Is this the final nail in the coffin?

If over $500, yes.

If under, no.

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Handled one today.

>>32685117

You say that as if it's possible for a brand name like Colt to somehow die.
The name will always be worth money to investors.
Generally because the company is mainly used as a giant embezzlement scheme.

>>32685140
How'd you like it? A couple youtubers said it has a false reset.

>>32685140
>.38 special
> SEVEN FUCKING HUNDRED DOLLARYDOOS
Holy shit you can buy a medium end .44 magnum for that much, what are they thinking?

>>32685140
>MSRP: $700

Not bad, but those pictures make it look like it has an ugly matte finish.

>>32685117
>>32685140
Looks like a low tier Smith and Wesson. Colt is such garbage now sadly.

>>32685153
It's going to fill the same market as it did when it first came out, a six shot carry in a five shot market. Thing is, there's far more competition now.

I wasn't blown away, but wasn't won over.

>>32685149
/thread

Colt and Remington will just be stay alive no matter how incompetent the management is or how much further their QC will decline, they're household names that will always attract investors and buyers who don't know better, and the fudds, don't forget the fudds.

>>32685117
I will never understand the firearms industry

>>32685170
Oh shit I assumed it was a .357. I didn't even see it was a .38 only.

Dropped. I like .38s but you can't get away with charging someone thar kind of money for a .38 carry gun.

>>32685170
>matte finish
>ugly
But a matte light grey finish like you see on some of those TOPS knives would look great on this gun...?

>>32685169
They could sell Colt brand dog turds and people would still buy it for MUH PONY.

Thank God Colt is dying. They are everything wrong with the firearms industry.

>Sell the same shit over and over
>Utterly mediocre products. Not exceptionally good, not exceptionally bad.
>No innovation
>Charge far more then something is worth based on brand name alone
>Limited production runs out the ass
>When they finally do release a new product, it's just a reimagined old product in a format nobody asked for.

>>32685153
S&W and Ruger revolvers also have a "false reset" if you short stroke the trigger, with different results (S&W skips over a chamber, Ruger just locks up until you let the trigger reset). Your YouTube experts felt the mechanism clicking and pulled again before it had actually reset, probably because they're used to semi-auto pistols and don't shoot revolvers much. It's a training issue, not a gun problem.

>>32685140
What's with that finish, is it made out of aliminium?

>>32685208
something about that color just feels like the optical version of nails on a chalk board to me
it looks like a charter

>>32685259

Yeah, what he said...

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>>32685315
I get what you mean. It doesn't exactly have the prestige of brushed stainless. Still, I'm a big fan of matte grey coloration on guns.

>>32685253
I'm still amazed by their stupid fuck retro AR line
>guise lets build retro ARs that are authentic as fuck
>but we're gonna charge $1800+
>and make them limited run
>and rather than make them all the popular models we're gonna do every model, even the ones no one gives a fuck about
Literal retards

>>32685117
It pisses me off when the autists on this board want to see Colt fail. Sure they need fucking serious business/marker guidance, but I love Colt. They're a huge part of our history and have made some of the nicest/prettiest weapon platforms this country has ever known. Quit being sperglords hoping for Colt's failure

>>32685513
That's the thing. I got an M16A1 clone a while ago for a thousand bucks. Colt is so out of touch with reality that they think people are willing to shell out almost double what the rifle is worth just to have the word Colt on the side of their lower.

I bet you if Colt would make an absolute killing if they just sold AR lowers at a somewhat reasonable price. I bet they would sell like hotcakes if they were just ten or twenty dollars more than typical lowers, and purists would love the rollmarks.

>>32685623
KAC and HK could do the same damn thing, but they don't. I think all of these companies think more highly of themselves because they had the big contracts 20 or 30 years ago, and now they think civilians will shell out for the name, when that is clearly not the case.

>>32685528
>not wanting a shit tier company to fail

Who gives a fuck they were good 40 years ago when they're shit now? I want shit companies with shit business practices to die, maybe the rest will learn from it. Not like colt is going to fail either way seeing as they think they can get away with their overpriced trash, someone's clearly buying it.

>>32685180
>I wasn't blown away, but wasn't won over.

What did he mean by this? Is it boof pedo code?

>>32685528
Never said I wanted colt to fail. I'm just tired of them resting on their laurels and trying to sell mediocre stuff at a premuim just because of a rollmark. You need to take a good look in the mirror before you call someone else a sperg.

>>32685384
Matte grey polymer looks cool.

Matte grey metal looks like pot metal.

>>32685667
They aren't "shit tier", they obviously just have shitty leadership/poor marketing ability. Quit acting pompous, like your company is pumping out groundbreaking designs for crack prices.

>>32685700
>Being a colt fanboy after all the shit they've done

Pathetic nerd

Go buy a smart gun nerd

>>32685653
>>32685623
It just shows how out of touch with reality their management is. They just push nonsense products that sell mediocrely when they could be pushing stuff that makes sense like AR lowers. They act like the market is the same as what it was 2 decades ago. The age of buying a gun and doing nothing to it but maybe mounting a scope or a grip is gone, people want to build their own ARs from scratch to get their moneys worth. Its really pathetic that clearly whoever is in charge of their business decisions are clearly some old fudds who don't have any understanding of the current market.

>>32685714
>Colt Smart gun
What fucking year are you referring 1998? Eat a dick kid, quit being edgy and rallying against Colt. I'm a Glock fanboy BTW, and I do wish Colt would reinvent themselves completely, but I don't want them to crash and burn like some of the spaghetti autists on /k/

>>32685700
>my company

The thing is I'm not a corporate shill and am not emotionally attached to a bunch of suits in an office who wouldn't give a fuck if I died tomorrow. Colt is nothing more than a name on a piece of plastic or aluminum. I don't want them to be be retarded and make bad business decisions, but I certainly don't have a problem taking my business elsewhere.

>>32685766
What are they too big to fail? Loads of old companies have passed.

Fuck colt if they can't make it then they can't make it.

>>32685778
>Colt is nothing more than a name
No. It is a piece of our heritage as Muricans. I want to see them unfuck their shit, not fail. Obviously I know you don't have a fun company, I'm just bulljiving

>>32685700
>like your company is pumping out groundbreaking designs for crack prices.

>VCS
>consistently ahead of schedule and under budget
Yeahhhhhh... About that

>>32685800
>Fuck Colt if they can't make it they can't make it
That's the fucked up shit I'm talking about. I don't wanna see them washed out of the market. I want them to unfuck their shit. *Tips fedora*

>>32685824
Why?

>>32685829
Already stated, they're part of our history/culture as Americans. Not a hard concept to understand.

>>32685847
Good fucking goy

I bet you're glad tax payers bailed out the fat auto industry too. After all it's a part of our culture right? Who needs new companies or competition? The same old shit over and over is the way to go!

I did too, I thought the trigger was rather nice. Also why are there so many fucking japs and Asians here?

>>32685894
The fuck does this have to do with the auto industry faggot? Take your lib tier logic to Leddit. I already stated I wish they'd reinvent themselves, but I'm not some edgy faggot who wants them to wash out of the market. Eat a dick

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>lololol gibbe $2500 for this actual parts kit we assembled
Fuck Colt.

>>32685346
ditto

>>32685623
They probably think people are willing to pay for it since the other major military manufacturer (besides KAC) was stag and they are gone now.
In terms of quality, milspec or some random manufacturer, I'd go with milspec. there is a qc floor where the quality might not meet the ceiling, but it's not going to be under the floor boards in the dirt either
But I'm also a colt/fn fanboy so there is that

>>32685914
Because you idiot they're both major bloated corporations that your stupid goy ass is defending like they're paying you

Fucking moron

>>32685919
>MIM lot code on the outside of the bolt catch

what the fuck?

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>>32685700

>>32685952
I'm not defending Colt, im attacking you edgelords. I already stated a million times I wished they reinvent/change leadership. I don't want them to fail because they've been part of America forever
>>32685919
Fuck off fat neckbeard Ian, or I'll shove a trainset up your arse

>>32685914
>hurr durr

>>32685140
>$700

Give me one reason why I should buy a S&W or Ruger for $450?

Or even a Charter or Taurus for 300-350?

>>32685999
Yah that's right back down, and waste those fuckin trips

>>32686022
If you love Colt so much why don't you buy their overpriced revolver and gloat then?

>>32685117
Hopefully

>>32686040
I will and I'll shove it up your ass too.

>>32686018
What kind of poorfag do you have to be to NOT buy the pony logo on the side? I mean, don't you know Colt means QUALITY?

>Begin selling AR lowers
>Offer 3 standard rifles: M16A2 clones, M16A4 clones, and M4A1 clones with M16A1 clones made on limited runs
>None of these rifles should break $1000 max. These are not collectors items, they are meant to be used. They already have the machining. They have the engineers. They have no excuses as to why they can't pull a solid profit margin with an MSRP of a grand or less
>Start selling gucci ARs with all the modern trimmings. Charge $1250+ for them. Market them as Colts long-gun equivalent to S&W Performance Center.
>Make 1911s again in .45 and 10mm. Actually make them in appreciable numbers so you don't have to charge retarded prices to pull a decent profit margin.
>Re-launch the snake revolvers. Market them as competition and collectors items and price them accordingly.
>Limited runs of Colt SAA. Market as collectors item and price accordingly.
>Avoid the carry gun market. It's oversaturated as hell.
>Consider R&D for a pump action shotgun line. Remington is shit and Mossberg rattles. There might be a demand for a well machined, solidly built shotgun in the $500 range to compete with the M590.

There. I fixed Colt.

>>32685117
They're making DA revolvers again? Holy shit

People have been wanting this for years

>>32686080
Read through the thread anon and you will be dissapoint. Just bring some extra zip lock bags so you can clean thru all the spilled sghetti

>>32686074
They really need the M16 clone line, after their giant fuckup where they lost their military contract they should fire up the tooling they already have.

>>32686123
Agreed. Make Sp1s Great Again

>>32686074
Now all you have to do is be majority shareholder

>>32686073
Colt means LAZY and STAGNATION now.

>>32686123
>their giant fuckup where they lost their military contract
So who is supplying ARs to the military now?

>>32686163
FN

>>32686163
FN has been for awhile now.

>>32686112
well obviously it's not a Python and it might be overpriced

but still, I'm surprised

>>32686192
I think they're on the right path exploring markets they've been out of. They do need serious new leadership

>>32685802
I have to agree. It would be really great if they cleaned house and gutted the company of all the fucks who are out of touch with the current market. One can only dream.

>>32685894
Yeah, after our government handled unions(UAW) fucked it raw, right? You don't know shit.

>>32685117
>tfw want one extremely badly
>no other 6 round snubbie on the market other than charter arms and taurus
>will get one anyways for Colt Quality™

>>32686292
Give it time. If Trump can win president and unseat the progressive agenda, anything can happen. I have a feeling alot of the higher ups at Colt have been there ALONG time and are very out of touch with the current shooting culture that is ovwrhwelmingly populated with younger shooters now

>>32686318
> If Trump can win president and unseat the progressive agenda, anything can happen.

he's already done the former, but the latter that remains to be seen

>>32685513
>I'm still amazed by their stupid fuck retro AR line
have you been in an /ARG/ thread? faggots love retro shit.

>but we're gonna charge $1800+
how serious about having a retro AR are you?

>>32686305
>Hurr we said we'd pay it back not how much we'd pay back lol

Corporate cock sucker fuck off

Don't expect me to defend forced labor unions either

>>32685528
Shut the fuck up nigger.

Fuck colt

>>32686074
9/10

>>32686375
Fuck off spergmaster

>>32686375
>Fuck colt
poorfag is poor

>>32685117
>be me
>see all the new stuff from Colt and others at shot show
>0 fucks given to all

I actually feel good that I can spend my efforts and money on adding to my vintage colt AR collection w/o feeling bad to spend it on something new produced.

>>32686074
You do know that the slide on a mossman rattles for a reason, right?

>>32686473
Yes I do.

You know that not everyone likes that right?

>>32686364
>Hurr I have no idea why GM, Ford, and Dodge made shit cars for almost 30 years and allowed the Japs to take half the market

Kill yourself.

>Don't expect me to defend forced labor unions either

Nice elementary level reading comprehension,

>>32686497
>No argument

How does it feel to be this buttmad you little corpsucker swine? You're so uneducated you don't even know the payback I'm referencing.

>>32686518
I do "know the payback" you're referencing. It was directly related to the unions that were making it nearly impossible for the domestic manufacturers to make a profit. As a response, the manufacturers hired bean counters and made shit cars for years which allowed foreign manufacturers to take a massive quantity of market share. Then the federal government came back to save the day! Please stop arguing over the internet about shit you know nothing about.

>>32686865
>Thinks he knows what I'm talking about
>Actually doesn't

Nevermind it's completely okay GM paid back pennies of the bailout money the tax payers got extorted to keep their fatasses afloat while they make cars that kill people

Completely ok

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>>32685700
>Quit acting pompous, like your company is pumping out groundbreaking designs for crack prices.

Ruger here. LMAOing @ you horse niggers right now.

>>32687001
I'll agree that the taxpayer did get fucked and we're still owed money. Now don't get me started on Lockheed Martin.

>>32685992

>misplaced sentimentality

Can we at least agree that Colt still makes a half decent product?

Overpriced, yes, but they haven't fallen as far as Remington. I'm not going to mock anyone for owning a Colt, especially if they managed to snag one for a deal.

>>32686363
Building one from NDS to spec for $800. That's including Go/No Gos, vise block, cerakoat, and other misc. tools.

>>32685513
>colt charges 2K for their retro AR's
>limited production
>Troy following the success of their XM177s announces their A1 repros
>Colt reps taken to hospital after suffering severe rectal trauma from all that butthurt.

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>>32685140
>$699

Might as well get something that can shoot .357 magnum.

>>32687278
Agreed

>>32687343
$800????

I am gonna need a parts breakdown.

>>32687278
Their quality has always been just fine. I'd trust my life on their ARs or 1911s any day to be honest. They're just beating the dead horse with the same products at prices that are outmatched by most manufacturers.

>>32685117
Wish ruger would drop the 357 lcrx

>>32687417
>Paying retail
Who does this besides SCAR owners?

>>32686305
You forgot to mention executives with $75000 a month pensions and multimillion dollar bonuses.

>>32688578
Spitballing off the top of my head
GM 20" barrel 1:12 $180
NDS Upper & Lower $310
DPMS misc parts to finish gun $150
A1 furniture $30
Transfer fee $15
The only thing they jewed me on was a disassembled rear sight and that bitch was like $20 from some company in Florida.
Will update in ARG but the NDS receivers haven't even been made yet. Called them a few days ago because they said they'd be ready in January when I placed my order in September. They said they were only just getting to Aprils orders of last year when I called. Eh, guess I can wait. Kinda butthurt they said they'd be ready in January though.

>>32685169
What does it being chambered in .38 special have to do with anything?

>>32685140
>making a 700$ .38 special
>even though there are better and cheaper .38s on the market for a fraction of the cost

Colt needs to stop with this bullshit and bring the snake series back. If they want to make overpriced revolvers, they might as well make the Python and Anaconda again. Colt would make a shit load of money, but i guess they are afraid of repeating past successes... or something...

Dang, it looks like a Taurus with hogue grips. Even has the same orange safety disc in the cylinder.

>>32690385
Its not that they're bullshitting, its that they are so out of touch with the current civilian market, they're pretty much left waaaaaay behind and have no idea what they're doing.

>>32685153
That's not a problem, it's a feature.

>>32686363
I'm pretty certain for the price of the Colt A1 you could buy the trigger charging handle upper/lower set from Nodak, have John Thomas build you a full set of mottled brown prototype furniture with a prototype FSB and have proper Armalite rollmarks done up on the side.

Colt dropped the ball right onto their nuts.

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>>32685117
It will be their third coffin in a row then

>>32686307
Kimber has one now, it's only $100 more than the Colt™
or you can go Ruger and get a 6 shot 327 for $450

>>32690149
I was trying to price out parts a few weeks back and I was up near $800 and compromising using a2 uppers and lower and shit. Probably because I was adding $20 to the cost of everything so I wouldn't get surprised by costs.

How are you gonna get that GM barrel drilled for the FSB?
Where did you find a $30 set of a1 furniture? Cheapest I can find online is $50.

>>32691301
My god that thing is ugly.

How could a company with so much history, so much capital, and so many resources at it disposal fuck up so badly?

I know people say its due to bad management but holy fucking shit how stupid do you have to be?

This overpriced little revolver that is outshined by all of its cheaper competition is not going to save Colts civilian manufacturing.

>>32692475
to be fair, most early 90s pistols were ugly. I think the USP was the only aesthetic thing designed back then.

>>32685170
you guys realize it will actually sell for between $500-$550

>>32685117
>but muh pony

>>32690255
Cause it can't shoot .357 mags, whereas a gun chambered in .357 can shoot .38 special.

>>32686307
What about the kimber k6?

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>>32692568
>Anything Colt
>Selling below MSRP

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>>32692861
This. Anon beat me too it. Image related, Specifications related.

Specifications
Product #: 3400002
Height (inches): 4.46
Weight (ounces) with empty cylinder: 23
Length (inches): 6.62
Width (inches): 1.39
Cylinder capacity: 6
Action: DAO
Frame
Material: Stainless steel
Finish: Smooth satin
Serrated backstrap
Barrel
Length (inches): 2
Material: Stainless steel
Finish: Smooth satin
Sights
Black serrated
Radius (inches): 4.1
Grips
Material: Gray rubber
Kimber logo
Trigger
Non-stacking
Factory setting (approx. pounds) – 9.5-10.5

>>32685117
>>32692604
>Colt gets saved by MLP fans

>>32691868
Barrel drilled by a guy I know who does gunsmithing for the local PD, I'm paying him with a gun and I got service grade furniture, 3 or so years ago for that price. Didn't even think I was going to build one and I saw an ad in J&G or something and said "fuck, why not?"

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>>32692992

>>32686074
>>Begin selling AR lowers
Agreed
>>Offer 3 standard rifles: M16A2 clones, M16A4 clones, and M4A1 clones with M16A1 clones made on limited runs
>>None of these rifles should break $1000 max. These are not collectors items, they are meant to be used. They already have the machining. They have the engineers. They have no excuses as to why they can't pull a solid profit margin with an MSRP of a grand or less
Correct
>>Start selling gucci ARs with all the modern trimmings. Charge $1250+ for them. Market them as Colts long-gun equivalent to S&W Performance Center.
They already do this
>>Make 1911s again in .45 and 10mm. Actually make them in appreciable numbers so you don't have to charge retarded prices to pull a decent profit margin.
You can get a new colt 1911 for like 700 bucks. Thats entry level pricing.
>>Re-launch the snake revolvers. Market them as competition and collectors items and price them accordingly.
They already do this
>>Limited runs of Colt SAA. Market as collectors item and price accordingly.
They already do this.
>>Avoid the carry gun market. It's oversaturated as hell.
Agreed
>>Consider R&D for a pump action shotgun line. Remington is shit and Mossberg rattles. There might be a demand for a well machined, solidly built shotgun in the $500 range to compete with the M590.
No one would buy this.
>There. I fixed Colt.
Not really.

>>32686074
This this this.. Except for shotguns imo

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>>32691323
>>32692969
>MSRP: $899

>mfw Kimber is selling a revolver that costs more than a new Colt

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Anyone know if colt finished the latest production of 20" ar15a4s? I bought one from riflegear around new years but they oversold them and I got backordered. I want one of them, but don't want to stay on a backorder till next year.

>>32685253
>Thank God Colt is dying.

You know people have been saying that for decades

>>32685117

if they produces m16a2s with a heatshield and a dummy-mock M203 that was a discreet 37mm flare launcher they'd get a buy from me

>>32693555
>Re-launch the snake revolvers. Market them as competition and collectors items and price them accordingly.
>They already do this

Ok, show me.
Show me where this reluanch of snake revolvers is.
Im very much interested to buy a new Python.

>>32695841
see>>32685117

>>32695841
It's literally in the OP......

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>>32695809


goodness

>>32695855
>>32695859
>a .38 special CC piece is a relaunch of a series of revolvers in a series of calibers with varying barrel lengths

Yeah.... thats hardly a "relaunch" of the snake series

>>32695892
Its a start, did you expect them to start making everything at once?

>>32695916
...yes. A bunch of companies at shot are showing off dozens of new products.

>>32685528
Fuck them. It's just a name and has no management continuity to the dead men who designed the classics. If they fail maybe Taurus will buy them out.

>>32690255

Because for that much money you can buy one of several other revolvers in .357, and the only thing this has over them is being a Colt. Now if colt had been making badass revolvers up until now and developed a reputation of being worth it, that might mean something, but they haven't made revolvers in awhile and this thing is new and unproven, and colts general reputation has slipped in the meantime

>>32686180
>>32686178
Holy shit really? I know we had 240s and 249s but the m4s themselves are fn too?

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>>32685140

Why the fuck wouldn't they at least make it so it can handle .357?

I mean I like .38 special; but if you're not making a conceal carry snubnose what's the point in not adding the bulk so it can handle magnum?

Come on Colt, get your shit together.

>>32696656
It is for cc noob

>>32696765
Lcrx kicks this pistols ass for nearly half the cash.

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>>32696765

Oh yeah? Well I had sex with your wife.

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>>32685688
pot metal looks cool though

>>32685149
>>32685181
>I have no idea about the business history in America

>>32696842

I mean Colt could go bankrupt; but if they another company would almost certainly buy the rights to the brand name and continue making their guns.

The brand name itself has a lot of value even if Colt is doing jack shit with it.

>>32692568

of course they don't they've never bought a gun

>>32690149
What profile do they call the old XM16 style 20" barrel?

Pencil?

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>it's a .38 SPL

>>32697748
nevermind, found one.

http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/gm-m15-m16-a1-5-56mm-20-1-12-twist-20-barrel/

looks like it has M16 feed ramps though, that's a bit of an issue.

>>32685149
Kodak is kill, anon. Any brand can die. Mismanagement will eventually kill Colt for the last time.

>>32695931
Successful companies with many factories, established models, and financial backers that will only be releasing three of the dozen prototypes in their booths over the next two years. Colt can only unfuck the company one production line at a time.

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>>32685669
You literally only posted so you could call him a pedo. No one is so stupid that they couldn't understand exactly what he meant.

>>32695515
To be fair, it's .357 mag, not .38 special.

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>>32685979

>>32686473
Old post i know, but can anyone tell me what the reason is? Google brought me nothing but ways to fix it

>>32689793
see >>32692882

>>32696774
How so
>>32696802
:^)

>>32700855

Lighter

Cheaper

Probably as good or better trigger

More concealable

>>32700864
I could use that same arguement vs a g19 or a 1911, doesn't make it true.

>>32700864

Doesn't the LCRX only hold 5 shots?

>>32700869
For carry it would be true. You can still choose the 1911 but doesn't mean those aren't true. Trigger would be worse on a Glock though

>>32700908
Indeed. One minor point to colts favor I guess but to me the lcr form factor makes up for it.

>>32700813
Seconding this request

>>32700911
Some people aren't pussy niggas and can carry a bigger gun comfortably tho

>>32700942
you want to dress 2 sizes too big to conceal your 10mm Glock?

The best gun is the gun you can have all the time regardless of wardrobe.

>>32700949
You can carry a 1911 in skinny jeans tho

>>32700952
No. You can't. Not even with AIWB.

>>32700961
Yes you can lol, dont make me get my fat ass in front of a mirror

>>32700963
Youre fat no wonder you can. I can put on skinny jeans and I have a two 1911s (ones a .22 )

It will not conceal

>>32700973
All gun owners are fat rednecks, anon. Don't you watch CNN?

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>>32700963
You aren't as wrong as I originally thought. Maybe if it wasn't for the long ass grip this would be possible with slightly looser jeans MAYBE but actually I'm thinking a holster would put It over the edge

With AIWB the grip still pokes too far out to the right for me to conceal and again. Worse if I had a holster.

Don't have a holster for this tho.

>>32685140
Were they stacked to the roof?

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>>32701061
Carry 1 oclock makes it easier to hide. also nice gun