Why do so many recklessly carry with a round in the chamber,

I've got a safety with a pin block. See if I give a fuck. Appendix carry no less.

>>32725438

You have obviously never been in a confrontation involving a firearm.

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>>32725438
>Officer carry during war is anything like civilian concealed carry

Do you also carry in a cross-draw holster on your tunic belt?

>>32725449

You must worship the manufacturer like a god, to trust that everything is made perfectly. Pin block safeties can and do fail; they aren't foolproof. But hey, if hubris isn't worth risking the lives of yourself, your family, and anyone unlucky enough to be around you what is?

>>32725438
Depends on the gun in question. Some are inherently unsafe like the tokarev you mention and some are better set as well. I personally like DA/SA paired with a decocker only, but that's me.

>soviets cant into mechanical safety design
>better worship archaic slavshit practices from 60 current years ago despite the current year

Really activates my almonds

>>32725465

No, cross draw is intrinsically unsafe. I pocket carry my Ruger LCR, hammer resting on an empty chamber.

>>32725497
Great job, retard. There a block there for a reason.

>>32725468
Nah it's just a CZ.
Considering the barrel is pointed at my dick nobody else really has to worry, I don't mean to brag but you'd need a goddamn anti tank rifle to get through the constant, throbbing erection a fully loaded real steel wonder 9 gives me.

>>32725506

I don't trust people's lives with these new gadgets and neither does any other responsible gun owner.

>>32725497
>"I carry the way soviets did because they knew best!"
>Doesn't carry the actual way soviets did.

Also carrying without "one in the chamber" doesn't mean cowboy carrying, and unless you're carrying a SAA cowboy carrying is retarded.

>>32725529

Read more carefully friend. He asked if I cross draw, and I said no and why. The Soviets didn't know best,, I just brought them up to establish you can carry without one in the chamber without sacrificing readiness, if you're willing to work hard (unlike most people today)

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>>32725497

This is so stupid, holy shit. You keep the hamer on an empty cylinder on an LCR? The fuck?

>>32725529

a transfer bar solves all that. it doesn't look as sexy without a firing pin on the hammer, but a Vaquero works a ton better.

>>32725580
Except that it does sacrifice readiness, as does carrying cross-draw. Officer's side arms weren't meant for drawing suddenly if an enemy jumped out of a bush 3 feet in front of them, which is why they carried cross draw without one in the chamber.

Cross draw because they wanted it to look good on their uniform (the main purpose of the pistol really, besides executing cowards) and without one in the chamber because they were carrying cross draw and didn't really need to be able to come up quickly.

For a self defense weapon, if you can't draw and fire it with one hand you're not doing it correctly.

If you're carrying a revolver, consider the fact that keeping an empty chamber still means that pulling the trigger will shoot (just as easily as a semi-auto with one in the chamber) and that all you're doing is cowboy LARPing.

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this is bait, but in case someone wanders in here and doesn't know

carrying one in the chamber isn't some autistic "fewer movements so I can get the tiny advantage in a gun duel where we have agreed to wait to draw" thing. It's so you can draw and fire the pistol one-handed, or with your offhand. You don't always have the chance to rack the slide if you're in a situation that warrants drawing.

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>>32725438

>>32725580
>soviets are great
>soviets did this
>read my stuff note carefully, I didn't say they know how best
>just to base your decisions on what they decided
>the tokarev has no safety? Well I bet if it had a safety whey still would not have one in the chamber

>>32725607

I never considered cross draw because too easy to sweep yourself. I'm not going to draw, I just fire it from inside my pocket. Might burn myself a bit but if I need it that's a small price.

I keep empty cylinder in the middle in case it's dropped. You can trust your gizmos but I'll stick with the tried and true methods tested over a century.

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>>32725497

>>32725618

Dumb, LCR is a revolver, no slide brother

>>32725438
No need for me to carry one in the chamber unless I am about to shoot something. I'm not a cop, nor do I put myself in questionable situations alot. But if I need to I can rack a slide no problem.

>>32725634
I wasn't referring to that post, I thought it was obvious that that was pure retardation

>>32725637
on the off chance that this isn't bait, why don't you just keep your gun at home? you obviously have lots of time to spare before you need use it, you should just go home first and fetch it instead of carrying.

>>32725520
The safety failing would be catastrophic

You might as well assume that its probably going to explode in your hand so you EDC bomb gloves and a face mask

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>>32725627
>not trusting something to block the firing pin
>drives an automobile
>has flown in a plane
>not trusting something to block a firing pin

>>32725648
I have a gun in my truck because I have a ranch, and drive alot. I don't carry on myself unless at the ranch. Pretty safe where I live for the most part.

>>32725438
OP has so much fumblr-tier 'PTSD' from his last ND, that he is bitching out and jumping on the wagon with his inane librul ideology that 'gunz go off, for like, no reason; they got a mind of their own n stuff'

That being said, its probably not the best idea to carry a WWII Tok with the hammer back or halfcocked, or a Nambu with or without the safety on.

>>32725648
https://youtu.be/bjP18f9yJGE?t=1m37s

>>32725634
>>32725627
>Talks about not keeping one in the chamber
>Actually talking exclusively about revolvers
Huehue

Do you also point the muzzle of your gun up when cocking it?

That was what cowboys did too. A "tried and true" method, as they say.

Of course, they only had to do that because of quirks of 1800's guns that have nothing to do with the way guns work now, but the same is true of cowboy loading.

>Inb4 you use bore butter on your cylinders, "just like the old days"

>>32725438
Somebody please post the video where the girl with the airsoft gun practices drawing against a knife assailant but needs to rack the slide

>>32725627

Safeties on first world guns have been reliable for over a century, now. As such, GI's and cops have by and large been keeping one in the pipe if they were likely to need it quickly.

At any rate, mostly officers carry handguns and they are by no means pistoleros and should not be looked up to.

Overall, your demeanor and verbage in this thread have indicated that you're either a fudd, a newguns, or a faggot.

>>32725438
Thisismysafety.gif

>>32725698

Yeah right, there's Buckmarks that fire just turning the safety off. Taurus has put out guns that fire from a 3 foot drop. Nobody knows these are dangerous until after they endanger people

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>>32725776
>Taurus
>first world gun
Taurus is shit, and has been known to be shit for a long time. It's your own fault if you buy a shitty, cheaply-made gun.

>>32725776

But you're not carrying a shitty gun, you're carrying a quality piece that has been tested.

And if you don't mind, I'll be seeing your sources on both of those claims.

>>32725800
http://www.firearmsid.com/Recalls/Firearm%20Recall%20Index.htm

Taurus 74 and the only Buckmark on there

>>32725812

They recalled the pistol BOX on the buckmark, and last call was 1997. Since you've got an LCR handy, go ahead and kill yourself.

>>32725627
>i plan for failure
why have a gun at all, then? it's just a bigger "gizmo" that contains the smaller "gizmos."

>>32725812

And the fucking Taurus thing was from 1978.

You're using old, tired fuddlogic.

You're a fudd.

>>32725438
idk people think that they're going to be in an extremely circumstantial situation where they NEED to save the 1/2 to 1 sec it takes to rack the slide of their CCW to save the day.

Cocked and locked is the way I carry but if you can train to rack it and feel more safe with yourself with that on you then go for it.

>>32725856
It's not about the time, it's about needing two hands.

Needing to use both hands to get your weapon ready means that you have no way to delay an attack from an opponent, and if you're taken to the ground without one in the chamber you're just dead.

>>32725890
wow I'm dumb as shit. never thought about that. Also because you have to use two hands you're going to be more blatant using two arms to prepare the gun than you would if you just could use one arm

>>32725856

Thanks, it's good to see someone here talking sense. I'm convinced though, I guess with the newest guns it's okay to carry with one chambered and the safety on. Believe it or not though people at my work carry old 9 mm makarov guns with one in the chamber and it just doesn't sit easy with me. Are the polish p64s safe to carry that way?

>>32725890

Soviets could do it with one hand on their Toks, I don't see why newer guns couldn't do the same.

>>32725918
Makarovs have a block to prevent the hammer from contacting the firing pin when the safety is on. It is an extremely robust feature that isn't likely to fail unless the gun itself is about to fail catastrophically.

>>32725939

They aren't makarovs though, just the ammo is 9mm Makarov. They bought a couple of polish surplus P64s on the cheap.

>>32725969
P64s have an almost identical safety block, according to a buddy of mine who owns one.

>>32725929

Soviet officers would very rarely have been drawing at the spur of the moment with someone on top of them.

I don't think you know what a Soviet did. I think you're a more literate version of Tommy or Callum.

>>32725595
>4 shots of .38 special

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>>32725438
Neck yourself my man

>>32725497
So you intentionally Cary one less round because you think it will magically fire even though your wheel has to cycle anyway when you pull the trigger?

>>32725634
Then why did you post a picture of a slide gat instead of a wheel gat?

>>32725796

You're a faggot. Ask anyone who actually works with guns for a living and they will tell you about the massive improvements in quality Taurus has made over the last several years. But by all means, keep fucking yourself in the ass with your Glocks and Sigs.

>>32726307

Taurus is and has always been Brazilian monkey shit. Everything they make is a cheap copy that either doesn't cycle properly, blows up, fires when you shake the pistol, or )in the case of their revolvers) are ugly and made of shitty cast pot metal.

No thanks. Brazil is shit, Taurus is shit, everything down there is shit.

My two favorite dumb things are cocked back carry and that somewhat rare thing where they chamber the same carry bullet so many times it gets pushed down inside the casing.

>>32725438
I would absolutely buy a tokagypt.

>>32726370
Bullet setback? Setback is absolutely a real thing. I have several dummy rounds where its pretty obviously visible.

>>32725458
Thus spoken

>>32725580
>without sacrificing readiness
did the soviets use PACT timers?

>>32725856
in 1/2 second i can pump out 2 rounds easily into an a-zone at 7 yards. in 1 second i can put 4-5 rounds in that a-zone. so yes 1 second can easily be the difference between going home unscathed and leaving in a body bag

>>32725465
Unlike their German counterparts, Soviet officers didn't do crossdraw. Too bourgeois for them I guess.

>>32725650
AKA standard Gen2 Glock 22 operation procedure

>>32725497
>I pocket carry
What in the fuck

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>>32725465
Loyalty until Death
Strength in Unity

>>32725438
>"There's 2 kinds of gun owners, those who have had negligent discharges and those who lie."

ok i fell for it up untill there
who said that? are you quoting yourself? fuck off

>>32725474
>sig and hk master race

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>>32727540
>Filthy Xeno worshipping Vanu
Opinion Discarded

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>>32727540
>2003+14
>Vanu Sovereignty

Ishiggydiggydo

>>32726370
bullet setback is a real thing

god damn nigger where are you cucking about nawadays where you literally do nothing but sit on your ass and invent shit to bitch about?

>>32726370
(You)

>>32725438
>this fag needs to shoot someone one day
>when questioned by gung-ho DA "how did did everything happen"
>well I drew, racked the slide, pointed and fired
>so you had all that time but not enough time to get away safely?
>GUILTY

Improbable as fuck.
About as improbable as this nigger's reasoning for carrying with an empty chamber

Stop being a scary ass nigga and carry correctly

4/10 for making me respond to your shitty bait thread

>>32725607
>Cross draw because they wanted it to look good on their uniform
No, they wore their holster on their left side because they wore belts up high. It's awkward to pull your sidearm out of your holster when it's in your armpit.

>>32733760

That's a bunch of junk you made up. That has never happened to anyone as you describe it.

>>32735325
No generally it winds up with them in the hospital because it took to long to chamber a round.

>>32725438
Yeah I'm sure the soviets did fine carrying without one in the chamber since most of their kills were executing dissidents

>>32726307
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Fuck you, retard

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>>32733528
>NC looking that glorious
>literally employed as a mercenary by Burger King

>>32726339
You're so full of shit it's coming out of your mouth.

>>32725595
Sauce me on that webm

>>32725697
Never heard of this before, would like source if anybody has it

>>32726339
no guns faggot who has never owned a taurus let alone any other firearm

>>32725627
>I'll stick with the tried and true methods tested over a century.

no, you don't get it. You don't understand why they did that and why it's useless now.

>>32725987
I own one, and they do.

In fact, I had the safety block on mine snap in half when I engaged it. What happened? Nothing. The pieces still kwpt the hammer from contacting the firing pin.

I carry with one in the chamber.

there are somes guns you can carry chamber loaded and some you cant just do the right thing for the right gun. most modern guns are drop safe. but i see OPs point if you are carrying an authentic 1873 SAA or some shitty Lorcin

>>32726307

> massive improvements

Anon, when you're at the bottom, there's only one way to go.

>>32725497

bruh its a dao its perfectly safe to carry it with the hammer on a chamber

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>>32725508

>>32725627
>discharges a weapon without aiming
Neck yourself.

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>>32725627
>I'll stick with the tried and true methods tested over a century.

>>32725654
What the fuck us white powder?

>>32725438

>gun goes off
>you did anything but pull the trigger

You bought a shit gun.

>>32729508

He's quoting the troll ND thread that kicks off every now and again.

>>32744118
nitrocellulose powder eg smokeless

>>32725438
I carry a round in the chamber because I learned what happens when you don't

>live in black neighborhood, am not black
>CC from the day I turn 21, because doing it any sooner would be illegal ;^)
>always kept the chamber clear because I was worried about blowing my dick off
>a couple of confrontational gentlemen accost me for "green", uncertain if weed or money, tell them I don't have anything
>they crowd me, start pushing me, I push back
>one pulls out knife, I react and pull gun out, try to rack slide to chamber a round
>in the time it took me to rack the slide, he reached close enough to stab me in the side
>I fall, they steal my gun, ended up needing 20-something stitches

They could have shot me if they wanted to, since I did chamber a round, but I was one lucky motherfucker that they did not. If I had one in the chamber, I could have shot him and saved myself a lot of time and money. Learn from my mistake, guys

>>32725654
> $3.64 for a mail order shotgun
You will never get to experience this much freedom.
Why live?

>>32735943
One gorillion times this.

Any tokarev with hash marks in the grips was used to execute "cowards" who didn't want to charge German machine gun emplacements with a half interest stake in a garbage rod and a single five round clip of 54r.

>>32744422
I choose to live so that future generations might be as free as our ancestors.
Do your part, and make America great again.

>>32744118
>>32744197
I read it "white power" until I expanded the pic.

>>32744523
>half interest stake in a garbage rod
the one with the rifle shoots...

>>32744254
lol you uncoordinated faggot.

That's what you get for not training.

>>32725438
Fudd detected

>>32725438
Russian holsters were designed to let you rack the slide as you pushed the gun from them, idiot.

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>>32744422
That was about $70 at the time, still 100% want.

>>32725438

Was it the Tok or the Mak that had the really neat holster that you could push the gun forward to clear it?


Nice b8 m8

>>32746059

That's the tokarev.

>>32725438
>Soviets who carried sidearms could proficiently rack the slide on their Tokarevs as they pulled the gun from its holster, and they saw plenty of action in which they did this.

The US did the same thing with the 1911.

Then they realized that was dumb.

>>32725438
where can I get these tokarev grips