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I carry a 638. I can hit with it and I carry it. That is the main thing. Of course there are "better" options but this is always with me.

>>32708417
I carry a 3" 686 Plus.

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It's a pretty good choice. .38 out of a snub is roughly the strength of a .380acp. There are advantages and weaknesses to the platform so it's all about what you think is a reasonable compromise. 5 rounds with a speedloader and defensive hollowpoints is generally adequate.
Those airweights tend to be popular with female shooters that are uncomfortable with using semi-autos because of the slides or recoil/grip. They are also reasonably priced.

>>32708417
It's plenty adequate with plus p, but the barrel is really limiting you to 9mm performance. Also, a pistol is a semi automatic handgun

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>>32708417
I bought one to carry, but I never did so I sold it.

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>>32708417
I carry a charter arms 38 under cover. Snubbies are glorious
Pic related its said wheel gat.

>>32708777
What load to you carry?

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>>32708417
I do, 649 is the way to go.

>>32708417
its an excellent choice OP. lots of pros for that setup

>>32708727
well a heavy stainless steel frame is a bit more questionable in the platform

>>32708668
my favorite aspect of snubs is the reliability and versatility of the revolving cylinder. you can shoot it from inside clothing, until a semi auto can do that, they will always have a niche

you can walk around at night with your hand on your revolver in your jacketpocket ready to go at a seconds notice.

>>32708417
What do you guys think of Rossi? I know their Brazilian, but all of the online reviews seem to be positive.

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I just started carrying now, picked up a Ruger LCR. Not in 357 though because I'm a limp wristed bitch, just 38.

I carry a S&W 360 j frame .357 mag. It is so light though I usually carry it with 38spl jhp. I've got a nicer iwb setup for my 9mm, but it is just easier to drop the 360 in my pocket.

>>32708880
haven't fingerfucked an LCR in years, but I thought it was a pretty fucking nifty .38 and given a couple of boxes on a rental, would probably grab a .38CT if the price was right.

my attitude might be biased by all the TV cop/private investigator shows I used to watch with my grandpa, but I love snubbies

>>32708859
>you can walk around at night with your hand on your revolver

Ahh, it's the stuff ND's are made of. Remember to get a carry holster OP.

>>32708876
Rossi owns Taurus. Revolvers are a thing where you generally get what you pay for, plan your budget accordingly. Ruger .38 LCR's were going for $350-400 last month and those are actually made well.

>>32708880
That's fine. 357 is useless in a barrel shorter than 6 inches anyway

>>32708880
I usually like buying 357 mags so you have the option of shooting 357 or 38s. The LCR is so light though I would just get the 38 too.

>>32708962
Any reasonably priced 38 specials that have an external hammer? Most of the snub noses I see are internal double action only. I shot my girlfriend's dad's revolver, and holy shit I am I'm love with revolvers and the single action option is awesome. I don't mind dishing out up to 500, but I figured I would ask just to see if they were legit.

Okay I have a dilemma.

I want the absolute max performance out of a round I can get.

That probably means 158g Semi Wadcutter HPs

Buffalo bore makes a hot as FUCK load of this,

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=108

But I'm afraid it would damage a New S&W 642.

Am I being autistic?

>>32709025
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-637

>>32708859
>well a heavy stainless steel frame is a bit more questionable in the platform
That wasn't the problem. I just couldn't part with my already DC

>>32708983
wrong 4 inches would be it. Granted I feel that 6 inches is a good general length for most non-carry revolvers.

>>32709059
Thanks

>>32709050
If you haven't bought the gun yet and you want to shoot hot rounds, just go ahead and get a 357.

>>32709144
I only have about 400 to play with, I'm a college student and I'm buying this gun without the knowledge of my family.

Who are also shooters but are being assholes about my guns because I'm in college.

I checked and yes people do run that load through 642s so I'm good.

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I carry a 438 in the pocket on the ankle. The only thing that bothers me about snubs is that it is nearly impossible to find a .38 round that will expand reliably out of a 1 7/8 barrel. Speer short barrel looks like the best but it is hard to find

>>32709240
I get around that by ordering all my ammo online, I don't know why everyone else doesn't.

>>32709025
http://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/handguns/windicator-weihrauch-112

I think all of Rossi's are external hammered and Taurus does shrouded hammers. EAA has one for $354, not bad.

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I carry a 642 either in my pocket or a 5.11 holster shirt with two speed strips. I feel adequately protected with it. Carrying Hornady Critical Defense for what it's worth.

>>32708417
I carry a 642 most out of all of my carry guns. They are light weight and have pretty good triggers.
Throw a clipdraw on it and you will have a gun you can carry 100% of the time.

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>>32709413
Ken?

>>32708727
I've got an SP101 with a 3" barrel. Great hiking gun and carry gun if you want a revolver. Wouldn't get the shorter barrel in that frame.

>>32708880
>>32708953
>>32708992
FWIW Ruger never intended to offer the gun in .357 because shooting .357 out of a snub is retarded. That said some people like the slightly heavier frame for .38s.

>>32709025
Ruger offers the LCRx which has a hammer. Otherwise >>32709059 or any used Smith you can find.

>>32709215
Yeah, I understand. I actually bought my 360 while I was a student. I needed something smaller than my M&P. Thankfully I had side jobs at the time so I had a little spending money.

The 642 is +P rated, but I would stay away from +P+ ammo. I just suggested the .357 since you seemed to be wanting to shoot rounds stronger than the standard 38s. Definitely understand if you have a student's budget. Good luck with your studies.
The short grips on the j frames are nice for pocket carry, but if you decide to carry iwb/own later you should try the larger Hogue grips that allow for a full grip.

>>32709516
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>>32708727
R u me?

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>>32708417
The 642/442 is more of a professional's backup gun than a main concealed-carry piece; however, it works well for concealed-carry, if you understand its limitations.

On the plus side, it's small, snag-proof and fool-proof. It's the kind of gun you can store or carry practically anywhere and just grab and pull the trigger when you need to use it. There's no messing with levers or buttons - just one trigger to pull and the gun goes bang. It also has an interesting asset as a defensive tool in that it malfunctions in different ways than a semi-auto does. If you are in a close-quarters battle, then the cycling of a semi-auto's slide might get caught on clothing or some other loose material; however, a revolver would never be susceptible to this. Likewise, you can easily fire multiple shots out of a revolver with the entire gun in your coat pocket, but that would likely cause jams with a semi-auto. Therefore, if your main carry is a semi-auto, it makes sense to carry a revolver for your backup.

On the negative side, it's low capacity, slow to reload, hard to aim and hard to shoot. Hence, it's really better suited to professionals who handle guns every day, and even then, not as a main carry piece. This is a true double action only revolver, meaning every single shot requires practiced trigger discipline and pulling the trigger straight back without disturbing the alignment of your sights through the pull. As for the sights, they are not much to speak of. There are no options for night sights aside from very limited custom runs and even then, I've never seen night rear sights on one of these. Given how hard they are to shoot, you are more likely to miss. And given that you might be missing so many of your shots, the low ammo capacity shouldn't give you much of a warm fuzzy feeling.

As for .38 special, yes, it's an adequate round for self-defense, and .38spl+P exists too, although you'll probably find that to be a little snappy out of these guns.

>>32709025
yes plenty. the reason nobody buys them is because its a snub nose, generally not great for target shooting. and hammers snag up your draw when concealed carrying

>>32709715
i see sp101s for sale all the time on the secondary market, and they always have either never been shot or just had a few rds through them

>>32709215
>>32708417

Something worth knowing: You can find the 642 and 442 in the "no internal lock" configuration. They go on sale (new) online for around $325-350 pretty regularly, sometimes even less, so check slickguns.com and you might find a deal. A good deal at a brick and mortar store is going to be anything sub-$400.

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Current carry gun. Even with the external hammer I've never had a problem with it snagging.

>>32710162
depends how you carry and what clothes i guess. pocket carry in jeans might be tough if they arent super baggy

i'll never really understand why someone wouldnt want to carry a hunting sufficient caliber unless it's like a very compact pistol
if it can drop a deer it can drop a person
if it can't drop a deer i doubt it's going to drop a person

>>32709413
/c/k/ here.
Consider sudoku

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>>32709240
There is a new contender coming out this year.

>>32708880
357 snub noses are a meme dude you made the right choice

>>32708417
I carry a S&W 637

A snubby is not at all a poor choice. Do make sure you practice quite a bit with it.
They are accurate, but require some skill to be accurate with.

>>32708777
I like it.

>>32710391
Always pocket carry this gun. Don't wear baggy jeans. It prints more with the larger grips I just put on (I will probably put the originals back on for now) but I can honestly say after carrying it almost every day for for over 4 years that snagging and printing are NOT a problem.

>>32709413
Your image belongs in the "most-/k/ pic" thread.

>>32713749
Why not wear baggy jeans if pocket carrying?

>>32713822
Because I don't like wearing really baggy pants. I don't wear tight straight legs, but I don't buy loose fit either. I'm 6'1" so that probably helps. Sometimes you can tell their is something in my pocket, but the shape of the gun isn't showing. It could be a wallet, phone, etc.

Why haven't any good 9mm snubbies even been made yet?
>All 9mm revolvers have a cylinder long enough for 38, increasing size and weight
>9mm LCR is innovative but too light to shoot comfortably
All I want is a solid steel 6 round 9mm with good sights.

>>32708727
eeeeyyyy sp101 brotha man. I don't carry it, keep it in the truck. Great pistol though.

>>32708417
Have you shot before/used to recoil?
I Have the 638, I like it But it kinda surpised me how much "pop" it had.

>>32713999
Yeah I've been shooting since 11 and never been recoil sensitive.

I have a ton of experience with guns and I own 6 but I'm a college fag and want one my family can't bitch about.

>>32708417

642 carrier here

38 snubs have been stopping bad guys for a 100 years.

Goes in my front pocket, so it works in shorts as well a a suit.

Pretty reliable, barring some crazy defect, and wont be stopped by a bad round or a limp grip.
Hold it upside down, and shoot 5 times, pulling the trigger with your pinky. Doubt any semi could do that as easily.

works great in coat pocket. You can shoot at assailant through the coat with reliable results, unlike a semi auto

No cases thrown about, which is more useful in court than harmful.

>>32708880

look in to the Hogue boot grip on Ruger's website.

Much smaller grip for concealment.

>>32709413

Disgusting Alfredo aside, are you me?

Literally have same gun, holster, and taste in canned food.

>>32714127
What load?

>>32708417
Good car/travel gun

I used to carry one in the glove box all the time. But now i have a gov job and am constantly removing my iwb and putting it in glovebox so i switched it out for my carry gun, a p64.

>>32708417

those DAO triggers do not work for me

>>32714251

They are not target guns, they are weak hand backup, point blank shoot the nigger right in front of you guns.

I guess no one has definitively answered this yet.


What is the best 2" barrel load for .38 Special?

>>32713935
>>All 9mm revolvers have a cylinder long enough for 38
That's a good thing. Since 9x19 ammo isn't usually crimped, it means that your gun won't seize up every time a bullet slightly jumps crimp when shooting.

>>32709050
Worry less about this and more about being able to put rounds on target.

When you can dump all your rounds into a playing card at 3yds almost as fast as you can pull the trigger, you don't worry about shit like that.

Airfreight hammerless. 38s are the perfect throw and go guns.

When you get tired of putting on and wearing an IWB holster (one week after getting your ccw, guaranteed) you'll see the appeal.

>>32714251
What >>32715195 said, they are contact to 7 yards guns, not putting up nice groups at 25.

>>32709484
fucking ken

>>32708417
>Who carries snub noses anymore?
I fucking do.
I suggest the S&W bodyguard, regular loads do just fine in mine

>>32708564
How does it feel when you carry it? I've been looking at one to buy when I turn 21 and they have always looked a little big for a carry revolver but those 7 rounds of .357 seem really nice

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>>32708880
What's up with that gold cylinder?

Looks boss.

>>32708417

I carry snubbies frequently. Pocket .38s are comfy af.

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>>32708417
Charter Arms .44 Bulldog, best snubnose pistol, .44 is a great snubnose round, hardly any velocity loss

For personal defense a revolver is the most reliable, got a dud round? no prop, pull the trigger again, much better than clearing your chamber with an automatic while staring down the barrel of Jamal's glock nine

>>32715260
What does a crimp do, and how does a bullet jump crimp?

>>32715507
A crimp holds the bullet in place relative to the casing. Under severe enough recoil, or due to repeated chambering/unchambering/fuckery, the bullet can work itself out of the crimp in the casing that holds it in place. If the bullet slides into the casing, this can cause dangerous chamber overpressure conditions. If it slides out of the casing, well, your bullet fell off the casing. Either that, or it'll cause severe malfunctions when the weapon tries to feed and chamber a cartridge that has managed to exceed its overall length specification.

https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/teaching-the-snub-nose-revolver/

>>32716019
Thanks.

>>32715399
they started making limited runs of the .38 specials with copper finished cylinders. They're the cheapest new ones on the market.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/929977/buffalo-bore-ammunition-38-special-150-grain-lead-wadcutter-box-of-20

>>32715411
Try these loads in your .44 Bulldog, just be aware of what's beyond your target.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/513688/buffalo-bore-ammunition-44-special-200-grain-hard-cast-lead-wadcutter-anti-personnel-box-of-20

>>32715195
>>32715320

Umm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tied-t1fFsk

>>32716560
Is using wadcutters for defense a bad thing?

They seem to perform exactly like FMJ

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/snub/

>>32708846
Second. A shielded hammer just seems like a better idea

>>32715255
The 135 grain Gold Dot was developed specifically for use in snubs at the behest of the NYPD. It meets the FBI penetration standards and has good performance even through heavy clothing. The 110 grain Critical Defense is also pretty good if you want a similarly performing round with lighter recoil.

Alternatively, the old FBI load: 158 grain +P LSWCHP. It won't expand consistently if it's going through 4 layers of denim, but it will achieve 14-16 inches of penetration every time and is cheaper per round than the previous two loads.

>>32715395
Personally, the fatter cylinder doesn't impede comfort for me in any way.

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my dads got this .357 magnum in Scandium. light as fuck, but try shooting .357 magnum out of it and you'll instantly regret it

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>>32715507
When loading a cartridge, the crimp keeps a seated bullet more securely in place. It is standard practice to crimp revolver calibers, but not standard practice on semi-auto calibers.

Due to the recoil of revolvers being significantly more than on semi-autos, a side-effect of normal shooting is that all the other bullets in the cylinder experience a strong jolt backwards with the recoil. Due to the inertia of the heavy lead bullets at rest, they can sometimes can "jump crimp," and creep forward out of the front of the cylinder. This locks up the cylinder and totally disables your gun.

Contrary to what >>32715596 would like to believe, crimp jump IS a major issue for 9mm revolvers for this reason. And NO, there doesn't need to be "repeated fuckery" involved to experience the issue. I have personally experienced crimp jump while shooting a Ruger SP101 in .357 magnum, and that's only a medium-recoiling revolver. And no, the bullet won't "just fall out."

That said, it's a fortunate thing that semi-auto caliber revolvers do have the extended cylinders for when crimp jump inevitably happens, your gun is less likely to disable itself.

With normal revolver calibers, you can experience a bullet jumping crimp at any time, but it's much less likely than it is with semi-auto calibers. The issue can certainly be exacerbated with strong-recoiling guns, such as lightweight guns chambered in magnum calibers.

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>>32717475
Meant to post with this picture.

>>32708805
Speer gold dot short barrel 38. Preforms well with everything i have tried.

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>>32717475
Much appreciated, thanks. Does make me wonder though, why don't they make 9mm revolvers with the gap between the back of the cylinder and the frame as small as possible? This LCR has 1 mm+ of crimp jumping space from the looks of it, when I imagine it could have almost none.

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>>32717988

the skyhawk 9mm is sex but it's $$$$

>>32717988
1mm is not cringe inducing. Its normal to have a gap. Plus might have something to do with the moon clips.

>>32717988
probably so they can get the cartridge to extract, it's a rimless

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>>32708417

I carry a 638 with hand-loaded 158 grain XTPs. With a decent pocket holster it's very comfortable to pocket carry and my hand loads out of the short barrel expand reliably in 10% ballistic gel.