France

>>32721723
The French are pussies.

>>32721727
How so

I like France, but I think there was a bit of feeling of betrayal when they didn't support the invasion of Iraq and I guess maybe it has lingered a bit?

>>32721758
They gave up to the nazi and now they are standing with arms open welcoming muslims into their country while they are raping and killing people across France.

Fuck them and Germany. Don't worry the US will follow shortly.

>>32721723
They are cool. Don't really care to be honest

>>32721723

Boot marine who never deployed most likely, and/or his NCO's have only been to Iraq and not Afghanistan.

There are better people than the French, but there are also far, far worse.

>>32721832
He's an armorer

>>32721783
You can't really blame everyone of their citizens for that though. If you honestly believe that those decisions were made by the majority of Germans and Franks you are deluding yourself. Also, don't forget about the countries that aided ISIS and the other groups that destabilized Syria during the 'Arab Spring' namely, the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.

>>32721723
There are really 4 things that have soured US-France relations.

1, The Free French Army played political games to get American forces held off in the outskirts of Paris so that the Free French could be the ones to officially liberate Paris. This probably wouldn't have been a big deal except CDG never shut up about how "Paris liberated itself" until he died.

2. The French broke from Nato to make lucrative trade deals with the USSR including technology transfers

3. The French whined at the state department until we supported their claim to French indochina, betraying Ho Chi Ming, who had been a US ally against the Japanese. Then when Ho Chi Ming raised the red flag and kicked the French out, the French threatened to leave Nato entirely unless the US got it back from them. It didn't work.

4. The French were the first to announce they weren't going to help the US in the War in Iraq, and they were flamboyant about the refusal.

>>32721866
You really don't hear about French Indochina war that much.

>>32721859
Well that makes perfect sense. He would get all his opinions of them second hand, and probably never had contact with French soldiers.

Most people I've talked to who've worked with the french have neutral to positive views of the French. If you got on good terms with french soldiers, they can hook you up with top notch food (relatively). Heard a rumor that some French unit deployed with a baker and got fresh baked bread.

>>32721723
Marines perspective:
The USA fought 2 world wars in france, and we got dragged into vietnam by the french colonial collapse that ocurred there.

So 3 of the 4 worst wars we've had in the last 100 years have been directly caused by or benifitting france. Which was seen as fair, since they pretty much saved our asses from the british 240 years ago.

We go into iraq after sticking up for france for a century, and we go "hey, you helped us kick the brits out, we saved you from germany, twice, then we fought the longest most unpopular war in our nations history for your buisiness interests in your shitty jungle colony, so were buddies on this iraq thing right?"

They dont just say no. They fucking flip us the bird and start talking shit like they would EVEN BE A FUCKING COUNTRY if it wasnt for us.

So we fucking hate france

>>32721981

I mean, they aren't wrong that Iraq turned into a shitshow.

We'd all be better much better off if someone dragged Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Wolfowitz and pulled a Mussolini on them.

But Alea Iacta Est.

>>32721981
You know france's own people sabotaged their own soldiers firearms and grenades because of indochina. I mean sure Vietnam was a shitshow for both but at least our own citizens didn't try to kill us

>>32722019
>>32722028
I aint saying there arent different sides to each story, im just detailing the grunts point of view on it.

It doesnt help that the french get all sanctimonious and self rightious about peace, then fuckin sell anti-ship missiles and landmines to every tinpot dictator and bannana republic on the planet.

>>32722074
Doesn't everyone do that though

Say what you will about the politicians, soldiers, and men in general, but I have to say French women are fucking hot. The accent alone is enough to get me hard.

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>>32721723
Americans have eternal butt-hurt about the French for not following them into Iraq in 2003

>>32722028
>france's own people sabotaged their own soldiers firearms and grenades
That's fucked up

>>32722074
Are those F-14s I'm seeing in Iran ?

They really went down hill post WW1.

>>32721723
In the 2000s, when America was going to attack Iraq for literally no raison, France came out and said it was stupid.
So America then rebranded itself to say every French thing was stupid and cowardly
Now you have "Freedom fries" and "Freedom doors" and "Freedom braids"

It was dumb and it's somehow stuck with us

200 years ago, France was literally "Our greatest ally"
Lafayette was a fucking hero.


But due to made up politics, the French have a bad name
If you think the French are pussies, then you gobble gobble MSM dick

>>32722138
It's all Belgium's fault
Bypassing the Maginot line was against the rules as far as 19th century wars went

>>32721947
According to him this is his experience with France
>marines singlehandedly won ww1 for them
>he lives in Minnesota which apparently has a lot of French people there
>has seen a famas

>>32722160
>19th century
And that's relevant how ?

>>32722163
And thinks gign isn't special forces

I do not hate the French at all.

Matter of fact I like them a lot.

>>32721866
>3. The French whined at the state department until we supported their claim to French indochina, betraying Ho Chi Ming, who had been a US ally against the Japanese.
You have that backwards. It was the US that betrayed their ally, France, by allying with Ho Chi Minh.

>>32722088
>>32722129
The question was why marines seem to hate france.

Hate doesnt gotta make sense. For the record, I've been to france several times, and think the french people are pretty cool, its thier government that sucks dick.

But same could be said of most places, hell I met afghans and iraqis who I genuinely liked.

>>32722181
Because the people who designed it and thought it up were 19th century people

WW2 was all about "FUCK THE RULES"
The people who planned for it didn't anticipate that
While they knew a war was coming, that aspect was unpredictable

It's like how the law makers today deal with cyber attacks
They can't
They still make "Hunter2" their passwords

>>32722207
Literally, Marines are dumb
They're famous for being dumb

>>32722163
Well if he's not a caricature of a marine you made up, may god have mercy on his soul.

BTW Minnesota is filled with Norwegians, not French. There's probably a lot of Quebecois, but a Quebecois is no more French than the bastard rape-child of a Vietnamese whore in Vienna German.

They really dropped the ball in WW2.

It will forever haunt them for the rest of their lives

>>32721723
Cheese eating surrender monkeys.

They refused to be a part of the coalition that invaded Iraq in 2003 despite being a NATO member and a permanent member of the UN security council. That may seem rational to those who unknowingly swallowed the media pill but Saddam actually was a brutal asshole who definitely had chemical weapons, because it's a historical fact that he used them not even a decade prior to the invasion (we also had the receipt). Basically they're Arab loving pussies.

>>32722248
He won't go into detail about why he does. He just hates them for no reason

>>32722265
But they didn't really
Germany invading through Belgium was total cowardice

Somehow the Zeitgeist called France cowardly while Germany did the lowdown thing

>>32722273
Well we actually GAVE him most of the chemical weapons that he posessed during the iran/iraq war.

We shipped them lots of empty gas shells and precursor chemicals labled as "industrial solvents" and "insecticide."

Not even tinfoil hat, they pretty much reenacted ww1 over there and the US and russia were each arming both sides at one point or another during the conflict.

because the french had tanks and fortifications and shit and they surrendered in a matter of hours

the poles had shit but horses and they held out for almost a week

cheese eating surrender monkeys, thats why

>>32722376
Because the fortifications were on the fucking GERMAN border, not the Belgique one

Who could have expected Allemagne to be so depraved to attack through a neutral country?

>>32722357
Do you honestly still believe wars are about courage and honor?

Those things happen as a side effect. Wars are about winning and money. The USA entered into ww1 because JP morgan and Rockafellar had loaned too much money to the allies and wouldnt get it back if they lost to germany.

WW2 was because germany quit paying the reparations the allies needed germany to pay so they could afford to pay back JP morgan and Rockafellar.

>>32721723

I'm a marine and I got nothing against France except for the fact that I don't like sharia law.

>>32722390
it doesnt change the fact that they didnt hold out and fight

like any one else would have

>>32722395
>Do you honestly still believe wars are about courage and honor?
No, not any more

But it used to be

You can't deny the past and judge things by modern standards

19th century wars were rigid things
That's why WW1 was so bloody

I don't think France should be called pussies for being steady on the old traditional ways

>>32722395
You're drunk, /pol/. STFU and go home.

>>32722390
you sound vichy

>>32722413
>anyone else
No
That's not remotely true

You have foreign troops on your population centres, you surrender
Because the lives of your civies are worth more
That's the point of soldiers
To protect them
If that fails, you've failed

The Maquis made up for it, but still, it was the right idea to concede when you had Paris under gunfire

>>32722430
FUCK Vichy

Vichy was one sided. Total capitulation

The right answer was both.
Vichy and Maquis

>>32721723

Vietnam.

>>32722439
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

>>32722439
im american. just because you took washington dc and burned the white house, means nothing. you won nothing.

it aint over till the fat lady sings

>>32722439
>what is free France

>>32722473
That's because America was huge
That insight led directly to the "Heartland Theory" in the 19th century, and that idea led to the attack of Russia by Hitler

But whatever, the idea that a huge nation can exist despite the fall of its capital was changed the late 19th and early 20ths
Before people really recognized aircraft as a thing

>>32722501
The Maquis in Europe instead of hiding in Africa

>>32722390
>Because the fortifications were on the fucking GERMAN border, not the Belgique one
Actually, there was fortifications on the Belgium border, but they were hastily built after 1935 because Belgium stabbed France in the back and signed a deal with Hitler. The treaty that Belgium and France had was to both defend against Germany. The Maginot line extended over to the Belgium border.

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>>32722273
>shilling for globalism and pointless war
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>32721766
This is definitely a big factor, even though it is now generally acknowledged that the invasion of Iraq was basically schemed up by a bunch of lying neoCohens for muh Israel.

I think a great deal of Americans dislike the French. First, they are basically the Jeb Bush of military conflict. Very low energy. They also represent a lot of the decadence that many Americans look down upon, with their socialism and 35 hr work week, etc. Lastly, I think they are seen by many as snooty/pretentious

>>32722678
Hmm. Didn't know that.

>what the fuck I hate Belgium now. Except for the beer

>>32722273
>>32722376
>T. Marine

Friendly reminder that the only reason why Brits didn't have to surrender too is because they were hiding behind the Channel, and the Germans had no mean to cross it.

>>32722193
Technically, they are not.

the French SFs are composed of four entities, and the GIGN isn't one of them.

>1st Marine Infantry Parachute Regiment (1er RPIMa)
>13th Parachute Dragoon Regiment (13e RDP)
>4th Special Forces Helicopter Regiment (4e RHFS)
>The Fusiliers Marins and Commandos Marine (FORFUSCO)

>>32721783
Like most of europe.

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>>32722376
>bad tanks

you wot monsieur

>>32722376
>Surrendered in a matter of hours

This is getting ridiculous.
What will it be next time? France actually begged Germany to invade the country?

France didn't join in the invasion of Iraq.

That's about it.

But modern french i.e. parisien are faggots.

>>32721723

A lot of good reasons posted so far, I'll add the WW1 experience by American soldiers. People know better now the hell that France went through prior to US entry into the war, but to a lot of the soldiers that had to fight alongside them late in the war developed a pretty negative view of the French army. My great grandfather told my dad that they'd toss grenades into the trenches when they made a charge to make sure the French would actually get out. Not sure if that's something he heard or something that he actually saw, though.

As far as the whole revolutionary war thing goes, they pretty much ended up going bankrupt partly from the cost of that conflict. Trying to figure out a way to raise revenues was definitely a factor in their revolution, which the new US wanted nothing to do with because it careened from what could have been a good idea to pants on head retarded rather quickly. After that point, it really wasn't even the same France that we were dealing with anyway.

>>32722074
Yeah, the US isn't into selling arms to whoever the fuck they want despite objections

Any frogs in the army here?

>>32722151
France is also the entire reason the war of independence actually worked too, but they didn't join us in a war that the majority of our population now hate, what assholes right

>>32722376
>The poles had shit but horses
You are a stupid fucking cunt

>>32724246
>People know now
What, are Americans just starting to learn history or something?
France was literally THE main power of the allies on the western front
France also has the only decent army in western Europe today, has and continues to operate in combat zones over the world and remains with strong ties to its peers, especially the UK where I believe they cooperate on military matters a whole lot, between being the only competent west euro forces

>>32724246
>France bankrupts self getting America's independence
>Can we have some money back, France is starving and everyone is pissed
>Lol nah
>Also we hate all of the sudden you cause lmao monarchy
>Enjoy your rebellion
>Post rebellion France asks for money
>Nuh uhh we signed our deal with a different France, bye
USA are fucking kike tier assholes that betrayed their oldest ally in its time of need

>>32722425

he has a point about war and honor tho,not so much the whole banking thing.

>>32722473

so should the nips and krauts have fought till the last man no matter how many nukes we woul've dropped?

>>32721723
Consider that :
You speak English. The langage of a country that hated france for hundreds of years.

>>32722151

France was seen as cowardly well before Iraq. Iraq just pissed us off because as has been pointed out they not only refused the call they basically spit in our face while they did it. If France had been more measured in their refusal they probably would get a hell of a lot less hate once we calmed down and realized Iraq was a bad idea but America was still riding that 9/11 hate boner and anyone that wasn't with us was against us.

>>32724467
France funded the rebellion to keep England in a quagmire for decades.

>>32724550
France and England is like the biggest rivalry of two nations in history i'd say
They're very close military partners nowadays though

>>32724551
France still joins in Afghanistan anyway.

First of all marines are sub human dumb asses.

Anyone who appreciates military history knows the great respect that france is due, and understands the great costs the great war and the second world war inflicted on it's military spirit.

>>32722221
>They still make "*******" their passwords
W- huh?

>>32724554
No shit, they didn't do it just out of their love of freedom, it was to keep their rival back, however they rightfully expected some kind of compensation back from their new allies whom they'd fought for and helped fund
Instead they got cut out to dry because the leaders of the US would oust themselves as being hypocritical

>>32724564

Don't worry man. Nothing important uses Hunter2. Thank god he didn't guess Swordfish1 or we'd really be fucked.

>>32724569
It was the french monarchy who supported the american revolution, so shouldn't american remove the french socialists?

>>32721766
Well the French were only repaying the USA for the Suez shit, at least in their minds.

>>32724569
The services that were bought was pushing Britain's shit in.

They were rendered.

We also threw in the seed of revolution in for no extra charge.

>>32724586
They didn't have to even do that, it all started in france because the poor were starving because bread cost was massively rising
If the US had sent money for food, the entire history of France could have been different, maybe not who knows, but the initial cause of the rioting would be suppressed for then at least

>>32724598
There's a lot of bullshit regarding the french revolution, I have always trusted that the jews were behind it, considering how it spiralled out, and unlike the US, it did not respect English's common laws i.e. right to bear arms as a human right.

>>32722390
>Who could have expected Allemagne to be so depraved to attack through a neutral country?
Well given that the Germans did the SAME FUCKING THING in WW1 anyone with half a brain should have seen it coming.

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>>32721723
Basically, muh freedom fries. Retards are still salty that France was one of the few Western countries smart enough to avoid getting dragged into one of the worst shitshows in recent history.

>>32724603
Nah, I think like many things it was something simple that rapidly spiralled out of control due to malice, greed and incompetence on both sides
I don't know where to sit on it, I see so many flaws with their monarchy at the time, but the rebels were used by people hungry for power all the same, much like most rebellions I guess
Bread perhaps could have stopped all that fighting though, or at least reduced it
I actually think Britain was cool with its constitutional monarchy and how it worked

>>32724629
Nah, the power that led the revolutionaries were unusually cruel, even compared to the monarchy that comes before it.

It also inspired the October revolution in Russia.

All kind of "we are all equal and shiieeet" human rights, but no right to bear arms, that's when it smells fish.

>>32724627
It was Britain, Canada, Australia and Poland who joined the US in the Iraq war.

Good allies, but not totally necessary.

>>32722163
frog here, thanks for the laughs.

Also, I could tell you some stories about young undertrained french conscripts physically outperforming enlisted muhreens in the first gulf war when doing training inna desert.

>>32724609
They did see it coming though... Their entire plan was to confront them in the Belgian plains, because they thought the Germans wouldn't or couldn't be able to manouvre their shit through the Belgian mountains and forest.

>>32724639
A lot of it was borne of legitimate hatred of impoverished nobility living in luxury while workers couldn't afford even basic foodstuffs
People getting angry and starving after being left hungry isn't too much of a shocker, people used this outrage to get their own intentions through though
I think it would be fascinating to see what had become of France had it not been bankrupt, or had gotten food issues sorted early into the public uprest, it would have probably changed France to its core

>>32721866

>1, The Free French Army played political games to get American forces held off in the outskirts of Paris so that the Free French could be the ones to officially liberate Paris.
UTTER AND ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT.
The plans were never to liberate Paris in the first place. The city was supposed to be flanked and the rest of the allied forces to go straight into Germany through Belgium.
Don't forget back then Pétain was still considered a valid partner by Roosevelt who did not trust De Gaulle and tried relentlessly to incorporate general Giraud into the discussions with the french. Giraud being the man of Vichy.

>2. The French broke from Nato to make lucrative trade deals with the USSR including technology transfers
Source ? techs involved ? I smell bullshit again.
Also, even the US did that, specifically on safety devices for nuclear warheads.

>3. The French whined at the state department until we supported their claim to French indochina, betraying Ho Chi Ming, who had been a US ally against the Japanese. Then when Ho Chi Ming raised the red flag and kicked the French out, the French threatened to leave Nato entirely unless the US got it back from them. It didn't work.

Except Ho- Chi-Minh (and not minG) was a commie from the beggining at war with France when the US were at war with north korea, while north koreans were transferring weapons, including american captured ones, to the north vietnamese through China. Your point thus is irrelevant. If anything, the lack of support to French Indochina was purely because the french empire was seen as something to crush down in Washington as much as communism. Double play.

>4. The French were the first to announce they weren't going to help the US in the War in Iraq, and they were flamboyant about the refusal.
And they were the first to help in the relevant fight in Afghanistan. now they're a tier one partner in the war against ISIS which was created by this un-needed intervention based on lies.
What's your point ?

>>32724692
I believe Britain was the first nation that joined the US in Afghanistan

>>32722473

Americans have the right to bear arms and have this whole culture of «civilians must defend the nation when the Gov fails».
We don't. Here, civilians don't fight, and law & order are upheld by the police/army.

>>32722028
Sauce?

>>32724586
>french revolution
>socialists

>>32724710
let's say "among" the firsts then. Happy ?
At red flag 2002 the french Mirage pilots (2000 D and F1) got a standing ovation for their work over Afghanistan.

Here's an internet site made after this event by the groupe de chasse Alsace (fighter squadron) with lots of pictures from this red flag exercice, to keep this /k/ related.

http://gcalsace.free.fr/Actualit%E9s/actu/RF%202002/JEU%20DE%20CADRES%20exercice.htm

Yes kids, that's what an internet page looked like in 2002. Weird I know.

>>32724711
That sucks, though. The French should have the right to bear arms.

t. français

>>32721723
Indoctrination and memes.

I mean you could point to de Gaulle's "third way" foreign policy that disrupted American ambitions and did ultimately nothing beneficial or older Anglo-French hostilities, but honestly most people wouldn't know exactly why they meme.

>>32724740
plenty of ressources on this subject in french if you don't mind using google translate. You'll find first hand accounts from witnesses, war stories, etc.

https://www.google.fr/search?q=sabotage+indochine+armes&oq=sabotage+indochine+armes&aqs=chrome..69i57.4071j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
http://www.chemin-de-memoire-parachutistes.org/t3294-armes-sabotees
https://ripostelaique.com/dien-bien-phu-a-memoire-de-anciens-trahis-tortures-francais.html

>>32722376
>they surrendered in a matter of hours
5 weeks or so.
They were in fact victorious on several fronts and had to surrender because of the armistice when Paris has fallen.

>>32724802

>One country got a thank you by the US
>OMG THAT MUST MEAN THEY'RE THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT DID WELL AND WERE THE FIRST AND BEST AT EVERYTHING

France didn't give anything like the 2nd highest support in Afghanistan.

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>>32722604
>hiding in Africa

>>32724802
>that's what an internet page looked like in 2002
OH GOD MY EYES

Will current pages look that awful to people in 15 years?

>>32723974
That's incorrect.
The Fusilliers Marins aren't SF, and you forgot various units like the CPA 10 and the support and transport groups.

>>32724692
>french fag in full damage control mode

Stay gay and smelly, I'll be in America enjoying my freedom fries

>>32722111
Having a communist party that does 25% on elections (and is massively funded by the USSR) will do that to you.
But to be perfectly fair, maybe they were just stupid and thought that if they sabotaged those "awful instruments of death" then everybody would make it out alive, without thinking about that poor fucker throwing blank grenades at a Viet-Minh MG nest.

Meanwhile, the CIA was creating unions to undermine the cohesion of the french workers' movements.
That entire period was a shitshow for industry.

>>32724551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_1hWqSz6I

You call that spitting in one's face? Maybe you need to grow a thicker skin.
Unless of course Chirac burned a stars and stripes while calling Bush an inbreed retard or some other event that I'm not aware of.

>>32725097
Don't forget to properly salt them with your tears of butthurt.

Because most people in the US military are window licking retards that couldn't find France on a map who are going along with what they're told

>>32722936
>jewish caricature
>israel
>neocons
>globalism
>jeb bush
>'low energy'

>in the same post

please open a new tab to google, and type in '4chan /pol/' or something like that, then click the fitting link. After this now go back to the /k/ - Weapons tab on your browser, and click the small 'x' icon to close it. thanks!

>>32725223
How about no?

>>32725230
I wish the mods would include IDs that stick to posters throughout different threads, so we can hide all /pol/ scum

>>32725255
Ha ha!

>>32725255
So basically, make 4chan nonymous...

>>32722163
/thread

>>32724711
> pussy talk.

France is the reason we're a country

I've been to France for 2 weeks. The people are the nastiest, rudest, pain in the ass people I've ever met. Not a single one would ever help me if I had a question, Id even ask in french! I've seen people refuse to serve Americans at restaurants as well, and they would storm out if the manager tried to force them. But the manager wouldn't serve them either.

>>32726009
>I've been to France for 2 weeks. The people are the nastiest, rudest, pain in the ass people I've ever met. Not a single one would ever help me if I had a question, Id even ask in french!
Sounds accurate.
>I've seen people refuse to serve Americans at restaurants as well, and they would storm out if the manager tried to force them. But the manager wouldn't serve them either.
Where the fuck did you actually go?

>>32722151
You must be young, huge faggot. We hated them before the year 2000 was even in sight.

>>32721723
basically they try to act all tough and cool but when they actually have to do something they try to get out of it

>>32724467
France turned farting in bathtubs and screaming at trees retarded.

At first they overthrew the monarchy and americans were like "yeah, we should help out!"

Then they just started torturing and executing fucking anyone. Housewives were beheaded for hanging sheets on closelines because one of the sheets were one of the old royal colors.

It also turned into huge land and money grabs using the hysterics as a tool for dirty officials to have innocent people killed and sieze thier assests.

America realized the french revolution has far bypassed any claim to noble pursuits and had devolved into cycles of slaughter and panic so they refused to join or support the shitty fucked up backwards regime that rose from the ashes.

>>32724645
Actually Canada didn't join, even after Harper got in like a year after it started.

Though we didn't recall our officers who were on our exchange program with you and we maybe (and I say "maybe" mainly because they prefer to keep their activities top secret) sent JTF-2 to help with stuff in Iraq on occasion.

>>32725129
>But to be perfectly fair
Maybe they thought oppressing a people who didn't want their country to be ruled by a foreign power was wrong.

The most fucked up thing is that Americans just can't allow themselves to admit that Vietnam was the closest thing the world has seen to a 2nd 'American Revolution', because their country did everything in its power to destroy it.

>>32722936
>35 hr work week

this is just americans being retarded and I'm american

I come from an area where the whole "work work work" is seen as normal and it's ridiculous

I don't know how many guys literally work themselves into serious medical conditions in their 50s/60s because they work 65+ hour weeks their whole life

people aren't meant to work that much

>>32726847
Taking vacations and relaxing occasionally is for lazy socialists!

>>32722936
>First, they are basically the Jeb Bush of military conflict. Very low energy.
Their recent military interventions were definitely not "low energy". They blitzkrieged Mali.

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>>32726842
Neither the french nor the american were the best of people, but reducing both indochina wars to vietnamese people freeing themselves from foreign oppressor instead of treating it like the (complicated) ideological conflict it was is retarded. Things like the evacuation of Cao Bang or the massive exoduses at the end of each conflict would indicated that the communists were far from being liked by everyone. Not to mention the hmong genocide continuing to this day.

If the soviets fought colonialism, it wasn't because of humanist sentiments but to further their own agenda. It doesn't matter if the sabotages were caused by blind faith. Especially since french communists were always quick to make excuses for despots like Stalin, Mao or even Pol Pot, regardless of evidences.

>>32726549
But the king of France wanted some repayment before any of that had happened, when the people were merely just complaining about not being able to even afford bread, when the country was starving and the treasury drained
Had the people not been starving, I doubt it's have gone down the way it had

>>32727364
The reasoning was sound if you read into the debates of the time.
America looked at this massive clusterfuck and realized there really werent any good guys.

You had this fucked up corrupt nobility and monarchy who were as likley to use reparations to upgrade the silver filligree in thier horse carraige to gold inlay as they were to use it to feed starving peasants.

On the opposite spectrum you have this crazy rabid uprising forming that is really just using high ideals and morality as a front to hide that they really just want blood and dont really care who is going to be bleeding it, who are probably going to use whatever support you give to further the selfish ends of thier own leaders.

So you can support a corrupt regime in opressing its people or a corrupt revolution that is terrorizing its people, or you can choose not to act.

Keep in mind america was NOT a super power at that point, it was a tiny collection of about 1 million people on the east coast in a world inhabited by massive continent and millinia spanning empires. Being seen as a den of malcontents meddling in world affairs was a VERY bad idea.

Intervening in france was seen as taking a huge risk for no real reward just so we could later be remembered as supporting corrupt inbred nobility or blood thirsty terrorists once the dust settled.

Its actually kind of shitty we dont put such debate into our intervention policies today. We seem stuck in a cycle of choosing sides on foreign conflicts that dont have any good guys then being suprised that things dont turn out well.

>>32727489
No but the point is was indebted to France, the crown who it was actually in debt to it refused to pay back, then they refused the next government on the grounds that they weren't the people they'd been indebted too, fair enough, but they blew the crown off anyway
I know America wasn't a superpower, and I know that the French monarchy and nobility were fucked, just like many people who used the revolts to get their own way were, or down to the twisted fucks that just wanted to watch someone suffer
But this is outside morality, the formation of the US is hardly moral, this was a country that was in debt, and refused to pay, maybe because they never had any intention of helping France back, maybe they didn't want to appear as bigger hypocrites, or maybe they really were driven by an odd sense of morals, but the point is that they left France out to dry

>>32721723
What is this picture of

>>32727489
Good point about its relation to current foreign policy though

>>32727604
New battlefield 1 dlc
https://youtu.be/BFqXesxZiVw

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Because of this.

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>>32727857

>>32721723
I think they got a bad wrap. The French resistance was pretty hardcore.

Then again do most people believe it, or are most people just participating in the joke?

>>32727831
Is that char 2c

>>32728294
yup. It's safe to say that BF1 completely jumped the shark.

>>32728306
As opposed to before

>>32727607
Id say the several hundred thousand dead we left on the battle fields of 2 world wars and in the jungles of viet nam have more than paid for any debt to the french.

Not to mention the MASSIVE defense subsidies europe recieves from us.

Its really the only bone I have to pick with europe. We enter into agreements with them, they start refusing to pay dues, then flip their shit when we go "look, you arent holding up your end of the bargain, if you dont get your shit together were leaving."

They dont even deny it, they just shriek "oh, but if you leave now russia will invade us!!! You CANT leave because our blood would be on your hands!!!"

Maybe its time to quit donating half a million troops to protecting europe from the russian bogeyman in exchange for being talked down to by shitty little has-beens who use the trillions they collectivley save by letting us defend them to import refugees and hook them up with €2500 a month welfare checks.

I say we forge good alliances with russia, let europe take care of itself if they want to talk shit, and quit intervening in every fucking conflict that pops up.

Because lets be honest, crimea is about soros's investment in the LNG industry, and turkey is no longer even a democracy so theyve voided thier NATO agreements, Syria is fucking bullshit where even if "our side" wins we just end up with another shitty 3rd world caliphate every bit as bad as the one that was removed.

Fuck it, lets trio up with china even. 3 super powers in friendly competition instead of crazy brinkmanship that only benifits a few billionaire military industrialists.

People keep pissing their pants over europe, I say if they wanna talk shit let em stick up for themselves.

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>>32728523
But the debt by the US's admission was to that king of France, the one they refused to pay prior, America doing great things since doest ever remove that mark from history, it just is what it is
That other stuff isn't really relevant, though do know I agree with you

>>32728523
>Not to mention the MASSIVE defense subsidies europe recieves from us.
Europe, not France, since it wasn't NATO.

>>32722107
>grilled cheese
The freedom fries thing was and still is dumb, but why include grilled cheese in the little box?

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>>32728662
It was a French cheese

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>>32728546
Here is a better picture

>>32724653

This. Dyle Plan

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_war_planning_1920-1940

Problem was that the Germans weren't about to do what the Dyle Plan anticipated.

Gamelin was an inflexible dogmatist who failed to respond to intel reports that the Krauts were massing by the Ardennes.

>>32729400
God can you imagine fighting in the battle of France

>>32722163
>marines singlehandedly won ww1
Do the marines really believe this

>>32721925
We call it the Vietnam war.

>>32726009
Literally this, even in the country side they'll treat you like garbage even if you're polite and well meaning.

>gf went to France for culinary school
>goes on trip to ski resort
>police offer her a trip back to hotel
>drive 40 minutes to the middle of nowhere and kick her out
>then say something along the lines "haha call a cab american bitch."

>>32722163
Your friend sounds like an idiot

>>32721723
Misinformation, mostly. People don't understands how deep the fascist sympathy ran in France, how that contributed to them putting up a half assed fight against the Germans. There's also a bad stereotype set by Parisians. People go to Paris, a city that exists for tourism, and are surprised that it's not warm and comfy. True France is outside of Paris.

>>32730420
Kek

>>32730420
>>32726009
Huh. I've been to France twice, and most people were really friendly. Maybe it's an American thing.

>>32721866
Also to add the to Iraq thing, they were the other half of the Mandate system that really fucked up the whole Middle East, so is kind of expected that since shit is getting bad over there, the responsible parties would help fix it

>>32730420
What city

>>32730420
where ?

>>32731778
If the people were able to live together under the vilayets of the Ottoman Empire, I don't see why some readjustments under the French and British would cause absolute chaos.

>>32730420
What city

>>32732236
Money maybe

>>32722936
>tripfag
>/pol/ autist

really makes you think

>>32730420

ahahaha

>>32730420
Her cooking wasn't good apparently

>>32722273
>Saddam actually was a brutal asshole who definitely had chemical weapons,

We were there for Nuclear weapons, asshole. Where were they.

>>32721947

I know that the Cjarles de Gaulle carrier makes pastry on sundays (probably just as we speak).

Croissants, pains au chocolat and whatnot.

Think of it what you want, I just find it hilarious.

>>32721866

You're partially right, though need a bit of a correction, imho, even though I care very few about France, somethings just arn't true.

>1, The Free French Army played political games to get American forces held off in the outskirts of Paris so that the Free French could be the ones to officially liberate Paris. This probably wouldn't have been a big deal except CDG never shut up about how "Paris liberated itself" until he died.

This one is right. CDG was a big mouth bastard, he still is remembered as such

>2. The French broke from Nato to make lucrative trade deals with the USSR including technology transfers

If my understanding is correct it was because France got buttmad when the US refused to tip them on the A bomb, since they were having troubles. They saw the refusal as a sign of the "special bond" between US & UK, who had received said tips themselves. And it was enough for them to think that NATO was not an alliance but a domination or what have you...
Same about the H-bomb, but funny story a bong scientist leaked intel to the frogs so they could catch on their researchs. Needless to say the MI5 probably orchestrated such leak, so interprate this as you want.

>3. The French whined at the state department until we supported their claim to French indochina, betraying Ho Chi Ming, who had been a US ally against the Japanese. Then when Ho Chi Ming raised the red flag and kicked the French out, the French threatened to leave Nato entirely unless the US got it back from them. It didn't work.

If it was the case, then why was the US giving weapons and technical assistance to the Frenchs since the start of the conflict? And why did they felt the need to pull the Tonkin gulf bullshit if they were taking over?

>4. The French were the first to announce they weren't going to help the US in the War in Iraq, and they were flamboyant about the refusal.

True, which is still, if my understanding is correct, saw as a majour source of pride in France.

>>32734485
We were there for WMD.

>>32734969
We were there because bush wanted to 1 up his daddy.

>>32734749
>your carrier doesn't have a bakery or a wine cellar
Why even serve

>>32726009

Parisians are worthless shitters and even back in 1300s an author recognized Paris as miserably dirty and filthy

>>32727325

Something well said that stuck with me is that the Vietnam war was less America vs the North Vietnamese and more a Vietnamese Civil war with South Vietnam having American support and manpower.

I'd say with the French it was fairly clearly throwing off a foreign oppressor, though. We didn't want to run the Vietnamese state as a colony and had our proxy of that retarded Christian (I don't mean that in a fedora way just that a Christian running roughshod over a Buddhist majority country is not going to go over well) while the French were trying to run a show like it was still 1910.

>>32727489

It's a strong belief of mine that our foreign policy is woefully lacking in long-term strategizing and a far greater comprehension of complex local dynamics BEFORE we get involved.

>>32728523

Distinguish a little with the 4-5 states that pay their fair 2% share but I agree otherwise. If I recall right it's Britain, Greece, Poland, Estonia that pay above 2%. France is close but the German fuckers are almost a full 1% off. And when you calculate how much of the GDP it makes a world of difference. (next post)

>>32721783
>They gave up to the nazi

Whats wrong with that? They wanted a united Europe, hence why thousands of them joined the SS and fought in the East.

Fucking Jew.

Fucked up the germoney calculation, redid post.

I did a ballpark calculation when I was arguing this point for laypersons. Since someone might go "oh a half percentage or a 1% point isn't that big of a deal".

Take Czechs for example. I like Czechs, but they aren't paying their fair share. Czech GDP is 208 billion. As of 2014 they spent about 1% of GDP (2,080,000,000). If you spent that missing 1% purely on aircraft, the Saab JAS 39 Gripen is estimated at 40-60 million. Spend that extra 1% purely on the JAS 39 and you get 52 aircrafts. They currently have 12 JAS 39 Gripen leased from the Swedes, so that's a fourfold increase.

Take Germany. 3.7 trillion. Spends about 1.2% of GDP on military. 1% of GDP is 37 billion, 1.2 is 44 billion. Missing 0.8 is 29 billion. Again using a jet just because it's the more expensive asset - if Germany paid up the 0.8 deficit purely on Eurofighter Typhoons at 102 million USD (according to https://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/articles/communiques/FighterCostFinalJuly06.pdf) and you'd get 284 Typhoons. As of right now they have about 88 typhoons, so that's x3.2 larger air force.

Obviously they wouldn't be spending it all purely on one product but these serve to illustrate just how much purchasing power is lost because our allies aren't pulling their fair share. That is money that the US could cut back on spending or take off the pressure of spending elsewhere (like Asia)

>>32735228
I was reading something that was basically saying that since 2001 our government actually HASNT been planning or strategizing, theyve been forced into a very unstable and dangerous reactionary footing that only allows for short term planning.

Its like instead of having an architect draw up a skyscraper, then engineers, plumbers, electricians layout the rest and designing a careful and methodical process to build it you just hire a couple thousabd workers and point to an emply lot and demand they build a skyscraper right now, one room at a time and make it up as they go along.

I really dont see a lot of long term planning going on in our government right now, just short term bandaid "solutions" being slapped on top of issues haphazardly.

Its actually a bigger indicator of a coming breakdown in societey than the current social unrest and people completeley overlook it.

Theres ALWAYS social unrest, but as long as the system is making long term plans and forging permanant solutions things are kept to a dull roar. Its when the system is too weak to do so that unrest gets out of hand and increasingly draconian measures start being instated for equally diminished returns that a societey collapses.

Lots of countries are able to scam out of thier agreements right now because things are going to hell in a handbasket and they know it either wont be noticed, or it wont be punished.

>>32721981
>they would EVEN BE A FUCKING COUNTRY if it wasnt for us.
> fair, since they pretty much saved our asses from the british 240 years ago.

so you WOULDN'T EVEN BE A FUCKING COUNTRY if it wasn't for them...

>>32724555
It's kinda amazing to see two countries that were always fighting and killing each other to being the best of friends

>>32724237
parisiens are mainly algerien.

>>32721727
>>32721766
Read about the battle of Verdun, also go fuck yourself.

>>32721947
>>32721981
You left out the part where we learned from captured documents that the French government had been in bed with Saddam, cooperating in the oil-for-food fraud and kickbacks that had been going on for years.

>>32722160
>>32722181
>>32722221
It's hilarious how uninformed people are about WW1. The Maginot Line was meant to free up troops from the border to be a mobile counter attacking force, they knew damned well the Germans where going to come through Belgium, seeing as how that what exactly what they did in 1914. The French knew the war would be very different then 19th century wars as they had fought a modern war only 20 years ago. What they underestimated was exactly how fast a mechanized army could move.

>>32722273
If the US had been attacked by Iraq the NATO treaty would be relevant, it was not.

>>32722357
Germany invaded through Belgium in WW1. The British spent most of the war fighting there.

>>32724667
The French Revolution was also a Paris thing. Most of the rest of the country played no part in the madness; in fact, after the Revolution took over, Parisian militias went forth and essentially invaded/raped/pillaged the rest of the country in the name of "equality".

>>32727364
The king of France was too busy spending massive sums on frivolities. Le deluge, remember?

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>>32724246
>Be me inna trench
>lost most of my friend during "glorious suicide charges"
>the end of the war is near we have almost won, I want to go home to my family
>another charge order comes in but this time we have those greenhorns in the trenches with us
>try to persuade them not to charge now as I know they will die and wait out at least till bombardment and smokescreens are there
>the greenhorns don't listen cause yeah all youth think they are invincible till the first battle
>the kids actually charge
>mfw one of the monkeys chimps out and throws in a grenade in our goddamn trenches killing a guy who had only a day left to get rotated

>>32721783
>They gave up to the nazi
As opposed to being bombed to fucking rubble like Germany and Berlin?

They also have the largest right wing party in Europe and most conservative youth out the Slav nations, much more so than America or the UK

>>32734485
Completed ones? They never existed, and that argument was never made.

Elements that were supposed to have been surrendered as a part of the 1991 cease-fire? Oh, yeah, there were quite a few of those. Heck, one nuclear researcher "turned in" a centrifuge that the regime had buried in his backyard.

There's also the small matter that Saddam had committed literally hundreds of violations of the 1991 cease-fire, any one of which would, in less politically-correct times, have been seen as causus belli against him. But, that wasn't good enough for the European governments, so all of the intelligence estimates got hauled out (and were generally in agreement with the Europeans' own intel).

>>32735111
We were there for a number of reasons, not the least of which was because our allies were agitating for us to either depose Saddam or open trading back up with him.

>>32722425
Go jerk off to traps phil, nobody cares

>>32734749
Every french navy ship that I know of has a baker and makes pastries on week-ends. Not to mention actual desserts on a regular basis.
Being on the bridge at 6 o'clock and having someone bring you hot coffee and fresh pains au chocolat is wondeful.

Also BBQs when the weather allows it.

Food isn't stellar when in the arsenal (because it's porvided by an industrial foodservice distributor), but as soon as you leave you're allowed a budget to buy your food, and french navy cooks are really good. We even captured some lobsters.

Old ships like the Jeanne d'Arc even had wine tanks (leading to an interesting discovery when it was decomisioned, that some sailor had made a derivation with a tap arriving right under his pillow).
Free beer for NCOs and over, some wine on week-ends and special occasions for the enlisted.
Honestly, the no-alcohol policy is a disaster for the USN. THey are so thristy when they enter the harbor than they don't stop until they're completely wasted.

>>32735648
It's like that with many euro nations

England/Britain and France
England and Scotland
France and Germany
Austria and France
Spain and England
Poland and Germany
Spain and Italy even existing

Some of those are closer than others now, but if you look at where they came from...

>>32721783
Like the US is giving up to the millions of spics who cross the border illegally each year and the niggers who are already there.

France refusing to invade Iraq was a good think. Look at the fucking mess you dumb Burgers and idiotic Bongs created. You opened the pandemonium and now ask all nations for help. Oh, and no WMD was ever found.
That's pretty much like that Merkel cunt inviting millions of rapefugees, and once they're here, ask the whole EU to distribute them.

>>32735895
Well that glory hunt is kind of what happened with the last US soldier to be killed during WW1.

>Gunther's squad approached a roadblock of two German machine guns in the village of Chaumont-devant-Damvillers near Meuse, in Lorraine. Gunther got up, against the orders of his close friend and now sergeant, Ernest Powell, and charged with his bayonet. The German soldiers, already aware of the Armistice that would take effect in one minute, tried to wave Gunther off. He kept going and fired "a shot or two". When he got too close to the machine guns, he was shot in a short burst of automatic fire and killed instantly.
>The writer James M. Cain, then a reporter for the local daily newspaper, The Sun, interviewed Gunther's comrades afterward and wrote that "Gunther brooded a great deal over his recent reduction in rank, and became obsessed with a determination to make good before his officers and fellow soldiers."

>>32729400
>Gamelin was an inflexible dogmatist who failed to respond to intel reports that the Krauts were massing by the Ardennes
They had got conflicting intel. It was essentially a 50/50 shot at picking where the Germans were coming from. Had they picked correctly Germany would have never had got to France

>>32735894
He was spending a lot of frivolities, that's what's nobles did around the globe, France as a nation and people were still poor by that point, and the lower classes in Paris getting the worst of it
Seems people getting upset at their own specified 1% most frequently leads to extreme and massive violence

>>32728209
it's rap, not wrap

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>>32735958
>Pains au chocolat
It's a chocolatine, goddamn northerner.
>>32735648
We haven't been at war since 1815 with the UK. If anything there's very animosity towards the British in France nowadays. As a matter of fact I didn't even know it really was a thing until I visited the UK.

>>32736000
Friendship ended with Dutch, now France is my best friend

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>>32736000
Face it gascon, you may have trips but you're surrounded.
Unless you're living near a posh parisian bakery.


But yeah, the amount of time the brits spend speaking about France is crazy. I don't think the french spend half as much time speaking about germany, which is the most represented neighbouring country in french media.
There's a decent documentary that explains a lot about the representation of France in the anglos' minds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU3IUhZsOGs

Basically some of them still haven't digested Hastings and the cultural influence it had on their elite, and it helps them to justify their politics.

>>32736000
Kiwi here

Brits always talk about the french as their eternal great rival and we have naturally inherited a bit of anti french attitude from Britain (testing your nukes out down here didn't do you any favours). We do respect you greatly though due to your rugby ability.

But every french person I've meet and talked to about rivalries have basically replied
>Britain, who? It's those fucking German bastards...
It seems like Britain is about as relevant as holland to them.

>>32736039
They haven't digested an event that happened almost thousand years before they were born?
Sounds fucking retarded to me

>>32736039
It's also probably has something to do with the fact that for a long time France was the superpower of Europe, which Britain had to overcome in the seven years war to establish itself

It's funny though, only the Brits make a massive deal out of Waterloo.

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>>32736039
It's not fair. F-Free Gascony. Aliénor is my waifu. Gascon pride world wide
But that's interesting, maybe we just like to talk about ourselves more than the others. I'll watch the documentary, thanks for it.
>>32736044
Guess the fact that the French government bombing a kiwi port in the 80s didn't help as well (no hard feelings)

>>32736060
Hastings had lasting effects for the UK (and the french).
Has a result you had french nobility, still holding lots of titles and lands in France, in charge of the Kingdom of Britain. So french culture had a very special place there until the french revolution (I'd say) where Britain began to up its cultural game.
But they still have thing like Dieu & Mon Droit to remind them of it, so it's not entirely surprising that they try to separate themselves from that stuff.
Especially when they're fighting a loosing battle against US cultural hegemony.

Besides, the english are very proud and revisionist. You'd be hard pressed to find a battle where british historians go "yep, we messed up and got our asses kicked" without finding redeeming quality the the english side.

Nonetheless, the fact that some brits insist on saying "We were conquered by normands, not french" that is roughtly equivalent to saying "we were conquered by texans, not americans", is hilarious to me.

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>>32726009
>>32730420
>things that never happened

>>32727857
Now that's a cool famas!

>>32734749
>>32735958
They bake fresh bread in the submarines too, they had to build a silent kneader and all...
Also the officers are served with porcelain tableware and silver cutlery, old school.


Something I don't understand is the controversy about the invasion of Iraq. It was obvious to anyone that this was a wrong move, but no, in the end the French are the bad guys... If I remember correctly even the US justice admitted it was all based on lies.
(pic semi related: when there are good reasons...)

>>32721865
'people got the government they deserve'
and you know, they still vote for refugees

>>32736187
Except that the normans were north-men, who were given land by the french king tonstop them from attacking the rest of france, they are vikings rather than french, hence the distinction between the french and the normans at that time.

>>32736187
I don't think you have a firm grasp on English history, I mean for one there was no "kingdom of Britain" that the Norman's took over
Applying modern borders and national identities to 11th century Europe is just silly, England and France have shared massive parts of history, as you say many of the English were French (though distinguishing that they were Norman's is important, again don't think of this in modern terms of them all just being France, Normandy, Aquitaine, Burgundy and Brittany were all almost definitely different, even if they are all united (at one point or another, not all the time though) as French
Also the split between England and traditional French nobility was happening by the 12th century, Norman lords obviously saw themselves as Normans yes, but they identified upon themselves specifically English also, drawing upon this frequently in times of war against the French crown and other Frank states

>>32736316
Normans were indeed northmen but by 1066 they were culturally, and mostly ethnically 'french'

>>32724436
I'm not French, but I served in their armed forces.

I can only speak for other foreigners serving with me, but the general outlook on the French people and French armed forces is generally pretty bleak. Mostly criticized is their snobbishness, feelings of supremacy even while their country is literally fucked in the ass by the half of the Africa and inability to even talk plainly about the issues.

There is also - even in the armed forces - absurd frequency of various social interactions, parties and celebrations and social rules are often above security concerns.

Food is great though. And I mean really great. And France is a beautiful country on itself.

>>32736282
You know that's changing now

>>32721723
Because they hid like cowards during WW2, got liberated at enormous cost of Canadian, American, and British life, and then pretended they had helped while simultaneously treating their liberators like invaders.

These days it's just cultural memory. The Brits, I assume, are well used to the French being human garbage. I can't speak to why the Canadians aren't still salty.

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>>32721723
>marine
so I'm guessing he's not in the 5th or 6th regiments?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourrag%C3%A8re#World_War_I

>>32721866
I think the first 3 were de Gaulle and they were right about the last one.

>>32721723
Is simple anon.

Charles De Gaulle was a piece of shit, France is a loose cannon and an unreliable ally, the French people think their cuntry is the shit when they're really basically irrelevant.


Story time!
So back when Germany conquered France the second time, as vengeance for the treaty of versailles, the liberal pussy french fled the country rather than live under German rule (Charles De Gaulle, for example) and established a "government in exile". Some of the French accepted they had lost, and tried to live as best they could under German rule. We denounce them as "traitors" when really their only crime was admitting that they lost.

Some french idealist patriots became part of the French resistance, and were brutally suppressed by the germans.

And eventually the allies reconquered France, reinstalled the weasel cowards who had fled, and those Frenchmen (Charles De Gaulle being the most prominent example) purged their political enemies - the french who remained and tried to live under captive rule.

And so, it is a cuntry filled with, and ruled by, weasels, spineless cowards, and cucks. As shown by their policies over the last 60 years.

>>32736187
LOL.

I have been to NYC and several parts of Texas, met many people there.

I could see Texans conquering a country.

The idea of the denizens of NYC conquering anything is laughable.

>>32721723
From another prior Marines perspective, I don't really give a shit about them or think about them. You're making unnecessary generalizations.

>My friends a Marine and hates Fruit Loops, do all Marines hate Fruit Loops?

That's you.

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>>32737498
Hmmm, really made me think.

Retard.

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>>32737498
Fucking hell anon. Stop watching fox news and read a book for once.

>>32737215
>got liberated at enormous cost
Not saying it was a picnic, but "enormous" is a bit exagerated compared to any other front of the war.
Besides, the French troops were there too and did their part, like in Africa, Italia, Germany...

>>32737569
He's just one example. I can give another one

>>32738593
Even in France. But most anglos never heard of operation dragoon.

>>32721766
>join us in our illegal wars or we'll hate you forever

>>32737215
we were salty well before WWII when France dumped a bunch of of themselves on north America and then refused to come get them. like a drunken mother who forgot her kid was at a play date.

>>32724551
>once we calmed down and realized Iraq was a bad idea but America was still riding that 9/11 hate boner and anyone that wasn't with us was against us.

'a bad idea' is an understatement

>we realised it was a bad idea
so stop holding this against the french. They were right

>>32721723
I don't hate France, I hate Spain.

Seriously, fuck Spain.

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>>32730032
>They have a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin's.

President Truman.

>>32739780
They are paid to shoot themselves?

>>32739780
So that's where that intro from rainbw six was!

>>32721727
this "guy" knows nothing so just ignore.
not all americans think this way as well not all /k/ommandos do either.

vive la france

>>32740036
Fire of trust. They want to make sure you're going to pull the trigger

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>>32721723
Everyone hates the fucking French.

>>32740299
Tactical doggo

>>32721727
> fight ancestral rivals for hundreds and hundreds of years
> this time they have machine guns and artillery
> both sides get btfo so fucking hard a whole generation is nearly wiped out
> france: you know what.. I'm gonna take a break from fighting for a bit

>>32735426

There does seem to have been since the failure of the Iraq war a kind of reactionary lack of long-term strategic foresight. The amount of ignorance to indigenous contexts and interests is proverbial legends - white house officials not knowing the difference of Sunni and Shia before the 2003 invasion, Wolfowitz and the like thinking Iraqis would celebrate and welcome the return of a Hashemite king on the threadbare and sterile scholarly thinking that "Hashemites are blood of the Prophet ergo Shia would love them". This isn't a partisan issue because the Obama admin displayed the same lack of foresight with Libyan tribal/factional considerations and dim-witted idiots like Samantha Power and Hillary Clinton campaigning for a Syrian intervention wouldn't consider the complex dynamics far beyond the meme of Sunni vs Alawite.

The skyscraper analogy is a good one, as is the societal unrest and kind of social contract of people participating in the system and not revolting against it as long as the system is trying to progress.

Speaking of,

>Lots of countries are able to scam out of thier agreements right now because things are going to hell in a handbasket and they know it either wont be noticed, or it wont be punished.

I half feel like this is the Israeli's long-term objective. The next time there is a global crisis, think a true depression and not a recession or something of a low boil WW3, they will deal with their Palestinian issue and it'll be ignored or unpunished by the Arabs/Europeans/ect. because they will be dealing with their own madness.

>>32721727
>the French are pussies
>the French were pussies
Notice the difference in sentence structure, you fucking retards.

At the same time, OP.
>with a marine friend
Your friend is an idiot, so not listen to him.

Can't say for everyone but for me at least i can tell you. France has the democracy, and are even the fathers of the philosophy that make my country so wonderful. The french economy isn't poor, its not falling apart (any more than any other country anyways) and they are somewhat successful. They fought hard in all the important wars in histories time and they did a damn fine job of it. They lost the second world war because they made a tactical error, I don't fault the french for that. They tried, it went sour, they rebuilt. my problem with the french is that while although they have the money, they have the power, and most importantly they have the men with national pride and courage, they don't do any damn thing with it. They didn't follow us when we went into the middle east to rid the world of sharia, they didn't amass or volunteer an army when they came under attack, and now they let their government welcome their enemy with open arms. if le pen can get in charge maybe they can come back into the fold of countries who will fight for their beliefs and the rights of themselves and others. I don't like the way things are right now because i see none of these brave frenchmen living up to their grandfathers names.

>>32721925
Primarily because it was a massive asskicking for the French that rivaled WWII, and on top of that, the U.S. decided to foot the bill for it as well.

>>32742017

Adding. I think it's telling how Mattis got into trouble with the Obama admin for constantly challenging policymakers within the context of an Iran nuclear deal - "And then what?". As a thought experiment I considered what I would do in his shoes with Syrian interventionists:

"You intervene in Syria for regime change, now you have Sunni rebels committing ethnic cleansing against Alawites/Christian/Druze/Kurds - now what?"
"You sent in troops to stop the ethnic cleansing a'la Samantha Power's crowning love of the bosnian intervention. Now you are in the crosshairs of a civil war between Sunni separatists and Iranian backed and Iranian staffed militias and insurgents. It's Iraq all over again with us trying to keep both sides from killing eachother while being killed by them, but even worse now because the Iranians are more or less literally and directly fighting us in Syria while we try to keep the peace - now what? Do you escalate with direct action against the Iranians or suffer to fight them in a detached 'vacation war' in Syria?"
"Oh, the regime change you did has now emboldened our Kurdish allies and furthered tensions with Erdogan, who now has withdrawn from NATO and is engaging in land intervention in Northern Syria against the Kurds - now what?"

I'm trying to consider more forward-thinking examples because hindsight is 20/20 and any idiot can preach about the mistakes already made with Iraq or Libya. But then there's the localized concerns - like Clausewitz said war is just politics by other means and while we are fucking unstoppable in war, we are fucking inept as shit in the politics department.
I think it was Michael Flynn who noted how the best and most essential information, and sadly the rarest that he got, from the state department was nitty gritty indigenous information on local factions, power-players, vested interests and dynamics.

>>32742142

Makes me half think Trump needs to consider applying some of his strategies in politics/campaigning in our indigenous foreign policy tactics. Outside of Europe and China/Japan/Korea the world of politics is a lot more Trump than it is Obama, and we could desperately use that kind of ruthless car salesman approach. I say that as a mister rogers "can't we all get along" guy who wanted to get into the foreign service (passed twice but failed on the personal narratives so I'll try when I have grad school and some years experience under my belt). It may be the antithesis of what I am but we need that kind of wheel and deal in the state department.

>>32742017
I just saw it first hand in Iraq a few months ago.

Al assad regime is shitty?

Fund "rebels"

Uh oh, rebels are shitty too.... guess theyre "terrorists" now.

Well, better train and arm rebels to fight the ones we are now calling terrorists!

How do we know the ones we are handing machineguns and TOW missiles to now arent gonna turn on us? We dont! We'll just have to find and fund a 3rd series of rebels to fight them if it comes to it!

(I got shot at by shia militants we had only just recently been ordered to equip and train the prior month, we KNEW they were fuckin sketchy but were ignored by the state department and forced to proceed anyways. Im not joking, lots of the ragtag militia groups we were training were being lined up and shot by the iraqi army a few weeks later because EVEN THE FUCKING IRAQI ARMY KNEW THEY WERENT LEGIT. Like im not exaggerating, the iraqi army would roll through the militia camps and just round these guys up and blast em with a dishka.

Its like that old fable of the little old lady who buys cats to get rid of mice, then dogs to get rid of the cats, then wolves to get rid of the dogs, then bears to get rid of the wolves and so on.

We are not planning ahead for the future, we are just reacting in the here and now, often solving problems with more problems. The glue holding it all together is media blackout and spin that is hiding how truly bad it has gotten, and downplaying the rapidly decreasing rate of returns on the investments made in these emergency patch type solutions.

>>32742022
I don't know why he hates them. He never gives me a reason for it

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>>32721723
The French and Americans don't appreciate each other nearly as much as they should

>>32742217

>Its like that old fable of the little old lady who buys cats to get rid of mice, then dogs to get rid of the cats, then wolves to get rid of the dogs, then bears to get rid of the wolves and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yruQM1ggc

We just need to find them gorillas that freeze to death in winter and subsist on Arabs and we're set.

Glad to hear you made it back alive, though I'm sorry you had to experience that inept and 'top down' ideas-guy policymaking. I have zero experience whatsoever in the field, just being a bookish sort so while I'd pride myself on greater understanding of the situations I also am woefully conscious of my limitations and am dead-set against the ivory tower 'ideas guy' mentality.

I agree that if the rank and file citizenry or even the high end policymakers had an inkling of the disastrous policies and ramshackle duct-tape-and-WD40 of it all they'd be furious and horrified. Or how the rest of the world works beyond the gated white-suburban community of Western Europe and the US.

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>>32742350
Their parades are pretty good

Fuck France and fuck French people

Us Anglos will unite and finish the French for good, this world has no place for cowards who refuse to fight alongside their saviours.

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Check out the last few moments of verdun visions d'histoire. Pretty sad

>>32722111

they had Algerians killing each other in the streets in the 70s. And a Paris police chief basically gave some Algerian protesters free helicopter rides in addition to dumping them into the river.

>>32724458

100th anniversary has brought the tremendous amount of French casualties into full view. A country that was already worried about keeping up in population with Germany had most of a generation involved in the worst war ever seen.

>>32739849
Looks like a Counter-Strike match turned into a bomb hogging clusterfuck.

>>32722370
Not that anon but,
> (we also had the receipt).
means literally the same thing as your entire post.

>>32722439
Stalingrad would like a word with you.

>>32745042
Yeah, but its too wry and glib without explaining the background of the WMD accusations.

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>>32725282
If the id's only last for one thread, how exactly is that removing anonymity?

How the fuck will I know who xcvg975 really is?

How the goddamn fuck will I be able to tie comments made by anyone who doesn't use a tripcode back to a real person?

How the fucking hell do thread id's compromise anonymity?

You know what they do accomplish? Those of us who actually care to discuss the issues of the day intelligently will be able to filter out samefagging and identify shitposters if they pop up multiple times in a thread.

I guess that would ruin the fun for you, though. Wouldn't it?

>>32727857
is that a G36?

>>32732236
The Ottoman empire beheaded/stoned trouble makers in the city centre's. The British were not quite that effective.

>>32729757
it is probably the titties

>>32731668
True. Half of France during WW2 prefered nazis to commies and were relieved that Germany invaded them since it saved the country from the reds.

>>32736064
>Guess the fact that the French government bombing a kiwi port in the 80s didn't help as well (no hard feelings)
France was based for blowing up Greenpeace's ship.

>>32738574
I've never seen any of that anon's post on Fox News.

Stop using tired, used up memes and develop some new ones.

>>32739319
Sovereign nations do not need permission to enter into war. Least of all the United States.

No war is ever illegal.

>>32745478
Yeah, thats the thing about the french. Theyre these total elitist prissy faggots who cant seem to win a stand-up fight to (literally) save thier own skins.

But theyre assholes. The precise elitist assholes who wont hesitate to just straight fuck somebody up smaller than they are.

Brother in law is a former legionaire, they do some pretty fucked up shit to those guys. Poor fucker hoards food in secret hidey holes cuz his heads all fucked up from a time their command intentionally stranded them on a literal desert island for 4 weeks with no food for no other reason than to "toughen em up."
Like a dozen guys died, and unlike merica where that shit would be all over the news and we'd get 8 weeks of weepy mothers and the junior high yearbook photos of the victims in france its much different. Its just "meh, zey vere le foreigners, it iz no great loss."

>>32745351
No it's L85A1

>>32745304
>If the id's only last for one thread, how exactly is that removing anonymity?
That's the exact opposite of what was proposed.

But I guess reading comprehension would ruin the fun for you, though. Wouldn't it?

>>32744090
Are those ghosts

>>32722273
>They refused to be a part of the coalition that invaded Iraq in 2003 despite being a NATO member and a permanent member of the UN security council
The former compels them to assist in defending the USA, not in attacking their enemies.
The latter is not relevant in the slightest.

>>32724550
>You speak English. The langage of a country that hated france for hundreds of years.
>>32724555
>France and England is like the biggest rivalry of two nations in history i'd say
>They're very close military partners nowadays though
>>32735648
>It's kinda amazing to see two countries that were always fighting and killing each other to being the best of friends

The Entente Cordiale has served both countries very well (as peace usually does).

Yes Prime Minister did make it clear that they were still considered the real enemy in Whitehall though.

>>32736064
>French government bombing a kiwi port in the 80s didn't help
That and nuking atolls in the pacific really, really made France unpopular in NZ and to a lesser degree, Australia.

>>32747361
Sauce please

>>32736638
>absurd frequency of various social interactions, parties and celebrations and social rules are often above security concerns.
Sounds pretty cool, to be quite honest.

>>32721981
>we saved you from germany, twice
>twice

go be illiterate somewhere else

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>>32747768
>nuking atolls
Seriously why would they care? It's at 4000 km from NZ, literally not their business.

>>32723974
>Parachute Dragoon Regiment
>Parachute Dragoons

awesome mental picture right now

>>32726842
you must be on drugs. who gives a shit if they were oppressed?! they're a stalinist shithole now, is that fucking better?

stupid americans with their stupid anti-colonialism ruined everything

>>32728523
you cunts haven't had 500.000 troops in this continent since 1990, go suck a dick. TWO FUCKING BRIGADES YOU HAVE HERE

like we don't know that in the event of a russian invasion you'd stab us in the back, like usual

>>32748232
New zealand and australia are weak skinned faggots.

>>32732236
the chaos only started when a certain country got into it's head that it was a good idea to hand over power to the savages. that country was the USA.

your constant meddling in the region doesn't help either.

>>32745623
that's the Legion. that's how it is. nobody invited your brother in law in.

you're the pussy faggot, not the french.

>>32726009
bullshit. Be european polite, not american polite. Don't roll in like you own the place, you are one of hundreds of customers, not a king. The french will not lick your boots just because you decide to buy something for 20 bucks. You are there to buy x. Be nice, its their place, you're a guest. Greet them with Bonjour, you're in France, you can say Hello, good day or whatever when you're at home.
Don't wear fashion insults. Don't act like you've "made it". Seem sophisticated, interested, slightly ashamed for not really being able to speak french.
Accept that beer and V8s are for tools, wine and V12s are for cultured people. Don't wear american patriotic apparel.
Suddenly, french people will be very welcoming. They don't hate americans, they just hate people that pride themselves on being american and believe manifest destiny is truth. If they won't notice you're american by just looking at you, they will treat you very differently.

>>32748325
Alright we may have started this small problem
>Car explodes from jihad bombing
But it is definitely under control
>5 more people get executed
I swear it's not as bad as it looks
>Truck kills 70 in holiday attack
It's going to be a-okay I swear g-guys

>>32745623
>Like a dozen guys died
>Left you on a desert island for 4 weeks
You got anything to say that isn't complete bullshit?

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>>32745478
>France was based for blowing up Greenpeace's ship.
And even to this day, greenpeace sympathizers still claim vengeance for rainbow warrior on any environmental news, even when it's just about a bunch of chucklefucks that flew a drone near a nuclear central.

Personally i'm waiting for them to go full ecoterrorism, so we have a very good reason to shit on them one more time.

>>32748325
No the region is fucked because the US won't stop letting the Saudis get away with their shit because the US are full of kikes who only care about profit margins

>>32728523
>look, you arent holding up your end of the bargain, if you dont get your shit together were leaving.

leave already. NATO a shit, I'm tired of seeing stupid interventionist bullshit. It only makes it worse and I cannot for the life of me understand why they are willing to send our men and women in to combat in places that we don't give a shit about.
>they are getting paid and influenced by NATO thinktanks and lobbyists, the MSM sucks NATO dick
Oh right. Fucking sellouts.

>>32748395
>>32748450
none of this would have happened if you cocksuckers would have let the french and he english oppress the natives.

but nooo, they had to be "free" from colonialism!

>>32748587
Wahabbisim would have still been spread by Saudi Arabia you fucktard

>>32724555
I don't think so. There was almost a perpetual state of war between Denmark and Sweden for 300 years. Friends now though.

>>32748587
I'm all for oppressing natives, removing their culture and stealing their land but it's a bit too late now, cats out of the bag y'know?

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France sucks

>noguns as fuck
>can't even carry pepper spray
>if you pepper spray a rapist you'll get arrested instead
>crime ridden islamic ghettos sprawling in every city
>freedom hating socialists who, at their core, believe power and liberty is granted by the government, tor the people. Not the other (correct) way.
>an overburdened, mediocre education system
>snooty bastard
>French food is mediocre, it's only good when compared to English gruel
>a reallyz shitty system of representation for elections
>beta males
>regulations out the ass, stifling entrepreneurs.

The list goes on and on and on and on

>>32721727
The eternal memer strikes again

>>32748663
England and France have been warring longer than that, and have been fighting all over the world to combat each others influence
The scale is simply not the same

>>32748669
I laugh every time I see one of the least white 'white' countries talk shit about others
Like cmon man your country is fucking full of niggers and beaner, whites are minorities in some places, and you're talking shit because frogs have sandnigger?

I feel like France is the same as the rest of Western Europe. I.e. about to get fucked over unless they stop trying run foreign policy based on emotions.


>all those poor refugee children
>"but sir...those children have beards and have killed pe-"
>FOR THE CHILDREN

I knew two French fascists in Croatia. They were very, very committed and had no qualms about doing anything. Even the British and American "advisors" present were wary of them and let them get to their own devices.

It would enrage most of the posters here but I never got that impression, ever in my life, from an American. They were totally determined. One died, killed outside Mostar and the other ended up in Copenhagen torturing Albanian and Turkish gangsters.

In hindsight they were the sort of people you would expect to have stopped existing after about 1945. No one on this website would ever want to encounter them and I hope I never do again.

>>32748738
I didn't realise scale was a part of it, I thought in scale relative to the respective nations. Denmark has ruled Sweden and Sweden has besieged Denmarks capital several times.

>>32748847
Oh yeah no doubt the swedes and Danes have gone at it, but I was thinking more in the terms of the biggest rivalry in that sense, it's why I'd also not pick US - USSR, because while the rivalry was large on scale, it didn't last anywhere near as long as others have been fighting, and didn't include much fighting, though it is know as one of the greatest rivalries
England and France has spent their history competing not only amongst themselves, but they've spread it all over the entire world for hundreds of years it's a kind of competition that I haven't really seen replicated fully anywhere else

>>32748919
To add to this, Britain and France do have the biggest rivalry (historic of course) due to one thing.

Think about it...they literally traveled to unknown lands full of sometimes hostile natives and kept fucking eachother up. They eventually convinced their own favorite natives to help them fuck eachother up.

In modern times aomething of this magnetude has not happened yet. It would be akin to the U.S. and Russia going to a new planet and convincing aliens to help them fight.

>>32748938
It's truely crazy, and let's not forgot the massive link they've usually had in nobility throughout the middle ages, many times has England been involved in Frances succession, and vice versa, Angevin conquests of France, French invasions into England, and the hundreds year war fuckfest
Then they look over the seas, sail to a far away land, lmao at beaners gay ass spic empire and start killing eachother over new land using tribes to fight as they go
Truely their is a shared history of brotherly fueds

>>32745589
Unless you signed the UN Charta. In which case almost any war but a war defending your ground is illegal. The exception being a UN mandate. Almost NONE of the US wars since the inception of the UN had a mandate.

>>32722151
>no reason
>forgets we gave Saddam chemical weapons

>>32748669
They can have guns

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>>32748791
you need to stop believing everything fox news says.