What's the best anti-aircraft system in the world atm?

>>32713006
Another aircraft.

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>>32713006
A good fighter aircraft.
Otherwise, the AEGIS.

There arent any yet.
The day when any AA system can ground any aircraft at any time is the day when aircraft in the military become obsolete, which is never, or not yet.

>>32713029
FPBP

Birds

>>32713006
The weatherman.

sprey

>>32713036
This tbqh

the vacuum of space

>>32713056
Underrated

>>32713036
>>32713029
Why dont they make a aircraft with the AA system of a S300

Eyjafjallajökull

I'm not even kidding.
Over 100 000 planes grounded
Half of the European air traffic stopped dead
Lasted for over a week

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_travel_disruption_after_the_2010_Eyjafjallaj%C3%B6kull_eruption

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>>32713098
the missile is too big

>>32713006
A volcano

>>32713102
I've heard of Anti-Access/Area Denial, but that's just ridiculous

>>32713006
Iskander/Topol with nuke warhead falling on the runway.

>>32713006
Otomatic

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>>32713006
>anti aircraft system

There is no 'Best system'
What counts is a combination of different systems into an integrated air defence system that covers all envelopes from long range to short range with strategic to small unit air defence scale.

In naval terms, thats probably gonna be the AEGIS system

On the ground, its probably the russian army's air defense.

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>>32713112

Anon, that Iran want to have a word with you...

>>32713145

What about the land based AEGIS? I think that right now it's only used with SM-3 missiles but it should be compatible with SM-6 no?

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/aegis/aegis-ashore.html

>>32713102
so figuring out a way to set off a volcano is the best AA weapon, interesting.

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>>32713167
Well, land based AGEIS is a stationary system that does not have the capacity to follow a frontline, while russian strategic level systems such as the S300 and 400 can redeploy quite quickly.

Other than that, AGEIS is pretty boss overall, and would only become cooler with SM-6.

>>32713006
the S-400 anti aircraft system is the best in the world,however this becomes irrelevant when it comes to 5th generation fighters since they are going to detect the AA before it detects them

>>32713641
>5th generation fighters since they are going to detect the AA before it detects them

Keep dreaming, child. They switch off their active radars and only use passive radars and 5th generation (what a scamword) turkeys won't see shit.

And even if they detect them, WHAT can they do? Shoot a couple of HARMs at them? It will take dozens of HARMs launched in a were tight window to get through a mulit level defence layer of S400s, Buks, and Pantsir S1 systems.

Should a real battle break out between the US and the Russians, the reds would launch their ASAT missiles to take down as many US spy/targeting satelites as they can.

So, all in all, BS...S400s are VERY dangerous indeed even to 5th generation planes. The same mentality got that F117 shot down above Serbia. Tech has advanced in stealth, yes, but also in counter-stealth. If you don't believe it, you are deluding yourself.

>>32713851
Good to see someone where actually reads about this shit.

>>32713851
>The same mentality got that F117 shot down above Serbia
Flying the same route and opening your bomb bays at exactly the same interval over and over?

>>32713896
>Flying the same route and opening your bomb bays at exactly the same interval over and over?

Well, that surely played a part in it, but it wouldn't have been much use if they hadn't been able to detect the plane prior, for which they used the long frequency radars.

>>32713159
The Skyhawk is nowhere near the same size; the S-400's missiles are roughly 4x heavier and (AFAIK) nearly twice as long as the Hawk missile in that picture.

>>32713926
>if they hadn't been able to detect the plane prior, for which they used the long frequency radars.
How do we know they weren't detecting the F-117s when they opened their bays to drop bombs on targets?

When they ended up intercepting that F-117, they were practically under the jet (~20km) as it opened its bays.

>>32713851
check the radar equation and the you can have an argument with me.If you are gonna bring up low frequency radiowaves you are gonna need to inform yourself on electromagnetism,while low frequency radio can go long distances they have to have a large area to spread across and because of the size of the wave(~1 meter)THEY CAN'T LOCK ON TO TARGETS,and the f-117 argument has been debunked many times,believe me i am serbian and our people are a very high russian bias type,the reason the f-117 got shot down was because it had its cargo bays open and had a routine flight around the same area.

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>trust me, my dad works for Radar Equation Inc.

>>32713851
Is it, theoretically, possible to make a radar emitter cheaper than a harm missile?
Just asking.

>>32713159
i think that >>32713112 had a penis joke hidden in his post

>>32713098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s77cqabHsM
because

>>32713006
Well obviously its the one that has actually taken down a aircraft in the past 30 years.

>>32714183
A microwave oven is (more or less) a radar emitter. The problem is having something that mimics the output power, frequencies and all the other behaviours associated with an actual radar.

>>32714183

Ask >>32714016, he probably knows a lot better.

> the f-117 got shot down was because it had its cargo bays open

This explanation sounds kinda implausible.
I'm no engineer or bomber pilot, but I don't think an F117 opening it's bomb bay for the short time to drop it's ordnance was enough for a 40+ year old fire control radar to pick him up and guide a 50+ year old S125 Dvina SAM into it.

Unless, of course, the stupid moron opened the bomb bay minutes before he was supposed to drop his ordenance, or forgot to close it.

Since, these seem highly unlikely, I have to assume that the serbs had some way of picking up the F117 even before it opened it's bomb bay doors. The open bomb bay just helped to guide the SAM home.

>>32714183
Absolutely, i believe naval decoys have emitters in them, unsure of their cost though

>>32714791
The missile was launched from like, less than 10km.

I mean, thats like pissing distance.

The fact that stealth cuts engagement ranges into the dozens of km's is huge.

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>>32713006

>>32714831
>The missile was launched from like, less than 10km.

Yes, I know, Dvina's aren't S400 missiles range wise.
Then if what you say is true and that the short time was enough to lock on and guide the missile home, AND they couldn't pick up the F117 before on radar, and they guessed where it was based on past experiences...then I gotta say, the people who were coming up with flight plans for the NATO bombers were beyond horrifyingly inept.

>>32714889
>with flight plans for the NATO bombers were beyond horrifyingly inept.

Yep. Complacency kills.

It goes to show you, even with the best equipment you need good tactics.

That said, the fact that the F117 kill is lauded as a magnificent achievement is not a black mark on its record, its a triumph. One plane killed out of hundreds of sorties, over its entire lifespan, thats amazing.

Every time i see the serbian "sorry" meme, i just think about how much of a Goliath the F117 must have been to bring down that its talked about to this day.

Kind of proves stealth is not a meme

>>32714923
>Kind of proves stealth is not a meme
I'd think it depends on the type of war you're engaged in. The massive, massive cost of stealth even before you start production (and don't get me started on maintenance) means less planes overall and frankly the cost of replacing shot down planes is less anyway. In a conventional war against an equal opponent numbers are more important than individual survivability, this goes double if your likely opponent is intending to rush you with fucktons of armored vehicles anyway (that one plane might be more likely to survive but it can only carry so much). If, however, you are engaging opponents beneath your level the political/propaganda fallout from a shot down plane/dead pilot matters much more than the massive cost of putting a stealth plane in the air. It's similar to why the Humvee wasn't armored out the ass originally: it was designed for an all out conventional war rather than minimisation of political fallout.

>>32714960
Eh, the F-35 cuts down on the maintance requirements, and its pretty cheap compared to other fourth gens.

For the US, stealth is worth it simply becuase they overmatch pretty much everyone else with both sophistication of weapons and numbers, and when they dont from a pure numbers standpoint, they still over match with numbers of relevant sophisticated assets (heres looking at you, china)

>>32714986
Every once the PLAAF pretends J-10s are more than an equal match to F-16s...

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>>32715075
Not to mention ~50% of the PLAAF's fighter fleet are these 3rd gen rustbuckets

>>32713205
>mfw future warfare is conducted by triggering volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, hurricanes and tornadoes in your opponents' territories
>mfw phoneposting and don't have a good reaction face

>>32714752
this has to do with the electromagnetic spectrum,you see the longer the wave,the less energy per square area,so the most powerful electromagnetic wave is gamma and the least powerful is radio,now microwaves are something in the middle with the wave being 1cm long,this is also the reason why the food is spinning,there are differences of where the heat is located by 1cm appart from eachother,and this is also the reason why your microwave cant cook food but only heat it,because its energy density is too low.

>>32715104
Most of Russia's land forces are concentrated on air defence.

>>32713851

What if they just shoot down the 40N6 with an AMRAAM?

The missile is huge and doesn't maneuver well enough to dodge AMRAAM.

>>32716006
Do you think that RCS of missile is enough for AMRAAM to lock on?

>>32713098
A missile has to be bigger when it's launched from the ground because it starts at the wrong altitude and has to go up.
If the missile is launched from a plane the engine can be smaller because it only has to go forward.

>>32716006
>What if they just shoot down the 40N6 with an AMRAAM?

Lousy trade to say the least. 1 TEL fires 40N6 missiles, wasting 1 AMRAAM for each 40N6 would be a colossal waste of money and ordnance.

>The missile is huge and doesn't maneuver well enough to dodge AMRAAM

Like I said, a waste of expensive missiles. 1 battery of S400s could have up to 48 40N6 SAMs...48 AMRAAMs would be a full payload for 12 planes, which means these planes would have to disengage and head home, leaving the bombers defenceless against the next S400 battery, or even the shorter range Buk, or the point defence Pantsir S1.

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>>32713112
>>32714210

>>32716451

I would assume so. The diameter of the shorter ranged missile on the S-400 is about 800mm, which would mean ~0.5m^2 cross section. It will be reduced by the shape of the warhead tip, but that's pretty damn big in the age of >0.01m^2 RCS planes.

>>32716682

> Like I said, a waste of expensive missiles. 1 battery of S400s could have up to 48 40N6 SAMs...48 AMRAAMs would be a full payload for 12 planes, which means these planes would have to disengage and head home, leaving the bombers defenceless against the next S400 battery, or even the shorter range Buk, or the point defence Pantsir S1.

Well the air force is developing ARMAAM truck F-15's, which carry 16 missiles each. Maybe they could have those F-15's be on standoff anti-heavy SAM duty for the F-35's to penetrate close enough to toss off HARMs and JSOWs.

Alternatively the CUDA missile in development can be packed 12 to an F-35 and intercept at closer ranges.

>>32716682
> defenseless bomber
> gets a vietnam era Mig on its ass
> gets shot down by a fucking 30mm nose cannon

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>>32716923

>defenseless bomber
>gets a vietnam era Mig on its ass
>Mig gets shot down by radar-laid 20mm tail gun

post Gulf War tail gun removal was a mistake

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>>32713006
Kub is love. Kub is life.