Next gen pistol round

>>32715336
I propose that, with better engineering for recoil management, larger caliber pistol cartridges will become more common

Maybe a 10x20mm in a gun that handles it like 9x19mm, along with more efficient powders

5.7.
Wound vectors.

>>32715336
im going to guess something non-lethal. the marketplace definitely needs better and more non-lethal options for uppity dindus and tweakers and other ne'er-do-wells. and by the marketplace, i mean state, local, municipal governments and such.

>>32715448
Unironically this. Maybe not 5.7 itself but something like it.

>>32715336
Maybe railgun-esque accelerated slugs.

It would make for less moving parts and more compact magazines

>>32715448
Except that it's only advantage is piercing armour.
>>32715448

>>32715527
Given every pistol round sucks shit at incapacitating people anyway, that's all it needs to do.

>>32715543
At least with 9mm you don't need to dump 20 rounds into someone for a confirmed kill.

>>32715568
Without a CNS hit, yes, you do. Sometimes more.

>>32715543
and if you take the hit to miss ratio of shots in ww2 you could conclude every rifle is an inaccurate thing that will likely never hit.
arnt statistics fun?

>>32715574
Were talking observable ballistic data, kid. Not statistics.

>>32715574
You could actually conclude that riflemen in WW2 were typically poor shots with the rifles given in the circumstances given , not that the rifles were the sole cause of inaccuracy

>>32715574
>>32715589
numbers are like your brother in law. they lie.

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.47x25mm

proceeded by 100 years of arguing over .45ACP, .47S&W, and .50AE
10mm will still be a snowflake caliber and 9mm will be for manchildren with pocket pistols

>>32715336
It's already come, the 9x25 Dillon.

>>32715665
I wasn't saying numbers lie, I'm just pointing they don't take many things in account. It's a very narrowly defined situation which ignores a lot of other factors. I think a lot of people watch too much tele and movie pictures that they assume a instant one hit kill or instant incapacitate with any or just specific bullets; is probable or a likely outcome. It really seems like a belief that is muddled in with the idea that your skill in aiming the bullet makes it hit any spot you chose for it to land do more damage or be more lethal regardless of where it hits so maybe it's the level scaling of video games to blame rather than tele and movies totally for some sort of D20 damage roll that has a base damage that goes up from skill and the +20rng is just stacked on top seemingly.

10 mm

I'd LIKE to see .357 be more common in semi autos, seeing as how it's pretty much the most lethal handgun round out there.

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Why doesnt someone make a rimless version of the .327 Federal Magnum for automatic pistols?
-has very high magnum velocity with 100gr bullets
-recoil the same as a 9mm
- hi-cap double stack pistols could have huge round count and thinner grip

>>32715697
>

Fuck off I want a carbine in one.

>>32715863
Thinner grip, but also uncomfortably long.

>>32715466
If mini taser slugs came back for real and were cheap enough, i would absolutely carry them

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It's already here.

>>32715888
Kek agrees.

>>32715888
What's even the deal with .357 Sig?

>>32715336
.45 Auto.

Seriously though, its more efficient powders and more reliable bullets. Propellant and projectile improvements have been where most of the advancements have been going lately.

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Sam here to check in with my five-seven!

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>>32715942
Is there any fucking a way a suppressor could work being that small? Would one that small just reduce the sound by less decibels than a traditional can?

>>32715925
It's a better sacrifice of capacity than .40 in comparison to 9mm to the point where 2-3 rounds of capacity are pretty much the only benefit you get from 9mm.

>>32715957
Is it supposed to be a suppressor or a muzzlebrake?

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>>32715991
Its an "integrated suppressor" according to the game and books. It magically makes the fuck loud 5.7 sub hearing loss levels.

>>32715875
>Glock 20
>Conversion barrel
>Carbine conversion kit

What's the issue, friendo?

>>32715336
How about telescoped ammo, but for handguns ? Would it work ?

Of course you can forget about reloads, but lighter and smaller ammo for the same power sounds good for a CCW.

It would also allow for smaller grips, which would be great for people with girly hands like me.

>>32715448
You need wound vectors.

>>32715689
>mixing units of measurement
Now THATS disgusting.

>>32715957

It could have one or more wipes.

>>32715568

>for a confirmed kill

You have to be 18 to post here.

>>32715568
navy seal copypasta

>>32715336

Probably something like a .22 TCM or 5.7mm, but bigger. So... 6.5-8mm for the bullet, maybe 20~25mm for the casing? Who fucking knows. Somebody with money wildcat this shit.

advances in metallurgy that let you shoot hotter and hotter loads from the same base cartridge, along with better recoil reduction systems

7.5 FK Brno

>>32716856
>>32716878
What else do you call shooting someone until you're sure they're dead?

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7.5 BRNO

>>32716964
>almost .44 magnum levels of energy
>low recoil
>100m effective range with iron sights
yes please

>>32715845
.357 sig or TREE FIDDY SEVEN MAGNUM?

>>32715957
It's not a suppressor, it's a barrel weight.

>>32715448
Except you are wrong.

For pistols you unironically want big chunk of lead and muh meme powah, inflicting severe internal bleeding is a bitch for the wounded guy but it's kinda like the "animals meat gets poisonous" vegan meme.

No animal gets poisonous after death because evolution doesn't reward the prey for killing its predator after being eaten, but for not being eaten in the first place. The "meat turns into poison" genes were simply never passed forward.

5.7 is probably one of the more deadly pistol rounds, but it's also the one that's not really likely to stop the target. You will hit the nigger running at you with machete, effectively kill him on spot, but adrenaline will keep him running until he hacks you to pieces. Then he'll bleed out.

As such, 10mm auto is more likely contender since it fixes most issues fuddyfive has while keeping most of the qualities you'd be interested in if you'd want pistol ammo.

Of course that's for military use, for civilian use there are other things to be considered(5.7 would probably do wonders as CCW round).

Supercavitating bullets, caseless, chemical propellant for gunpowder, electric ignition, etc etc

But only if it can be worked into existing weapons/cartridges.

>>32715336
depends on chance pretty much, the existing ones arent peak efficiency (10mm comes close, but it isnt)

the future of handgun rounds is pretty much up to economics and who gives it the +1 go ahead and markets it effectively

the RAS-12 was the next step of Shotgun Shells and it didnt go anywhere (even though it goes right in an AR-10)

so peak efficiency and effectiveness is one thing but infrastructure is another

>>32715697
ACTUALLY

I was thinking the same thing except that if you take a 9mm and just make it a straight walled 25mm case (instead of 19) thats plenty extra space for powder.

It doesnt even have to be a larger round necked down to 9... the 9mm is just fine it just needs a longer case perhaps even 28mm long like the 5.7

Then you have the same capacity in the gun as a 9mm which isnt all that bad, and you have the firepower of a 357 magnum and there's alot of flexibility there for what you can do with that

>>32715888
this isnt great but if it were hotloaded more than it is, it would do the job

>>32715448
I keep telling people the 5.7 case is okay but it needs to be straight walled instead of bottleneck.

It needs a 6.5 or 7mm bullet in it and it needs more powder. The world needs to walk away from 22 caliber weapons.

Which is like recommendation here:
>>32715863

>>32716964
I like it.

>>32717036
>I keep telling people the 5.7 case is okay but it needs to be straight walled instead of bottleneck.
You're stupid

>>32716984

A confirmed kill is a kill witnessed or testified to by an officer.

And if you think it takes 20 rounds of 5.7 to kill somebody, you're a fucking idiot. An absolute fuck-ton of people have been dropped dead by 1-3 rounds of .22lr.

>>32717006
>.357 SIG

Bitch pls, go full bore Dillon.

>>32717036
>ACTUALLY
I think they need to be bottle necked to develop the pressure needed or something. I mean if you want 357 power you need the the whole case length of it. Which is 33 mm. You can just magic that away.

>>32715336

Small calibre, long case, and a shitload of them.

>>32716989
>meme caliber
sure thing kiddo

>>32717151

Cool, let me shoot you with it.

>>32717111

pressure can be developed by using a finer grain powder, builds up pressure quick

you have that mixed with large grain powder like the 45acp has (so you have 2 different kinds of powder being used)

develops pressure spike early but the pressure remains good throughout the entire firing process because the large grain powder will still be burning in the barrel as the bullet has left the chamber

you're just not going to get much benefit out of putting it in a carbine, itll be one of those optimized loads where a 16 inch barrel only gives you like another 150fps

so its not dynamic like a 357 magnum is, but youll get 700 ft-lbs out of a pistol barrel

and the fireball might even be like a 9mm

>>32717151
I swear this is a bigger meme than 5.7 was.

Its fucking vaporware, company that made it probably did it for a contract which is why its 5 grand per gun (except you can get a .50bmg brick shooter for that price)

This thing isnt going anywhere

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>>32716964

>>32717202
Yeah then you have all that pressure that needs to be contained. Pressure doesn't build in a steady curve upwards. And you only gain a little in velocity for MUCH high pressure. Then you have the recoil to deal with. I think like others: You want more power in a small package that is easy to control. Get a sbr.

>>32715336
Well 9mm is still top dog and it's well over a century old.
It's going to take a different energy source to progress significantly.,

>>32716884
>somebody with money

Wildcatting is really not that expensive. As long as you have the know how, Hornady or rcbs will make you the dies for about 100-150 and a test bed can be had for 300 if you're being cheap.

T. Guy developing 6.5 carbine

9x25 Dillon obviously

>>32716991
This sounds identical to .30 carbine. Well, minus the almost part

Glock brand GlockxGlockteen in the Glock2000

>>32715966

Isn't it the same capacity as .40?

Pretty sure .40 and .357 meme use the same magazines.

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I think the failure of the 5.7 was due to FNs poor marketing. Look at all the marketing Glock put into their pistols, ontop of the fact that they practically give them away the price is so cheap. FN failed to get other gun makers to design 5.7 platforms, and they failed to get many other manufacturers to make the round.

>lighter than G17 when loaded
>20+1 rounds
>AP
>lower recoil than 9mm
>all plastic "life proof" exterior

How did they fuck that up every cop in the world should have jumped when there was a 20 round pistol lighter than the Glock. FN failed to sell it.

>>32717569
It is the same capacity. That was kinda my point. When I said 2-3 rounds more I was referring to 9mm.

>>32715697

Isn't this just a more memey version of 10mm?

Same basic ballistics and capacity?

>>32717581
I would buy a Five seveN and SBR PS90 if the proper AP ammo was available.

>>32717581
5.7 out of a short barrel is close to 22 mag, good for a SMG, not that impressive in a pistol.

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>>32717602
This^

Lots of people would. Its a great design and if more sub machine guns adopted it it would be a great personal defense round for tight quarters. FN doesn't see a lot of money in it though. The big bucks come from selling M16s and M249 and M240s that are bought in huge numbers.

FN really dropped the ball.

Like I said Glock has busted their ass selling their guns. I read a book about Gaston and cops used to bitch about how Beretta treated them. They'd ask for a demo from Beretta and they'd get to use the "demo gun" (beat to shit old ass beretta) for a bit, they guy just dropped the gun off with a few mags. They called glock and a sales rep showed up with a few brand new glocks and let the department keep them just for considering buying glock.

>>32717597
No. It can easily shoot 124 grains ay 1700 fps which is faster than the same weight in a 357 magnum

>>32717036
>It doesnt even have to be a larger round necked down to 9...
so basically you want a 10mmacp necked down to 9

>>32715336
.40S&W

Its like 9mm, but an insubstantial amount better in every way, and unjustifiably more expensive.

Sounds like the American dream to me.

But seriously, it is the only round without compromise in some respect over 9mm,
The expense of a different cartridge was never a serious issue going in, the cost of .45acp vs 9mm was never a serious factor worth dismissing either cartridge.

That being said, if .40 S&W is out, my money is back on .45 for that "offensive handgun weapon system" capability.

But .45 is seriously underrated among neck beards on this board, its like they don't know that in military application a "sidearm" is literally your secondary and back-up weapon, and carrying capacity per magazine isn't as large an issue as people think when you are literally covered in mag pouches, so long as each magazine can carry that critical ~7 cartridges.

And even then, there are plenty of ~12+ round options available, with the Sig P320 itself being a double stack pistol


TL;DR

.40 S&W and .45ACP are the contenders.

>>32717646
5.7 from a pistol barrel is similar to .22 hornet from a rifle.

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>>32717646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLGarHgm4YU

Gel tests show good performance on permanent wound cavities WITHOUT relying on expansion and such. They perform the same with or without a barrier anon.

>>32717668

Underwood ammo claims 135gr. @ 1600fps for its 10mm. Basically the same as what 9x25 dillon could do.

https://www.underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto-135-grain-jacketed-hollow-point/

I've heard the dillon shoots flatter over long distances, but with a pistol who cares.

>>32717683
>unjustifiably more expensive
It's the same price.

>>32717683
What do you think about 45 ACP hand-loaded to 460 Rowland pressure?

>>32717751
>.45 handloaded to 460 Rowland pressure

If it is only slightly less comfy to shoot, and lasts the ~2,000 rounds between stoppages, ~10,000 mean rounds between failure and 30,000 round part life, i'm sure t would be a great contender as a modernization of .45 ACP

But I don't have any experience with the cartridge, so I could never say for certain, but if it works i'm sure it would be ideally an improvement in every way.

They only thing that beats .45 is .45 with a flatter trajectory and more energy.

Remember that time when Ian annihilated all 5.7 fags eternally?

https://youtu.be/FYVJisJyaNA?t=10m14s

>>32717882
didn't he get the design/creation thing about it somewhat incorrect?
the round was designed for a more carbine/machine pistol sized weapon and then was horse shoed into a pistol version for compatibility/uniformity sakes for supply logistics reasons

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>What is the future of handgun cartridges?

The future is already here.

>>32718222
checked

>>32715466
WRONG

There is absolutely no reason to spend tax money on incarceration and rehabilitation of drug addicted dindus where a fistful of gold dots would make a better job of stopping the threat and not endanger the lives of the LEOs in progress. Economy 101

>>32717030
>chemical propellant for gunpowder, electric ignition
This guy knows

>>32718222
>>32718389
>"""""""future"""""""
>nearly 120 years old
i don't think so sarge

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>>32718222

I feel bad for anyone who bought a .45GAP.

I can't even look them in the eye, i consider them subhuman.

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>>32716964
>>32716989
>open website
>this fucking music
I was just waiting for the TEAM DEATHMATCH.

>>32717683
The point about .45acp being a true sidearm is why the caliber is still in use by a lot of special forces. It's not optimal for civilian purposes due to the size and low capacity, but that's not the only factor to consider.

Personally I'm waiting to see if 10mm ever catches on in the military, even in a diminished role. Given that no Western country is in a true infantry war, small arms technology has really stagnated.

>>32715863
>>32717036
>It needs a 6.5 or 7mm bullet in it and it needs more powder.

7.92x24 mm VBR never took off.

>>32715435
Nah. Cartridges have moved toward smaller and faster ever since that crazy haired fuck figured out that energy is equal to mass multiplied by speed squared. Increasing the size of your bullet increases energy on impact proportionally, but increasing its speed increases energy on impact EXPONENTIALLY! With better engineering for recoil management, we are going to continue to see increased power in the same size or smaller calibers.

>>32717822
Even 45 super is a good improvement.

>>32718527

>.45 GAP
>120 years old

Y-you're a fuckin' idiot.

>>32717019
probably a tangent here, but why is stopping power a meme? What's a better way of describing the ability of a round to stop a target from performing an action?

>>32720571
Stopping power's a meme because people are retarded and think that initial bullet diameter = lethality.

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>>32715336
10mm or similar large cartridge in a package that doesn't recoil much more than 9mm, it has to have good armor piercing and hollowpoint capability

>>32720571
Stopping power is not a meme in and of itself. The meme lies in what dainty calibers some claim have stopping power. .357 magnum is about where it begins, since a hot load will literally knock your target down dead >90% of the time.

>>32720612
But how can we make it more controllable? I was thinking some sort of grip that works like a shock in a car could work.

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>>32720647
I'm not a gun designer and I don't pretend to be, neither should you

>>32715336
>What is the future of handgun cartridges?
7.5 FucK you round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pO91Mc437U

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>>32718826
Unfortunately.

>>32720597
>>32720642
Ah, I get it now. Thanks for the answers

>>32718467
>the government should kill as many of its citizens as possible
Holy shit dude.

>>32718826
I want this shit so bad

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>>32716052
Glock

Id rather aero. Hell ill take .357 sig.

16" to 20" though cuz velocity

>>32715336
That's the thing about innovation, you have no idea what is going to happen until it does.I know nothing will replace the 9mm until something significantly better comes out, which would likely require a new design of gun built around a new design of pistol built around it,.

>>32715543
someone hasn't fired a nagant revolver

>>32721132
innovation lol putting a full powrred rifle caliber in a pistol. fuggin brilliant.

>>32715966
no. .40 itself is a piece of shit... was supposed to be the perfect middle ground of 9mm and .45acp, instead you still get the firing pattern of a .45acp with slightly less power

>>32721160
agreed, too much recoil, low capacity, expensive rounds, and for what? Ballistics are similar.

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>>32721149

>>32716989
I don't know anything about it, and you've already got me sold.

>>32720675
Who are you to say what I should do, dumbass?

>>32721358
Stick your finger in your ass.

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>>32721149
Are you literally retarded or do you just not know what a nagant revolver is?

>>32715863
Why do you need a high cap auto when you can fit ten shots in a full size revolver?

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>next generation pistol
10mm shorted up a little bit so it will fit in 9mm frame guns

>>32721610
We tried that and got .40 Short & Weak.

9x25 Dillon

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>>32715888
2.7x9mm Kolibri.

>>32718855
That is not what e=mc^2 means at all.

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>>32721630
No shit

>>32715527
>>32715527

Pure horseshit. 5.7 is to pistol rounds as 5.56 is to rifle rounds.

Fucking fast
Low recoil
Fragmentation
Capacity
Weight

Sucks dick at busting through cover, but that's a pistol for ya.

I honestly wouldn't bother with AP rounds in civvie world.

All that said I really don't consider it "next generation". And I doubt that any ammo advances are going to be particularly mind blowing for some time to come

>>32721700
>>32718855

I think he meant to say kinetic energy = 1/2 (mass)(velocity^2)

Which was known long before Einstein

>>32717202

How can one post be this shit?

All your opinions so far are fucktarded. You demonstrate a stunning lack of fundamental ballistics knowledge.

Realize that there are grown-ups talking, and go back to the kids table. People with degrees in physics, chemistry, and engineering are working on this shit. Don't you see? If the answer was a simple mixture of powder, or straight walled, long as fuck 9 mm it would be done already.

Judging from the majority of discussion so far

THE PAST IS THE FUTURE!

Holy fuck guise it's so obvious. 7.62x25 tok

Full disclaimer: not really bros

>>32718826
6.5×25mm CBJ floundered at the same time. I still think they're right, but politics were wrong.

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>>32717030
>chemical propellant for gunpowder
You just described gunpowder

>>32721160
.40 is a piece of shit, good thing I was talking about .357 sig.

its gonna be 357 sig because after this army contract people are gonna lick the taint of anything sig

>>32715845
10mm has similar energy with a larger bullet. Is the calibre is what matters, then 9x25mm or .357 SIG areplicate performance in a cartridge that can feed reliably.

>>32715336
Maybe something that shoot cleaner without loss of other ballistics?

If suppressors loose the stamp/wait requirement then cleaner ammo would be an improvement. Spend less time scrubbing and more time shooting, clean guns operate better overall.

>year 2142
>9x19mm is obviously obsolete
>everyone knows the new .42 Scrubmaster is way to go

>>32725193
There's an idea. If most guns have suppressors on the end them the powder doesn't need any flash retardant, making it cleaner

>>32718467
>Being an edgy retard 101

>>32720749
The answers are shit. Stopping power doesn't exist because no bullet has the energy to stop a person.

>>32725601

14.5mm would like a word with you.

>>32725259

>.42 Scrubmaster
>2142
>not using 6.66mm KebabRemover
>laughingsluts.jpg

>>32722043
Would love to see a modern gun in 7.62x25.

>>32715336
Nothing.

Nothing is broken don't fix it.

>>32726907
This is a shit attitude desu. And it assumes there's nothing wrong with pistol calibers available now, which is false

>>32718855
Just smart enough to sound like a total retard.

>>32715448
>>32715491
sup marisa

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>>32715336
>>32715497
>>32718498
>>32718855


Then it shall be a 1.5x9mm bullet, propelled by a combination of ETC powder and coil gun barrel, to reach a velocity of 28,000+fps.

The bullet itself will be two parts, the nose will be a double pointed, faceted industrial diamond, and the rest is mild steel.

Thus when the round impacts the target, the diamond both penetrates any armor found while also causing the mild steel to banana due to inertia, creating "wound vectors".

>>32717717
And what fucking planet do you live on?

>>32721691
I would unironically carry this if it had a trigger guard.

>>32718855
This is one of those statements which sound convincing but is unsound. If you halve the mass of a bullet its speed does not double. Instead it will increase by the square root of 2, which amazingly enough, works out to the same level of energy.

>>32715336

more necked down shit like .357 sig, 5.7mm, 7.5FK, etc

>>32727351
>5.7mm
>30gr
no thanks

Why isn't 7.62x25 more common? It seems like a really good round.

>>32727633
too long.

>>32721160
Uh 9mm has better velocity than 45, 40 has better velocity than 9mm, it's closer to size and weight of a 45 than a 9, has nearly the same capacity as a nine - 2 or so rounds
what the fuck are you talking about less power? if you take the grains of bullet weight a full magazine of 40 compared to an equal sized 9 is probably going to be heavier than the 1 or two extra bullets the 9 has (if you add up the weight from each mag) since 40 outweights 9 bullets by like 20 to 80 grains per bullet every 2 bullets of 40 can weight as much as 1 nine, while going faster and having a better size.

holy crap is there just like one shit poster that heard 40 was a smaller lighter powder load than 10mm acp (while still being faster than 9mm) and combs through threads to talk about how the fbi is a bunch of limp wristed girls?
yeah i know even when you explain this you'll just say- lower service life to the weapon than 9x19, what do you expect IT IS MORE POWERFUL

>45 super will never take off
>there will never be a reason for it

>>32715925
Nerve damage.

>>32715527
>Except that it's only advantage is piercing armour.
not even. have you ever shot a hardened steel semi spitzer slug 9mm? it zipps through NIJ IIIA like it was nothing. there is no need to even consider 5iveseve7 because AP 9mm ammo is a thing.

>>32717581
>AP
Not a consideration since 9mm AP burrets exist and have been even available to the public in the US some 30 years ago or so.

>>32725259
>Not equipping yourself with the P33 Pereira, the finest infantry sidearm this side of Suez

>>32725792
>2142
>6.66mm KebabRemover
>he fell for the meme that 6.66KR contains pork rind fat
>pigs and dogs have been hunted to extinction by muslims in 2085 after they gained control over the west
>nobody alive has ever seen or eaten pork
>only proof they ever existed is some apocryphal video files

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.22 CB

>>32728316
And don't even try to tell me that the Takao T20 even begins to compare. Electronic sights don't work if there's an EMP, and the P33 has far superior stopping power.

>>32715689
Get rid of that decimal and I'm in

>>32728156
>kids who want to turn every common round into a magnum/+P
>they cant comprehend why everyone doesnt use 'magnum' rounds

>>32728352
But Takao has 400 wound vectors per magazine!

>>32728322
This. Stopping power is a meme.

>>32728233
>>32728263
Who sells AP 9mm?

>>32717581
That's why the 45 GAP has been such a success?

>>32718527
I think that you are mistaken on the release date of the 45 GAP.

>>32715888
Reminder that .356TSW was better in every way

.42 Snyk
.320 Nicro

.420 D.E.D.

>>32715336
increased case thickness, smaller primers, and a more powerful load.

.45 super and .450 SMC have paved the way.

>>32727093
.. would that even work?

>>32730462
Using powder to start a coilgun round is a valid concept, as coilguns become more efficient the faster the projectile is already traveling.

Diamond rounds are silly though

>>32715336
9x19+P+P+P+P+.

We have the technology to make handguns that can take it.

>>32726907
t. bolt action rifle user

>>32721480
>for when you really want to say FUCK YOU to both the person downrange and the one holding the gun

>>32724066

I meant "chemical propellant to replace gunpowder".

Gunpowder is a chemical propellant but I made a distinction to imply they are two different chemicals, one being known and the other unknown.

>>32721132
Why? 7.62x38R is anemic as fuck and the hand nugget has a 20lb trigger pull.

>>32728322
.22 WMR in a machine pistol.

>>32715336
Ultra-high density exotic materials will replace lead and copper.

>>32718467
Edge Lord meet due process

>>32718222
LOL. K BUD

>>32730792
That's double action only. Single action trigger pull is a more manageable 12 pounds
>hew hew

>>32718585

>special forces

Everyone uses a 9mm Glock 19.

Everyone.

Delta tried to use Glock 23s but 9mm ammo is always easier to supply and acquisition.

>>32715336
>>32716989
No this exact one, but this style of cartridge (fairly powerful base necked down to rifle caliber).

On the other hand army will at some point finaly adopt PWD style cartrigdes.

>>32721595
Because:
a)10 rnds auto is much smaller
b)revolvers aren't viable for tacticool-never-happening defence situation

>>32720820
To be fair the 14th amendment was a mistake.

>>32727341
Math fucking weirds me out man.

>>32736102
I say we go to bigger is better agaim, all this fancy number talk makes my scalp tingle, there was nothing wrong with .557/455, make it rimless and chamber service rifles in it.

>>32715336
Caseless 10mm to be used in a modified micro uzi.

>>32715863
I really wish the revolver market wasnt settled .38 special/.357 so tightly. Been great to see .327 takeoff.

>>32728775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aaU4WwV07s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGXXLO6fxo

>>32715689
>0.47mm by 25mm

what

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>>32736135
not for sale

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>>32715336

Higher capacity, better range coupled with lower recoil would be ideal. Unfortunately the only thing that comes close would come in the form of some sort of a gyrojet-based projectile and that's still quite a way off.