Convince NOT to buy this 1911 (I've never owned a 1911 before)

>>32743089
>made in Brazil
Well, there you go.
/thread

>>32743110
Hahahaha wtf? Are you dumb? Springfield is as American as Apple pie.

>>32743089
.45 can get pricey

Springfield brand holsters and magazine holsters are garbage, don't let that factor into your purchase

You're probably going to want more magazines than that, depending on how long you usually spend at the range

buy it faggot, it's gorgeous and Springfield makes great 1911s

>>32743121

Oh you sweet innocent child.

>>32743121
I'll take the bait. Look just above the serial on the frame in the picture.

It's a 1911.

>>32743127
>Springfield brand holsters and magazine holsters are garbage
second this. can confirm the ones i got with my new xd40 exactly the same style as in op pic.
they are trash. never used them

>>32743135
eh, i think he was joking anon

>>32743177

No, you weren't.

>>32743110
>>made in Brazil
wtf, my xd40 was made in Croatia. what changed?

>>32743089

>Convince NOT to buy this 1911

It's not a pre WW2 Colt.

It's not a WW2 era M1911A1.

I bet it does not even have a chromium lined 80's era USGI barrel.

Those mags don't have distinctive dual tone tempering marks nor lanyard loops, pass.

Relieved ejection port? Who ejects an unfired round from a 1911?

(No, really, chances are it's fine)

>>32743187

Xds are a rebranded Croatian firearm. Springfield 1911s are cheap pot steel bullshit made by the lowest bidder: in other words some slumlord factory in Brazil.

>>32743089
>1911
>Arched Mainspring housing

1911A1

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OP here, I just want to know if this gun is reliable or not?

Also how's the maintance on 1911s?

>>32743207

I do all the time, and that shit annoys the fuck out of me.
It also means dud rounds fuck you over even more.

>>32743219
Imbel is actually a pretty good firearms manufacturer though

Don't let Taurus ruin your idea of Brazilian firearms. Brazil is a violent shithole, and their police and military need some good fucking workhorse guns. Imbel supplies the police and military.

>>32743187
wow it's as if different guns could be made in different countries and still sold under the same brand! who would have thunk it?

fucking retard.

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>>32743254
you should just try to find a good deal on a used Colt. you'll be happier in the longer run.
maintenance is no biggy

>>32743089
Convince you? You've already made the cardinal sin of looking at a 1911 that isn't made by Colt. There is no hope for you. Shame on you

>>32743089
Don't

Buy Auto Ordnance instead.

>>32743277

lolno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw

>>32743308
Read my post again

more carefully this time

>>32743289
I heard some anon in another thread mention something about changing springs after 3k rounds?

What was he talking about?

>>32743308
he just said that taurus and imbel are not the same thing. are you really so brain dead that you don't even register what you just read?

>>32743314

>their police and military need some good fucking workhorse guns
Obviously fucking not.

>>32743278
fuck off it was an honest question.
excuse me for not knowing the entire business and manufacturing structure of a company i've only ever bought one single product from.

>>32743323
see
>>32743327

Pretty rich of you to accuse me of being the retarded one though.

>>32743336
it's an honest question that you could have googled if you weren't dumber than a fucking chimpanzee.

>>32743341
is this your idea of trolling

>>32743089
You're better off waiting and continuing to save up for a higher tier pistol with stuff such as decent sights, a beavertail, and checkering on the frontstrap/mainspring housing. It's an even better idea to do so because people often end up buying multiple 1911's and saying "Why didn't I just do this from the beginning?" after they finally get a high tier one, so you'll probably save money in the long run.

But hey, if it's what you want at the price you want nothing /k/ says will change your mind.

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>>32743089
>Convince NOT to buy this 1911

an RIA 1911 will do the same job for less.
although its made by flips rather than BRBRBR HUEHUEs, so pick your poison

http://www.brownells.com/firearms/handguns/semi-auto/m1911-a1-gi-5in-45-acp-parkerized-8-1-sku100300202-91532-177260.aspx?cm_mmc=cse-_-Itwine-_-shopzilla-_-100-300-202&utm_medium=cse&utm_source=connexity&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_content=100-300-202

>>32743273

Drop the mag, left hand over the ejection port, rack it.

Give it a try.

Also-
What are you shooting that gives you duds?
Near 40 years of owning 1911's and I bet I could count the number of pure FTF's on one hand.

>>32743354

>anon says the huehue police need good guns, and that they are supplied by Imbel
>post a video showing that huehue land clearly doesn't give a fuck about the quality of the guns they give their cops, and supply them with taurus trash

And now I'm apparently trolling.
Cool.

>>32743363
I just want a 1911 thats reliable and holds up in the long run. I don't care if it's not a championship match pistol.

>>32743375
I thought RIA had looser tolerances? Also aren't they inaccurate at rangers farther than 15 yards?

>>32743320
I'm not an expert on the 1911. but i know certain models or years of manufacture do have specific maintenance issues. shouldn't be anything to worry about. just research what you end up getting and be aware of its particular characteristics.
my colt compact 1991a1 is a 'series 90' design which 1911 guys dislike because of reasons.
it was a simple matter of swapping out some internal parts to make it a 'series 80'.
after watching some decent video reviews of the mechanics of it and the retrofitting process on YT, it only cost a few dollars in parts and about 15 minutes of my own time to do.

>>32743388

>Drop the mag, left hand over the ejection port, rack it.
Doesn't always work.

>What are you shooting that gives you duds?
I've never had one. But the fact that a milspec ejection port fucks you over if one happens is concerning, and the reason I use lowered and flared in my carry gun.

>Near 40 years of owning 1911's and I bet I could count the number of pure FTF's on one hand.
Well my carry gun has about 4k rounds through it (not a ton) but I can count the number of failures its had on zero hands.
Meanwhile, the series 70 Colt I bought had nonstop issues. Sent it in to Colt literally 6 times over 2 years.
They finally agreed to give me a refund. (which I'm still waiting for.)

Once again, the entire Springfield 1911 line is now made in the US. They haven't made a Brazilian 1911 in 5 years.

>>32743398

Army uses IMBEL, Military police uses Taurus.

t. Armyfag.

ffs why everything have to be a fucking argument, Jesus.

>>32743219
Only the lower-end Springfield guns had Brazilian-made frames, and I'm pretty sure they don't anymore regardless

>>32743110
Any of the newer mil-specs are made in the USA. Check the SN for the preface 'NM'. If it's got that, you're golden.

>>32743353
why the fuck would i want to google it when there obviously people in this very thread having an actual live discussion of this very thing?
jesus christ, take your meds and go to bed grampa. you're acting like a grumpy old curmudgeon again

>>32743451
But where do the parts come from?

>>32743410
ive never had a problem with my RIA 1911, and groupings are pretty good at 25 yards with herters ball ammo. I imagaine the fit, finish and tolerances aren't as good as a les baer, but I haven't noticed it being worse than a springfield or a Remington 1911. I just think its a good cheap option to get youre feet wet, and if you want to go crazy and get a series 70 or 80 down the road for triple the price, go ahead.

if you want an heirloom piece, keep an eye out for colt series 70s, and 80s or actual world war era GI models made by colt, Remington, auto ordinance, or singer.

>>32743467
just because they're stamped as made in the US doesn't mean what you think it means. there's just a threshold (more than half i believe) of the parts have to be made in the US for them to be legally able to stamp it as made in the US.

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>>32743089
The turks make a nice 1911 at a price JMB intended.

Check out a tisas 1911 when you can. I dont think you can beat it for 390$ or less.

I dont dig the turk activities however, it might become an ethic problem for you. It wasnt for me though i got mine used from an Army Drill sergeant on the local base.

>>32743522
Negative, sir. They source their parts from TX and assemble them at a new shop that used to be a grocery store in the US.

>>32743538
i doubt that unless their source is even cheaper than imbel. springfield armory is notorious for being cheap as fuck and sacrificing quality while still charging premium prices.

>>32743673
>t. Random internet guy
In everything I've ever read, I have literally never heard that

>>32743719
you must not have read much then. enjoy your MIM parts.

>>32743435
*correction.
after re-reviewing the topic, i think what i actually did was convert my 1991A1 from a 'series 80' to a 'series 70'
its sort of confusing and easy to forget the difference if your not a longtime 1911 owner/connessour

>single stack fuddy five instead of a decent 9
>7 round capacity vs a CZ97 10 round capacity

No.

>>32743833
Tell me more about this CZ97?

>>32743833
>Wah stop liking what I don't like
I love CZs, but I will say absolutely that a 1911 is a more enjoyable gun to shoot
>>32744032
It's basically just a CZ75 in .45
They are quite nice if you like CZs

>>32743538
>source their parts from TX
So, Mexico.

>>32743089

Had a fucking laughfest reading some of the posts in this thread.

OP, read some reviews on 1911 specific web sites, and you'll see that Springfield Armory enjoys a fine reputation, and their 1911s are some of the best made.

I bought a SA 1911A1 Government model in the 1980s, and it fired a group that was one ragged hole right out of the box.

The worst 1911 I ever owned was a Colt series 80. From a sandbag rest, I was having fliers 50% of the time that wouldn't even print at 25 feet. The fucking thing could just about shoot around corners. I took it back to the gunshop, and they sent it back to Colt. After 2 months, Colt returned it with a letter that said that it was within "factory tolerances." It appeared to be untouched to me. However, the shop allowed me to trade it in at purchase price for something that actually worked.

If you can get the SA 1911A1 at a decent price, I'd go for it.

The guy with the hysterical rants might be a salesman for Rock Island.

>>32743745
Jesus you're the same guy I argue with every time a 1911 thread comes up and someone mentions SA. They probably make the best sub $1000 1911s in the industry. Any gun in that sub 1k class is going to have some MIM parts, some better quality than others. SA is best in class.

>>32744108
>my lone experience with one particular gun outshines anything anyone can say about anything here
whoah, step aside folks. we got ourselves a real red blooded top tier professional firearms critic here

>>32744130
>SA is best in class.
jesus, what are you? a former VW car salesman who got hired by SA marketing dept?
how's that emissions analysis software programming working for you guys these days?

>>32744142
>we got ourselves a real red blooded top tier professional firearms critic here

Nope, just my experience.

Snivel harder, fag, you sound like a child who got his knowledge from airsoft and vidya.

lmfao.

>>32744189
Nice deflection

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>>32743089
You could do better purchases, but you could do a lot worse too.

>>32743127
>.45 can get pricey
There exists 9mm 1911 pistols.

Pretty far back even.

>>32744108
>1980s springfield is the same exact springfield sold three decades later

>>32743294
>the cardinal sin of looking at a 1911 that isn't made by Colt
Fudds must die.

>>32744229
Are 9mm 1911s inherently more reliable?

>>32743089
Buy a Remington Rand 1911

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>>32743410
>I thought RIA had looser tolerances?
They do, compared to a lot of the 1911s you see today, but it's a cheaper gun, and it's intended to be closer to a lot of the WW1/WW2 era tolerances, which were pretty rattly.

They were meant to hit a mansized target within 25 yards, not put holes in holes at a competition, and the RIA (at least the basic models) are meant closer to that.

>Also aren't they inaccurate at rangers farther than 15 yards?
They should have no issues going out to 25 yards, which is about the longest distance you'd really want to use a service pistol at anyway.

If what you want is a tighter gun that'll shoot tighter groupings you'll want to look at another brand, like Dan Wesson or Auto Ordnance.

>>32744298
>Are 9mm 1911s inherently more reliable?

Why would they be?

>>32744108
Meh, they're mediocre. Which is fine in it's own way. Kimber and their wiggily ejectors are the only ones I really have an issue with, and even they (supposedly) have fixed that.

A lot of why they (SA) get a good rep is price point and collectors hoarding older 1911's.

For what you pay (if you shop hard) they are fine, and the vast majority of their market base will never know the difference between a prewar Colt commercial, a postwar Colt, and a modern IC SA offering.

And frankly, for most purposes, the differences are inconsequential.

People put too much into the whole "M1911" gig, but feel that they have to have new.

Educate yourself and shop harder.
An Argentine "Systema 1927" in decent shape is a much better buy than most new 1911 clones, when talking under $500.00, since it essentially is a pre WW2 Colt.

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>>32744298
Depends, but it should generally be fine.

Something like an old Spanish Star should be fine, though some of the magazines you find can be pretty old and deficient, so you might want to see if you can find brand new ones.

>>32744333

They are a bit scarcer, and actually wonderful shooters. Recoil is very mild.
Sadly, "good" magazines are very scarce.

I regret selling mine.

>>32744130
>Any gun in that sub 1k class is going to have some MIM parts

Not so/ Auto Ordnance makes all parts, except springs, in house.

>>32744341
>Argentine "Systema 1927

Sistema

>>32743089
I can't do that in good conscience OP

>>32743410
They are close range man stoppers per the .45 mythos. You might be able to do tight groups on it at the range at 25 but with practice. Are you in for a fun gun/self defense handgun or are you into holes on holes at 25?
Buy if former go elsewhere for latter.

see
>>32744328


One reason loose tolerance guns are acceptable in military service is it does not hang on little crud usually. The predecessor to the MG 42 the Maschinengewehr 34 had a annoying tendency to get fouled by small particulate matter. The MG 42 was easier to build, simpler in action and more tolerant to crud in the field.

Personally I've transitioned from .45 to 9mm but I still have a favorite .45 as a house gun.

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>>32744364
>Sadly, "good" magazines are very scarce.
You'd think someone like MecGar would make mags for stuff like the Star, they already make magazines for modern 9mm 1911s, hell, they make Luger magazines too.

Generally they're of very good quality.

>>32744446
Dirt is a factor, but cost is almost as big, they're not target guns and don't need to put holes in holes, so it's perfectly fine if they're a bit sloppy, especially if it keeps cost down.

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The one single reason why I haven't bought one of the Tisas GI 1911's is because they have the ugly ass lawyer mark on the frame.

I really wish companies would stop doing that, but unfortunately it seems to be getting more and more common.

>>32744407
Thank you, Senor spellcheck.

>>32744468

The vast majority of my 1911 mags are pre WW2.
I think I own two postwar magazines. SO when I say "good" I mean "Factory".

And yes, Mec Gar mags are decent, I have a few for my CZ 75 and P-38.

I just always hold them in reserve. Call it a phobia.

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>>32744377
I still can't believe a 1911 with "DESERT EAGLE 1911G" printed on the slide is as nice as it is. It's such a comical item.

Oh well, the Auto Ornance brand is without that billboard, so that helps.

>>32744377
MIM means metal injection molding not made in Mexico.

>>32744341
I'd agree with a lot of this, when shopping for a 1911 people need to figure out what style 1911 they want first. I like my SAs as modern style 1911s with all the bells and whistles, but if I were to get a new production WWII style one I'd look at AO.

>>32744695
Oh yeah. I forget that

>>32743089
can't conceal and carry comfortably

>>32744891
Lots of people do it every day

>>32744891
Not everyone is a skinny manlet dressed in tights.

Im going to jump in here and say cimarron makes the best 1911 under 100, the slant eyed bastards that make em really know what their doing

>>32745159
>slant eyes
Aren't they Spaniards?

>>32745159
*1000

Also the polished blue model is also the best looking 1911 in its price range

>>32745187
Nope, filipinos

>>32743089
I had a range officer for a while. It was a great gun that I loved to shoot. I only got rid of it because it was to pricey to regularly feed.