroo features?

>>32760948
>This change is literally being made to accomodate to females and limp wristed faggots.
Wouldn't a polymer-framed SIG have MORE felt recoil than a steel-framed M9?

Terrible choice. Any plastic gun is garbage. They should have gotten double stacked 1911s in 10mm.

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Beretta 92FS for $700 Out the door in CA a good deal?

First time buying a pistol please help

>>32769323
Frames break and wear out, surely you can see how replacing a frame would be cheaper and less of a hassle when it's a piece of plastic, and not an aluminum or steel one that traditionally has the gun's serial number on it. Ditto being able to configure different sizes/calibers as needed as opposed to having to issue several separate pistol types.

>>32769487
Does the military even have any handguns in something besides 9mm?

>>32769498
Uh, I know the Coast Guard at least uses .40 P229's, and then there's SOF...

>>32769390
>sales tax
>DROS
>A thousand other fucking fees because the DOJ has no fucking clue how to manage it's money

Yeah, that's about standard for CA, take what it would cost everywhere else, and add a hundred.

>>32769542
thanks. SO baretta is okay, right? Not a overpriced brand like Sig?

Why did they make a big deal about some units adopting Glock(s) for their weapons? If the Army was going to SIG why would they hype up all this Glock noise?

>>32769596
Who is "they"? Glock Inc.? Glock fanboys?

>>32769584
The M9/92 is the most rigorously tested full size pistol on the market right now. There are many worse pistols that you could spend your money on. Though if you can save up a few hundred more dollars, and don't care about being able to mount flashlights or other tacticool doodads, I'd say get the brigadier model. Brigadier model comes with better grips, and the slide is thicker, which means it'll stand up to wear and tear better than the base model.

>>32769642
thanks for the advice. I really prefer a steel frame gun instead of a polymer. I shall see if the shop can get the brigadier model

>>32769615
I guess the gun media and various military, shit like this
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/marines-opt-for-9mm-over-45-caliber-pistols-for-special-operators

https://sofrep.com/53591/socom-adopts-glock-19-will-big-army-follow/

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/02/17/glock-19-pistols-approved-for-marsoc-operators/23548847/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/12/1911s-weapons-choice-special-forces-not-anymore-sf-goes-glock-doesnt-look-back-us-army-soon-follow/

>>32769658
How do you feel about aluminum frames?

>>32769658
>steel frame

M9/92 is aluminum or alloy frame I think. Weight saving measure, because it's pretty heavy for a 9mm.

>>32769670
fine as well. I love the coldness of metal

>>32769674
sorry, yeah. I mean metal frame.

>>32769676
get a Sig P228, used in good shape they go for $600. SOOO superior to a glock at the same price.

>>32769683
i will try to find one, The Beretta I am asking is from the LGS that's closet to my house. The Sig they have is pretty expensive

>>32769669
Dunno, it's always news when the military adopts a weapon platform, even if on an extremely limited basis. Also Glock is the most popular/ubiquitous handgun in the world(hopefully that will begin to change in the coming years), and people have always paid an inordinate amount of attention to what "Special" units use.

>>32769700
>shopping for used guns
>at a store

lmao enjoy the markup.

>>32769724
it's new.

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>>32769717
Makes sense, thanks, anon. I wonder if any of these special units start carrying the new SIGs will they cover the fuck out of it. Glock seems to always get a ton of press, then again they are popular so makes sense.

>>32761657
M240 Gunners, NCO's, Officers, vehicle gunners, drivers, Bradley Crew Members - all of these infantrymen will carry sidearms.
Average joe doesn't have much need for a sidearm unless he's mounted

Also medics

>>32762286
They also want a return to the general officers pistols. Technically they are still in circulation - the Tiny 1911's.
The P320 gives them the opportunity to throw a Compact pistol at Generals, Pilots and undercover MP's/CIS. They'll probably get their own color scheme as well, for status

>>32762623
One of the requirements was capability for +P as the army is trialing AP pistol ammo that doesn't suck on soft targets

>>32762668
Deal isn't falling through. SIG has been awarded the contract and has the capability to meet the contract. If they can't then they have to sell the contract and the rights to another company - who will then still produce P320's. SIG will stop all of it's other lines before it does that

>>32769323
So generals and aviators can have special snowflake compacts, and so the Army Marksmanship Unit (AMU) can get a longslide match pistol with it still being a service pistol

>>32761105
>designed for women

I doubt that is true and even if it was true it doesn't matter because it fits the role the US Army needs it too. Stop being such a bitch faggot.

>>32768544
AESTHETICS

>>32762331
Why is the fucking guide rod/recoil spring so low?