Steel Targets

No

unless you're doing cowboy action with mouse fart wax loads

>>32756095
Okay, that really doesn't explain much as to the no.

>>32755901
if you plan on shooting kind of close like with pistols, id pay more and get a steel from a known company.
if youre shooting at it with a rifle at 200 yards, id take a chance. it seems like this is steel more for the former, so i'd pass

>>32756146
look at the image you posted. That thing craters like the moon and that's at 200 meters. That shit isn't safe to shoot becuase there's a higher chance of ricochet.

Just save a bit more and buy AR500 targets. You can get 8" 3/8 rounds for like 20 bucks that could handle even 5.56 without cratering as long as it's further out than 100 yards. If you're shooting much further out or low energy rounds, you can even go with cheaper 3/16 thickness instead.

I wouldn't shoot these with rifle rounds unless they are at least maybe 250-300 yards.

>>32756189
fair enough, thank you for your reply.

>>32755901
Xsteel and never look back

1/2 inch lasts pretty much forever but it doesn't ring
I got an IPSC target in 1/2 and you can bang on it all day and it doesn't do anything

Apparently a friend of mine had a guy shoot 300 win mag with 150 grain rounds from like 30 yards and put a hole in it, though, so high velocity will kill it

If you want ringing, 3/8 is probably your best bet
1/4 inch is getting pretty thin so you'd only want to hit it at over 200 yards with rifles

>>32756239
i'm pretty sure well the post does state that anything larger than 556 and the target will not handle it.

>>32755901
Pay extra for AR500 from somewhere else. Unless you're shooting hollow point .22 it's going to swiss cheese the thing in no time. Meanwhile my AR500 can stand up to 7.62 NATO all day long with just minor divots.

>>32756292
get thicker AR500 pleb

I shoot my FAL at my 1/2 inch from less than 20 yards and it doesn't do anything

>>32756305
By divots, I'm not talking dents. Probably should have said minor pitting.

>>32756305
No you don't.

>>32756321
I'd show you it, but it's in my storage unit

Let me see if I have a picture

>>32756305
yeah, imma have to call bullshit on that.

>>32756292
i'm looking more at the cost here, this is roughly half of the cost of AR500 plates of similar size.

>>32756277
The post states it won't handle larger rifle rounds or AP.

A-36 can't really handle anything over 22lr without leaving poke marks. And it's the dimpling that causes it to be unsafe.

If it was free, i'd understand just shooting it and not caring, but why pay money for steel you'd just shoot up after a bit if you're shooting anything larger than 22lr at it?

You're better off just shooting those self healing targets even, although for the price of those, you're still better off just buying AR500 that will last forever if you take care of it and can actually resell if it's not fucked up.

>>32756357
And with an AR500 you get ten times the expected use. Boils down to the fact that this is still a shitty deal.

>>32756357
>it's half price...
...and and a quarter as useful.

>>32756359
You don't even have to take care of AR 500

I leave mine out 24/7

>>32756335
it leaves a very very small divot, but no denting at all
5.56 leaves a deeper one

I can't find a picture, so I'm going to see if I have one of my smaller 1/2 inch targets in my garage

brb

>>32756403
If it's marking it up then you shouldn't be doing it retard

If the surface isn't smooth that creates shrapnel that can come back toward you and be unpredictable.

>>32756398
I mean take care of it buy not shooting stuff above what it's rated for and leaving poke marks and craters everywhere.

>>32756357
Put it this way: You buy one of these and you get between 150-300 rounds of 5.56 on it before it starts to get holes in it. Get closer than 100 yards and you'll get less use. I don't know about you, but that's an hour or two at the range assuming I'm taking my time.

With a good hardened 3/8" steel plate, you can take upwards of 5,000 rounds of 5.56 before you have to retire it.

>>32756434
Ah gotcha

Ar500 is pretty amazing stuff any light amount of rust just gets shot right off and mine is always completely smooth. Best gun related purchase I've made sans actual firearm.

>>32756448
>>32756359
insightful posts. thanks anons.

Actually got three AR500 targets from family for Christmas: two silhouettes and a gong. Looking forward to building a stand and taking them out in the next couple weeks.

>>32756420
nigger I've shot it at over 300 yards and it still makes a mark

You've clearly never shot AR500 before

>>32756434
you've never shot AR500 before

>>32756509
I have. I've shot .223 at mine from a little over 100 and got nothing.

Maybe you got shitty steel dumbfuck

>>32756522
And yet they shoot 308 at targets under 20 yards in Heavy Metal competition and use the targets all the time

Do you have a snarky explanation for that?

>>32756470
make sure theyre solid. its a pain to have to reset the steel after every few shots (from it getting knocked off)

>>32756549
Maybe they don't care about the marks and danger from shrapnel? Maybe they replace them frequently ?

You even said it left marks when you shot it dumbass. Read anything on shooting steel and it will tell you to not use marked up steel because of shrapnel redirection.


Actually you know what don't bother maybe you'll get your shit sliced up and learn your lesson the hard way.

>>32756575
>Maybe they don't care about the marks and danger from shrapnel?

well being as competition is safety oriented, that's wrong and you're wrong

>Maybe they replace them frequently ?

They don't
Ask me how I know

>You even said it left marks when you shot it dumbass

Yes and minor marks don't mean anything
The only thing that causes shrapnel to come back at the shooter is dents

>Read anything on shooting steel and it will tell you to not use marked up steel because of shrapnel redirection.

99% of that comes from companies not wanting to take liability

>>32756515
If you are they guy claiming that AR500 will have marks at everything that you shoot at it, you are wrong. It all comes down to velocity, angle, and the thickness of the plate.

Also, hot it is cut affects the strength as well. Plates cut with lasers will be weaker on the outside, while water jet cut strength with be uniform.

As a general rule, if the velocity is over 2800 fps, you will probably see some sort of pitting. Distance doesn't matter, angle might matter, how it's cut matters.

>>32756599
You're lying out your fucking teeth if you honestly think 308 at under 20 yards isn't going to make fuckin craters or deform the plate you stupid nigger.

Is it frangible ammo? If so I don't know why you keep talking

>>32756626
>s a general rule, if the velocity is over 2800 fps, you will probably see some sort of pitting. Distance doesn't matter, angle might matter, how it's cut matters.

so what you're saying is that 5.56 is going to dent a plate at anything under 200 yards and is now dangerous

Gotcha

Fucking idiot

>>32756636
>You're lying out your fucking teeth if you honestly think 308 at under 20 yards isn't going to make fuckin craters or deform the plate you stupid nigger.

OH NO!
a 1/16 inch divot is really going to bounce the whole bullet back at me!
It's almost like that never happens in competition!

>>32756657
Is it frangible ammo

Answer.

And yes divots can cause shrapnel redirection.

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>>32756700
ZQI, Wolf Gold, 5.45, and Tula

No

Not my pic but my plate has less divoting than this

>>32756569
Got some land, so planning on building a permanent stand. Probably a pair of wooden posts sunk in concrete with a cross beam up top. I'll mount chain on the cross beam and hang the targets from that.

>>32756758
I would not shoot at that close up no fucking way.

I don't believe you. Either. .308 fmj will mark up sub 20 yards and so will 5.45.

Your promoting unsafe use of ar500 in this thread

>>32756764
keep in mind, its possible the wood posts get cut up over time from all the shit flinging so you may have to replace them in time.

>>32756790
and you've never shot at AR500 because I've never taken any shrapnel back after over 30 people shooting it at one time as well as over 1000 rounds on it

You're parroting bullshit with no real world evidence that isn't written by someone with liability to avoid

>>32756764
bad idea
What do you do when you need to replace the wood?

>>32756657
>so what you're saying is that 5.56 is going to dent a plate at anything under 200 yards and is now dangerous
I didn't even imply any of that in that post.

My whole point is to shoot what the plate is rated for. If you are leaving poke marks, it means you are not shooting within rating.

No, small poke marks are not dangerous on there own, but accumulation of them, or more server craters, could become a shooting hazard.

>>32756821
>I've never had it happen so it doesn't happen

Lmao holy shit

Sorry I'm smarter and safer with ar500 than you it doesn't mean I haven't shot it dumbfuck.

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>>32756840
>I didn't even imply any of that in that post.

>As a general rule, if the velocity is over 2800 fps, you will probably see some sort of pitting. Distance doesn't matter

k

>If you are leaving poke marks, it means you are not shooting within rating.

Cool, my plate isn't denting and I use it just like Heavy Metal competitive shooters do

>small poke marks are not dangerous on there own, but accumulation of them, or more server craters

Okay so you admit that as it stands the divots are not dangerous, but when it dents, as it's NOT doing, it will become dangerous

Okay

>>32756856
whatever noguns

>>32756764
metal only the wood will eventually get shredded by spauling.

>>32756868
>Suggests unsafe steel shooting practices
>No clue what he's talking about
>Accuses others of damage control


Any new shooter here interested in steel disregard everything this dumbfuck says. There is no reason to take extra risk and shoot at fucked steel if you don't have to.

Use the steel as prescribed and be reasonable. Don't shoot 308 and 5.45 20 yards away.

>>32756919
My intentions with these a36 plate would be nothing more that 556 and 22 at a range of no less than 200m so i might take a chance and see how it turns out.

>>32756949
5.56 at 200 m should still be ar500

Lesser steel won't hold up well.

>>32756840
It's still, not a fucking moon fudd. People like you make me vote for common sense gun laws.

>>32756919
>>Suggests unsafe steel shooting practices

isn't unsafe to me or competitive shooters

>>No clue what he's talking about

Says the guy who doesn't own any AR500

>>32756949
A36 is trash and divots VERY easily

>>32756966
understandable

>>32756978
dude, im a CWI i deal with grades of all metalic types every day. I know the difference in a36 which has a BHN of mo more than 200 and ar500 if cut properly is BHN 500, and the chemical compositions are similar. I dont have my ASME Section II so i couldn't givew the exace chem comp and im too fucking lazy to google it right now.

>>32756978
My AR 500 has no divots or dents because I'm not a dumbfuck

>>32756868
No, that line did not imply
>so what you're saying is that 5.56 is going to dent a plate at anything under 200 yards and is now dangerous

You're saying I am claiming a single poke mark will make it dangerous, which I didn't say. Yes, I did say that accumulation and CRATERS could be an safety issue in the post after that, but you claimed I stated that fact in the post in which I didn't even mention it. Also not "will", but "could".

I wasn't even arguing against you're dumb claim considering .308 velocity and the strength of AR500 1/4"-1" plates and that there are even companies that sell setups for that.

I'm, not going to argue with you anymore, becuase it's clear that you're just twisting my words to argue something I wasn't even arguing in the first place.

>>32757042
>dude, im a CWI i deal with grades of all metalic types every day

I used A36 and it was denting HORRIBLY with x39

>>32757154
yeah, any thing over .556 on a36 and you going to get craters going 2/3 of the way through the plate and 3/16~1/4 protrusions from the back.

x54 just cuts throught i like butter and leaves roughly a 3/8" hole

>>32757190
5.56 has more likelihood to penetrate than x39 does

>>32757190
>5.56 has more likelihood to penetrate than x39 does

uh, no.

>>32757316
uhhh yeah since x39 doesn't cut through 1/4 inch and 5.56 can

>>32757324
fuck off with that noise faggot. I shot the op pic and had 4 other kommandos there shooting them with me. I know what each round on that target is from and your full of fucking shit.

>>32757362
you're the armslist poster?

K then

20 inch ARs can punch through 1/4 inch AR500 at short ranges

16s cannot

>>32756275
>Apparently a friend of mine had a guy shoot 300 win mag with 150 grain rounds from like 30 yards and put a hole in it, though, so high velocity will kill it

tfw put a hole through 1/2" AR500 at 50-60yds with a hot .22-250 load

shit was neat

>>32757380
i had 1/4"@100m, 3/16"@150m, and 3/8"@200 none of the 556 out of my 16" or the 18" and 20" barrels there put any holes in the plates. dented the fuck out of the 3/16" not even a dimple on the 3/8".

On the other hand the 762X54 cut through the 3/8" like fucking butter and the 7.62X39 cratered roughly 1/4" into the plate.

>>32757380
>16s cannot
they can. It depends on barrel and load but you can still easily hit that 3100ish fps needed to make AR500 your bitch with a 16" AR

>>32757625
do you have sauce on that loading because as someone who loads for speed, I've yet to see it

>>32757633
28.5-29gr of imr4895 using normal bulk 55gr FMJ projectiles and a black hole weaponry barrel

literally nothing special, you just havnt shot 1/4" steel close enough with it

the only reason we did the above was to shut down AR500 armor shills on kikebook

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>>32757684
well I guess I'll take your word for it since you're 4 grains over recommended max

>>32757751
>filename

should be something more like retard or darwin instead desu

>>32757751
>>32757684
>UGH WELL IF YOU LOAD WAY HOTTER THAN YOURE SUPPOSED TO ITLL EAT RIGHT THROUGH IT
>THATS HOW I TELL PEOPLE OFF WHO LIKE THINGS I DONT LIKE

boy you're fucking retarded