Are bolt action rifles still viable in modern war?

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yes.

>>32760004
Absolutely.

Pretty much every major nation utilizes bolt actions for their snipers.

>>32760004
In the sense that they still kill people at typical combat ranges. I certainly wouldn't equip a bunch of Marines with Enfields, but an insurgent with one is still going to be pretty much as deadly as the same dude with an AKM.

>>32760004
as main infantry rifles no, as specialized precision shooting rifles yes and they still are.
>>32760007
no

>>32760027
Great ambush weapons for short engagement. Get a squad with 30-06 sighted in for 3-5 hundred meters, everyone fire off 4-8 rounds in an L shaped ambush then exfil in 12 different directions. Repeat as possible

anything that kills you dead is still viable. gooks used sharpened sticks and human shit to great effect in nam

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>>32760004

In a marksman role yes. By not having parts that move while firing it gives a more consistent gun.

Consistency means accuracy

Yes you can make automatics that are extremely accurate and for enough money (several times more) they'll match a bolt gun but the accuracy will deteriorate faster/easier depending on the climate/rounds through the gun/how much it has been banged around. With a semi auto, managing the way the gun recoil in your arms is even more important too

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>>32760004

>>32760345
In all fairness your action shouldn't be opening while the bullet is still in the bore.

>>32760004
Yes. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter too much. You will probably take more casualties, but it won't be a war losing amount.

>>32760004
In near-peer conflicts: yea, but solely in niche roles.

Asymmetric or insurgencies: Absolutely

>>32760016
Even partisans and rebels whack war criminals on their way to the Hauge for trial with their trusty K98 Mauser. Some Yugoslavian snipered a guy from 600+ yards away through a pane of chicken wired armored glass right in the ear.

>>32760986
Can you give a source on that story? I wanna know more.

>>32760608

Yes, and in honesty I've never looked hard into why automatics have more of a problem but they're known for it. I'm only talking about movements that would start to matter at some pretty extreme distances. If I had to guess what's happening it's that the vibrations of firing causes the action itself to vibrate which translates to other places.

Basically, all the little parts in the action wiggle different when the round goes off because they're not designed to stay in place like a bolt action.

My guess shouldn't be taken as a fact though, I'm just too lazy to look shit up on my phone at work for a thread that'll probably be gone before I got back to it

>>32760004
ya gotta make do with what ya got, so yeah, they'll work

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Ask this woman.

>>32760004
modern war has shown that every tactic is viable.

>>32761240
If I had to guess I'd say it's more to do with having things like front sights and gas tubes and oprods and pistons hanging on the barrel and messing with harmonics more than it is the action opening up. A bolt gun built for accuracy will usually have a heavy profile bull barrel, be firmly bedded in its stock, and be free floated, with the optic mounted on the receiver and no irons.

>>32760004
Yes, autoloaders are overrated.

Mind you, a unit with only bolt rifles would be severely hampered at things like suppressing fire and the enemy will quickly realize how slow you fire while say advancing or retreating.

>>32761941
So they're effective still in a guerrilla role?

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>>32761631

Do you know if there are automatic designs that allow a truely free floated barrel? I was working with the assumption that at least one existed but Google isn't helping. I'll keep looking but maybe there aren't any. I think it has to have been done, something that works purely off recoil with no gas tube but maybe they're just not practical

At very long range firefights I could see them being use but full size cartridge semi autos like the M14 would be more useful

>>32761986
You could do such a thing with an H&K roller lock or clone/predecessor thereof. But they take a lot of work to make accurate. PSG1 receivers are modified from G3 receivers. An anon explained the difference a while back in technical detail but I lost the cap of his post.

Or just buy a PSG1. What does that cost?

>>32761985
With the proviso that you still want a few guys with AKs, yes, absolutely.

>>32761985

Effective is a very relative word. They can kill. In any firefight lasting more than a few seconds the enemy, provided they have ever one good shooter with an automatic rifle with optical sight, will then dominate the fight. Because by the time the rifle guys are done fiddling with the bolt to rack in the next round, the auto guy will be ready for them.

Any guerrilla soldier will prefer an old rifle to having no gun at all. But any guerrilla soldier who has been fire at by pros and lived to tell the tale, with switch that sweet bolter with a ragged auto at first opportunity. Not least because ammo for an ancient bolter might be harder to come by than the auto's load.

>>32761986
As stated before, some form of delayed blowback would be your best bet. Probably an HK style roller delayed gun, maybe something that works like a FAMAS. The problem with the HK style guns is that they still have a FSB on them along with the charging handle and the tube it runs inside of, so it still wouldn't be completely free floating. I think HK the PSG1 might come close to what you want though.

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>>32760004
ye

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>>32762075
$11,000 and the seller's reserve still hasn't been met.

>>32760004

For sniping and hit-and-run guerrilla stuff, sure.

Shit for protracted firefights or room-to-room urban warfare, though.

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>>32760608
>>32761240
>>32761631
>>32761986
>>32762075

When the fuck are these people going to learn that PUMP ACTION does the same job as bolt but its alot faster?

> chamber and casing arent going anywhere until manual action is engaged, it doesnt mess up the harmonics

> its a fucklot easier to just cycle it with a pump and it doesnt take your aim off the target either - check out olympic manual cycle 22 rifles if you dont believe me

Also .50 Caliber anti-materiel rifles should have a Belt Feed mechanism so they can just stick a standard M2 belt into it rather than deal with magazines or loading individual rounds.

> im serious about this, whether its MK211 or Match rounds it means they can lay down more firepower, accurately, even if its just one every second its gonna pin their ass down for a long time

> loading another belt doesnt take too long, and by then you've seriously fucked them in the ass

>>32762566
What's a seller's reserve?

>>32762944
it's the number that's higher than the actual market value of the item that the seller chooses to exercise his inner jew

>>32762944
the minimum a seller will take. If the bids don't reach the reserve the auction cancels.
so this:
>>32762977

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>>32762566
Check this bad boy out

>>32762926
>Pump action
>In prone or rested position as marksmen tend to be
Yeah no

>>32763034
Ew

>>32762075

Roller blocks look cool as hell, thanks anon, I didnt know the G3 worked like that. Someone should take the idea and start pumping them out for competitions and maybe go for a military contract. I have no idea about aftermarket PSG1 parts and from what I read on it they were too fragile for military use and were sold mostly to law enforcement.

I had an idea that may be dumb but what if you used the old WW2 German idea of adding a ring at the end of the barrel that catches the gas but made sure it doesn't contact the barrel. It didn't work out at the time because dirt got in it too easy but.. what if a shroud was built around the barrel with this ring at the end and an extra inch of open tube was added to better keep dirt out?

>>32763481
>Someone should take the idea and start pumping them out for competitions and maybe go for a military contract
HK already owns this patent and they are pretty tight on it.

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The Frenchs still uses this

On a side note.
Why haven't anybody made the pedersen device repro for modern bolts?

>>32763718
You have to mill off some of the receiver and I think the round was kind of anemic. Closest thing I've seen to it is those drop in .22 LR conversions for 5.56 AR's.