Shotty for the house

>>32747063
Remington QC has been spotty since '08 or so. I'd stick with Mossberg and that delicious aftermarket.

>Tactical

Mossberg 590, no contest. Remington safety placement a shit.

>>32747079
Lol ok a crossbolt safety is bad because you don't like it, I've seen more Mossbergs with ghetto rigged broken safeties because idiots drop their guns and it shatters the shitty plastic safety than I have functional guns

Mossberg
>>32747085
t. Remshit marketer

>>32747063

I've always preferred the Mossberg because of the extractors, loading, and I prefer the safety location. At the same time I appreciate the Remington's all metal construction and it is easier to take apart.

Having owned both I'd say Mossberg 500 because most things 'wrong' with the gun (plastic safety/trigger assembly) can be fixed with after market parts.

>>32747063
I prefer 870's OP, the newer ones are shit but pre 06 they're good to go and great guns. 590s are great as well and current ones are still fine to purchase but I'm not a fan of how the shell lifter and mechanism work and feel, nothing wrong with it but 870's will always feel nicer

>>32747063
I've got a Mossberg 500 and it treats me just fine, if you do indeed want a rem get an older one. The new ones might as well have a Jennings stamping on it.

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>>32747063
I have owned both the 870 and the 590. I sold the Remmy. Aftermarket is slightly in favor of the 870, but honestly, anything you want to do to a Remington you can do to your Mossberg. I like that the Mossy has the safety on the tang and that the slide release is behind the trigger rather than in front of it-- something my left-handed, petite girlfriend can appreciate. The Mossy also has dual extractors, slightly more points for reliability.

OP here, it was recommended that for the Remington 870 I go with Wilson Combat parts. I haven't received any recommendations for Mossberg aftermarket parts as of yet.

>>32747096
Lol no, if I worked for Remington I wouldn't be spending my time in this shithole. Enjoy your poorfag plastic Maverick 88, 870's last to more than twice the round count than Mossbergs are capable of because the alumnium receiver will beat itself out of shape. Which won't happen in steel 870's

>>32747105
I actually prefer the Mossberg shell lifter-- it stays up and out of the way, so you don't snag and pinch your thumb when loading under stress.

>>32747124
That's because they don't exist besides different barrel lengths and stocks, and making parts that should be metal, actually metal since they come with a lot of plastic internally. You also can't change capacity on Mossbergs unless you want to reduce it by sticking a plug in there, 870's can go up to 12-14 rounds if you want a massively long scattergat.

Adler A110 mate

I've owned both. The Remington was fine, but I am glad I went with the Mossberg. Better safety location, similar aftermarket. I like the feel of the Mossberg better, build quality and whatnot.

>>32747104
mosserg is easier to take off the barrel

>>32747132
Yeah but it also leaves the entire bottom of the gun open to the ingress of dirt, which could honestly be remedied by a couple shakes and smacks but I prefer the more coverage the 870-style lifter offers and I've never pinched my fingers on it no matter how retarded and fumbly the reload, unless you've got skinny Ayylium hands that is lol

>>32747063
winchester sxp

>>32747149
It's literally the same between the two guns you sperg

>>32747149
You also don't need to saw the receiver in half to replace an extractor.

Serious question:
In a country where you can (nearly) own anything you want, why buy a pump action over a semi auto, or a semi-auto magazine fed?

>>32747169
Because they're really fucking fun

>>32747149

Anything beyond that (bolt, extractors/ elevator) is worse than the Remington. Like anything that you do over and over it becomes easier until it is a non-issue, it is still a point towards the Remington though.

>>32747169
because my 590 holds 9, name a cheaper semi auto that hold more

>>32747176
fair enough, also with remmington, you can slap on extra magazine tube space.

>>32747167
You mean the ejector and it's literally drilling two holes in the reciever and rewelding, although this is done typically at the 50,000-70,000 round mark, which is coincidentally the limit of what a Mossberg can fire before the reciever is stretched out of shape to the point of failure, at which point the gun is then scrapped

>>32747169

They are fun, cheap, simple, and reliable. I do enjoy tube fed semi-autos and own a magazine fed shotgun but would always go straight for a Mossberg if I needed reliability and the added fun of manual feeding.

>>32747194
And the Police 870s fix this issue by having dual ejectors so if you go to that level the point is moot

>>32747125
Butthurt remshit owner trying to justify his rusted gun.
I bet even the maverick 88 is more reliable than the 870

>>32747142
I wish they were actually imported here my Aussie friend. But you fucks seem to be hogging them all. Hurry up and get your government to ban them so they can divert shipments to the U.S. lol

They seem like tons of fun and lever-action is just awesome anyways

Mossman has better controls. Safety is in a better spot, pump release is in a better spot, and there is no bullshit in the way of feeding the mag tube.

I will say that in my opinion an equivalent Remington seems to "feel" sturdier. I do not think this actually means anything though. I still prefer the Mossman.

>>32747169
>>32747169

Because pump actions can fire different power shells without cycling issues. A semi-auto set up to run higher power slugs and buckshot will not cycle birdshot or specialty rounds (like police would use, breaching charges/ bean bags)


>>32747183

You can add extension tubes easily to pretty much every semi-auto


>>32747171

also this nice digits

>>32747206
I've never seen a speck of rust on my parked 870, though mine is from an era when Remington wasn't shit and was a quality brand. Although those days are long past now but that doesn't mean they aren't great guns, certainly better than the hecho en Mexicó Maverick 88. I'd take a coach gun over that Tiajuana special

>>32747237
how much are semi autos?

i'd suggest a remington 1100 semi-auto
if price is the issue than you can probably get a mossberg 550 for cheaper than the 870 both are pretty much the same though 550 weighs better for tactical use imo

>>32747224
I'm salty I can't ever feasibly own a 500 or 870, but at least I can have a tacti-cool lever action.

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aesthetics

>>32747251
I'm the guy that keeps recommending 870's and straight up, 1100's are garbage guns for a semi, might as well go Beretta or Benelli or FN, anything but Remington for a semi

>>32747242
>mine is from an era when Remington wasn't shit
So your opinion is completely invalid then. Good to know.
Every dipfuck on GB or Armslist is asking double what Rems or Marlins are worth because DIS IS FROM DA GOOD OL DAYS THEY DON'T MAKE UM LIKE DIS ANYMOAH

>>32747085
590a1 metal safety master race
enjoy your single extractor remshit

>>32747247
For a good semi auto shotgun that functions reliably out of the box, you're gonna pay over a thousand, at least. My Benelli M4 set me back 1700.

>>32747273
nah ah. remington got the design perfectly and i've never had a jam after hundreds of shells fired

>>32747278
And they don't make them like they used to, literally, that's what happens when you move production lines for cost-cutting measures and fire your original staff and turn out guns on your company's brand recognition alone, current 870's are shit except the Police line, but pre 05 are still damn good guns. Is Remington a good company now? No. Is the 870 still the superior design? Yeah no doubt. Are 500's bad? Nah just cheap and rattletraps but they work for the most part

>>32747158
Lol, I wouldn't think a shell elevator is really going to stop dirt from coming in if it wants s why we run pump guns-- they're less fickle about such things. Also, if you haven't pinched yourself reloading, you're not running your gun enough. To OP, a Mossberg 590 A1 comes with a metal safety and trigger housing. You can swap out the safety for a larger one, but honestly, I run a 590 with the plastic housing and safety, and never broke it. If plastic were so bad, nobody would be making pistol frames out of it. The aluminum receiver is lighter and, yes, supposedly softer than the steel one on the Remington, but it has never been an issue either-- nobody complains about ARs being made of aluminum, right? Mine has several thousand rounds through it, and the receiver is just fine.

OP: at the end of the day, the best thing is to get whichever feels best in your hands, buy a ton of ammo and some snap caps, and do a ton of drills with your pump gun. Get a decent shell holder and practice running it, practice slug changeovers, practice using your light. I have a Surefire pump, and I run it a lot. I think a lot of people buy one and never really use it-- if they did, they'd realize it beats up your index finger a bit. I put foam padding to make this more tolerable at classes. You won't find these things out unless you put hundreds of shells through your gun.

>>32747292
ya I rather pay 400 for a good pump

>>32747284
And the equivalent 870, the Police, has dual ejectors and is all steel from the factory (enjoy your plastic trigger components) so you literally have no argument

>>32747307
>at the end of the day, the best thing is to get whichever feels best in your hands

Which is why a lot of people choose the 500/590. Objectively better control layout.

>>32747247
I picked up a mossberg 930 spx for a bit over $700. Cycles birdshot, buckshot, and slugs equally reliably. Holds eight shells and is fun as hell to shoot.

>>32747332
they are metal with the 590a1 and had a heavy walled barrel, and is drilled and tapped

>>32747343
can you mount an optic?

>>32747307
Lol I've run approximately 8,000 shells from my 870 doing all sorts of stupid things so I definitely have shot mine enough Mr. Tinyfingers and never once has it pinched me like you're suggesting happens all the time

>>32747332
590a1 has metal trigger grouping, noguns retard

>>32747345
Not on all 590s and even then they have plastic components in the trigger group itself. My friend had 2 590s that were slightly different, one having plastic trigger housing, one metal, and they still had the same plastic components inside

>>32747292
>For a good semi auto shotgun
>you're gonna pay over a thousand, at least

No.

Only if you convince yourself the only semi auto worth buying is a Benelli.

>>32747374
lmao stop being such a ding dong

>>32747374
a1 retard

>>32747352
The receiver is tapped for installing a rail, so yes you could.

>>32747169
Semi auto shotguns are much less reliable than pump actions. The ones that are reliable cost a little too much for me when I can get a very reliable gun for $300 or so

>>32747381
Did I bother your autism princess? They still have plastic in the FCG regardless if it's an A1 or not

>>32747396
oh nice, I'll have to check it out after I get other guns I need

>>32747401
they dont. stop embarrassing yourself.

>>32747401
Jesus, do you ever look at guns?

>>32747401
bruh i told you to stop being a ding dong knock it off already

>>32747063
Don't modify a defense weapon due to Mr. Shekelstein suing the shit out of you in court in defense of the dead's estate.

Mossberg hands-down. While Remington has history, it's shotgun ergonomics, design and general button placements are shit.

pawn shop has brand new moss 500 parkerized w/ pistol grip and breaching barrel for 350$ any good? Was thinking offer 300, but it's already "marked down"

>>32747450
meh

>>32747450
Not 100% sure its parkerized, may just be a matte finish?

>>32747401
No.

>>32747419
>>32747411
Lol you guys are both so wrong and so salty about it, enjoy your plastic internal components on your beater shotguns

>>32747464
>let me tell you about this gun i dont own
never change, /k/. enjoy going through life being a dingdong

>>32747450
you can get a 590 special purpose for 400

>>32747464
>continues to be a ding dong
sorry anon theres no hope for you

>>32747470
Lol google it you dumb bitch, or pull the trigger group from your A1 and post it, metal on the outside, plastic on the inside like all Mossberg 590's, 590A1's, and 500's, I'll wait.

>>32747454
The price or the weapon itself?
What do you think would be a good price?

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>>32747493
no no, go on. tell us more about the weapon youve literally never even held in your life>>32747374

>>32747493
>>32747510
ding dong get rekt

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Notice how everyone is talking about the 590 and not the 500 (as asked).
If you're looking for a legoland bubba build it kit then go for the customization of a moss 500.
If you're looking for the shotgun that shortened basketball players' lifespan across the nation, grab a rem 870. Especially for durability
>Police tested
>Jamal proven

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>>32747510
Lol reading comprehension is something Mossberg owners must not be very good at, pull your trigger group and post it, I'll wait

>No gunz
Lol ok

>>32747610
how did you get all those guns in australia

>>32747620
Buried them in the outback lol

>>32747610
You didnt even know the difference between a1 and 590. You've never held an a1 in your life. I'm going to be totally honest you, she's fully loaded, and i dont feel like thumbing out the rounds and reassembling just to humor your autism.

Holy shit I think I recognize you. There was another shotty thread where I contested birdshead is decent option for a home defense stock, and you went full blown autismo REEEEing "post your guns! post your guns!" then just told me to fuck myself when I posted it. Do you recall such an event? Or am I mistaken?

>>32747651
I do, you don't you're wrong and a simple googling would prove it, but you obviously so entrenched in the fact that you think you're right that you won't even type some words into the search bar.

And no for the record that wasn't me, I think birdshead are fine and actually highly underrated. But I know you won't humor me and post your shit you're a fag choking on your own bullshit lol

>>32747063
>>32747063
i think remingtons used to be better built but these days they both have about the same new age quality so just get whichever one has your favorite safety location. thats the only real difference

>>32747670
>I do
you dont.>>32747374
you've already demonstrated that. it's also pretty ironic you choose to bitch about reading comprehension. I'm wrong all the time, my man. and unlike SOME people I'm actually capable of admitting it. enjoy googling guns

>>32747687
THE INTERNAL FIRE CONTROL GROUP HAS PLASTIC IN IT, NOT EXTERNAL TRIGGER GUARD, THE INTERNAL COMPONENTS. DON'T BELIEVE ME? GOOGLE THAT SHIT OR PULL APART YOUR RATTLETRAP AND SEE FOR YOURSELF

There, that clear enough for you?

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>>32747710
Loud and clear.

>>32747718
>After the 590 came out the Navy/Marine Corps requested the heavy wall barrel to counter it getting dinged up in an all steel environment as onboard a ship.
The metal safety and trigger guard were also requests. The three upgrades were incorporated into the 590A1, and are the only differences between the 590 and the 590A1 except that the factory A1 receivers are stamped "M590A1."
The internals are exactly the same between the 590 and the 590A1; they are not beefed up. Even the 500 has the same internal components as the 590 and 590A1. The exceptions are the finish.

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>>32747267
Nova is vaporwave af

also lots more sturdy feeling then the mossbergs and rems ive held even though its lolplastic

>>32747745
They're nice guns, it's just the shotgun everybody forgets about lol. I saw a video awhile back where a dude found one sticking straight out of the bottom of a drained lake and once he soaked it in gasoline for a couple days, functioned just fine. If that's not reliability idk what is, who know how long that thing was down there?

I also like that you can break the whole whole gun down using it's own parts, very cool

>>32747772
the aftermarket is slim but I dont need much

even the side carrier I got specifically for it bumps into the pump a bit when pulling back so I had to file that edge of the shell holder down.

>>32747120
Ching chong ling long ugly chink sucks at sucking dick

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I've shot both and they seem to perform exactly the fucking same to me

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This thread still pops up?

1/2

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>>32747901
2/2

>>32747397
Step one, don't buy shit or second hand beat to shit autos? Every 1100 I've worked on cycles just about every brand round flawlessly.

Why do people want a shotgun over a carbine for the house?

>>32748091
blow holes in my home makes me feel better

>>32748091
carbine ammo would go thru walls possibly injuring or killing family/roomates

>>32748177
No.

>>32748091
Personally, I think it's a better weapon than an AR for home defense. My preferred response to an intruder is to cover a choke point and call the police. Anything coming through that choke point gets the equivalent of 9 rounds of 9mm in one trigger pull; that's a high percentage of getting a CNS hit and immediately stopping the bad guy. The shotgun sends more lead downrange per trigger pull than the AR; the idea is not to get into a prolonged gun fight, but to set up a ambush/kill zone and cause as much damage as quickly as possible.

An AR is lower recoil and semi auto, giving you quicker follow up shots. This is good for highly dynamic situations where there is lots of room to maneuver making the AR undeniably superior if you plan to clear your house room to room. I don't like this idea unless absolutely necessary (ie recovering family members in other rooms) because you don't know where the intruders are or what weapons they may have and you lose your tactical advantage if you stumble into them unexpectedly. Additionally, there are other combat factors you will have to take into account; if its low light situation the muzzle flash will most certainly blind you, and no matter what the report will deafen you, taking away some important sensory cues that help with target acquisition when you're moving around. You could of course use an attached tactical light or turn on a nearby light but remember lights will give away your position. You could also carry earplugs but thats one more thing you have to grab in a stressful situation.

I prefer to keep it as simple as possible, therefore I use the tool that best fits my strategy.

>>32749202
but a person being shot with a 12ga slug is more dead than AR

>>32747063
Both are good. Neither is better than the other. I prefer the 500 just because I'm more comfortable with the operation of it. Shoot both, buy the one you like.

>>32749339
damn right

>>32748091

how to defend your home

Beanbag - rocksalt - buckshot

>>32747085
>shatters
you would have to drop the rifle on a weird ass angle to damage the safety and even if you did drop it, I really don't see the safety breaking from a drop from a normal weight

>>32749473
Or you know, just having a pistol grip which changes the balance of the gun and makes it so it's easier to hit. I've got one buddy that just jammed a spent .380 casing underneath it to keep it pinned forward because recoil would engage it after every shot fired

>>32747423
>Don't modify a defense weapon due to Mr. Shekelstein suing the shit out of you in court
I hate armchair lawyers spouting off about shit they don't know about

>>32747158
It leaves the entire bottom open for the egress of shit as well, which is damn nice if it you drop it in sand or something.

>>32747332
>And the equivalent 870, the Police, has dual ejectors
No it doesn't, it just has the one reinforced.

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>>32749501
eeeeeeew, why the fuk would you put a pistol grip on a weapon with a tang safety?

pants on head retarded imo

>>32747063
Mossberg 590 for ambi safety
Mossberg 590 for shell lifter that stays out of the way for easier loading
Mossberg 590 for dual extractors
Mossberg 590 because you can put a fucking bayonet on it

>>32749556
590 for home defense
500 for the field or poorfag (18" hd bbl and 28" bird bbl for ~300 bucks!)

>>32749596
Or, take it a step further and get a Maverick 88. Basically a 500 but can be had new for under $200 if you're seriously poor.

>>32749453
>Beanbag
>Rock salt
>Leaving a dindu alive to sue you
>2017

>>32747423
stale meme

Put a light on your HD weapon, it is better to see what you are going to shoot.

>>32748091
>Wide spread
>Easy to use
>Makes a good club
>Communist states don't allow SBRs/SBSs
>Daddy Biden's recommendation
>Cheaper to buy and modify over an AR platform

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590 is pure sex, especially magpul ver.

>>32747140
you can change tube lengths on mossbergs, just not on maverick 88s

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My Chinkington 870 (Hawk 982) should be coming to my ffl soon. I made the mistake of doing the Bud's cash discount thing where they electronically debit your bank account. I didn't realize that Monday was Martin Luther King Jr. Day, so I've been waiting since the 14th for the funds to fully clear. Should arrive by Wednesday.

I used to have a Mossberg 500 that I really liked, so I'm curious as to how this will stack up. Probably gonna get some of that sexy police walnut furniture to go on it.

>>32750175
The vast majority of 500s are stuck with the shell capacity you buy it with, and require significant work to upgrade, whereas all 870's just need a knurled nut unscrewed and then an extension screwed on it's place. Which is way simpler in my opinion

>>32750282
My friend has a Norinco 1897 that's actually surprisingly nice, only thing is the heat shield screws stripped the first time he took it off, but everything else runs great about it

>>32747305
bought an 870 super mag made in the mid 80s, had like no rounds through it and came in the factory box with all manuals and 3 chokes. 300$ is pretty good for that plus I need to own at least one non shit remington because somewhere distant in my family tree some ancestor married into the Remington family, my grandmother had an heirloom Remington rifle but my uncle pawned it a long time ago, she is still pissed about that.

>>32750730
Upgrading the capacity on a Mossberg 500 is far from perfect, but it can be done. I bought an old 28" model from a pawnshop and two months later I put an extended 7+1 round tube magazine and 20" barrel on it.

You have to unscrew the old magazine from the receiver. Most people recommend doing this with a special wrench, but I did it with my bare hands. Just gotta get a firm grip on it and turn it left. Eventually the mag spring will try to send the tube rocketing off, but keep your grip firm and let it up slowly. Once that's done you just screw the new one in. The entire procedure took less than 5 minutes.

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>>32750088
Hell yes it is. Got my 590 Magpul edition (packernized) for $356

>>32747063
I'd get the 870. It is a lot smoother than the 500

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>>32751684

>Magpul furniture
Disgraceful.

Nice digits btw.