Best Korea

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>>32679439
KPA in a nutshell:
>~95% of their equipment is completely and utterly outdated
>~5% of their equipment could be used in a modern war but is completely outnumbered by ROK and US force (Mainly helicopters and the few Mig29s)
>Their camo is at best (pic related)
>Food shortage
I think the massive food shortage they have in their country is what would get them first. Most troops would probably lose their fighting capabilities after a day, maybe half a week max.
Also if they find out that the US and ROK forces have much better logistics there would probably a mass surrender take place.

>>32681475
This, at this point the only danger NK poses is a danger to themselves.
The only reason that SK doesn't invade is due to the resulting massive refugee crisis that will happen on the chinese and korean borders. Nukes don't have a proper delivery platform, so they will be used defensively. Against their own population.

>>32681475
Even the MiG-29s are very outdated. They are early models that is way worse than the stuff countries like Russia for example uses.

>>32681475
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>>32681852
So basically we can create an entire army of Coke bottles and Mentos, and still be on par with the KPA?

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http://news.nationalpost.com/news/graphics/graphic-north-koreas-conventional-arms

>>32679439

in theory you could defeat the north korean army simply by flying stealth bombers over their country and dropping napalm on their farmlands

they would turn to cannibalism and soon the nation would crumble

Didn't NK fuck up making AK's in the late 50's or something? I remember hearing something along those lines.

I'm not trying to spew the "AK simplest gun" meme, but if Russia can start production that soon after a war, then NK should've been able to do a bit better.

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All their equipment (particularly their anti-air systems) are incredibly outdated, but in a roundabout way, it's almost a small advantage given that their WW2 era ballistic AA and cold-war era SAMs can't be hacked or wiped out by other EW measures. All of their radar arrays would be wiped out within hours by high altitude precision strikes, leaving the rest of their infrastrucure ripe for the plundering.

>>32679439
I gotta say /k/. I've been here a while but you need to lose this best Korea meme. Both North and South Korea are fucking dogshit subhumans. I don't get it.

>>32679439
We'd have air superiority within minutes. The problem comes when our army meets their army. While outdated, AKs still kill effectively.
Very quickly they would have no armor or motorized force due to the close air support we have. Our bombers would destroy their industry, but they have stockpiles of AKs and ammo, and a dedicated population. It would be like Okinawa, but worse, longer, and bloodier.

>>32679439

>length of RPG-7 with standard PG-7V: approx 1.0 m
>lets add extra 40 cm for VR warhead like in pic
>it's still longer than these guys height

god damm', norks really are fucking gnomes

>>32683819

Who needs open streets when everybody's walking anyway?

>>32681475

That's not the regular army. It's some worker's defence group paramilitaries.

>>32684006
Yeah, but all male north koreans are conscripted into the military

>>32684186

Yes and afterwards they have to train in the paramilitaries from time to time. They did the same thing in a lot of Eastern European countries.

>>32683929

Normally, this would be a big issue, but NK can be starved by destroying their farmlands and blockading them, so they'd be unable to go nam'.

>>32679439
Could The Northern Theater Command of the PLA defeat North Korea? Assuming it draws no other military assets from the rest of China but is supported by the chinese economy etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Theater_Command

Could US assets in Japan + Korea alone defeat North Korea? Assume JPKR forces are restricted to their national boundaries because of some hurr durr over politics.

By defeat I'm pretty liberal. Set up your own win condition i guess

>>32684577
I'm sure they've got stockpiles of food

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>>32684615
PLA Northern Command has 4 Mechanized Armies.

This might be enough to crush the KPA conventionally, but might not be enough to pacify the country.

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Realistically I see the most likely scenarios for shit going down in the Korean peninsula being
>Norks finally lose their shit and try and roll south
or
>Norks are ACTUALLY going to try and push the button on nukes, and US+Sorks need to push their shit in
or
>Nork government collapses, Sork+US need to pacify the situation

Regarding the first situation the Norks would have weight of fire and numbers (and possibly surprise if they somehow manage to sneak in infiltrators in large numbers). Their arty is old as hell but still potent enough to sling rounds downrange at South Korea, though the amount of shit they can bring to bear would be rather finite, case in point
>http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/
That report probably explains everything I could but I'm going on anyway. Anyhow should the Norks decide that its time to liberate the South they will be attacking a country that has anticipated this since the ceasefire back in '53, and is much more technologically advanced than they are. Assuming that they push past the DMZ, they will more than likely become embroiled with massive urban combat in the Sork cities that are close to the border. Their artillery advantage would be restricted to areas that their Koksans and other heavy pieces could find range and wherever their air force could hit. Given the age of the KPA's aircraft plus the abysmally low amount of training hours most of their pilots get, I would assume that the Nork air force would be potent for a few days to a week at max (that's being extremely generous). Nork logistics and supplies are already strained by large scale exercises, so a sustained push to the South would more than likely run out of steam a week or two after hostilities commence. The ROK would more than likely beat the Norks bloody even without US support, and the only conclusion I could see in a conventional sense would be an eventual withdrawal back across the DMZ

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>>32685054
In the second scenario, which I find quite unlikely unless Kim Jong Un becomes so fat that it begins to reduce the bloodflow to his brain, would mean that US+South Korea would have to either preemptively strike targets inside North Korea or immediately respond to Nuke/Chem attacks in South Korea. Realistically I would see a massive air campaign as US+Sork aircraft attempt to hit targets in the North with guided munitions while suppressing the North's air force and air defenses. This becomes a bit more tricky since while the North has much older equipment they still have enough of it to knock aircraft out of the sky. Most of the stuff is mid Cold War era equipment, with some homegrown stuff whose effectiveness is not known. There's also an assload of plain old AAA guns and shoulder launched Sams that could give low-flying aircraft trouble. I could see an air campaign going something like what occurred in Desert Storm, however the Norks have a shitload of mountainous terrain and tunnel systems that they can use to hide air defenses and military equipment. US+Sork aircraft could more than likely gain control over the skies of North Korea, but it may come at a slightly higher than anticipated cost.

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>>32685155
In the final scenario (which I find to be the most likely) it would be a massive effort to try and occupy North Korea while putting down die-hard gommies and trying to locate/secure any nukes/chemical weapons that the North possesses (insert Iraq joke here). The North's government imploding would present a rather interesting situation since many things could occur, there could be warring factions of the KPA vying for power, a possible Chinese incursion to secure the North's border region, or last-ditch chem/nuke attacks as the regime goes down. If I remember correctly the South does have plans for a situation like this, but anything resembling integration would have to wait years as millions of Norks would need to be de-programmed, fed, and re-purposed since almost all job skills in the North are incompatible with the South. I'm not going to go too far into this since we're talking mainly military scenarios so the biggest risks in a scenario like this would be quickly pacifying/securing Best Korea while dismantling the KPA as rapidly as possible, forcibly if necessary. If the regime falls apart the KPA would be in a state of flux, therefore taking it out while its off guard would be theoretically a hell of a lot easier.

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In the meantime, dumping Nork stuff.

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>>32685400
Do you have any of their more modernized stuff? The only pictures I have of their more modern gear are from that special forces exercise where they assaulted a mockup of the Blue House (because apparently they still think that's a high value target to hit during an invasion and that the president of South Korea won't be in some undisclosed and well-defended location well outside of their artillery's range). Are they just reusing the old mockup from 68 for exercises because they don't have any better location to train their top tier guys?

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>>32685625
The only stuff I have that I would consider "modernized" are the Pokpunghos here
>>32685615
And even then I use the term loosely considering the vast majority of Nork tanks are T-62s on roids with sprinkling of later Russian tank tech installed here and there. I will say that the Nork Special Forces exercise did surprise me with the faux-PASGTs and attempts to look tacticool. If you have some more photos from that I'd be grateful if you shared them since I don't have those in my folder yet.

This pic is one of the few where I've seen Norks wearing some form of body armor, guessing its used rather sparingly for special forces and the like.

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And in this pic you can get a slightly better look at the faux-PASGTs the Norks seem to be sporting in limited numbers these days. Not sure if actually kevlar.

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>>32685668
Here you go. Some of them are pretty weird, though, like the two guys doing a tandem parachute jump.

>>32679439
Daily reminder that the DPRK is the last remaining fascist state on the planet

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A somewhat newer iteration of the Pokpungho tank. I believe they were attempting to imitate ERA with the bolted on side armor there.

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>>32685702
I mean, kinda. I would actually put them at a monarchy at this point. The whole Juche thing has become so fucked up at this point that you can basically see it as a feudal system with the Kims as a ruling dynasty.
>>32685696
Appreciate it m8.
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>>32685696
Here's the tandem jump in question. Maybe the front guy is supposed to be able to shoot while the other guy maneuvers the chute?
>>32685689
They could be like those polymer helmet's some of Saddam's boys wore, the M80s. They were compressed canvas coated in plastic, then shaped like an American M1. They were actually worse in terms of ballistic protection than the steel helmets they replaced.

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>>32685735
Did a little more reading, and they apparently had another version of the M80 helmet called the M90 that skipped the compressed canvas altogether and was just all cheap plastic. Interestingly enough, those were bought from the Sorks.

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>>32685771
>implying Hips could even get past the DMZ

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>>32685785
Lots and lots of bright blue parachutes.

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>>32685799
This may or may not be from this exercise. I'm not 100% sure it's Norks, either. Maybe I saved it to the wrong folder. Whoops.

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>>32685822

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>>32685735
>>32685771
So these are M90s then? Either way the gist I'm getting is that they're made to look like PASGTs but offer none of the protective qualities.
>>32685785
Norks can dream.
>>32685731
Malutkyas, because why the fuck not.

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>>32685839
Take note of the fact that a lot of these guys are only wearing one kneepad. I don't know whether there weren't enough kneepads to give everyone a set (there clearly weren't enough NODs) or if they were trying to emulate Western operators who only wear one or what. That they're even wearing NODs during a daytime exercise is kind of strange, but I get the impression it was mostly to show off.

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>>32685869
>trying to emulate Western operators
I'm betting that's it. More than likely this was just a large expensive PR stunt that's supposed to make us think that the Norks have super leet operatorz like the rest of the world. Not saying that the Nork SF aren't motivated, but its a bit comical to dress them up like this.
>>32685845
Konkurs, or Fagots. Always had a hard time telling the difference between the two.

>>32685845
No, the M80s and M90s were Iraqi helmets made in South Korea. I'm just speculating that these PASGT knockoffs are made similarly. The Iraqi helmets were more so Iraq could show off as if they had ballistic-protective helmets when they clearly didn't.

> Korean war restarts
> Seoul is obliterated
> 500.000 civilians killed within 24 hours
> Norks get curbstomped
> +10 million deaths due to Empire-of-Japan levels of indoctrination to fight to the death

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>>32685869
Here's their SF guys posing with Kim.

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>>32685948
Last pic I have from the exercise.

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>>32685910
>Seoul is obliterated
Lolno, read the link I posted earlier
>>32685054
>>32685932
Is he getting fatter? Also I wonder why the Norks seem to like them drum mags, I also wonder if the function properly.
>>32685905
>Glorious amphibious PT-76 tank will smash Capitalist South!

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>>32685974
Thanks again for that. If anything Nork propaganda is getting more funding that's for sure.
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>>32685995
He is definitely getting fatter. I have a feeling the helical mags work decently, given that Kim's bodyguards are always carrying them. Or maybe they're Calico-tier and he just likes the looks. Who knows? It's fucking North Korea.

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>>32686070
>Who knows? It's fucking North Korea.
I feel like that answer could be applied to a lot of things.

>>32679439
this is /k/ when it comes to N. Korea
>lol tractor artillery
>1950's equipment cant kill anything
>feed the starving peasants McDonalds and they will surrender by the thousands

you want an actual assessment? let me say this first
>U.S. and SORKs would win out any war of a prolonged nature, anything longer then six months and thats the end of the regime
>airpower and naval power would be the deciding factor and after a hundred thousand metric tons of ordinance gets laid down the whole peninsula could be put down

now lets have an actual assessment of N. Korean capabilities and why they wouldn't be the pushovers you fucking faggots think they would be
>closest thing to super soldiers the world has ever seen
these fucking special forces guys are Space Marine die for the emperor level zealotry
lookup the blue house thing and the mini sub guys of which none were taken alive
you give the hardest men alive a 10/22 and a wooden spear and they are still fucking extremely lethal
>tunnels, tunnels and more tunnels
enjoy having thousands of troops moving across the border at unknown incursion points all over as well as well behind the DMZ
>artillery
Cold war era artillery with enough firepower to flatten the western world if it was in reach, Seoul wouldnt even need to be hit by a nuke it would be the same level of destruction minus the radioactivity in the first hour of a shooting war with no restraint
>fortification
now take a military state thats devoted half of its GDP to hardening spots all over the country to directly counter whatever the world could throw at it and multiply that by half a century of planning and reinforcement
>but you need cawadooty tactical operator equipment and railguns to win a war
7.62 lead and arty rounds with radios is all they need. warfare hasnt evolved much beyond WW2 and most of the worlds militaries know this. I get what youre saying. but its still a streetfight once you have boots on the ground and a standing army.

>>32686236
you can take a peak performance athlete, lets say floyd mayweather and he's had access to all the high altitude training fight camp and diet and million dollar facilities and all that.

now take some fucking average joe off the street. and lets say there's a 10lb difference between the fighters. there's no chance. mayweather is gonna destroy this guy.

but now you give this average joe 3 years to train ONLY for fighting mayweather. now you give the average joe all of his fight tape, and he gets to study it.
now instead of the mgm grand boxing ring, the average joe gets to live next door to mayweather and after all these years of training and preparing for this fight, he gets to decide the day he jumps mayweather while he's taking out his trash or checking his mail or whatever. he gets the initiative.
now with all that, granted floyd mayweather has like a 80% chance of knocking this guy out in the first 5 minutes. but that 20% chance exists it goes the other way.

but it wont ever happen. N. Korea isn't on Israels shit list so shit will never go down and the fucking damage that would come from it isnt worth it in the long run.

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>>32686236
>closest thing to super soldiers
I'd rate their SF and some of their frontline divisions at that, and never once in the thread did I say that the Norks ever lacked for motivation or loyalty. But this is what a lot of Nork soldiers look like. Neither do I doubt the fact that however old a weapon is it will still kill you.
>Tunnels
Something I had forgotten about, will agree that this would give the Norks quite a bit of an advantage. Provided the Sorks don't hear them coming (that's how they found some of the last few). Then again if a shooting war broke out the Norks could slip in during an arty barrage
>Cold war arty with enough firepower to flatten the western world
Again, no one reads the goddamn report.
http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/
Seoul and whatever of SK is in reach will suffer yes. Tens of thousands will die. But the Sorks can recover from that, and the Norks would feel return fire in short order.
>Fortification
Good points, also remember the South has been doing that for the same amount of time so a Southward push by the KPA is going to run into a hard time real fast. However I also have no doubt the Norks would give us hell if the US+Sorks tried to push in the opposite direction.
>Last point
True, but you can only go so far before what we have outclasses what they have. In pure street fights the Norks will have the best odds in local engagements but anything out of that then they're going to be having a real hard time.

>>32683847
Billboard in best Korea stating that best Korea is best korea of the two koreas.

>>32686070
Helical magazines actually

>>32679439
In a warped way, I can respect the fact that they've basically spent 50 years hardening themselves for a war and have told everyone to fuck off.

They have no real chance of winning a war. None. Zero. Even the best-case scenario for them probably involves China making them a literal protectorate state or an occupied nation like Nazi France, 100% dependent on Beijing for everything.

BUT. BUT. They could easily throw a wrench into the global system by just attacking Seoul. Meme or not (no, not all their arty can reach Seoul, and even if they concentrate arty it can be rather hard to concentrate that much without anyone noticing it), the devastation of Seoul would send economic shockwaves across the world, especially as people eye American and Chinese responses.

DPRK is extremely well poised to wage a guerilla war... assuming they have the logistics to hold out. This is their critical weakness. It's very difficult to imagine their soldiers being (frequently pictured) as relatively thin as they seem if they actually had large stockpiles of food; inevitably you would feed your own nation.

Loyalty is clearly passed down and strong, though it can be argued that many of their "special" forces are the most loyal. Like the SS, they may not be the "best", but simply are the ones who will commit any crime for the Dear Leader, and to the squeaky wheel goes the grease. It is likely the leadership is NOT loyal to the same extent, as they seem to have more global awareness, and so they may be led astray. IIRC, in Iraq the CIA paid off quite a few officers and stuff to simply defect. If North Korean officers are willing to sell their nation short to save themselves from an invincible juggernaut (which they may be) we could drastically increase the tempo at which we find caches, tunnels, and most importantly WMDs.

A North Korean insurgency could remain a hazard for a long time, and could result in a weird double-state system (1/2).

>>32686236
North Korea wouldn't be able to sustain a southbound push on land, though. US/Sork CAS would make quick work of any armor they send south, and they barely have enough fuel stockpiled to run their exercises. Besides that, any serious troop movement through tunnels would be picked up immediately and dealt with. There's a reason South Korea monitors seismic activity all along the DMZ. The only real threats are their artillery, which could be dealt with if we don't mind losing a few planes, and the fact that the majority of the country have been brainwashed since childhood to serve without question. It'd really just be a case of surrounding any ground incursion, bombing their artillery into the stone age, and then keeping the results of the ensuing political clusterfuck contained within the DPRK's borders.

>>32686416
And... that's exactly what I typed.

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>>32686381
http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/
bruh i've read that years ago.
YOU DIDNT READ IT

1% loss at a rate of about an hour. so without factoring in these guys have excavated entire mountain sides into bunkers with enough AA to repel anything but high altitude bombers.

thats still 2 or 3 solid days of Norks all out going for the gold.
sure they dont have any gas. they dont need it. its either decapitate the enemy and push them into the ocean or die fighting years later in the mountains of the homeland.

these guys arent a fucking joke. 2 or 3 days of operating at almost full capacity and they will wipe out anything within their reach. ROK marines excluded cause those niggers are almost as hard as Nork SF.

I'm just saying if you magically place N. Korea in the middle east, just attached it to Yemen or something.
They could steam roll everything but Iran and Israel from N. Africa to central Asia. I mean it. the only thing limiting them is airpower, but up against arab armies and airforces they could take over that entire region with unrestrained naked aggression in holy war of depopulation and bringing the everlasting love of dear leader to the entire middle east.

If Islam worldwide declared war on N. Korea my money would be on the Norks. no lie bruh.

>>32686444
double-state system where South Korea rules by default BUT there are random pockets of communist holdouts and villages that are still fanatically loyal, or made loyal by remnants. Remnants that have bunkers of food and/or ammo could theoretically just fake being farmers, wait for the USA to pass them by, then pick up the AKs to start resisting. The Taliban did this exact thing after some early defeats.

It's extremely hard to get an accurate view of the mindset of the most opaque nation on Earth, and as such the post-war situation will be highly speculative. One thing is for certain, WMDs will be the no. 1 priority, followed by other WMDs and high end equipment like MANPADS. The last thing we need is a "refugee" fishing trawler loaded with old Soviet MANPADS to show up in the Mid East and start popping air-planes, or some 90's-tier "Soviet Surplus Sale 2: Pyongyang Boogaloo" size caches making appearances in conflict zones all over.

If we are lucky, the Norks only have enough supplies to maintain a large-scale mechanized force for a month tops. If the USAF and USN/USNAF do their job right and blow up some strategic depots and supply yards, then maybe they will start to peter out before that. If we are VERY lucky, their stuff is so old and poorly maintained it barely works (iirc, the arty thrown at that SK island had like a 1/3 dud rate).

>>32686236
I wouldn't be particularly surprised if we could easily disrupt NK communications and command/control abilities both at the national and battlefield level desu. I do feel most of your other comments are valid.

>>32686531
Pakistan has nukes

>>32686531
Your money would be on the Norks even though they have half a continent between them and the nearest Muslim population of any significant size (i.e. central China and SE Asia) ? That's fucking dumb. In the conditions you described where the DPRK was relocated to the Arab peninsula, maybe, but on the Korean peninsula? No.

>>32686547
meant to say Nuclear weapons and material would be the no. 1 priority.

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>>32686466
>US/Sork CAS would make quick work of any armor
they arent dependent on armor. also I disagree. also their entire strategy has been to counter CAS.
> any serious troop movement through tunnels would be picked up immediately and dealt with
no. any serious troop movement would be fucking steamrolling. the entire DMZ is just a speed bump. you know that right?

I'm pretty sure the thousand plus N Korean saboteurs that have already infiltrated and are wreaking havoc across the entire country and devastating anything vulnerable before the hostilities are gonna tie up a lot of resources.

I just cant stand this thinking. militarily speaking there have been hundreds of wars and battles where the other side was all but guaranteed victory. then shit goes down and a serious and devoted enemy wipes the floor with technologically superior force.

just youtube videos of cats chasing off bears man.

>>32686570
well come on ok. they stop at Iran then. but you know what I mean. these are hard fucking savages.

you could give a couple hundred /k/ posters here access to the entire Devgru armory and put them up against 2 dozen Delta guys just armed with Fudd weapons and the outcome isn't certain. I lean towards the Delta operators but then again never doubt kommandos.

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>>32686531
>That's still 2 or 3 solid days of the Norks steamrolling
I look forward to watching the Sorks push their northern cousins back over the border after a few days. The further the Norks move from the DMZ, the further they move from their air cover. Into a country they know next to nothing about inhabited by a people that are nothing alike. Even if buy some miracle they push through Seoul they ain't getting much farther than that. I will concede that you got me on the report but the fact of the matter is at the most the KPA can manage one glorious short blitzkrieg before all hell comes down on them. I have no doubt about the fanaticism of the Norks or their ability to deal with hardship. Only that even superhumans have limits. If they came close to breaking in the 90's (and they came damn close) without us lifting a finger I don't see them lasting more than a few months top in a shooting war.
>>32686547
>remnants that have bunkers of food
>bunkers of food
While I know for a fact the KPA likes to hide a fuckload of the food that comes into Best Korea they still don't have that much of it. A strategy such as you described would be viable, but only for a relatively short amount of time.

>>32686634
except we aren't talking about just some "technologically superior force" here. This isn't "Nazis vs England". This isn't "Nazis vs the Soviet Union". This is "1939 Poland vs the 1970s Soviet Union"-tier.


I also call into question their ability to resist CAS when we are about to field a very potent stealth fighter with god-tier sensors that will work over-time to take out much of their AA net other than guns. Their biggest threat is to apaches and other helicopters, not to the USAF proper. Libya had a pretty solid AA net too, until it didnt. We have more experience Wild Weaseling than they do counter-wild weaseling

>>32686634
>wow Joe TWO bayonets??

>>32686684
>implying the Delta's won't eat the cum brownies and get /k/ube aids


You did say the entire muslim world man, that's Pakistan too.

But lets assume no nukes, I would seriously question their ability to cover that much land. Military prowess aside, that's a logistical nightmare. We can do it, but we've also spent 70 years of being a super power to do so. I don't think the Norks have it in them to cover that much land, and I doubt they'd have the occupying-prowess to even effectively hold it. Plus they'd have to island-hop into Indonesia, and I don't think they can do that.

I don't think they are skeletons who will instantly cave, but I do think they aren't capable of super-human endurance via loyalty-buffs.

>>32686685
I never said it would last long, it would last them for MAYBE a year depending on how much food they had, how many insurgents they were feeding, and what they could squeeze out of any still-fanatical locals.

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>>32686585
okay howabout we take the entire military of DPRK and put it on one side of Australia.

then we take the entire militaries of every predominantly islamic country in the world and put it on the other side.

now remove the entire population of australia so they just have a empty battleground with nothing in the way.

who wins /k/? dear leader vs a billion jihadis?

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>>32686634
>the thousand plus N Korean saboteurs
Alright know this is getting a little ridiculous. They stopped most of that shit towards the end of the cold war when the technological/standard of living differences became extremely apparent. Most Norks have next to zero understanding of how their Southern counterparts live or how they interact with each other (Northerners and Southerners already have different dialects which are almost their own languages at this point). A Northern infiltrator would have to be extremely fucking determined if they're surrounded by so much good shit in the south to still be loyal to the Kims. Furthermore, SK counter-intelligence has spent decades perfecting the art of locating Norks trying to get in, and they've gotten damned good at this.
>They aren't dependent on armor
No, but even streams of infantry will be noticeable

Also despite all of this you seem to keep disregarding the ROK as a fighting force. While they might not be dogmatically loyal to an all-powerful leader or have to go through as many hardships, they've still drilled and trained for this sort of thing for decades. Also, have you read about the shit the ROK pulled in Vietnam? They didn't fuck around then, they still don't today. That doesn't mean I expect the guys at the border to hold off the entire Nork army, nor does it mean that I expect them to completely halt the Nork advance within the first couple days. It does mean that after the initial period of the Nork invasion, there will be a few million (when reserves are called up) pissed of Sorks champing at the bit to throw their stunted northern brethren back across the DMZ.

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>>32679439
>my RPG is too heavy
>I'm hungry
>if I miss a step, Glorious Leader will have me executed
>Qin Chi Peng is in front of me
>I don't like Qin Chi Peng
>my feet hurt
>do these losers even satisfy the will of Glorious Leader?
>I'm hungry

>>32686836
>Qin Chi Peng
You have your cultures mixed up.

>>32685845
jesus fuck, they still use the Malyutka?
That shit is ancient, inaccurate and ineffective against modern tanks

>>32686818
2 things. I guarantee they have deep cover guys there right now and have for decades.

and I'm talking about SF/black ops guys mobilizing through the woods and showing up in towns all over South. I bet they have safe houses all over there already.

but If the Norks ever really committed to it, the first thing they do is a few months before shit goes down they would send hundreds or maybe even thousands of guys trickling through the border, or even ROWING across the ocean and setting up shop all over S. Korea.
honestly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid

read this guys. try not to fall in love. oh and the one guy that made it back alive? he was a 4 star fucking general.

>>32686873
It seems to be working well enough in Syria against jets on the ground, clusters of enemy personnel at checkpoints, and Turkish Leopards.. Russia uses them against lightly armored and unarmored vehicles, as well. It's not completely useless.

This is a minority viewpoint but it needs to be said. The Norks read our newspapers, and we read theirs. Thats why S.K. and U.S. papers heavily feature Nork failures, and unverifiable accounts of starvation above and beyond whats actually possible.

Their economy was bigger than the Souths up till the 80's and the famines have been over for decades already. The fact that its still reported is disinfo. We want them to think their government is still hiding reports about pockets of starvation when in reality all the satellite photos of "concentration camps" are simple Soviet style collective farms.

Their missiles work fine, and when the navy reports that they "fell into the ocean" its a cover story for "we shot it down" because we want them to think their missiles suck, and we don't want to alarm the Japanese they keep shooting missiles at.

But going back to the fake news, we can't really retract it at this point. They have reason to believe that if the U.S. ever does invade, party loyalists will be hanged for crimes against humanity for the concentration camps that are probably not real. So, their backs will be up against the wall. We put them in a position where they will fight if it ever comes to a shooting war.

Their tanks and jets are shit, but concrete is cheap. Looking at google maps at their coast, I saw dozens of fortified bunkers. We could drop bombs all day against them, and it would end up like Stalingrad if the U.S. ever decided to take Pyongyang.

>>32685230

Maybe the Norks would end up turning into a generation of blue collar workers in the south?

>>32686895
its the 49th anniversary of the blue house raid today. cool.

>>32686895
The majority of the Sork casualties were civilians on a bus that drove through the crossfire. Top tier operating, right there. And here's your elite infiltrators getting stuck in sand and fishing nets.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Sokcho_submarine_incident
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Gangneung_submarine_infiltration_incident
The ones that made it into the south have probably given up and decided to live normal lives with instant noodles and cell phones in the South.

>>32686859
Chinese, Japanese, Korean knees, more rice please.

>>32687000
fuck you thats still pretty operator.
"hey private chung hee. get over here."
"yeah boss"
"takes this knife, jump in the ocean, swim 15 miles South, when you get there live off the land until you find this army base, observe the base until you figure out where the base commander lives, then break into his house at night and butcher his entire family"
"okay boss, what about after that?"
"work your way back North and report to the nearest service personnel you see"
"gotcha"
puts knife between teeth and jumps into the ocean

these guys are Isis level fanaticism without the complete sand nigger retardation. sorry they dont have sattelites and a command center backing them up live.

>>32687000
>Of the 25 North Korean infiltrators, one was captured, 11 were killed by the other members for failure in responsibility of running aground of the submarine
>11 were killed or failure in responsibility

damn son. that's fucking nuts.

>>32687148
yeah they shot all the submariners on the mission to prevent them from surrendering.

god a few years ago when there were rumors of Norks in Syria I would have cut off my left pinky to see an entire cargo ship of Nork SF reinforcements sent to Syria. having those animals unleashed on chechens would have been the greatest blessing of war the earth had seen in almost 60 years.

>>32686895
The Blue House Raid was several decades ago, you act like nothing's changed at all regarding how the Sorks can spot a Nork a mile away.
>>32686921
>This entire post
I didn't know North Koreans posted on this board. Tell me, do you have proof of all this disinfo? Because unless the defectors are all operating on the same fucking wavelength shit hasn't been going well in Best Korea for a couple decades.

>>32687195
>>32687104
And today I learned there are Best Koreaboos on /k/, unironically.

>>32685155
I am more inclined to believe a 1980's air strike on Libya troll.

Flying C-130 at high altitude with all the fancy jammers, flares, chaff, and decoys.

The entire AAA network goes DefCon 1 and shoots, illuminates, and tracks.

The C-130 records, tracks, identifies, and pinpoints the AAA sites and classifies them.

This information is uplinked and B-1B bombers are fed targeting data while inbound from Guam.

NK populace suffers casualties and fires or destruction initially from AAA ordnance falling back to earth.

See Reagan era strike on Libya (Lockerbie) for details.

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>>32679439

NK is hard gay.

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>>32687281
honestly its just me and one other guy. but if you read up on them you'll come around. I mean dont buy into the propaganda but go halfway in and realize in the practical sense there is a reason they can fucking extort the entire world into playing along with them. still it pains me to think I will never see them go off the leash in my lifetime. what a fucking waste of pure warrior devotion. just admire the fucking purity of those maniacs. also its the streisand effect. the huge propaganda/disinfo they are paper tiger narrative the US army spews, vs the hype train they put up against Iraq and Libya as war machines.

there's very few middle ground reports floating around out there but if you can find them all the troop competency stuff speaks really highly of even just the conscripts with sks's and bicycles.
the last real uniformed army on the chopping block. there's a reason nobody wants some with them.
I mean really if you had to choose between fighting on the ROK side during a shooting war with Norks or as some faction in the Syrian war (whichever) what would you choose?

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>>32687148
On 25 June the submarine was salvaged from a depth of approximately 100 feet (30 m) and the bodies of 9 crewmen were recovered, 5 sailors had apparently been murdered while 4 agents had apparently committed suicide.[5] The presence of South Korean drinks suggested that the crew had completed an espionage mission.[6] Log books found in the submarine showed that it had infiltrated South Korean waters on a number of previous occasions.[7]

they do it all damn day american piggu

they could put a dent in whatever comes close enough.
their entire strategy is to get in close. ROK and US have all the reach in the world and they know it. So they dont wanna stand up boxing match they wanna get in fast and shoot a double leg with all the power they have.
check this out.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/graphics/graphic-north-koreas-conventional-arms

>>32687266
Hard proof I don't have, but some reporters have mentioned how the debriefings the Norks are given when they get into the South make their stories suspect. The mentions of camps and their brutality are too consistent to not be a plant.

And they're not firing inert rockets at Japan. How would that make any sense? Those are fully functional rockets, capable of carrying a few hundred pounds of explosives. They never reach their destination because we shoot them down.

>>32685735
>>32685799
Thats a paraglider, you can see it from the shalpe of the wingprofile, and from the strings and the brakes. Its probably from commercial produce. Even some western contries doesnt have the ability to produce technical textile.

>>32686236
>you
Where the fuck are you from?

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>>32687266
>Tell me, do you have proof of all this disinfo?
Not him but I've seen dozens of concentration camps in USA: they're called "prisons"...
Disinformation is often just a way to rephrase reality.

>>32685731

Didn't they cut out all the references to Marxism and Communism from the official party line in 2010? NK is truly a wonderful place.

>>32685702
>Daily reminder that the DPRK is the last remaining fascist state on the planet
Ehh, I disagree, there are more authoritarian governments out there in Southeast Asia that sre democratic by name (See Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea [Especially the recent scandal the Sorks had]). You could say that North Korea is more of a Necrodynasty Communist society, but they're definitely not the last authoritarian state, another example is Burma as well.

>>32688188
the problem is, even getting up close wont stop the pummeling of rear echelon, command, and support forces via air/sea support. At best they can kill a million Sorks before the US can stop them effectively, but the moment they go full-stupid and start a shooting war is the beginning of the end for the Kim dynasty

>>32686236
Hi Kim, now go bak to China you fucking gook

>>32686236
I remember basically the same talk about Iraq before Gulf War one, but this didnt safe em either.

>>32688360
>they all report similar things
>must be a plant

Or, just maybe, those are things that actually happened, hence why they report the things that happened. While I do think we are getting a colored version of what's going on in the Hermit Kingdom (since these are all defectors I doubt they have an unbiased opinion) I'm not exactly surprised that a totalitarian Asian dynasty would be so cruel to their own people, as it is a long standing communist and asian dictator tradition to gulag/murder/brutalize your people with impunity and a callousness that exceeds any basic human decency.

As far as the rockets, we don't know their actual effectiveness. Putting a warhead =/= a functional guidance system. Guidance is VERY difficult from a computing standpoint (very fast decisions have to be made maneuver-wise in the face of very difficult variable effects). The Nazis had reliable rockets, yet they couldn't get guidance systems worth a damn.

North Korea quite possibly does launch semi-functional missiles as a way to build leverage for aid negotiations, ie., "we will stop launching rockets if you give us food". Doesn't matter if they have a warhead, a pumpkin, or just a bag of sand in the front, the deliberate provocation is the important part. They don't need to prove the rockets work (since they are capable of launching them, clearly), so it's not like they get a lot of data out of launching the same things over and over. The military also tends to launch during certain holidays/patriotic days/show off to Party members, so this would indicate a largely political motive to the launches rather than an actual scientific/military benefit.

It's pure and simple sabre-rattling to coerce and instill panic.

>>32684766
>stockpile food
>population still starves
Communism never ceases to amaze.

>>32683756
You clearly don't know much about stealth bombers or napalm. There's no way to move that much napalm even with the entire US bomber fleet. Incendigel isn't some wonder weapon with a blast radius suitable for destroying crops. It's nice for washing infantry off an area you want to occupy without craters hindering your advance though.

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>>32681475
>Most troops would probably lose their fighting capabilities after a day, maybe half a week max.

I haven't read any in awhile, but some analysis I read years ago noted they would need two or three thousand trucks to keep an offensive campaign into SK fed and armed for a week. That's a lot of trucks to not get blown up.

>>32679439
>their military capabilities,
Close to zero
>their equipment, their technology,
Shit, except nuclear forces which are in surprisingly good shape.
You, guys, forgot that DRPK was bombed into stone age by US/UN in Korean war. They destroyed EVERYTHING to the point when airforce send message to command "there is nothing left for us to bomb". And that is despite that IN THAT TIME DRPK was democratic regime and South Korea - dictatorship. After that, DRPK turned into country with PTSD. Everything they do is a way to prevent forced change of government and "humanitarian bombings". Or at least they see things that way.

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>>32683756
I like how you think.

>>32685615
>>32685668

Those tanks are clearly T-62 derivates. The driver is on the right side when viewed from the front, the gun is 115mm and it still has IR illuminator so no proper night sights.

>>32685155
The US has a bomb shortage (tooling up to make more takes time) and our NATO allies have to borrow ordnance to drop on Syria. We lack vast quantities of bunker busters but should be able to JDAM many arty emplacements.

Any offensive would be canalized by terrain and a heavily mined border. Moving infantry is one thing, but vehicles would die.

Shelling Seoul would use up munitions on civilians but have little military impact. Civilians are expendable and don't contribute to the war effort in a short nation-state war.

>>32686778
>Australia
>who wins /k/? dear leader vs a billion jihadis?

The wildlife.

>>32686818
>While they might not be dogmatically loyal to an all-powerful leader or have to go through as many hardships
I think they're going to be pretty patriotic though.

Although there is national service, they're not going to roll over for Norks, they know what kind of a shit-show Best Korea is and they have friends and families to defend.

>>32686895
>I guarantee they have deep cover guys there right now and have for decades.
Those guys will go native, or just defect. Actually getting to the south is its own red pill in a way that /pol/ could only dream of. Defectors have breakdowns when they enter supermarkets because they can't handle the freedom to buy whatever they want or the prosperity that means that they can. Granted, these spies would be somewhat trained for that, probably sent on tours of Chinese shopping malls or shit (more or less identical to the West) and they'd have to be from inner circles of the party to be trusted out of the country but also so that they'd be ignorant of the poverty in the north. But they'd still learn about it and they'd pretty soon see that their indoctrination was propaganda and it only takes one to defect for the operation to be blown and the south to start looking for them.

There might be some true believers here and there and some false defectors but they're a very small minority and the operation will be blown by the ones that defect as above.

>try not to fall in love
I think you already did that.

>>32687266
>the Sorks can spot a Nork a mile away
They're the ones without the latest Samsung Note X

>>32690271
>there are more authoritarian governments out there in Southeast Asia that sre democratic by name
There are certainly authoritarian governments in SEA that are democract in name (only, sometimes).
But NONE of them are MORE authoritarian than Nork. China is less authoritarian than Nork.

>>32686818
>While they might not be dogmatically loyal to an all-powerful leader or have to go through as many hardships
I wouldn't question ROK SF's morale.

Operation Paul Bunyan
>Several of the special forces men also had claymore mines strapped to their chests with the firing mechanism in their hands, and were shouting at the North Koreans to cross the bridge

Fuck with those guys if you like.

>>32679439
I'm hungry

>>32679439
OP, why wouldn't you include the wiki link to the DPRK Korean People's Army??

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Army


Also, the DPRK-KPA is one of few nations to field fucking LASER HMG's!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZM-87

(yes it's for blinding the enemy, both eyeballs & electronic optical sensors, and banned by UN Treaty..but they class it as a HMG support weapon, doing 5 pulses per second, at 15 Watts, in two wave lengths, capable of fucking shit up at 5km, tripod mounted with scope)

>>32683847
Or you could take your /pol/ bullshit back to /pol/ if you don't feel like contributing to the discussion at hand.

>>32690267
They were never very Communist to begin with, it was mostly talk to get backing from the Chinese.

>>32690271
>Necrodynasty Communist society
I'm not seeing much of a class or state less society when looking at the DPRK. They're no Communists by any stretch of the imagination.

>>32690739
See above.

>>32679439
Ths U.S. got their ass kicked in Korea back when they were dirt farmers vs battle hardened WWII vets, what makes you think the U.S. would win this time vs the "safe space" generation?

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>>32693560
Well the point was stop saying dumb shit.

Hello, I'm Earth. Have we met?

>>32693784
>Ass kicked in Korea
After the Chinese intervened, and for a short time. When it was just the DPRK, we fucked their entire military in months and annihilated almost all of their heavy equipment.
>Battle hardened WW2 vets
A large chunk of our guys that went over in the first couple months to Korea were guys that were too young to see service in WW2. 5 years may not seem like a long time but a lot of the guys who'd been in WW2 were at this point out of the military.
>>32690223
So all of the accounts of the various gulags/concentration camps by defectors/various policies by the Nork gov't to throw you and your family's ass in jail are all part of a vast conspiracy to conceal the fact that Best Korea is a jolly little paradise? Wow, really got me there.
>>32688360
>Camps and brutality are too consistent
The Norks were hard on their own guys even as far back as the Korean War, and knowing authoritarian Asian governments its well within the realm of possibility for camps for politically unreliable people to be present within Best Korea. As for defectors being plants, I find that highly fucking unlikely since very few if any have ever voluntarily gone back, and many try their damndest to gtfo while taking massive risks to do so. The Sork intelligence agencies keep tabs on these guys, and they already stick out like a sore thumb in South Korea. Therefore I don't see how the theory that defectors are all part of a massive operation to place plants in the South could hold up.

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>>32685932
tfw need one of those mags

>>32686836
>Qin Chi Peng
chinese name

>>32695176
it should be something like Kwan Chi-Park or some shit

>>32685155

Those containers look like ATGMs... but no guidance system to see.
They might be SAMs, but the containers don't look like it.

What the fuck is that?

Also I'd kill for a North Korean AK74 with the helical magazine.

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Don't know about you guys, but I never take any enemy lightly, even if they're weak (perceived).
We don't know what the fuck is in North Korea, what they're hiding, and what they could potentially have there.
>estimated population of 24,895,000
>estimated 1,190,000 active personnel
>assumed that a lot of the extra 23,705,000 will be conscripted immediately in the event of a full scale war
It would be hell. Like the Vietnam War on steroids with elements of Operation Downfall + we'd be freezing our balls off up there.

Honestly... I'm scared as fuck that the future holds a full on Second Korean War. Sure we'd probably win in the end, but not without a heavy price to pay in our blood. I don't think China and Russia would allow us to blockade their northern borders so we can starve them out either.

>>32693641
>They're no Communists by any stretch of the imagination
Neither is China by that definition.

>>32695661
>but not without a heavy price to pay in our blood
Sorks would pay a heavy price, US wouldn't.

There would be losses but not excessively so. The modern USA army doesn't do trench warfare, they have CAS etc to flush out anyone in entrenched positions which means that the enemy can march into gunfire like WWII, endlessly retreat or give up. I think there would be mass desertion and defection once it was clear that the USA/Sorks were rolling in, same as Gulf War 2. Authoritarian regimes don't do well when they're against the wall because they only really have the support of a minority of society.

>>32695661
>We don't know what the fuck is in North Korea, what they're hiding, and what they could potentially have there.
We have an entire department of the military that does nothing but stare at north korea 24/7 and record every single fucking gnat that farts north of the DMZ.

We know where literally everything is.

>>32681475
Food shortage is the biggest one. A malnourished army is going to have significantly reduced fighting capacity.

>>32690739
I don't actually think they do, based on the reports that individual army units are often farming and raising cattle on land they control.

Something I recently heard from a defector (some youtube video) was that the DPRK lacks farming machinery, and much is done by hand; so much so that cows are considered prized state property (Your entire family dies if you kill a cow, even accidentally, pretty much).

If fuel is such a problem, They should be shooting for 1940s level mechanization. Steam powered industry and machinery. They're not exactly wanting for Iron and Coal, and it would increase their crop yields. There's other weird factors too:

http://38north.org/2010/05/why-north-korea-could-feed-itself/

I'm going with central planning just sucks when it comes to organizing farms, and that's why the DPRK has hardly any food.

When was the last time the DPRK could've seriously taken on the South and USFK? Sometime in the early 80s?

>>32696721
>We have an entire department of the military
>We

Some people that aren't us do all that, we still don't know shit.

>>32696721
We have signals intel, but that's half of the equation. North Korea is a black hole for HUMINT.

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http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/modern/North_Korea/Pokpung-ho.php

HAHAHAHAHA KOKSAN
DERE'S SAN IN ME KOK ONII-CHAN HURRRR

They'd get crushed in conventional warfare but the guerilla game be insane nigga

>>32697411
>They'd get crushed in conventional warfare but the guerilla game be insane nigga
Meh, there would be cadres in villages and shit but they'd probably be lynched by the village once it was clear that the regime was gone.

A few loyalist villages would hold out but they wouldn't be hidden, they'd be obvious.

I really don't think Nork would be as guerilla as you think. The real reason is that there would be a transitional government run by Sorks using locals, repatriated Nork defectors and pre-DMZ families so it's the same ethnic group running things, no religious or ethnic divides, it would be far more like German unification than post-war Iraqi insurgency.

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>>32686236
>lookup the blue house thing and the mini sub guys of which none were taken alive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Gangneung_submarine_infiltration_incident

Are you talking about one of the most incompetent military mission ever under taken?

2 taken alive btw

Also:

>Hi Kim

>>32697528
>2 taken alive btw
One alive, one escaped. Unless you mean the guy that was captured but suicided immediately.

>>32697528
>Gangneung_submarine
>>32686895
>Blue_House_raid

It really sucks being a Nork sailor. Anything goes wrong and you all get executed on the spot. No, we'll try and fix this, or we'll steal some boats and sail them back, just everyone assemble on deck, get shot in head by the SFs.

>>32686922
>Maybe the Norks would end up turning into a generation of blue collar workers in the south?
Probably.

The South already does a bunch of manufacturing in a DMZ industrial campus, that would expand all over the north and be run by southern managers.

It would probably create some sort of blue state/red state divide but it would gradually resolve some poverty issues.

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>>32695449
I'm guessing SAMs of some sort, either SA-7/14s or something homegrown. The Norks like to stick SAMs on everything, which isn't entirely a bad idea.

>>32695449
>no guidance system to see
Self guided presumably, unless they're directional dumbfire for bombardment.

>>32698508
>The Norks like to stick SAMs on everything, which isn't entirely a bad idea.
Especially in the age of drone strikes and CAS.

Are IR self-guided SAMs a thing? Doesn't seem like it should be really hard though those tubes look pretty small.

>>32698629
>Are IR self-guided SAMs a thing
Of course they are, that's why you see those clips of cargo planes landing in Baghdad dropping flares at night.

>>32695449
>They might be SAMs, but the containers don't look like it
They could conceivably be the Chinese HN-5B or something based on it. Assume the trigger mechanisms are rotated so as to be in the mount, between the two tubes. The sights look about right, FWIW.

That's assuming it's not just dumbfire rockets.

>>32681475
The north korean army loses several thousand casualties every year to /winter/

>>32696170

Norks have 2000 large SAMs, and over 15,000 MANPADs. This is not a trivial problem.

>>32700101
The manpads aren't going to be much use against high-altitude strikes, laser guided jdam will do fine for CAS. BRRRRRRRRRRRRT would be less safe though.

Large SAM sites aren't mobile and can be identified and destroyed with stand-off weapons, stealth bombers, HARMd etc, even arty, there's a lot of them but they're not that big an issue. Even the mobile launchers aren't *that* mobile, they can be tracked by satellite and scheduled for destruction. It's Libya on a larger scale with lower tech weapons.

Gunships will have more trouble but a lot of those MANPADs are going to be older ones that are vulnerable to flares, CAS Apaches etc won't be able to get complacent but they have the counter-measures if they're paying attention. They'll only be in trouble if they treat Norks like Taliban.

You could use a drone to locate and designate MANPADs and use laser guided artillery or something, I have no idea if that's a thing but it ought to be. If not, a combination of drones to locate and sat to GPS target ought to give arty enough for fairly precise bombardment.

A fixed trench/bunker just has too many solutions to its destruction. So where can you place your MANPADs other than urban environments?

Mountains are too exposed to the solutions above so swamps and forests are kind of it for non-urban ambushes. Both are more or less vulnerable to night-time IR targeting so the advantage is again with the high-tech forces.

Urban environments...

>>32700220
Urban environments are a bigger issue but leaving them to Sorks to deal with means that the population are way friendlier and there are no communication issues. The average peasant will happily shop the party officials and loyalist soldiers to the Sorks (assuming they don't already know where they are from high-altitude surveillance) so the problem is really only cities that are too large for everyone to know everyone. The capital as 11% of the population (2.5mil), the next biggest city has 700k and it drops fast after that.

This means that the urban warfare will be far more Vietnam than Baghdad again. Hamlets and moderate sized towns will be the standard and it will be possible for Sorks, either embedded with US or their own units, to gather intelligence from outlying peasants as they approach a municipality and locate and siege buildings with cadres holed up.

The greatest barrier will be convincing the locals that the end of the regime is happening and that won't be so hard with Sorks surrounding their towns. Because it's such a bureaucratic society and because immigration between population centres is tightly controlled, if the NSA can get their hands on the census/household registries (every town will have one but it might be pre-emptively destroyed, a central DB would be more reliable), they'll also know who belongs in what town and the Sorks can do a rolecall on each town and pick out the cadres and plants. Some will be genuine inhabitants loyal to the regime but once a town is searched and largely disarmed, the locals can lynch any remaining trouble makers and a squad of Sorks can back them up if need be.

Justice could be pretty rough in those liberated towns but it's not going to be the internecine warfare of Arab countries.

>>32679439
Their fighting capability is almost irrelevent. The war would be effectively over as soon as NK runs out of food and/or diesel.

They rely on a steady drip of foreign aid even during peacetime. Wartime would bleed them dry in weeks if not days.

While their logistic limitations will keep them from fighting any conventional battles, mopping up the country and clearing the mountains and countless tunnels would be a fucking nightmare.

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There is no shortage in North Korea! Of anything! Everything is fine!

>>32685869
With old actual kneepads and not the integrated ones I remember only wearing one because they used to dig in loads or would drop from not being tight enough, and you only needed to have one when taking a knee anyway, if anything I think it may have made it worse
Them ones that are integrated that we get nowadays are goat, wish I had them when I was in

>>32685869
>mostly to show off
NK military in four words.

>>32687195
I would have loved to see a Chechen Islamist piece of shit execute some young nork who're crying for his mothers with a rusty knife, that'd take me straight back to my childhood watching poor starving Russian kids getting beheaded

>>32687703
Kys deluded moron, you and that other spastic nork lover, the world mocks their shithole country while it feebly rattles it's rusty sabre, while meekly starving to death and relying on the people it threatens

>>32687703
>the last real uniformed army on the chopping block. there's a reason nobody wants some with them.

The reason is that after the short war is over you have to deal with tens of millions of starving, indoctrinated peasants.

No one wants to deal with that. Not China, not SKorea.

>>32697082
Never, the only reason it even exists at all is because of China savings its ass, as one god damn chink hating nuke loving lying sack of shit US general that couldn't just fucking stop instead of wanting nuclear war and North Korea wouldn't exist

>>32695661
If the Norks go rogue we're nuking Pyongyang. Communist states are singularly vulnerable to decapitation strikes.

>>32701506
>tens of millions
2.5 * 'tens of millions'
It's a smaller population than you think. China has cities that size. Worst Korea has twice the population.

It also tells you something about Chinese 'communism' I guess but that's not for this thread.

>>32701539
>as one god damn chink hating nuke loving lying sack of shit US general that couldn't just fucking stop instead of wanting nuclear war and North Korea wouldn't exist
I'm not entirely sure what that sentence was supposed to say but you might be interested to know that Nixon order a tacnuke on Nork but got talked out of it by Kissinger.

Nixon was more or less bipolar and it was worse when he drank which was often. He got really, really drunk a lot, often late at night and when something went down while he was drunk, he'd order nukes or invasions or blackops. Usually, the joint chiefs would wait till he sobered up and 'request confirmation'.

>When North Korea shot down a US spy plane in April 1969, an enraged Nixon allegedly ordered a tactical nuclear strike and told the joint chiefs to recommend targets.
He was drunk of course and Kissinger got the joint chiefs to wait till morning and ask for confirmation.

>>32701632
I meant to give the link:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38651623

>>32685731

They named their CZ clone after a Tekken character? Weird.

>>32701632
He was probably talking about MacArthur

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Don't belive in everything the media says.

>>32694711

>The guy running over people
>The stock sound effects
>Random elbow dropping of tiles

So, when does Kung Pow: Enter North Korea come out?

>>32704045
Zero cars on the road. Zero cars in parking lots.

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>>32705127

Zero people.

That shit would creep me the fuck out, man.

>>32705127
>>32705159
why have roads if there are no cars though?
im confused

>>32704045
where are all the cars and people?
do people actually live in those buildings?
is the city just for show?

>>32705185

Can't have a city without roads, man. I mean, a city with no people still needs roads to look legit.

>>32705193

Ding ding ding. They built it, made it fucking big for...no reason, really. I mean, I guess they want people to think it's inhabited by happy-go-lucky people or something.

>>32704045
>don't believe everything the media says
>trust tinhorn government propaganda

>>32685731
They forgot to list the Ja Mo Matig.

>>32686818
The thing these norks do is use your family as leverage over you. You defect or do anything that is not good in their eyes and little Ban Kwok is getting a new brain decoration.

>>32704045
Kind of ironic that they don't have anything to feed their subjects with, but still decide to build retardedly big buildings and cities that have no function in any way.

Norks have the budgeting skills of a crack addict.

>>32685822
That's a Russian alright

>>32683703
Nearly all of it is awfully outdated but, man, that is a lot of dakka.

>>32705550
People have defected regardless. There have been Nork servicemen and fighter pilots who jumped the border knowing full well most of everyone they knew was going to die. Its that bad. Even then the culture shock alone is enough to fuck the brain of almost every Nork.

>>32705965
But but but... muh Juche!

>>32705982
I mean people will still adhere to that to the point of death, but starting in the 90's people began to realize that the state and the Kim family weren't going to save their asses if things went to hell in a handbasket, hence the first wave of defectors.

>>32685702
>last remaining fascist state
No, just the closest any has ever come to being genuinely "totalitarian".

>>32706549
Or the only one being so retarded blatant about it. If you think about it, every society is totalitarian. If you do not ascribe to their morals and ideas, you're fucked. Same goes with DPRK

>>32686778
well, for starters you'd have massive islamic infighting in your magic little scenerio

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>>32679439
The DPRK military is better then many people give it credit for. That is not to say that it is a match for US or ROK forces but it does have real capabilities, namely keeping the Kims in power by deterring an invasion.

The big asset the DPRK has is the nuclear and missile forces. They have tested five weapons so far, to assume that they do not having at least one ready for use would be the high of folly. Furthermore they have a large and rather advanced force of short and medium range missiles. This force is capable of inflicting serve damage to bases in Korea.

The Air Force is a joke but DPRK planning calls for missile strikes on airfields to help neutralize the US/ROK advantage and then rely on passive measures. As for the effectiveness of said passive measures remember that the DPRK had observers in Iraq during Southern/Northern Watch as well as during 2003. Furthermore the shear number of target sites in NK would slow down the pace of an air campaign significantly.

Infantry weapons including ATGM and MANPADS are decent, better then what Iraqi fielded in 1991 and 2003, and when used defensively are able to cause some level of attrition, even against s modern US forces.

>tl;dr
>nukes
>fuck-ton of targets
>infantry arms good enough
>good enough to make an invasion costly

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>>32686895
what the fuck did i just read.
i appreciated your counter balance to the status quo, even though i disagreed with some.
but you have now crossed the line into completely fucking delusional

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Bumping with a bit more Nork stuff.

>>32687195
its not rumors there was/is? about a company sized detachment of norks there. its an arty unit + some officers who speak dune runes. ive seen a couple of pictures of them.

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>>32707115
greatest threats Norks are able to field against conventional forces
>1. Nukes but now sneaky nukes also
>2. Arty in every form imaginable
>3. Every single viable target getting hit by Nork operatives behind the lines before the shooting starts

read some threat reports about the Norks operating in S. Korea. lotta guys stationed near air fields, they have a plan for the highways that are to be turned into air fields after that. not to mention most supply lines and anything soft would be getting dealt with until they were hunted down and killed.

look it up. they can kidnap and recon and operate all over S. Korea as much as they want and S. Korea, CIA say it's impossible to even get one scrap of HUMINT out of North Korea.

>>32707325
there were some dudes there but never boots on the ground out there gutting sub humans.

they were mainly observers so the officers could get some time in when they shipped some stuff over to Assad.

>>32707325
I remember something about a chink artillery crew iirc, but never heard bout norks there, wouldn't be shocked though

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This guys must be some sort of super leet operator to have all these medals.

>>32708251
lunch buffet

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I feel bad for the horses.

>>32707872
you know you'd think id save the fucking pictures but i guess i didnt, or theyre unnamed in my mass of 9000 pictures. idk what the arty actually did, i heard it was training but who knows and the officers just glad handed syrian leadership/wounded. they also sent weapons and the laser range finders that are over the barrels of the tanks you see over there.

>>32705185
>>32705193
>>32705213
They probably ordered everyone off the roads and inside for the shot. Or the photo was taken when construction was complete but before it was opened to residents. I'd bet the former. There also aren't *that* many cars in the first place.

>>32705213
>inhabited by happy-go-lucky people
Best Korea does actually have happy-go-lucky people, they're the party elites and maybe Pyong-yang middle class. Those people live pretty happy lives and genuinely believe that all of Best Korea is as prosperous as the bubble they live in. They play in theme parks, walk in beautiful parks, use more-or-less modern technology and have plenty to eat.

>>32705598
>Kind of ironic that they don't have anything to feed their subjects with, but still decide to build retardedly big buildings and cities that have no function in any way.
It's not ironic, it's a way of managing that situation. It's 1) make work and 2)propaganda projects. Probably not in that order .

>Norks have the budgeting skills of a crack addict.
No, they have the priorities of a dictatorship that regards human failure as a deliberate act of betrayal and the weakest members of society as traitors undermining the glory of the state.

>The thing these norks do is use your family as leverage over you
That didn't come out of nowhere and wasn't invented by the Kims. It's a hold over from feudal Korea that maybe only really ended in WWII. In pre-modern Korea, which was pretty recent, your family status was elevated or lowered by the civil offices that the males obtained, particularly the patriarch of the family. The entire clan would suffer or benefit by the performance of the father and sons of the family. Mass punishments were always a thing.

>>32708371
He could conceivably be a veteran of the Korean war.
Alternatively, since a lot of those medals appear identical, maybe they give medals every time a sub comes back successfully from Sork waters? He could have been a captain of a spy sub or something.

Really, we'd need to know who he was.

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>>32708371
Each medal is for a subversive traitor he turned in. Once he turns in 20, he's allowed to eat a lobster.

>>32708817
How often do you think norks accidentally shoot eachother?

>>32685948
for those times where you have to hide in babbyshit green fields

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>>32708784

>>32708371
Most of them are probably some equivalent form to the Hero of Socialist Labor, Order of Lenin or Hero of the Soviet Union, in which case he probably had to do very little to earn most of them other than say "Excellent, Great Leader, I fully support all your decisions, and may I say, you're looking fantastic today." I only say so because he has so many duplicates.

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>>32708954
I'm guessing once in a while. I don't think they're that stupid, but you get enough guys like that and it will happen eventually.

>>32709029
Well I don't think they were paying much heed to trigger discipline or where their rifles were pointing in that pic
Wonder what their quality of training is like

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>>32708768
>They probably ordered everyone off the roads and inside for the shot. Or the photo was taken when construction was complete but before it was opened to residents. I'd bet the former. There also aren't *that* many cars in the first place.


>being this delusional
hate to dissapoint you those buildings are mostly, if not completely empty anon, i need to try and find the cartoon a french animator drew when he worked a stint in best korea

>>32708954
>How often do you think norks accidentally shoot eachother?
Not as often as they deliberately shoot each other. Executions for mission failure seem to be standard and summary.

In that environment, I bet a few officers get fragged too.

North korea's people are starving because they give it to the military.

They would be a terrifying foe and almost impossible uproot from their country, if it wasn't for their outdated equpiment. Although, they have NUKES which they would use at least one or two of on military targets.

>>32708954
They probably don't have enough ammo issued to them to shoot each other.

>>32708657
This image is often used to mock North Korea's military capabilities, but the whole point of tractors towing missile launchers is to demonstrate the entire country is militarized and invading Best Korea means every farmer will have MLRS in his barn.

>>32709150
I didn't know being a north koreaboo was a thing until this thread.

>>32709271
implying I said I liked anything about north korea

I just said that invading a prepared north korea would make Vietnam look like a cakewalk.

>>32711856
>InappropriateCamoflague.jpg
Do you think it's supposed to be jungle camoflague? They have helos in a similar pattern/shade.

>>32683949
THEY ARE LITERALLY ALL STARVING TO DEATH PEOPLE! THEY ARE NOT SCARY!

>>32711894
I have to admit those coats do look pretty nice.

>>32679439
I wonder if China would support NK again if there was a war. Like what would happen if a second Korean War started right now who would side with who?

>>32709150

>he think that nork farmers have tractors

You realize that amount of farm machinery in NK (per 1ha of farmable land) is lower than fucking Ethiopia and Democratc Republic of Congo?

Norks are stil using thousands of oxens and horses as working animals. Fuck, there's state enterprise that is making horseshoes, collars, bridles and shit for farmers.

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>>32709010
Does North Korea still make a version of PPS-43s?

>>32705185
It's one of those propaganda things. N korea wants to look prosperous even when it isn't.

>>32706695
Only if you stretch the definition of totalitarian to the breaking point. In most developed countries, citizens are allowed to run their own businesses and criticize the government.

>>32708784
top qts

>>32713227
China wouldn't support north korea simply because its not in their interest to do so,china has an economy 1000 times the size of north korea and a much greater population,millitary,budget...etc

>>32713531
>China wouldn't support north korea simply because its not in their interest to do so,
I wouldn't be so sure. In fact I'd be certain that China would forcibly intervene in one way or another, almost certainly sending troops to accomplish their goal.

They don't care what kind of a shit show it is internally but an invasion would cause problems for them.

Best Korea is a valuable buffer state between a US ally (with bases) and their own borders. They absolutely will not tolerate a reunified Korea that puts a US air base hosting spy planes on their border and why would they? Can you imagine what would happen if Mexico were to allow a Chinese base in Tijuana? Remember the shit show when Cuba was going to just host some missiles? Now imagine something like that happening a stone's throw from Trump's wall?

So, China will intervene. How is another question, they might intervene to prop up Best Korea but if that means shooting at the USA then there is a real danger that they'll lose this time around and that would be worse than doing nothing. It would badly undermine the CCCP and the Chinese public might be a bit outraged but they'll be even more outraged at losing their national pride and son's lives over Fatty Kim.

Whatever you want to say about western propaganda, the same concepts are alive and well in China. The government here recently added one popular nickname for him that meant something along the lines of Kim the Fat to the online censorship list.
...

North Korea is a very poor man's Iraq

>>32713227
China wouldn't support NK. If anything China would annex part of North Korea to create a new buffer zone.

>>32713731
...
So, what will they do? They might annex a large chunk of the north as a Chinese administered Best Korea, in reality serving as a buffer between them and any US allied reunified Korea. That could be done either as an outright invasion (unlikely), a de facto invasion uncontested by a collapsed Nork regime (pretty likely), a safe haven for regime loyalists hiding behind Chinese skirts (unlikely I think, they'd probably fuck off the regime and make their own and the regime might be too proud anyway), or they might seize it from the Sork/USA coalition either with bluff, bluster, force or just beating them to it since it's much closer for them.

Either way, if a war went down that ended with the Sork/USA going north, I'd expect to see Chinese troops intervening to either seize territory or prop up the regime, more likely the former.

This gets more complicated because Worst Korea has good relations with China and strong economic ties, so there could well be a deal which saw USA bases pulled/kicked out of Worst Korea in exchange for China standing back from a collapsing Best Korea and assisting or permitting reunification.

I think that latter case is arguably the end game and it's more a matter of how long it takes to get there. Without the Kim's in the north, the South doesn't need USA bases and the USA has bases in Japan anyway so it's not that big a deal.

>>32713751
>If anything China would annex part of North Korea to create a new buffer zone
Snap. >>32713764

>>32708817
>trigger discipline

>>32697082

Maybe during the Vietnam War with all those South Koreans and Americans being busy in Vietnam. The Norks even tried to have the South Korean president assassinated during that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid

>>32704045
>puts big fancy buildings on shore area to make it look nice
>can faintly see commieblocks behind
>no one there
>no lights at intersections to tell cars where to go, if there were any
>no signs of even basic commerce

looks like GTAV when you drive so fast the map renders but nothing else does. propaganda/10

>>32685704
Jesus is there anything they don't bolt manpads on?

>>32707412
>sneaky nukes

unproven, and radiation is extremely easy to detect. its possible they would get intercepted trying to sneak a nuke, which is such an absurd escalation its basically begging for a Hiroshima-special shiatsu massage

>>32686105
>get special chrome type 99 from dear leader
>Have to keep it clean constantly if I don't want to get sent to gulag
>At least we can't afford the ammo to shoot it

>>32713263
I was just saying that was the point of the propaganda

>>32714583
Nope

It makes them fun as shit to play in Wargame Red Dragon

>>32701334
I wish aviators were part of our uniform

>>32707412
>Turning highways into runways
Nigga have you south Korea? So many fucking cars there that the norks would have an easier building their own airfiled than pushing all the cars off the roads

>>32714630
Would you guys rather have a Type 99 or a BAR with 30 round mags?

>>32698629
>Are IR self-guided SAMs a thing?
Is this the power of neo-/k/?

What the fuck do you think Stingers are, retard?

>>32703647
Baekdu is just a variation of Mount Paektu, the Korean version of the Garden of Eden.

>>32679439
>no food
>no ammo
>no fuel
>no training
>no air support
>navy is a couple of hundred of rusting commercial submergibles
>(unguided) artillery rusting away since the 60s
>80% of enlisted personnel are basically not even real personnel
>generations of malnutrition, imbreeding, suffering, repression and bullshit leaves what little able bodied troops they have as dumb and weak manlets
>w-we totally have a nuke tho
>no delivery system
>only realistic bargaining chip they have is their own population as a hostage
I'd laugh if it wasn't such a bizarre and neverending tragedy.

>>32683604
You could cause mass defection with a ship full of rice and beans.

>>32683929
>stockpiles of ammo
No they don't.
The majority of them have never even trained with their guns because they have so little ammo.

>>32686531
Israel has nukes and delivery systems. On top of a real army, and being backed by the US.

They could human wave it but it'd be pretty meek.

>>32686921
>People's Internet Defense Force Of the Democratic Republic of Korea

>>32688360
Their rockets don't hit because they're fucking SCUD missiles, you'd aim at Tokyo and hit the Australian outback.

>>32683929
Even so Americans in Vietnam kicked a lot of commie ass against aks. Inb4 Vietnam loss meme.

>>32695661
>I don't think China and Russia would allow us to blockade their northern borders so we can starve them out either.
I don't think either of them have that great fondness for the Norkies.

>>32697002
There was a time when the Swedes were in some negotiations with North Korea

When offered to be given a hand in how to improve their farming, the response was "Uh, no, we don't really know how to do things like that."

Take that as you will.

>>32713731
>Remember the shit show when Cuba was going to just host some missiles?
>giving nuclear capabilities to a fundamentalist state aggressive to the US is "a shitshow over just some missiles"

>>32685735
they have to maximize their limited chutes. so they use paragliders and tandem tactics. norks are economical!

>>32701466
seek help.

>>32715452
It comes and goes.

Putin and Kim were pals, until Kim stood Putin up at the 70th Anniversary Victory Parade.

You don't brush of an invitation like that after saying "I'll be there".

>>32713731
The problem with this argument is that you have to also look at history,most notably the Vietnam war that was a proxy war beetween North and South Vietnam,where China did not invest millitary troops to help the north vietnamese simply because of the fear of a US attack.

>>32714660
>this

I love watching a F-117 or Typhoon get chased by hundreds of MANPADS launched together.

Even better when it gets away while blanketing the sky in flares.

>>32713731
take a look at the Vietnam war for example,even though China had the capacity to help out the North vietnamese they backed off due to a threat of US aggression.

>>32704045
>early morning or midday
>what seems to be a waterfront real estate/business park
>absolutely fucking nobody on the roads or sidewalks

yep, seems legit.

>>32708423
>>32708371
Do they not have tailors in that country or something? All of their uniforms seem so oversized and ill fitting, it's like they got hand-me-downs or some shit, these are supposed to be the tippy toppiest tier officers if they're seen photographed with big Kim.

>>32716269
>Thinking that China is an ally of North Vietnam
They fought border wars.

>>32717899
FWIW, oversized coats are practical for winter at this longitude.

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KPA artillery

>>32721225
I'd find statistics on usable fuel and ammunition for these pieces more relevant. Why did the "sea of fire" comment about Seoul have any traction?

>>32683929
>imblying that almost all of the civilian population wouldn't surrender to the US/RoK forces immediately when they realize how much food aid we could give them

>>32721416
We did talk in a previous thread about JDAMed BBQ grills and airdropped cheese burger supplies.

>>32719523
Yeah but wasn't that way after the Vietnam War?

>>32685731
This is way past fedualism, that implies kim has to giv something back, its more like a theocracy with kim as a living god

They can pack a punch in a conventional war that for sure,it will be long and expensive to go full frontal attack.

Constant bombardment wont do much as it did nothing in Vietnam because they are dug in.

Unless ameriburgers have some new heavy hitter weapon that is not a nuclear bomb the fast invasion tactic is certain failure.

>>32721225
The M1989 version of the Koksan is a 180mm by the way, if you want to update the graph.

The M1978 Koksan is 170mm.

Both of them have RAP shells that give those things impressive range for such a low tech nation.