1903 Springfield vs 1917 Enfield

IMO the 1917. It was replaced due to political bullshit, not because the rifle had any particular failings.

>>32754035
Cock on open 1903 mauser action.
Cock on close 1917 enfield action.

>>32754035
>canuck
As long as it isn't the POS ross rifle.

The 1917 is longer and heavier. Thus, the 1917 is a better rifle while the 1903 is a better infantry weapon.

The 1917 is also theoretically more durable but the 1903 will outlast you regardless.

>>32754080
they're both very obviously mauser actions.

>>32754080
They're both mauser actions. We only called it an Enfield because it was supposed to be for the Brits.

>>32754179
>>32754178
So coned breech and angled camming are Mausers now?
Mauser's big thing was the patents on the feed, handling, and ejection of cartridges. The action was based on the French rifles of the ten years earlier.
The 1903 patents infringed by the americans were in regards to ejection and the magazine, not the action design.

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M1903:
- Lighter and shorter
- 5 round capacity
- Action cocks on opening
- Tangent signs
- Made by US military Arsenals at Springfield and Rock Island
- Early guns might explode in your face

M1917
- Heavier and longer
- 6 round capacity
- Action cocks on close
- Peep sights
- Made by private firms of Westinghouse, Remington, and Winchester.
- Will not explode in your face

Both rifles are extremely robust, with a slight edge probably going to the M1917 because despite having more intricate sights it protects them better. The sights on the 1903 are basic and work very well, but the M1917's are more precise. Both take the 1903 stripper clips, but because the M1917 can hold 5 in the magazine and another in the chamber if you wanted to do so. Early 1903 receivers were heat treated poorly and some of them suffered catastrophic failure, so there is a large range of early guns that today are considered unsafe to shoot, however that is probably pretty exaggerated. The 1903 is lighter, shorter, and many find it easier to handle and use, but that is a lot of personal preference.

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The 1917 was regarded as the best bolt action rifle of WWI by Julian S. Hatcher, the man who was basically responsible for building them and every other US Small arm.

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The M1917 far outnumbered the M1903 in service during WWI and the features and construction of the M1917 make it arguably the better rifle. However the M1903 is lighter and a bit shorter.

My grandfather's basic rifle marksmanship training was done with M1903's and M1917's during the advent of WWII. He remembered them simply called 'Springfields' and 'Enfields'. He stated the Springfield had a better reputation for accuracy so 'everyone wanted a Springfield'.

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>>32754092
Say that to my face, you fucking Frenchman. I bet your the sort of faggot who doesn't like shovels with holes in them either.

>>32754255
>Dual front locking lug controlled round feed turn bolt action with blade ejector and massive claw extractor
>Not a Mauser

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Well I own a P14 Enfield and I can tell you right now that I sneeze at my contemporaries at the range using M1903's. The P14/M1917 is a much nicer rifle to shoot and extremely accurate, the only issue I have is the weight at the front but if you're not a pussy you get used to it pretty quickly

>>32754255
>The action was based on the French rifles of the ten years earlier.
Please point me to the French bolt rifle that used a single-piece bolt body with dual-opposing locking lugs located on either side of the bolt face.

>>32754955
Lebel.
First use of front lugs.

>>32755011
>single-piece bolt body
>Lebel
Back to the books, kiddo.

>>32754554
Calm down Othias.

>>32755011

The 1903 is nothing like a lebel bolt.

You have to be a moron to look at a 1903 bolt and not see it's clear Mauser linage.

>>32755666
Thanks, Satan.