Shot show

I haven't seen anything cool yet.

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Maxim-9
>Delayed-blow back
>Fixed barrel
>Robocop aesthetics
>Glock magazines
>RMR cut

Not to mention this crazy fucking thing Kel-Tec is going to "make".
>KSG with 25 shot capacity
>Suppressor similar to Salvo-12

>>32684767
Whoops, meant to put the suppressor bit under the Maxim.

I didn't even know Shotshow was going on. I'd pay more attention if I had higher expectations from the gun industry. It seems like everything I've ever seen at Shotshow is either unobtanium vaporware or yet another "revolutionary" AR and/or striker fired polymer framed pistol.

>>32684767
>Not to mention this crazy fucking thing Kel-Tec is going to "make".
>>KSG with 25 shot capacity
>>Suppressor similar to Salvo-12

Already a pain and takes too long compared to normal shotgun to load my KSG....25 shot capacity.
That must take forever.

Would be fun for turning heads at the range though....

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There's only a few things I've seen worth a shit

>Maxim 9
>Hudson H9
>Everything Brittingham is putting out over at Q LLC

Everything else seems to be the same old garbage.

>>32684767
>googles pic of Maxim
>looks like Lawgiver and Auto-9 fucked and made a baby

I want it

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>>32687291
You probably should have attached the picture.

https://youtu.be/KwzDZabcEc0

I thought the Kalashnikov Concern representative walking around was.....interesting.

Not the fake AK usa faggots either, this was a guy from the real concern, anyone have a photo of him, I was afraid to ask him.

>>32687391

oh baby

Ian and Karl have put out a couple fun videos so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDAqq9gaUQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmC3NlfUd-U

>>32684841
Sick of that shit too, Only thing Im excited for is Mossberg coming out with a Serbu Shorty .

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I wish it didnt have the fiber optic

>>32687503
Not very fun on the range (unless you're a weirdo)
Not a practical self defense option in a post-compact world
What's the point?

>>32687503
I wish it didn't have the shitty matte finish.

I wish it wasn't 700 dollars.

>>32687503
Supposedly one of the ones on the range was having trigger reset issues

>>32684672
I wonder if BOOF has tried to seek out Ian yet, cause he said he was interested in having Ian do a review of some of the stuff in his collection.

>New AR
>Vaporware
>Striker Fired Polymer handgun
>New AR
>Vaporware
>Striker Fired Polymer handgun
>New AR
>Vaporware
>Striker Fired Polymer handgun
>New AR
>Vaporeware
>Striker Fired Polymer handgun
and 5-6 interesting things, out side of that
>New AR
>Vaporware
>Striker Fired Polymer handgun

I want a maxim 9 bad

>>32684672
Shot show?
More like Shit show!

What's the stupidest thing so far?
Stupid applies to both entirely useless as well as unsafe.

>>32687755

Have you seen FullConceal yet?

>>32687755
So pretty much everything IO and Century?

>>32687466
>>32687453

The second video led me to opsol mini-clip, probably best thing so far. Already sold out ofc.

>>32687453
>>32687466
That's pretty neat. I always wanted one of those. Ian is sort of a dick tho lol.

>>32687453
that minishell adapter piques my interest

>>32687782
I just looked at it after seeing your post.
Seems like you've answered my question. Useless and also unsafe (One of the variants removes the trigger guard)

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>Colt M16A1 reproduction
>MSRP: $2500
FUCK OFF COLT

Only things that interest me
>Trijicon HD RX
>Surefire XC2

>>32687453
Lol, Ian unloading full autism on that lady. I would expect nothing less.

He is basically calling her out for her sales tactics though. Saying that you don't need to aim a gun like that is bullshit. Its long enough and doesn't have enough of a spread that you can make that claim.

I think some people do let these sales folks run over them in their interviews and basically give them an ad instead of engaging them about their product. Stopping buy and listening to their spiel then leaving isn't really worth much when I can get the same from their website.

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>>32688039
>MFW
It's beautiful but that price is horseshit

>>32684672

I'm really excited about the Maxim 9 after watching Ian and Karl fondle and talk over it, and now I have quite a bit of enthusiasm for the Hudson. Here's to hoping they're competent enough to actually bring them to market and not just keltec the fuck out of two seemingly neat designs.

I saw that DD is going to start selling their ar10 with an 18" barrel, which is kind of neat but ultimately pointless because they chose to price the DD5 into SCAR and LMT MWS territory.

>>32688039

>go back in time
>undo all of the improvements made to a rifle over decades of service
>charge $2500 for it

What the shit seriously?

Oh goody. Walther made a Hi-point.

So is there something actually innovative that normal people can get or is it just yet another wave of ARs?

>>32688180
>Introducing the COLT BROWN BESS RE-ISSUE only $5,000!

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Some asshole got toothpaste all over the grip

The new fals
https://youtu.be/pDy_HWGR9iE

>>32688134
>I'm really excited about the Maxim 9 after watching Ian and Karl fondle and talk over it

Just watched the video and yeah, I have that same feeling now. I was afraid the gun itself wasn't going to be that great, and I wasn't aware of its design mechanics. After hearing it was a fixed barrel delayed blowback that took Glock mags, I was a lot more enthusiastic. Watching it be shot was pretty cool too, because it really does suppress the sound so much I'm pretty sure I was hearing the action of the pistol.

Its even better it has the removable baffles so you can use long or short, and that long takes +p+ and is still hearing safe. That's exciting.

>>32688216
Maxim 9 and that Hudson pistol are within normal person reach, assuming you aren't below median income

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>>32688265
>suppressed
>tfw Canadian
I will never be able to go full Psycho-Pass

>>32688039
I was saying to myself the other day that I'm surprised colt doesn't go back and start producing ARs in the a1 and a2 format again. People would buy them. This is sad though.

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>>32687594
Contact has been made. Wait warmly.

Also, Sig made a 320 X-five with RMR plate and vastly improved trigger.

Also the 210's are back baby.

>>32684672
So far:
Remington and CZ are releasing polymer striker fired guns
Colt is shit
Glock will come out with a ton more MOS models, as well as the no finger groove gen 4.1 as ordered by FBI
DSA has some new FAL furniture and FAL's available
IWI is releasing it's DAN .338LM, as used by the IDF, someone else is releasing a custom trigger for the Galil ACE. 5.56 Galil ACE is shipping. Lets hope someone comes out with an easy way to unfuck them back to an ARM clone

Every bolt gun maker is coming out with a sub $1500 dollar chassis gun to compete with the Ruger Precision Rifle, unfortunately I don't see any in .300WM or similar, yet

Mossberg is coming out with like 2 shotguns that skirt the NFA, technically non-firearms

M&P 2.0!

Caracal is coming out with updated US made pistols. BUBITZ!

>>32688362
I don't know if I like that trigger or not, it looks laser-gun-ish.

>>32688450
I always thought flat triggers had their place on rifles. I'd rather my finger stays firm on the trigger, not sliding down it on a pistol

>>32688039
Colt is garbage and has been for the better part of 2 decades

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This AK/FAL/SIG mutant was fucking cool.

Can be configured to shoot pretty much any AR-15/AR-10/AK round.

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>>32688039
>$2500 for a repro
>real SP1s run for $1500
Better hit GB now /k/ommandos before the prices go up

Literally no reason for this to cost this much... fucking century used colt uppers on a new lower...$600.00

>Then they wonder why colt is floating belly up all the fucking time

>>32687782
>FullConceal

wow, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>32688506
What hot heresy is this?

>>32688519
But anon this is a REAL COLT lower. Don't you think it's worth spending the extra grand for a REAL COLT rollstamp on a REAL MADE BY COLT HERE IN THE USA lower?

>>32688039
neat but for 2500 they can shove it. People assemble these style guns as budget kits because the parts are so cheap and generic nowadays

>>32687603
You forgot overpriced Pony revolver in 38 special

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>>32688039
>$2500
>can literally build your own with a nodak spud receiver for much cheaper
i really wish the retarded faggot who gave colt another gov't contract would get fired and sent to gitmo

>>32688645
Seconded, fuck Colt. I remember Colt owners sneering at non colt AR and 1911 owners back in the day. In the past 15 years they've gone to utter shit.
>Hurr durr buy a colt

>>32688686
When did Colt snag another govt contract? Is it for ARs?

>>32688674
FFS Taurus has a sub 200 dollar .38 that's actually pretty decent for a hue wheel gun

>>32687852
>>32687886
Now imagine that in the new KSG. Shit would be like 40 mini shells

>>32688688
True, but I still want a series 70

>>32688698
last year, Colt was about to go bankrupt after their contract ran out and got a contract extension to keep making guns for the military

it was only a few months after I called colt asking for a 9mm pencil barrel and told them to enjoy bankruptcy after the lady on the phone said colt only sells those to LE/Military

>>32688713
This

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>>32684767
> Keltec ksgs are blowing people's hands apart because when they pump the shotgun the PLASTIC FUCKING POLYMER RAIL breaks catapulting their hand forward in front of the barrel

>do we make the attachment rail out of some kind of metal?

>no, we must make the barrel 5 feet long

>>32688686
The .mil gave them a survival contract after giving FN the entire M4/M16 production, so now colt is making a handful of M4A1's again.

They have absolutely nothing else in the pipe. They will lose the M9 and M249 replacement bid. I mean FFS they lost the M203 replacement bid and it went to HK when LMT had a rail mount M203 that accepted long 40mm.

I'm fucking tired of HK getting attaboy contracts. M320 is a joke, if MG4 replaces the SAW I'm going to have a conniption

>>32688738
That's not how hands, catapults or polymer work.

>>32688738
that came from some retard using an airsoft vertical grip on it

>>32688720
Old News Flash:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/17/colt-manufacturing-led-charge-for-gun-control-in-1990s-now-bankrupt/

Colt was swimming in .gov contracts back then, didn't give a fuck about gun rights then, doesn't give a fuck much now, that's why they are so fucking out of touch.

The contract they got was a survival contract, FN has assumed 85%+ of M4/M16 manufacture.
As far as I know FN has the full contract for the M4A1's which will equip US army infantry forces from now on

>>32688738
It's apparently for the british market. They needed to lengthen their shotgun to comply with british laws, so they figured they'd lengthen the magazines as well.

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>>32688762
>>32688773
WOOPS, YOURE WRONG NIGGER.

Keltec should pay you fire you for being such garbage shills.

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>>32688791
OH FUCK THERES MORE

What a joke of a company.

>>32688713
>>32688723
Don't get me wrong, I third you guys, I'd like an older 70 myself.
I've heard quality has gone down on the newer ones, but it doesn't take away the fact that Colt has nil contracts and tons of competition and cannot innovate.
The all american and CM901 (which requires a kit to change between standard uppers which you can't find - I've heard owners have had colt tell them lol not .mil/LEO sorry) were the last time colt tried to innovate

>>32688797
I've never trusted a plastic rail for that application. That said the KSG is a decent shotgun, just don't use a foregrip

Anything new from GLOCK? I haven't been able to find anything so far.

>>32688773
You actually are right about that one guy with the promag grip, but the polymer rails are still fucking retarded as shit and do break.

>>32688814
I shot a KSG with no front grip

It felt strange for the first couple shots and the one I shot required a bit of force to cycle so I was always aware to keep my finger out of the trigger guard when pumping.

otherwise it was a really fun gun to shoot, its so short and compact and the shells go on for what feels like forever compared to a normal pump

>>32688818
Tons of new MOS models, and models without the thumb grooves as per the FBI contract

>>32688834
A 2 pin AFG may be the only real option due to the amount of rail real estate it utilizes, but at least it directs force backwards not downwards like a VFG

>>32688818
what happened to the glock rifle I heard they were coming out with

>>32688834
What's more you see idiots with plastic rail w/VFG's on regular shotguns - like the MOE.
If your going to be putting that kind of force to rack something, make sure it's a metal rail/keymod.
Hell they make full metal VFG's for that kind of application as well

>>32688838
Nice. Can you get the 26 or the 43 in MOS flavor now?

>>32688864
Not sure which models yet, I'm going to assume most of the full sized/G19 sized guns will get an MOS as a priority. I'm thinking bestsellers like the G20, G21, G22, G23. I imagine they'll be standard on the longslides at a certain point forward. Micro RDS's will get smaller anyway so even if no G26 MOS yet, it will happen eventually

>>32688686

colt doesnt have a .gov contract right now.

>>32688506
What the fuck is this and who makes it?

Fresh Ian!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yELW25D8zdE

>>32687782
>>32687975
Was it hard to include a trigger guard of some sort while having the handle pivot instead of taking it off? Sort of like how sks bayonet works?

>>32688039
>live off your past reputation
>put all your eggs in the government contract basket
>literally be stuck in time in terms of civilian offering
>gubmint contract safety net crumbling under their feet
>looking towards civilian market
>put out a fuddy five wheel gun with snake stamped on it
>put out a $2500 AR with nothing but pony roll mark as main price driver

So when are they getting bought out by freedom group?

Yeah, normies that got in because of the rule slackening.
SHOT used to be such a great place when it was industry-facing only. Why? Because sales were made and actual movement happened. Now it's open to the public and they shit the place up, turning it into a retarded show-n-tell overrun with assholes who have zero intent to buy or their own "independent gun review YouTube channel."

Make SHOT an industry show again.

>>32688039
They didn't even fucking do the reproduction of their own gun right LMAO.

>>32687862
He's just asking legitimate questions, not just shilling like others.

>>32688180
>undo all of the improvements made to a rifle over decades of service
Such as?

>>32688259
My main curiosity is how much replacement baffles are going to be going for

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDy_HWGR9iE&t=0s

>>32687852
What is the opsol, can't find the video.

>>32690809
Continuing with the hard questions. I don't think I've seen shot show interviews in which reps are challenged with their claims. I don't think ian and karl did this last year, although all I remember was them just jerking off over HMG.

>>32688688
That was back in the day when below colt you had shit tier companies like Schnrubmaster or Olympic Arms put together sub tier ARs with low quality bolts 1/9 twist barrels, etc.

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Another shitshow without what I really want.

>>32688852
It exploded en route to the show

>>32688864
> 43
> optics
Fucking why?

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>>32688642
TFW I got 2 Classic COLT BRAND ARs with REAL COLT HORSEY LOWERS for $800 a piece

Any news on the MSBS Radon from FB's booth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxemGbLZX8U

"The Fix" by Q. Is this rifle /k/ approved or is this a meme gun

>>32690809
From what I gather is this is supposed to be able to go through some barriers , impact the targets and then use the grooves in the bullet to produce a big wound but not over-penetrate.

Not sure this works. The person they're interviewing says it will go into the body and then be spinning and send the energy out and around.
Creating regular entry wound, significant internal damage, and no exit wound.
The concept makes me think of a pump impeller but those only work due a very high RPM. Which Ian point out will not be achieved because a 9mm does not have that much rifling. So even if the bullet still has enough energy to become that impeller, it does not have enough centrifugal force to achieve that effect.
The video also points out that it's the same material as a frangible.

Conclusion: It's going to either hit a solid barrier and deform/disintegrate without harming the target on the other side of the barrier, or it's going to hit the target and do what a regular rounded bullet would do.

>>32687755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDAqq9gaUQk
I still want one

>>32691012

interesting how many industry people aren't didn't go.

I wonder if they've had an unofficial boycott?

>>32693454
That does look kind of fun. Only issue with it is how you extract the rounds or casings.
That could be reworked into a kind of frontal trigger where you can squeeze it without putting any body parts in front of the muzzles.

>>32693454
>Fires multiple rounds with a single pull
Great, it's a machine gun.

>>32695198
They literally addressed that in the video you nigger.

The Troy reproduction Ar-15 carbines looks pretty gud

>>32695411
/k/ had a lengthy discussion about volley fire guns a few months ago as well.

>>32687453
Ian is such a fag, a guy standing 5 feet in front of you is gonna be shreaded whether there's butt-stock or not, especially with 6 rounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6U7pA5LAxs

Chris Bartocci showed the relevant black rifles

>>32695506
Yeah. I can appreciate that they are questioning the reps in these videos but they come off a bit condescending while doing it.

https://youtu.be/LmC3NlfUd-U

I was actually thinking about building one of these. I'm glad Mossberg is just going to start making them.

Also
>"This isn't what we'd usually associate with home defense."

What the fuck are you talking about Ian? If it weren't for NFA laws, short barreled shotguns and SMGs would reign king at home defense.

>>32688506
>>32688613
>>32689470

M&M INC M10

>>32687260
>That must take forever.
What kind of fag actually let's a tube mag run dry?

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Tikka T3x TAC A1.
http://www.tikka.fi/rifles/tikka-t3x/t3x-tac-a1
Compared to the rifle shown last year:
>New MLOK handguard that's made by Tikka
>New grip that also looks like it's made by Tikka
>New sling attachment points
New information from Tikka's website and this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0zdjSRFV8
>Double stage trigger (1 to 2 kg)
>0 MOA rail (which I think is an interesting choice)
>20 and 24 inch barrels (16" for military and LE only)
>308 Win, 260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor
>5/8x24 thread (which is really unfortunate from my point of view, because we use the metric system over here)
>Comes with three magazines (!!!)
>Price of magazines has dropped to $99
>Comes with a muzzle brake
>MSRP $1899

>>32688362
Why the fucking rail... why does every fucking gun has to have a motherfucking rail? The other day I got a s&w 645 and I almost creamed my pants. NO FUCKING RAIL

>>32693193
I don't care if it's a meme gun I fucking want one!

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>16lbs
>6000RPM

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New Barrett GMG

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Remington Model 40X

Holy shit that top one comes with a JAE-700

>>32696177
I wouldn't be surprised if some numb nuts came out with a scope with rails.

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FUCKING ACR REPLACEMENT BARRELS

>>32696235
Who is the target market for this "sexy" thing?

>>32696243
That looks like a magpul m240

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New thermal sight from Trijicon.

>>32696270
LIES AND SLANDER. Are those seriously the caliber conversion kits they've been promising?

>>32696279
Will/can they be exported to Europe or are they restricted by your government like some NV devices?

>>32696270
What the fuck. Have they been building these with hand tools for the last decade

See anything else that really interested you boof? The maxim 9 looks straight out of robocop.

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>>32696286
Just new lengths in 5.56, no new calibers yet. Expect them Q3 2017.

Got to handle these, pre-ordered 10 forever ago.

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>>32696316
Maxim 9 was neat, but it's going to be a collectable. Once HPA passes everyone will be doing the same thing.

Check out the possible form 4 SBR's in the background.

>>32696235
>that sign
They should've included Arabic, I'm sure there's some Saudi prince that would buy this for his personal army just for the cool factor.

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>>32696235
GE is *still* trying to sell the microgun? Fucking lel

>>32688446
>Mossberg is coming out with like 2 shotguns that skirt the NFA, technically non-firearms
No. The Mossberg Shockwave is not legally a shotgun, it's still legally a firearm. Quite small, but no NFA stamp.
The Mossberg Cruisers (there are 2 models) are not shotguns either and are even smaller but are AOWs as a result. $5 NFA stamp.

>>32696295

Because of ITAR it's not even legal for a non US citizen to look through this (seriously)

>>32696235
>16lb
Wonder what that 16lb includes. Probably just the "gun" portion and not the motor or feeder, cus on the XM214 those two bits added another 10lb to the gun.

>>32696352
While they're the same in principle that isn't the XM214

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>>32696328
>Just new lengths in 5.56, no new calibers yet. Expect them Q3 2017.
better late than never i suppose. depending on price, i would definitely like a LW profile pinned 1.45" barrel

>>32696344
Anything about Zenith's mp5sd?

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>>32696373
FN's booth was the height of the show. Real examples of everything select fire they offer.

>>32696373
Hey, BOOF, what's that on the bottom left of the "International Defense" rack?

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>>32696404
Haven't seen anything yet.

>>32696388
That's not even considering all the ammo you'd carry to feed the thing.

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>>32696411
GL40 launcher.

>>32696411
Looks like a stand alone grenade launcher.

>>32696367
That's pretty bad. The features look nice. Fortunately there are a lot of good manufacturers this side of the pond too.

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This thing is back I guess.

>>32696440
>>32696443
Got it. Thanks.

>>32688180
honestly the A2 isn't an upgrade over the A1.

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SBE3

>>32696270
How many years behind are we now?

Boof is a magical, magical man.

Too bad FN skimps on the quality of their commercial offerings.

>>32696440
That is one fuck huge trigicon

>>32687453
Bwahahahahaha, Ian went full autist. I love that guy.

>>32688039
.....Seriously, Colt? Seriously? Bring back the Python, bring back the Anaconda, bring back the Pocket Hammerless for more than 500 guns. More importantly, I can build one of those for under $1000. Price your shit correctly, don't expect assholes to shell out stupid money because Colt. Be competitive with everyone else and you'll make shittons of money.

>>32688642
No.

>>32688781
>http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/17/colt-manufacturing-led-charge-for-gun-control-in-1990s-now-bankrupt/
Fuck you, Colt, serves you the fuck right.

>>32688852
Vaporware. Vaporware everyware.

>>32690809
....Did these guys test any of that? Is there any truth to this? It sounds fucky as shit and I'm not sure I buy the whole 'fluid moves 90-degrees at 1.5 times the muzzle velocity of the projectile.'

>>32690996
Not soon enough. Freedom Group might actually do something decent with the name.

>>32696235
Who the fuck is their target market? Thanks to NFA, its not like they can sell it on the open market.....

>>32696243
Hooray, another M240L!

Any news on the wolf a1 uppers?

>>32696138
seems like a good deal for a precision rifle, at $500 to $600 more than a Ruger for the extra tikka quality

also 0 moa makes sense imo, it's easy to buy scope mounts with 20 moa and you aren't getting so much range out of 6.5CM or 260rem that you really need 40moa

>>32696535
4 u

>>32696243
Is that an mg42 trigger lol?

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>>32696539
>this entire post

>>32696367
Source? Can't find it on the USML. Unless they're manufactured to classified military standards.

>>32696510
How so?

>>32696548
I like the 0 MOA too. Ruger has 20 MOA but in practice these rifles will be used at 1000 m maximum, so you most likely won't need an angled rail. I guess it also makes it easier to put an NVD in front of the scope and get it aligned with the scope. RPR feels like it's mainly targeted at civilians and this Tikka seems to be targeted at military and LE users too. The guy being interviewed mentioned that the stock passed the NATO drop test, so I guess they've made it pass a lot of other things as well.

>>32696570
Nigga, I got gallons of assmad going on here. Especially about Colt. Fuck Colt.

>says the asshole with a New Frontier and Series 70...

>>32696270
Now they just need replacement stocks too so poor ACR owners who had their stocks break don't need to salvage fucking airsoft guns for a replacement.

>>32688720
>enjoy bankruptcy
kek

>>32696243
is that a chubby joe rogan spooning with that barrett in the background?

>>32696460
i had to chance to shoot either that or something similar... left hand bolt action 50 correct? thing shot beautifully

>>32696693
that asian guy in the back has a top knot.
>fuckin samurais also ruining shot show

>>32696399
Just sitting on several proprietary cartridges and not even bothering to put them into the goddamn gun that's whole point was caliber swaps.

>>32693454
More interesting than the Cobra. I'd get one if they were sub $120

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>>32696734
you rack the wirr of the warrior! HA HA HA HAAA

>>32696257

have they included a fucking positive feed yet of the superior Mauser action?

>>32688180
A1 was the perfection of the platform.... notice how people are going back to pencil barrels and light overall weight.

>>32688791
>>32688797
LelTec is a total joke. They make total fucking garbage like the Sub2k and RDB and use false scarcity to keep prices inflated. The Sub2k is a total POS. The charging handle reciprocates. It's outclassed by every other PCC including the Hipoint. The RDB and that abortion 22 mag rifle are also utter garbage. You can tell a shit gun by the number if screws it has. KelTec is an industry leader in that respect alone. No one who knows anything about guns is surprised that one of their plastic pieces of shit is snapping in two.

>>32696622
I here you bro, The fact that Colt has used the
>Because you suck and we hate you
business model is the tip of the iceberg.

That govt contract dick sucking CEO from the late 80's and 90's threw us all under the bus for
>muh contracts

I mean this is the guy who while ran the company used lobbyist to put gun control measures in place, not because of *muh libural safety* or to make the Fudds happy... (who BTW still have an image that it was the same company from the 19th century). but because his companies shit products were sub par and far inferior to Glock and other *wonder nines!!*, so since they couldn't compete in the marketplace they push politicians to make laws that fuck over the advantages of the glock or other competitor handguns to level the playing fields

Then they worked with Frankenstein and the other gun control wiz kids for the AWB, Again not for *crime stopping* but again because the imports were mopping the floor with colt' evermore stale offerings for prices that were 10th of their OP pony guns. This also pretty much halted any other makers of ARs from entering in the market place to undercut colts prices with other newer offerings.

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>>32696884
This whole time they earn brownie points with the pussies in congress who for granting their dream of fucking us over in tern makes colt a shoe in for more US govt, and overseas contracts.

Fuck they even tried the Smart gun ID chip bullshit, which also blew up in their faces

This shit worked, we got fucked and they had a stream of cash, until 04, when the ban died and the flood gate opened up and AR's literally rained from the sky and colt was still left with their stale has been crusty dick in hand with the same HK mindset... until the govt contract stopped, and they had a very hard time on civilian sales as they had huge catch up to do with the AR market.

Seriously I'm literally happy to see them Fail and try to kiss ass this Fucking hard... only to fuck up further with these limited run releases, or releases that aren't even made by them but are licensed (BAR).

>Funny thing is that after growing up in the 90's when this shit was in the news, MFW now I love to collect all the old LE surplus colt AWB restricted stamped ARs for cheap as a defiant FUCK YOU to colt, AWB, and Feinstein

>>32696243

Shoulda been in .50

>>32696884
>>32696891
Literally baseless speculation

Is the anime figurine still at the Kriss booth?

>>32696902
Fuck you Colt is trash like Ruger.

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>>32688362
is that Mike Stoklasa?

>>32696902
Nigga I lived through that shit, don't fucking believe me, call in and order a A2 clone, or try to buy a part and get this >>32688720

>>32696235
I hear they have a semi auto version with fixed stock

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>>32696243
this guy lol

>>32696243
that guy holding the rifle fell asleep

>>32688506
this seems like it might actually make sense.

>>32696405
that asian looks lost

>>32696486
>SBE3
geeez

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>>32696984
>Semi-auto minigun

Somehow I seriously doubt somebody is stupid enough to actually invest in making this.

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>inb4 hurr yet another budget AR

Savage btfo s&w and ruger with their MSR. Comes with a better barrel and mid length gas system out of the box for the same price point.

>>32696932
>Comparing Colt to Ruger

Talk about an unfair comparison. Unlike Colt, Ruger actually makes guns and sells them for reasonable prices in large quantities. Which is a thousand times more than what Colt has done for decades.

>>32691080
oh jesus christ its a helmet. i just had a fucking heart attack because of the thumbnail. i thought i was looking at some fresh-fucking-hell kind of AR attachment that spins my salad after i rinse it so the water doesn't dilute the delicious taste of the high fructose corp syrup in my ranch dressing

>>32687577
the gun collectives video has the colt guy telling them that long take up and reset is normal lol

>>32697099
no that was out at SHOT 2016

>>32696474
>>32696861
Oh fuck of you fedora tipping faggots
>manlet buttstock
>no brass deflector
>need a round to adjust sights
>weak polymer
>left and right handguard
Now go be retarded elsewhere

>>32696486
Could you take a look at the new Tikka and give us some impressions or new info?

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>>32696243
lol awesome i've been looking for a new shop press

>>32697118
>buttstock that's better with plate carriers and webbing
>adjusting the sights never happens in combat
>the polymer was only weak in the early versions
You're right about the brass deflector and handguards, but those are the only real improvements.

>>32687420

I would be interested in what he was doing there. Crossing fingers for no more import restrictions. I want my balanced recoil rifles!

>>32684767
>>Robocop aesthetics

Sadly not, it looks fat as fuck.

Has Arsenal said when their new stuff is gonna ship?

>>32687420
Maybe he was just pretending?

>>32688686
I've been waiting for my nodak spud for 6 months now. I don't think I'll get anything till spring or summer.

>>32687535
maybe its for califags to cc?

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>>32691103
>Jerking off the HMG STG
MFW,
Also, yeah last year they touched on it with one laser company where to activate the laser you need to put your finger on the trigger.

Honestly I like it, better then all the other vids where they kiss ass all the time and let the sales person rattle off their memorized snake oil script

>>32696999
Holy shit is that trump behind him?!

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>>32684767
>>KSG with 25 shot capacity

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>>32691319
>no squeeze cocker
put that shit in the fucking trash where it belongs.

>>32695429
they should have made an A1 at half the cost of Colt's. I can just imagine the dirty stares and anal devastation from the Colt booth.

>>32697838
Depreciated by the modern glock safety.

The squeeze cock mechanics are the main reason why they were dropped nation wide with police forces after an incident that HK worked very hard on covering up.

>>32697900
what incident?

>>32687289
this. the H9, the Fix, and the Q honey badger are pretty much the only thing that peaked my interests this year.

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>>32684672
updated version of the HK CSASS, designated M110A1,

>>32696590

They are made on a completely different line, fit and finish isn't as good, and they have different cheaper barrels If I remember.

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>>32697991

>>32696352
Its not made by GE

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>>32688506
I... like this

>>32697932
Accidental discharges and small parts breakages caused the squeeze cock mechanism to be deemed unsafe.

>>32697995

It isn't a F marked front sight either.

>>32697991
YOU RACK THE DISEPRINE TO HANDRE THE TREE OH EIGHT

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>>32684672
>>32687289
>>32688039
>>32688506
>>32691080
>>32696138
>>32696328
>>32696420
>>32697084
>>32697991

Honestly, I'm all for any rifle that ISN'T an AR. They're getting boring at this point so any company that takes a chance to make new competition has my support 100%.

>>32688506
>Upper receiver integrated with full-length rail
Confused boner

>>32696874
>Sub2k
Actually bretty gud.

>RDB
Pretty fucking amazing, actually.

>Sub2k outclassed by NigPoint
Lemme know when the HP can take non-proprietary mags, has rifling that makes sense, and barrels that don't shit themselves.

>Screws are bad
Tell that to the F2000. I bet you think you need to pop every one of them for takedown, too, because you're a retarded anti-shill.

>Guns snapping
>Gee Billy, what happens when you load excessivley hot bubba loads to pressures not commercially available into an SU-16?

>>32696902
But it's correct.

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>>32697084
>same price point as an S&W
>MSR 15 RECON MSR Series $999 MSRP
>M&P 15 literally costs $500

Jesus how fucking retarded are you, faggot.

>>32688506
What the fuck am I looking at? Is that short stroke or DI?

>>32695506
>Designed to be hip fired
>They recommend using a fucking laser to aim
>He asks basic questions in an unaggressive way about its effectiveness
>"Wow Ian was autistic"

>>32688245
You dumb fuck it's wearing AMERIFLAGE

>>32695506
I mean, I kind of get it. In regards to the mossberg video (haven't watched the other one yet): Yeah, his tone was a bit holier-than-though, but he did raise some legitimately good points in his questions about the difficulties of using it as a HD weapon, since you'll likely be firing it from the hip. Plus, the fact that he didn't just ask fluff-piece questions actually gave the rep a good chance to legitimately discuss some of the features of the gun that she wouldn't have otherwise. Either way im excited about it since I can finally live my SBS fantasies without the ATF sticking their grubby little hands in my business.

>>32696328
How was it? I've had mine preordered since last january. I am excited for march.

>>32697039

No I don't.

>>32693285
I've done some rudimentary testing with ARX Polycase 9mm +P out of my P38. In clear ballistics gel, I was actually getting a bit more penetration than standard 124gr FMJ (14-16in FMJ vs 18-20in Polycase), and it was producing about a 3in permanent cavity the whole way. Both layered denim and drywall seemed to have a negligible effect.

A lot of what their rep was saying sounded like marketing bullshit, but the ammo itself seems to work well enough. Only thing I'd be concerned about is overpenetration, but I'm not much bothered by that, personally.

>>32693128
You paid 800 dollars for a lower? Wtf is wrong with you

>>32696932
Ruger makes some of the most wonderful wheelguns I've ever fondled

>>32696259
Have you somehow not seen the dozens of scopes with rails?

They all look awful and the rails themselves are basically worthless

>>32697084
>out of the box for the same price point.
It's 100-200 more than S&W.

Anything from Glock?

>>32687782
What the sweet baby jesus is that fucking garbage?

OH BOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ16kb9-ps4

>>32699006
I hope Ian and Carl visit the FullConceal booth. Ian's just been brutal this shot show.

>>32699006
I wanted them to turn to the right and take a look at the lyman booth with there were already there.

I want people to cover stuff outside of guns. At least last year people were reporting on RCBS stuff, but so far I've seen no reloading products at all from the major gun media outlets.

>>32698816
As an owner of a Python, Diamondback, Police Positive, Blackhawk, and Super Redhawk: Ruger is good quality with mediocre to fair triggers. Seriously, even the trigger on my Police Positve blows the Super Redhawk out of the water. The overall build quality on old Colts can't be over stated and the finish is superb.

As far as modern wheel guns go, yes Ruger is the best going, but that's only because Colt is a bunch of retarded monkeys and S&W cut every corner they can while adding "safety" features no one wants.

tl;dr Buy new Rugers old Smith and Wessons and shoot other peoples Colts

>>32699125
Tell me about it. I want to see all the new stuff.
I did like the bladehq videos for the new knifes coming out (I'm not even a knifefag)

>>32698927
Glock 8

>>32698266
What's wearing "Ameriflage?" All I see is an American flag.

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>>32698559
Pretty neat. Trigger was great, but not as great as it could be. Easy fix.

>>32698245
Long stroke piston, an exact copy of the Sig 550's system.

>>32696922
I touched it inappropriately and was asked to leave.

Also saw this.

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>>32699333
Oh lawd

>>32699333
>Suppressor on a nugget
Nice

When my suppressor comes in I'm putting it on my swedish mauser

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>>32699006
>"We had to retool"
Sounds more like "We may be fucking idiots, but our fanboys are even bigger idiots that will eat this up"
~2,500 rifles limited edition for $2,500 a pop, which costs very little to make, equals an easy $6,250,000 for Colt (obviously this number is off because I do not know the actual production cost per rifle)

>>32699378
To be fair, it's extremely expensive to do business in CT. That said, I doubt it's that expensive. Colt's management are fucking morons and this should be made in larger quantities.

>>32696270
I refuse to believe this is real.

>>32699378
Colt is just trying to make it sound like they are barely breaking even and doing everyone a favor making a limited run of a rifle everyone wants

>>32699333
I hope it's bolt on instead of having to fuck with the barrel.

>>32699378
>M16A1 parts kits where $~200-600 five years ago
>Haven't found any in five years because colt got them all for this
>Cost of forged lower to typical manf = 30-70$
>May cost colt 230-670$ a rifle to build.
>Assuming they're actually built on horded parts kits.

I could see the $2500 MSRP if all the parts where newly manufactured easily... However rumor is they're built off NOS M16/SP1 kits.

>>32699388
I know CT can be hell for gun makers. But even with those elevated costs, there is no way it comes out to even half of that MSRP.
And it definitely does all come down to the management and executives doing the pricing. I'm not blaming the designers/ tool operators.

>>32699006
I wonder what chris bartocci has to say about this. He did work at colt and

The fact that he shat all over the expanse and that this is apparently partly out sourced probably means he'll shit on it too.

Am i the only one excited about stag arms new stock and foregrip?

>>32699437
Okay. When you mention that it does provide some reason.
I honestly did not think of the furniture aspect of it all if they had to remake stocks, handguards, etc.
So with that highest estimated production price they're making roughly $1,800 per gun before you factor in all the other costs like storage, shipping, and all that other stuff.

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>>32699508
wtf i love colt now

The semi mp40 in 9mm by ati is the only thing I have liked so far

>>32699523
Vid?

>>32699212
Shit... they lost the pistol

>>32699523
It looked awkward as fuck. Only the pistol version was in the clip I saw though

>>32699547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9GdGnkYhRc
It's only $650 msrp

>>32684672
Colt is selling limited quantities of SP1s for 2500 MSRP.
So standard fare.

>>32697377
>cali
>cc
u wot

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>>32699508
If the rumors are wrong and it's all newly machined parts, $2500 is pretty typical.

What's the cost of most of the "custom" AR's on the market right now that have in house custom machined parts? 1600-4000$.

Plus the cost of new molds for the furniture, new tooling for the new barrel specs, fixed carry handle upper forging and man hours to build...

Tack on a premium for a limited production run and you're pretty typically priced.

We won't know if we should laugh at them as the final nail is hammered into the coffin until we know more.

>>32699559
>repro at a reasonable price
How?

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>>32699586
I want that, but not for shooting...

>>32699586
Is that a welrod?

>>32699586
>We won't know if we should laugh at them as the final nail is hammered into the coffin until we know more

That comes when they announce the limited run of Colt snake guns

>>32699586
Did you get to see the t91 uppers wolf is importing?

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>>32699604
B&T just opened up importers in Tampa, FL

They are by far the height of quality and precision, I've owned an MP9 for a while now and this is my new desire.

A Sphinx with a folding stock, extended capacity magazine, threaded barrel and integrated electronic sight.

>>32699638
so will MP9's be available for regular civilians anytime soon?

>>32699604
I would like to test how much you could take off the lugs or how many lugs you could take off before failure.

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>>32699638
I've been waiting for them to import the APC 556. I hope it's coming in the future or I'll be sad.

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>>32699611
B&T Veterinary Pistol 9mm

Pretty much a 9mm Welrod used for animal control.

>>32699630
I will tomorrow.

>>32699437
There's a few A1 parts kits around. These were $499 last year:

http://whatacountry.com/colt-m16a1-parts-kit.aspx

What puzzles me is that lionheart isn't at the show again this year. You'd think that they'd actually want to get people to sell their shit by showing up to a trade show and showing off their fancy new suppressor ready guns that are apparently 100% made in the USA now.

A lot of people are getting pissed at them for teasing new calibers and maybe a way to get K2s into the country, but never delivering on them as well.

I sold my LH9 when I moved, but hung on to the magazines I got for cheap. I might just sell them if lionheart is just going to continue being like this.

>>32699651
I handled one, it's AMAZING.

>>32699645
MP9's are restricted to 02/07/SOT holders. You'd be looking for a semiautomatic version. A form 4 TP9 SBR.

>>32699656
Have you seen anything truly revolutionary and innovative?

Coolest thing you've seen so far?

>>32699679
did you see robinson armament at all?

also the APC556 is pretty neat, still waiting on ones to arrive in canada

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>>32699676
Lionheart is at the show this year, third level near the south escalator.

They don't have any guns at their booth. Just a guy and some pamphlets.

>>32693128
No desu $800 for the whole rifle. One was a Match HBAR A2, the other was a surplus Colt govt. carbine CAHP contract Dissipator

>>32698745
Wrong link,
>>32699700

>>32699696
that's even sadder than not being there at all...

How does a gun company, that already has guns on the market and new guns have been show on their social media, show up to a trade show with no guns?

I mean, i must cost a ton of money to get a booth there, why waste it on just pamphlets?

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>>32699695
>robinson armament
Ordered 15, including 3 SBR's

Fun fact: From what I've heard the XCR apparently won the military trials years ago to replace the M16. However, the military couldn't afford it.

>>32699682
Nothing cooler than >>32696235 so far.

Haven't been on /k/ in years, can't believe boof is still around.


My question is anything from KAC? What do they even do anymore now that HK beat them out?

>>32699732
neat, honestly that doesnt suprise me too much they are very solid rifles, a bit heavy in the early generations but now they're a pretty decent AR alternative.
>>32699741
pretty sure they still got that whole quad rail contract and a shit tonne of other small things they make for the army and other countries.

>>32699659
What countries are still using m16a1 rifles?

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>>32699741
KAC is still doing what they've always done... Making top tier rifles with a few quirks and proprietary do-dads.

They announced stripped lowers for MSRP:149$

Still one of my favorite AR makers.

>>32699547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVwBY19zVFo&t=6m21s

>>32699006
I find there know it all attitude annoying. They do ask questions no one else will though. In this case, it is perplexing why they think they know more than Colt. Limited edition runs are common across many different product lines. The point isn't to sell 2,500 more rifles. It is to cater to enthusiasts and get media attention. It is also probably a fun project to work on.

>>32699766
Yeah they're great and all I just don't know how they make money. Supposedly they're some big mil contract guys but I have no idea what they make or made other than M110s.

I've always wanted something from them just because cool but never really been interesting in anything specific they make.

>>32699759
All the poorfag ones that still have the ones we gave them in the 70s and 80s, most of South American and Asia

>>32699766
Oh shit only 149? Are they ambi with the standard KAC rollmark?

>>32699759
Thailand has been replacing their M16s, including A1s, with jew guns over these past few years.

I've never seen a Thai gun parts kit though. More likely that the army transfers their unwanted guns to border patrol and ROTC.

>>32699768
>mag falls out while he's trying to chamber another round
Kek

>>32699766
>stripped lowers
I'd ask why but that is actually not as ass raping as I'd thought, still a bit silly but they do everything in house and forge , right?

>>32684672

Handled and fired a CZ P-10 tonight at the MSR range night. Absolutely fantastic gun, very very accurate, and the trigger is probably one of the best I've ever felt.

If they keep up with American demand, and don't make it exceedingly hard to get like everything else they make, it could put a decent dent in the poly striker fired handgun market.

My chief complaint is the fuckhuge slide release, it's too easy, at least for me, to ride the release and prevent last round hold open.

>>32699861
I'm guessing that they don't literally forge their own blanks because that would be insane.

149 for a full ambi KAC lower is not bad at all. It's not just a plain jane lower.

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any word from walther on the .380 PPK/s?

is walther even at shot show this year?

please, I need to know

>>32699882
They're shit. The .32 is the best one but they don't make it anymore.

>>32699882
Yeah, they were showing off the Creed. Which is pretty nice, they are advertising it as a cheaper PPQ alternative. I already have a PPQ but I will probably get a Creed too.

>>32699900
>>32699904

I'm asking about the PPK specifically because they were at SHOT show last year, but later in 2016 they said that the firearms had been halted indefinitely

>>32699926
I haven't seen anything about it but other than Blade HQ and the Industry Day videos there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of stuff up yet.

Brownell's has some videos up but nothing from Walther.

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>>32696344
I've saved this post in my folder of predictions. Time will tell if it comes true.

Pic related is one of the few confirmed predictions to come out of /k/

>all these fatbodies wearing 'tacticool' clothing


>>32699766
Did you look at the Type91 Upper Wolf is bringing in?

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>>32696502
Yes. Yes he is.

>>32699717

Circumstances may have troubled shipping their stuff from one point to shot show

The car would likely be coincidentally near shot show, so they borrowed it instead of setting the booths up

I have no sources for this

>>32696344
>Once HPA passes
What are the actual chances of this?

>>32700012
The industry wants it, most people want it and there is a majority Republican govt. now so probably 70-80% if we're pulling numbers out of our ass.

>>32700012
Republican house and Senate
Republican president
Presidents son is balls deep into firearms and an avid supporter of the 2nd amendment

I'd say pretty good

>>32700044
>>32700046
Don't forget Democrats removed filibuster ability because in thier infinite wisdom they thought they would be the ruling party forever.

Even the most RINO would probably sign it for nothing but virtue signalling. We'll see what the wording is later but word is they are going to still be regulated but like pistols.

>>32700064
>We'll see what the wording is later but word is they are going to still be regulated but like pistols

The bill in Congress says a basic 4473 needs to be filled out, didn't hear anything about being 21 but I could be wrong.
Plus tax credits for suppressors bought after October 2015 when it was introduced.

>>32700091
Neat, would be the wild damn west for the next couple months after it passes because most companies aren't really set up to take massive influx of orders I imagine and fly by night companies using Ikea parts to make baffle strike specials will be also there in the chaos.

Heck, we might even see MAC 10 clones built the way they were designed (without full auto and closed bolt of course) and whole lines of integrally supressed hunting rifles.

>>32700064
When did they remove filibuster? I thought it was still a thing.

>hurr durr vaporware
>baaaawwww everything is ARs and Glocks, i hate ARs and Glocks!
>[bitching about Kel-Tec]
>Colt are Jews!

Am I doing it right?

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>>32688506
>opens like an AR for cleaning
>easy to remove the barrel
>adjustable gas system
>ambi safety that looks super comfy
>ambi fixed charging handle that honestly looks less than ideal

>memelock (fine I guess, I ain't mounting shit on it)
>shitty plastic folding stock that looks to be riveted
>no sights
Cmon son
cmon

You were so close

Although, if the MSRP is decent and it's as accurate as they say it is it's still the cat's pajamas

>>32698247
>They recommend using a fucking laser to aim
I mean, for that gun that's really the best option right?
Assuming the laser holds zero and is bright as fuck you should do fine.

>>32695786
He's more talking about a hip fire stock less shotgun

>>32695431
And /k/ doesn't know shit

>>32696270
wtf i love the ACR now.

>>32699955
>november '15
wew

david codrea and mike vanderboegh broke the story in 2010 when it was called "project gunwalker" and they filed an ethics complaint in 2012. sharyl atkinson picked it up from the cleanupatf.org forum where they broke the story and that's where she got the real actual informant, john dodson, while david and mike ran interference with "R. A. Bear."

>>32701145
Okay, done some more looking and I am less enthused, it seems like "Iraqveteran" or whatever the fuck that is was chosen as their adviser for the "refinement" of their product.

This excellent "advice" is what brought us the retarded magpul stock, and, most importantly,
>Barrel Thread: 5/8 – 24 x 1 right hand

It comes in 7.63x39 you FUCKING IDIOTS.
>hurr why use a surplus break designed for the round I want muh special snowflake AR breaks with the pokey bits on the end because I'm so T A C T I C A L

It's also around 1500 dollarydoos, which I'm not going to spend on a shit rifle, so if I want it to not suck dicks like it's it's job I'm gonna have to rethread the fucking barrel or buy a new one altogether, and replace all of the furniture.

At least it still accepts AK mags.

Still kind of interested, but not really for 2 grand.
I'll probably just buy a Vepr in 7.62x39 and fuck around with that.

>>32696440
Why is that holographic sight so huge