Beretta M9 Farwell

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>>32712115
Never quite lived up to the reputation of the gun it replaced.

>>32712115
Good riddance. Beretta is junk. Broken barrel blocks and inconsistent trigger pulls.

If you like the M9 and think its a great service pistol, you don't know guns.

>>32712115
>What did you like?
A E S T H E T I C
Reliability
>What did you hate?
Slide Mounted Safety

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meh

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>>32712126
Someone please tell me this is bait? I can't tell anymore.

>>32712126
I bet you are one of those faggots who is also parroting the "ARs are unreliable" meme. KEK

>>32712153
Ars are plenty reliable but their gas system is dirty. Better wear eyepro cuz after 3 full mags you'll have so much gsr on your face your eyes will dry out and your pores will clog. Havefun with gun-acne>>32712153

>>32712146

I remember this. The taller one was some trip here and the one on the right was his girlfriend. McNiggerator hung out with them I recall.

>>32712229
Was the gf hot?

>>32712115
I carried one in theater.
Overall it's just above meh
It was accurate.
It's not as balanced as my personal P226 and thus feels heavier.
Dissassembly is easy and there was never an issue with mag retention
SA pull wasn't as good as it could have been.
Grip is fat for what it is

It's not that I want to rail on the slide mounted safety trope, it's just that it's by far the worst one I've encountered. Jerichos and Makarovs have much better slide safeties.
Downwards should be fire so racking the gun doesn't make it safe, the detent should have been better so it didn't deactivate/activate literally all the damned time. It just wasn't thought well enough.

The US mil could have done much worse back then in the early 80's, but it certainly didn't pick the best.

>>32712235

By furry standards she was smoking. Which is to say, not fat. There is a YouTube video somewhere of her unboxing her fursuit. The link was posted here but that had to be at least two years ago.

>>32712115
I hope they sell off some m9s.

>>32712115
Probably one of the easiest semi-auto handguns to teach new shooters on. It's accurate, metal frame means less perceived recoil, and decocker is helpful. But after striker fired guns like Glocks and M&P's became popular, it was time for the old gal to be sent to pasture. I still enjoy shooting it but I understand why it's gone.

>>32712257
Don't count on it. All the 1911's got cannabilized by MARSOC. Expect something similar.

>>32712260
What aee you talking about? Muzzle flip on the M9 is a bitch and a half. I GET LESS MUZZLE FLIP OUT OF MY SW29 44 MAG

>>32712269
Tons of USGI M1911's ended up in the open market in the early 80's. Hell there were units that took them to gun stores by the bucket load after they got written off.
Granted there are still a ton in storage.

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>>32712260
>>32712236
How does the M9/92fs compare to the Cz75?

I'm thinking of buying one next month.

>>32712146

>Broken barrel blocks

The locking block is a consumable part, and should be replaced the same as an ejector spring (~5k rounds +P), though they have been known to last 20k+ rounds.

>trigger pulls

Trigger pulls are consistent, provided the gun has not been tampered with and/or horribly abused; same goes for any other gun.

>>32712282
Not him, but I don't think it's that bad. It's certainly worse than a P226 or similar due to the light slide+ high bore

>>32712291
Its junk. Buy another cz instead.

>>32712236
>slide mounted safety

If you slingshot it, the safety won't engage; if you overhand it, the safety may engage if "worn out".

>>32712291
The Beretta is going to be a little more expensive. That said, they're both very accurate. CZs are known for having "meh" triggers (except for the omegas) whereas Berretta 92s are known for having long trigger pulls. Both feel good in the hand, but CZ is definitely the winner there. However aesthetically speaking the Beretta wins hand down, it's just a beautiful gun and has that cool factor to it. Just about every action hero in movies during the 80s and 90s carried a Beretta 92.

They're both solid choices, hold them both in your hand and see which one you like better. If you can get a chance to shoot both before you buy, even better.

>>32712291
Buy both. 92fs's are going to be cheap regardless if the M9 get's surplussed or not.
Either way parts will be plentiful, and there are mods to make it a much better pistol - including rail addons, threaded barrels, better locking blocks, RDS cutouts, slides with a front sight dovetail, etc

But until then? Buy the CZ

>>32712295
But it shouldnt be. 1911 barrel links arent a consumable.

Idk what trigger you been testing but the accepted ratio for arsenal m9s is 5-7lbs single action and 9-12lds double. Its rarely consistent.

>>32712306
Every single one is worn the fuck out. The safety was poorly thought out

>>32712310
If he's a big guy with big hands he'll be in love with the M9

>>32712306
Seeing M9's with safeties off in the holster due to literally the slightest breeze was so common NCO's stopped griping on it. On my issue M9 I had had people flick my safety back on in the holster only to immediately go back into fire.

Yet when you actually rack the damned thing suddenly it stays on safe.

Armorers stopped caring a long time ago about the M9's safety

>>32712316

They were worn out because they can still operate even with loose tolerances, and therefore it was not "economical" to replace the parts when servicing the firearms.

>>32712342
*stays on safe inadvertently

>>32712283
>Granted there are still a ton in storage.
Maybe I'm too familiar with my usual surplus gun websites... where did the 1911's ever appear in the last five years? I know a few milsurp collectors and even those guys said surplus 1911's are a lost cause.

>>32712345
I've shot Mak's that have been through hell and back and the safety is unobtrusive and stays where you want it.

If a 40 year old slav shit can do it why can't a beretta?

>>32712354
Theyre parted out more often than sold. I remington rand parts on my taurus frame. Blasphemy i know but they fit perfect.

>>32712354
I was talking about 1982, not 2012.
You can find USGI 1911's on gunbroker now that go for much much more than they did back then.
CMP wants to surplus sell the ones that are left in stock - they would include some of the MARSOC guns, the MEU guns, and other 1911A1's that sat in war reserve storage through the end of the cold war and beyond that weren't sold, parted out or smelted. It's not going to be a large amount either way, it won't do much to the 1911 market other than drive prices slightly down, we're talking well under 200k guns here

>>32712360
>through hell and back

They were operated by US privates?

>If a 40 year old slav shit can do it why can't a beretta?

Because if the slavshit broke, they tossed the gun. The Beretta wouldn't "break", though it became much less "user friendly".

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I'm going to miss that 80's AESTHETIC more than anything. Other than that their accurate, easy to handle and maintain and seriously robust after the barrel block problem was addressed.

>>32712385
>They were operated by US privates?
Drunk Slavs

>Because if the slavshit broke, they tossed the gun. The Beretta wouldn't "break", though it became much less "user friendly".
Yeah, no. I've actually seen Mak armorer kits there kiddo

>>32712136
All of that Bullshit mall ninja crap. Chink scope. Yup it all checks out.

>>32712395
So modern 92fs don't have the barrel block problem anymore?

Anyone know the designation?

M11 is taken, by the old sig.

>>32712403
>Yeah, no. I've actually seen Mak armorer kits there kiddo

Don't know why you're calling me a kid when you can't understand basic logic.

If a Mak can' function with a worn-out safety, then they have to replace the safety or scrap the gun. If the 92 has a worn-out safety, they don't have to replace the part, though it negatively affects the user.

Hence why a functioning Mak will have a decent safety, whereas a functioning 92 may not have a decent safety.

So there ya go, kiddo.

>>32712418
M17, apparently.

>>32712395
>>32712414

Obviously shitposter from here:
>>32712126

Can't even use the right term "locking block."

>>32712313
>x is a consumable
>I don't like that

>>32712369
>Theyre parted out more often than sold
RIP 1911's, you were beautiful once.

>>32712419
Never have I ever heard of a worn out safety on a mak.

>>32712433
Currently it's XM17, the Army could change it however. Too bad they can't call it the M320. They really fucked that one up.

>>32712452
>the right term...
...is that stupid shit that breaks on EVERY M9 because the design is trash. You dont see pieces of glock, sig, hk, 1911, or even cz barrel shattering like glass after 10,000 rounds

>>32712321
Hope he's Shaq then. I'm 6ft and I think the 92 feels fat

>>32712495
>barrel
>complaining about the locking mechanism

Just googled glock locking mechanisms breakage seems like glock has the same problem but you have to replace the entire barrel not just the locking block.

>>32712495
As >>32712513
pointed out, glock barrels combine both the barrel and "locking block", so when one fails, you have to replace the barrel.

> shattering like glass

It would shatter like metal that has been damaged due to violent compression, because that's what's happening.

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Kaboom

>>32712590
Do you really need to shit post?
Because how many picture of glocks in that condition are there.

>>32712507
I'm 5'11" and it feels fine for me
>Mr baby hands
It was the first center-fire pistol I shot so maybe I'm a bit biased.

>>32712590
That's actually pretty cool that there is no slide damage

>>32712146
How uncomfortably hot do you think it is inside all that getup?

>>32712115
It shit. Like any small arm the military adopts. Them adopting SIG is confirmation of how shitty SIGs are.

>>32712236
>mak safety is better
Hell no.

>>32713028
mostly for me it's the mag release, I always have to shift my grip to hit it. I haven't tried slim grips though which I think would help

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>1911
AESTHETIC
>M9
AESTHETIC
>P320
Glock with down syndrome

Mfw reading this shit this morning

>>32712175
>gas system is dirty
dirty? carbon is a type of dry lubrication.

I don't think the M9 is aesthetic at all. Well known, popular, sure. But I don't think it's inherently a good looking gun at all

I have one, I like it. But it's heavy as fuck and the stock plastic grips that come with it suck too.

Wouldn't carry it. But it's a decent house gun and a fun range toy.

>>32713217
damo I didn't know you browsed /k/?

>>32713114
They are just practicing for hell

>>32713254
You have bad taste and probably like those retarded revolver handle humps or something

>What did you like?
sexy, exposed barrel and external trigger bar

>What did you hate?
never really fit my hand


cheap surplus m9's when?

>>32712115
The original m9/92sb is a cool example of the seventies to eighties handgun evolution. I think the military choose well given the options available. I wish that the DoD had kept up with maintenance better, and I would have liked to see the m9a1 adopted by all branches when it came along. I carry a Vertec, and it shoots flawlessly. All that said, it is just fine with me that things move on. I will not miss the weight of the m9 in the field, that's for sure.
>Army decides to mount pistol PEQs on everything
>new pistol ends up heavier than m9
>>32713033
Slide nothing, I think it is cool that the grip is intact.

I like them. The 92FS INOX is one of the next guns on my buy list.

Anyone else waiting for that delicious surplus?

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>>32712115
Never fired an M9 during my whole time in the military (besides those modded treainer ones that shot paint rounds). Talked to a few people that have and the results were mixed: Half hated it, the other half ranged from indifference to genuinely liking it. Of course by then the guns in inventory have spent about 30 years being used and abused. Old timers that were around when the M9 started replacing the 1911 will tell you that it was about time they replaced the guns. Give it about 15-20 years, E-4s then will be saying the same thing about how the Sig inventory is a crappy gun. They'll probably even be talks of replacing it around the 20-year mark.

As for the design itself, I liked it so much that I ended up buying my own Beretta years back and I'm still loving it. Can't really think of any legit things I don't like about it. i like holding it, shooting it, I like operating the slide, I like that removing/inserting mags is easy, it looks cool, and I've never had a problem with with it. I guess carrying it is the only down side given its size and weight, but those are trivial if you're not carrying concealed.

>>32716045
Cool. I don't think I have ever seen a 90-two with an Inox barrel. You do any other dress up parts on it?

Em Nines at the See Em Pee?
>I know I'm retarded and it's an impossible longshot, but a boy can dream.

>>32712115
>what did you like
>A E S T H E T I C
>accurate
>non-tilting barrel
>nice single action
>comfy mag release

>what did you hate
>the double action
>the slide mounted safety

>>32712115
The M9 is a good gun, but not the best. As a full size service/duty pistol it's does its job well. The biggest problems are that its design just isn't optimized for neglect (which inevitably happens to mil guns) and the slide mounted safety.

The 92G, especially the Wilson Combat ones, are just fantastic for everything but CC and mass issuing to troops.

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Beretta fag snowflake edition checking in.
Shot some Wolf in celebration of The God Emperor.

So does this mean a shitload of milspec surplus M9s are gonna start cropping up in the next few years?

>>32716886
Fuck no. Selling prior service weapons is illegal due to the retarded ass Democrats. Even if they convert the triggers to have no fun switch. They'll sell em to the Philippines or something. When I went to the Philippines in the Marines they were walking around with no shit M16A1s with the triangle grip and everything.

>>32712115
the army just ordered 70,000 new M9's

>>32712175
Stop parroting this meme.

>>32716913
>thinking retarded gun laws aren't going to begin swinging back around with a Conservative majority gov't

>>32716913

I think that just applies to FA rifles and ordinance.

I have a surplus M9 slide, so I think we'll start seeing a flood of parts at least.

>>32712115
>What did you like?
9mm, full sized, light, DA/SA, reliable, accurate, cheap enough. Purdy.
>What did you hate?
Safety (I hate all manual safeties on sidearms), lack of easy way to put on night sights (until recently) Officers that never maintained them. Shitty issued magazines.

t. an armorer

>>32712115

>What did you like?
Is meme gun, and I like memes
Also, fun to go ninja mode
>What did you hate?
Inconsistent lockup and wobbly barrel. I ended up having a bushing installed to ease my autism (actually slightly improved mechanical accuracy from a rest, but probably not worth the cost).

>>32716967
Its not a meme. Go full auto and see for yourself. Oh wait. Civilians almost never go full auto.

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>>32712115
the m9 was trash.
those who disagree choose one and only one
>hurr i didnt serve
>hurr i served but didnt use the m9 but once at the range

the m9 was trash, and idk if theres anyone even in the army today that remembers when they were new.

>>32712115
i sucked with mine. could never be accurate on my first shot, but thats my fault

>>32712126
/thread

>>32717253
Agreed. Thats what Ive been saying for 20+ posts

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>>32712115
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST ADOPT THE GLOCK 17!

>>32717296
No manual safety. Not modular enough.

>>32717356
It didn't need anything else tho, is the Army too retarded to understand 'GLOCK perfection'?

>>32717388
Is glock to retarded to make a model that fits the army's requirements?

1 add a not trigger based safety
2 have it be able to go from a 17 to a 19 size and back
3 changeable back straps
4 can change caliber
5 is poly framed

The only ones glock can do is #3 and 5.

>>32712146
Thats mcnig in the suit on the left.

>>32717460
>1 add a not trigger based safety

And haven't they already done this for other militaries/police orgs?

It's not like they don't know how to do this.

>>32717519
I just want a 43 with a grip or frame safety.

>>32712115
DA/SA sucks. One type of trigger pull is all you need. The 1911 proved this. Glocks and Glock clones continue to prove this.

Slide mounted safety is retarded. The majority of beloved firearms either don't have a manual thumb safety or have a safety mounted on the frame. If slide mounted safeties were superior more firearms would have adopted them. They haven't.

The M9 is too big and heavy for holding only 15 rounds of 9mm. Weight can improve how quickly you can recover from each shot, though. So, I can concede this point to people who only need to move the gun from their range bag to their hand and back again.

>>32717557
18 rounds of 9mm
Weighs similar to other metal framed wonder nines.
Originally had a frame safety but a decocker was rewired for a contract and so it became slide mounted so it could rotate the firing pin out of the way.

>>32712175
what in the actual fuck are you talking about? 3 full mags and you think you get shit in your face and eyes? You're either a troll, or some dumbass redneck fud that's never owned or fired an AR. 3 full mags... you are goddamn retarded if you actually believe this.

>>32717622
Hmm... all of the ones issued seem to be 15 rounds. But, if you are free to use 18 round magazines, that is a fair point.

It doesn't matter if it weighs similar to other metal-framed 9mm pistols. There are other guns that don't have metal frames that are slimmer and lighter. This is preferred if you actually carry the weapon.

Sig P226 didn't and doesn't have a frame-mounted safety, yet has a decocker. There was no need to mount the safety on the slide or rotate the firing pin out of the way. Either Beretta should have done what Sig did or Sig should have submitted pistols that didn't do poorly during the mud testing.

>>32712175

Boyo, are you high, or just being a fucktard?

>>32712115

The M9 has a lot of problems with it's design... but there weren't many great options back then. I think it was a solid choice for what was available at the time, and they're making another solid choice. I was in the service myself and I'm telling you right now.... anyone that's ever met and MP or an officer knows their sidearm NEEDS A FUCKING SAFETY

>>32712115
Great gun, she started showing her age though. Not a fan of the new design they've chosen, but I don't do military contract bids so it's not my problem. She'll always be around thanks to action movies.

>>32717734
The slide safety was added for a french contract not the US one it just so happened all contracts after that one also wanted a decocker so they got rid of the tooling for frame mounted safetys.

>>32713646
underrated

>>32717790
A French contract mandated the safety to be mounted on the slide? So they threw away all of their tooling to put the safety on the frame?

>>32717827
No the french contract needed a decocker and a firing pin block which just so happens to be easy to do with a slide safety. Not immediately but when all subsequent contracts wanted the slide safety/decocker they sold the tooling to taurus.

>>32717897
Well, I have seen other designs that have firing pin blocks, safeties, and decockers without mounting anything on the slide. I agree that it is easier to accomplish those goals in the manner Beretta chose to reach them. However, that doesn't mean the way Beretta accomplished those goals is ideal or even good.

I was not aware of many contracts asking for anything on the slide. I understand that they just kept it the way it was because that is easier. Again, the easy way is not always the best way.

>>32717710
>>32717752
The only fucktards here are people who have never shot an AR full auto. I have. And your fucking face gets covered in GSR from all extra gas that comes out the di system into the chamber.

>>32718112

Yes, I have, and no, It doesn't. I've got two slidefire stocks, one on a PSA ar15 and one on an Arsenal AK. If you're having that problem, the rifle is fucked up.

>>32718112
>full auto AR
So an M16?

Also, your armorer must have just been fucking with you, fix your goddamn gas system. I have literally never heard of this happening to the point where someone would say that it "covers their face"

Yeah, you'll get dirty if you magdump at everything but not to the point where it affects anything at all.

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>92S
>likes
A E S T H E T I C
De-cocker-safety
Feels good
Shoots good
well balanced
cheap to buy
cheap to shoot
no one can shove my mag in their m9
Nearly new hand-select option
>dislike
monster grip
only holds 15
Special snowflake official -S -FS mags only
tiny sights
RH only

>>32718698
All new a1 and a3s ship with 17 rounders and 18 round flush mags are available, may need a cut added to fit a s model.

>>32718797
I can do the cutting, no problem. But I have a hard on for the manufacturer correct magazine. It's more that I have to buy official Beretta mags to maintain that erection. Also magwell is slightly narrower and doesn't take all the aftermarket mags smoothly.
>snowflake gun

Will the M9s go up for sale as surplus?

How much will they run for?

I'd like a cheap full size 9mm. Glock need not apply.

>>32719183
They won't and even if they did it'd be hard to beat the price of current 92fs/m9 market and would be much lower quality.

>>32712282
Really, cause nobody has any reason to think you're anything other than full of shit. The 92/M9 series a well known soft shooter

>>32712296
I want you to take a moment to think about what to just said. Especially pertaining to bore axis compared to the Sig and the slide weight

>>32712316
The safety was a request, otherwise it would have remained on the frame like every other Beretta. I don't like slide safeties but I actually find it to be more natural than the "proper" down to fire bullshit

>>32712495
You know nearly every design has that one parts that's shit. CZs for example has garbo return springs

>>32712115
>Tell me how you honestly feel about the M9?

It's an Italian version of the P-38 with a goofy long slide and a high cap magazine.
That aside?

"Meh". It's okay.

>>32718430
i've experienced this on my CA neutered semi, literally wiping that shit out of my nose

it does have a muzzle brake though, but most of that shit goes to the sides.

>>32718384
Slidefire is not automatic.

>>32713133
You are such a bitter faggot to everything that isn't HK. God damn participate or fuck off to some HK fancy site.

Let me go ahead and respond for you since you always say the same shit
>projecting
>being this mad

Thanks for showing up.

>>32712235
>>32712235
The ass was fat

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Beretta best girl

>>32712115
Carried it as a k9 handler for ten years. More often than not if only have my nine in my drop holster and rifle in the gun trucks to keep my hands free to direct/handle the dog.

I hated that thing, the pistol grip is fucking massive, you can't attach a light, and the ergonomics are a shit.

All that being said it's accurate, reliable, and I'm probably gonna buy one, lol.

My p220 is my favorite pistol of all time.

What is the Army going to do with all its old sidearms...? Any chances we could see them on the market for el cheapo, or at the CMP?

Would be interesting. Sig is one of a few of my dad's favorite brands, shot a few CC designed sig's and they've been nice, never jammed on me, fairly accurate for such a small gun (just the ones my dad owns). idk if it's just my personal issue colt, but every time I go to range it jams like a motherfucker every so often. I've cleaned the bitch through and through. Maybe it's just old. Pissed me off because I lost my fucking expert status, cause "not enough rounds for a 2nd try."

>>32722640

Congratulations, you are the 80th person to ask that question in this thread.

>>32722640
It won't be instant replacement, it'll be a few here, a few there. Major weapon replacement usually takes a few years.

>>32722877
And we don't have an answer yet.

/pout

>>32712115

90 rounds through the M9 was the entirety of my small-arms usage in the military to date.

looking forward to putting those rounds through a P320 one day.

slide mounted safety was the only negative, p320 a shit.


Sigs quality sucks ass too.

>>32722928
Kill yourself Phil

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>>32717253
>the gun itself was shit because it was abused
>it's Berettas fault despite the fact that they engineered one of the most reliable and shootable fullsize 9mm service pistols in the world

If I throw a bunch of broken parts into my Glock 19, does it make the Glock 19 objectively terrible?

>>32712115
GUYS I NEED TO KNOW

I wanted to get an M9 for awhile but I've just never had the spare cash to set aside. Is the M9 gonna drop in price once they're taken out of circulation soon?

>>32723018

Coulda fooled me, the 320 I got eats anything I feed it and takes abuse pretty well.

Maybe I got a really good one or something, not sure.

>>32723079
Nope. Beretta is focusing on producing the 92a1 and M9a3 right now.
I wanted an M9a1 over an M9, and for the life of me couldn't find one. Settled with an M9 and it's breddy gud

>>32723018

My SIG has been tough as nails for years and 1000s of rounds. Never has jammed or malfunctioned in any way. Why do you nogun poors always shitpost about things you have no experience with?

>>32712313
>why is a steel locking block that holds the breech closed under the stress of firing a high pressure cartridge breaking instead of the unstressed pivot link in the 1911; which shoots a lower pressure cartridge and has the steel locking lugs built into the barrel
gee i wonder why they break with use, i guess the 1911 is a fucking unbreakable death laser. army fucked us again

>>32717253
Lemme add a third option
>hurr i was the company armorer and couldn't qualify with it

Joking aside, as an actual armorer, the gun was overall "Okay" It had it's pros and cons just like anything else. The biggest issue with nearly all the meme spouting are solved with "Maintenance". The few other things would have been taken care of with a handle of addendums.

It's funny that the 320 was chosen as I was leaning that way before I heard it was in the running. Feels good man.

>>32723079
>Is the M9 gonna drop in price

No. If you want an M9, get one. That or a PX4 fullsize.

>>32723768
It's amazing how little people know about the M9 pertaining to its reliability and assume it's a piece of shit because of the chronically abused 30 year old guns in the military.

>>32723853
its a shit because it has an open action and a stupid manual of arms (slide mounted safety).

>>32723853
its amazing how some random guy on the internet knows so much about the M9 and we just assume he's a piece of shit because of hes a chronically overweight abused 30 year old man child in his mothers basement

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>>32723853
Take it in stride, brother. If I had the OK to fix a few issues, they would have been...

>Slight size increase in the roll pins for the safety
or
>Safety relocated to the frame were it should have been
>Safety is now also a decocking lever
>Locking block is either made more dense or out of a harder wearing metal
>Recoil spring is replaced with one of a higher strength, but not too high
>Grips were slimmer for smaller handed/gloved shooters
>Sights were slightly larger with larger dots/brighter dots

>>32723888
Funny you bring up the safety. DO NOT USE THE M9 IN THE 1911 LEATHER HOLSTER.
There are 'Nam holsters in nearly every company and jackasses always find in and stick their M9's in it because "cool". Don't. I will force the safety up and into the "fire" position with regular everyday movement.

Also
>checked

>>32723924
I'm 36 and live in the upper half of the house. Then again, my name is on the title.

Here everyone, have a Gamigoat

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>>32712126
>The only M9 I've ever fired was in a video game

Why didn't they adopt Glock instead?

Pistols are used so rarely that it doesn't really matter how it performs and Glock at least can be used for last resort suicide charge as a grenade.

>>32723949
So you want the frame to take the wear instead of the easily replaceable part?

>>32723992
Not too much more. Nearly every M9 that I had to fix, .0001% needed the frame replaced. I can only recall about maybe 5-6 out of 4 years as an armorer. They can take a little more. But don't get crazy and dump a shit ton more stress on the frame. It needs to last as long as it can.

Now if only they could do a major update/refresh on all those M16/M4's, that would be tits and would make a lot of enlisted very happy.

>>32724024
So you want to add more wear to the frame by making the locking block harder or what ever, but then say it needs to last as long as it can? Why not just have the $35 replaceable locking block be the wear part like it is and save the frame from unnecessary wear?

>>32724091
Perhaps I didn't say it the right way? Let me try again.

The frame is quite sturdy, to the point of being considered overbuilt. This is great for a service firearm as it has to last as long as it can to keep repair time down and operational time up.

This also means that quick and easily replaceable parts need to be weaker than the frame so the cheap stuff goes first while the not so cheap frame keeps going.

This, however, does not mean that the cheap stuff has to be "cheap" in the sense of poor but acceptable quality. (i.e roll pins/lockingblock/sights/grips)

Making those things a little harder to mess up and break, i.e. harder wearing, would increase up time while slightly increasing the possibility of a frame being damaged beyond repair. Ideally, this would be represented as, instead of say, 5 frames a year replaced, it would be 6, while the rest of the M9's would be up and ready to go.

This is all a moot point now, but it's nice to spitball ideas back and forth and see if they would actually be worthwhile to pursue.

I am now on the fence about the locking block. Testing would be required to either validate or invalidate the worthiness of the proposed change.

Anyone got a 92 and some spare cash?

>>32712115

Racking the slide is an annoyance because of the safety selector.

>>32712452
>>32712495
>Tfw locking block shatters at the last part of the 7m in USMC pistol qual.
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