SIG 938

>>32724271
Its overall dope. Not the best trigger in the world, take off the grips when you clean it. Its about as small as 9mm comes

>>32724318
Why take off grips? and I thought the trigger was pretty good when I shot it...also can or no can?

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>>32724271
What does /k/ think about this one instead?

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Me likey. Have a P938 Nightmare (Why do they have to pick faggy try-hard names?), been carrying it for about 5 years now. Its like a teeny tiny baby 1911.

Complete list of issues with it:
The model name
The 'stripping-an-extra-round' thing. The feed ramp tends to scrape the top round in the make when going in to battery. It often pulls the top round forward a bit, and if you eject the mag after chambering a round, the top round in the mage will be pushed forward far enough that it pops out. Doesn't affect reliability in the least, but it is a bit annoying, and spooky until you get used to it. This may have been fixed in later production, as I don't hear about it as much any more, and my gun is pretty early production (serial number 0013XX).
The grip screws tended to come loose over a few months. Tiny bit of purple (low strength) Loctite took care of it.
Had major issues with Hornady Match steel-cased ammo. FTF every other round. Have never had a failure with other ammo, and its eaten plenty of WWB and MagTech. Standard diet is Hornady Critical Defense.

The 938 is the mini-1911, the 290 is the mini-229. There's also the 320sc if you like strikers and the 250's if you're on a budget.
People say the guide rods bend if you assemble them incorrectly.

>>32724368
No.

Get a 938 instead.

Also 938 is a great gun. I have the Extreme edition with the G10 grips and backstrap. I love it.

I've got the P238 and I love it. See no reason the 9mm version wouldn't also be dope.

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Find a P230/232 or PPK.

>Slimmer with longer barrel due to fixed barrel.
>Low comfy bore axis.
>More reliable.
>The safety on the 938 is super tiny and could be hard to operate
>looks way fucking better
>doesn't feel like an ergonomic shrunk down 9mm like a lot of sub compacts

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I've got this one, sweet little gun.

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>>32725717
The P230 is a fantastic gun, but the 238/938 are much better for when you're not even supposed to have a gun. They can be ankle carried, while the 230 cannot. If you want you can even throw it into your pocket adlnd it still isn't obvious.

Also the 230 has huge FTF issues with any JHP that isn't critical defense.

Only issues I've heard about are the price for its size and I've heard some complain of small and hard-to-align stock sights, although that's more subjective and you can make that call yourself by just looking at one in a store. Even then, there's always aftermarkets.

Thinking about getting one to replace/throw into rotation with my G43; I love the looks and it seems like it would be even easier to conceal. IMO they're one of the few guns that make for a "classier" CC without pushing the boundaries into autistic territory.

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>>32725754
Thats strange, i've shot nearly 500 rounds through mine (not a lot I know I shoot my 9mms a fucking lot) but never had issues. The mag sits as close to the bore axis as a 92 or glock I don't know why you'd have ftf issues.

>>32725849
The sharp lip on JHPs catch the feed ramp and get hung up. For me only Sig's (ironicly) JHP have had this happen (although I don't plink with JHP so the types I've used are slim). I've never had Critical defence hang up, but the round is much more pointed than standard JHPs. Others have had much more FTF issues with JHP than I have though.

https://www.hogueinc.com/store/products/sig-p238p938-g10-mainspring-housing-smooth-solid-black/7857

You will need this after about 300 rounds as the one it comes with is plastic and will grind down. Feel free to google it for more information.

tl;dr best, comfiest 9x19 carry piece. Mine have been flawless. Yes, I bought more than one

>>32726251
I've tested both open tip JHP's and those with the rubber tip inserts. No problems with either types of JHP on either of my P938's

>>32726310
This has been fixed for at least a year now. Before, some P938's were found to grind down their mainspring housings. Sig will fix it if you have an older model

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Great! My daily carry. If you want to go full faggot you'll need to replace the trigger. It's an infuriating process, but you'll only need to do it once.

>>32726377
I've never had any FTFs on my P238. The P230 was what we were talking about.

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>>32726618
How do you like that trigger? Was it worth the $?

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Anyone else using one of these versacarry things? They work surprisingly well with the 238/938s.

>>32724271
I shot it, thinking I wouldn't like it but it was one of the most accurate compacts I've ever shot. I just couldn't miss, now I kinda want one.

>>32725709
My gf carries a 238 and I carry the 938. They are both fucking great. Only reason I went with the 938 is because i thought it would be cool to have either one

>>32729214
doesn't this rub on your skin all day?

>>32725614
>The 'stripping-an-extra-round' thing. The feed ramp tends to scrape the top round in the make when going in to battery. It often pulls the top round forward a bit, and if you eject the mag after chambering a round, the top round in the mage will be pushed forward far enough that it pops out. Doesn't affect reliability in the least, but it is a bit annoying, and spooky until you get used to it. This may have been fixed in later production, as I don't hear about it as much any more, and my gun is pretty early production (serial number 0013XX).

Same thing here, with a much later model. I thought the mag was getting bad, bought a new one - no, out of the box it does the same thing. However, I think this issue is only with seven round mags, with a six rounder the top round moves slightly, but almost never pops.

>The grip screws tended to come loose over a few months. Tiny bit of purple (low strength) Loctite took care of it.
Blue works just as fine.

>Had major issues with Hornady Match steel-cased ammo. FTF every other round. Have never had a failure with other ammo, and its eaten plenty of WWB and MagTech. Standard diet is Hornady Critical Defense.
I heard an opinion that P938 has a problem with 115gr ammo, that may be the case. Also, it likes running a bit on a wet side, for me the best result is with Lucas Oil that comes in a box with it (tried TW25B, red, and thin oils - all worse).

My $0.02 about the holsters - Desantis MiniScabbard works very well as OWB (unlike the same model for P238 which is complete junk for too many reasons to list unless someone wants to hear), Blackpoint Tactical Mini Wing works nicely as IWB (though it has a tendency to shift back).

And last, but not least - Multi Holsters Elite Single Mag Holster, model specific for P938 - works like a charm but only if it is of a carbon fiber variety, people were unhappy with plastic (the CF is just a couple of dollars more expensive). 7 round magazine fits it better than the six.

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If this pistol was DA/SA I would buy it.

>>32732324
It's supposed to be carried cocked and locked (Condition 1). For those skittish, I've been carrying it for over a year and not even once had the safety disengaged by itself (though it feels a bit loose).

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>>32725717
P230 master race, the true .380 blowback. PP is only good in .32ACP
>>32725754
>238/938 are much better for when you're not even supposed to have a gun
Aye.
Not had feeding problems with my p230.

>end up carrying P938 most of the time

>>32732354
I don't like cocked and locked and doubt I ever will. The thought makes me uncomfortable.

>>32732378
Get used to it?

The safety on my P938 is tight, and although it took me a while before I was ready to carry with a round in the chamber there is mechanically nothing to worry about.

>>32732477
>Get used to it

Or I could buy a gun that doesn't make me uncomfortable and that doesn't have an antiquated battery of arms?

Yes it's unreasonable and not logical really to be nervous from it but feelings aren't always rational, I just can't imagine getting over it.

>>32732378
What he says: >>32732477

Start with carrying Condition 3. You will find that the safety stays on. Then you'll feel better about carrying Condition 1.

I do both. In relatively safe situations, at home and/or around many people that are unlikely to start shooting in a blink of an eye it's Condition 3. While driving and in shady situations, it's Condition 1. Fuck me, I don't want to get killed like this chick did: http://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/tempe/pd-19-year-old-chinese-student-shot-killed-by-woman-after-chain-reaction-collision-in-tempe

>>32732303
>I heard an opinion that P938 has a problem with 115gr ammo
Calling BS. Using Federal 115gr FMJ, I've been trying to induce failures via limp wristing and it's impossible. Couldn't even induce failures with an unseated magazine. P938 stronk

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>>32725717
my god i miss mine. i got it from an oregonbro for $350, but sold it when i became maximum poorfag.

i shouldn't have sold it. i would have bought freaking karl nill grips for it now that i have money. pic related.

>>32724271
238 is a better option

>>32734533
It is the original model, yes. If you look at 238 and 938 next to each other, you'll see that 938 is a "bigger 238" with some shortcuts necessary to make it work.

But sorry, 238 has no fucking punch. And a pain in the ass to find a good holster for - what do you use, anon?

>>32733007
My luck is different. Time to time, having FTEs/stovepipes with 115gr range ammo (though now that I think of it, never had it since I switched to Lucas oil). But never had a problem with defense ammo - I shoot through my current carry once in a while just to make sure things work. But I carry 135gr Critical Duty.

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>>32724271
Don't know about the 938 but the 238 Academy is a fine weapon. Night sights, x-grip, and an okay holster for $500. It's the best subcompact I've ever shot. Puts my SD9 (obviously) to shame.

>>32724271
It's a good gun with a pretty nice trigger. I have no idea why some people think the opposite, like >>32724318, but my theory is that either they have never held one or they just want to be contrarians. The only negative about the trigger is that it's serrated and the serrations are kind of sharp, but you can file that down pretty easily, since it's plastic.

I like mine, but I admit that it does have some issues that are either annoying or potentially troubling. As >>32725614 pointed out, the gun is designed in a certain way that when you remove the magazine after loading a round in the chamber, about 30% of the time the top round in the mag will pop out. It's not the feed ramp, but a weird ball bearing embedded in the slide.

Many issues affecting reliability have been addressed by Sig over the few years the gun has been out (they make the customer base beta test their guns); however, the two piece guide rod still hasn't been addressed - Google this for some examples.

Also, there are a number of annoyances when disassembling the gun, starting with the recoil spring, which is far stiffer and harder to get into the gun than it has any business being. Why couldn't they have designed a captured spring guide rod? If your cleaning patches catch the slide catch spring, it's possible to pull it out of the gun, which can cause problems. Also, the ejector is a weird spring-loaded design that needs to be pressed down when reassembling the slide.

All that aside, I've never had a jam with my P938, but then again, it sucks to shoot in terms of recoil, so I've probably only got 500 rounds through it in the year and a half I've owned it.

>>32725836
>and I've heard some complain of small and hard-to-align stock sights
Anybody who said that would be an actual retard. The sights are balmost the same size and profile as come on all other Sig P-series guns. Maybe you're thinking of a totally different gun??

>>32732354
>It's supposed to be carried cocked and locked (Condition 1). For those skittish,
If someone wants to carry DA/SA, they aren't "skittish" of SAO. It's because they don't want the thumb safety.

>>32734988
>238 has no fucking punch. And a pain in the ass to find a good holster for
There are just as many options for the P238 as there are for the P938.

>>32732374
Don't get me wrong. The P230 and P232 are bitchen guns, but each gun has a job, and the P230 just can't fill that of a 238/938. Same goes for the 238/938.

>>32730831
I wear dual shirts ever since getting my OWB Glock holster so no. It's great for grab and go.

How are these for pocket carry? Any good holsters?

>>32724271
If you do buy one, I highly recommend these with it

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>>32736640
I also got one of these holsters, the leather is pretty neat

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Overall I am quite satisfied with the 938, but I think that's because of my swiss fetish

>>32736624
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>>32736648

>>32724271
Get it OP. I was going to get one, but I like DA/SA so I ended up getting an HK P2000SK instead. If I was comfortable with a 8rd capacity I wouldn't mind the 938 though. I'd be carrying a backup mag either way anyway. Get the BRG like pic related as well. Much easier to hold.

Why carry a comfortable sub compact when you could carry a 938 for twice the weight?

>>32736722
>Sig P938 BRG 16 oz
>P2000SK 24 oz
>M&P Shield 20.8 oz
>Walther PPK 22.1oz
>CZ 2075 Rami BD 26 oz
>Glock 43 18 oz

What subcompact are you talking about that is HALF the weight of the P938 bro?

>>32734988
I'm confused by your statement of "238 has not fucking punch". Do you mean .380 has no punch? because you're 100% wrong in this regard.

Modern day .380 vs 9mm discussions are like 9mm vs .45 discusions from the 90's.

>>32735523
Hear, hear.
>>32736722
>Why carrier a heavier metal framed handgun when you could carry a polymer one in you will hate shooting.
Mass and balance are an advantage if you intend to use your firearm.
That said the P938 is still light as heck, and definitely not 2x the weight of its competitors.