Text of 2017 Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

s-stop mr. trump

i can't take all this winning

Concealed glock in Times Square and I'll legally cum buckets

>>32670598

Is that freedom in your pocket?

>>32670549
Ugh, just what this country needs. More deregulation of killing machines. It's bad enough that your state isn't controlling the flow of these weapons into my state, but now the federal government is forcing this bullshit on us. Fuck you guys. Fuck all of you

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>>32670679
stay mad commie

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>>32670698
>Durr hurr gun owners aren't racists
>Proceeds to be racist
Fuck you drumpf supporters. Love trumps hate

>>32670726
pinko

>>32670726
Post a picture of guns you own with a timestamp or fuck off back to /pol/.

>>32670726
>>32670679
>(you)

now off to reddit you go

>>32670630
Under this law a new yorker could get a Utah CCP and be legally allowed to carry in NY, but he wouldn't be allowed to actually own the gun since By requires a permit to own a handgun.

I still don't understand the state constitutional carry bit. VT doesn't issue permits, the state constitution is your permit. So if I were to travel to NY I wouldn't have a permit to show. Do I just refer to my state's constitution? You don't need to be a resident for VT constitutional carry in VT. Does that mean anyone could carry in any state without a permit and just point to VT?

>>32670630
In its current form this would appear to allow you to concealed carry an AR pistol in a bar in downtown Manhattan, so long as there isn't a no guns sign at the door. I'm actually somewhat worried about the possibility of backlash if this bill passes in its current form considering it would be loosening the laws even in states like Arizona and basically destroying them in states like California and New York.

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>>32670775
>replying to that blatant of a troll
Seriously, kill yourselves.

>>32670776
Did you not read the bill or the summary of the bill in the OP? If you have any carry permit then state laws about possession of a handgun don't apply to you.

>>32670811
No, you need a permit or to be in a state with constitutional carry for this bill to apply to you. There are no minimum requirements for permits in this bill so Vermont could offer a carry permit with no requirements for people traveling out of state if they wanted (or even sell the permits to people out of state if they wanted).

This is a step in the right direction but we need constitutional concealed carry. Jumping through hoops and having to pay to do something that is one of our rights is annoying.

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>>32670746
Stay mad homosex

>>32670776
Interesting
>amass collection
>move to NYC
>carry what I already own
Is this possible? Or are you required to register your firearms as a new resident?

So 30 round magazines are legal as long as you carry them with you at all times?

>>32670873
So you're a self-hating gun owner? Are you also a self-hating white, because as a brown person nothing makes me kek as hard as that.

>>32670945
I was just fucking around. I'm surprised you actually still are replying. I thought the whole love trumps hate would have been enough.

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>>32670954
Sorry lad, after the meme wars my trolling detection hasn't worked the same. I guess I'm just retarded.

>>32670549
Sounds baller.

>>32670679
>everyone taking the chum

doesn't this also bring bad news though - in that people who wouldn't be eligible for cc licenses now can conceal carry so long as the state they live in permits constitutional carry?

don't bust my balls - I like guns too if I'm here, but that doesn't mean I want psychotic nigger rampages every 5 seconds

>>32670954
>I was just fucking around.
Please avoid doing so. People on 4chan stopped being intelligent enough to even understand what a troll is long ago. You could have talked about building an alter to Dianne Feinstein and idiots here would take you seriously.

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>>32671008
>doesn't this also bring bad news though - in that people who wouldn't be eligible for cc licenses now can conceal carry so long as the state they live in permits constitutional carry?

...What? What are you trying to say? If the state they live in has constitutional carry they wouldn't need a cc license to carry in the first place.

>>32670549
>with the exception of private and state property
Should mandate the owner takes on 100% liability for all injury if they opt to disarm a legal carry permit owners.

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>>32671008
>we shouldnt allow this on the basis that it makes it more likely for somebody to commit crimes

into the trash it goes

>>32670549
So lets say I have a residential CC permit for Wisconsin and two out-of-state permits for Florida and Minnesota. I already can CC to all the states in blue( source: http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html ) and none of the ones in red. Under this new PDF OP posted it would basically mean all the states were essentially blue even if I only had my Wisconsin permit?

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Image failed to upload. Trying again.

>>32670549
Oh baby

>>32670679
>ATF runs guns to Mexico while simultaneously blaming gun stores
>Government wants to ban guns while simultaneously providing guns to terrorists in the middle east

>the gun must be a handgun that isn't also a machine gun or destructive device

No CCing a Glock 18 with exploding bullets?! I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

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>>32670679
kek you're gonna get fucked by the long dick of the second and there's nothing you can do about it

>>32671521
That's exactly what it means. You could even CC in states like MD.

>>32670549
Finally.

Freedom shall return to us all brothers.

>>32670679
Good because your whorism is showing you fucking whore!

Go to your lesbian aids infested std positive sluts party you fucking disgusting pathetic skank!!!!

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Wow first I got approved for my state carry permit now this!

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>>32672999
>still replying to a troll a couple hours after they admited to being a troll

Should I hold off on getting a CCW in my state and getting put on a list and instead wait for this and get an easier permit or certificate?

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>>32671531
What the fuck does green mean?

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>>32673054
>still replying to someone who was trolled a couple hours after a troll admitted to being a troll

>>32673263
>So lets say I have a residential CC permit for Wisconsin and two out-of-state permits for Florida and Minnesota
he linked, in his post, an earlier post that explained it. l2read

>>32670549
> states with constitutional carry can issue concealed carry permits with no requirements whatsoever nationally

This isn't concealed carry reciprocity. This is national constitutional carry.

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>>32670679
all you niggas taking this guy's bait

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>>32673263
>what the fuck does green mean
Freedom fried in pure lard!

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>>32670549
does this mean people under 21 can carry? or am i misunderstanding this

>>32674099
If there's a state that will give you a concealed carry permit, whether you live there or not, then yes.

>>32673940
I don't think states that don't issue becuase it is constitutional carry will bother setting up a licensing process for out of staters.

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>>32670679
I like to imagine this is how Californians actually feel.

>>32673182
I too would like to know this

>>32670549
Fuck yes. Between the HPA and this at least one of them is bound to go through.

>>32671053
How is that any different from liberals trying to have gun companies held responsible for crimes committed with their weapons?

>>32670811
Just buy a Utah permit.

>>32670866
You have to abide by the state and local laws i.e mag restrictions

>>32670872
>constitutional concealed carry
One fight at a time. anon. This year's 'compromise' becomes next year's starting point for fresh negotiations.... and not just in gun control. We are going to have to shamelessly borrow the deconstructionist Left's methodology and mindset in order to perform triage on what they've done to our country the past few decades, and not just with guns. You never take yes for an answer and you never stop.

But until next legislative session... one fight at a time.

>>32675856
It depends on whether those laws fall under the laws about possession mentioned in the bill.

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>>32675908
>yes goy
>it's those nasty teachers and reporters making you sad
>just keep voting GOP, the free market will handle it

>>32675635
Well, gun companies aren't telling criminals to exercise their second amend ant rights to commit crime.

Anti gun properties, on the other hand, are asking people to forfeit their right to bear arms.

>>32670549

considering my recent binge I was trying real hard not to furiously masturbate today but you ruined that for me, thanks

>>32670866
>>32670811
It states in the bill that any state photo id that shows you legally reside in a state with constitutional carry can serve as your permit to carry.

>>32674345
Califag here.

I'm VERY excited about the handgun ban override clause. Hell I hope some guys add AR pistols to carry permits too somehow and just shit ALL OVER our stupid AWBs.

I am a bit disappointed they didn't add rifle ban override though, just because.

>>32676152
Because it shouldn't be the business of the US congress to unfuck your state laws. Also, saying that I should be able to walk around NYC open carrying an AR-15 because I can legally carry without a permit in my state is fucking stupid, unnecessary, and guarantees backlash. Looser gun laws are good, doing ridiculous shit for no practical reason to piss off liberals just raises the chance that they might be able to get momentum and turn back the progress we made whenever they get control of the US government again.

>>32675635
What >>32676012 said is most of it.
The idea is that by refusing to allow a person on your personal/business property to defend themselves through their own action(carry a weapon), the owner/business assumes the liability of defending that person from violent action.
The liberal bullshit about liability for gun manufacturers is forcing a business to be liable for the misuse of the product they sell. It's the same kind of bullshit as filing suit against Ford because some retard in an Explorer t-boned you because he was drunk driving.

>>32670679
7/10. You did pretty good, but this is a notoriously easy board to troll. It'd have to be an absolute blow-out to be a perfect score.

>>32676267
Do you think businesses that allow people to carry should be liable if someone carrying does something stupid as well?

>>32676258
>Because it shouldn't be the business of the US congress to unfuck your state laws. Also, saying that I should be able to walk around NYC open carrying an AR-15 because I can legally carry without a permit in my state is fucking stupid, unnecessary, and guarantees backlash. Looser gun laws are good, doing ridiculous shit for no practical reason to piss off liberals just raises the chance that they might be able to get momentum and turn back the progress we made whenever they get control of the US government again.

You sound like a cowardly fudd.

We are waging a culture war and open carrying AR15s in time square and in front of the white house is basically winning the fucking war for guns.

Learn some self control and fucking network. And stop being fucking programmed into thinking using said rights is "ridiculous shit".

The only progress we made was by stomping liberal dreams with such audacity and FORCING them to deal with our rights point fucking blank and even throwing the law against them if they chimp out. See dumb libs who try to grab concealed guns and getting arrested.

Time to man up and go for the win.

>>32676258
Wait, are you seriously saying that upholding the US Constitution shouldn't be the business of Congress?

will it pass

>>32670726
>Anonymous 01/16/17(Mon)17:13:16 No.32670726▶>>32670744 >>32670746 >>32670775
Must be nice having all that freetime to be butthurt while others are out working.

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>>32676258
Oh look its a states rights faggot.

>>32676358
It should

>>32676258
If the government can force all states to recognize gay marriage, it can force all states to recognize the second amendment, not that it should even have to do that in the first place.

>>32676012
>asking people to forfeit their right to bear arms.

Would you really want to give them your money anyhow?

>>32670549
>tfw 18 year old national carry via Alabama permit
I'm ready lads

>>32676327
>Do you think businesses that allow people to carry should be liable if someone carrying does something stupid as well?
Define stupid.
>Guy somehow drops his piece and somehow all the drop safety features fail and it goes bang and somehow hits somebody.
Shit happens and it was ultimately the fault of the guy carrying that his shit hit the ground.
>Guy carrying comes in, pulls his pistol and kills somebody/robs the store.
That's called criminal intent, which means he was already breaking the law and was a criminal, which means they wouldn't give a shit about the nogunz sign. The person he shoots WOULD have more of a chance to defend themselves were they allowed to carry in the store.

The ultimate point is that the business owner assumes the liability because they are CHOOSING to limit another person's rights because of their feelings. Criminal action is still criminal action, no different if it happened on the street or in the store, the only difference is if the store purposefully limited the victim's ability to respond to violence.

>>32676338
>We are waging a culture war and open carrying AR15s in time square and in front of the white house is basically winning the fucking war for guns.
This doesn't work like a real war and simply walking around the capitol with your rifle does nothing. The antis would still be out there, and going to that extent to shove something people disagree with in their face only motivates them further motivates them and others to fight it.

>The only progress we made was by stomping liberal dreams with such audacity and FORCING them to deal with our rights point fucking blank
You mean doing the exact same thing that motivated people against PC culture and helped Trump win?

>See dumb libs who try to grab concealed guns and getting arrested.
Exactly how many times has that happened?

>>32676357
That's the job of the US court system. Considering how the Supreme Court is going to lean after the appointment Trump will make, there is no reason to try to have Congress change those laws through roundabout ways that will only make the laws in the US more complex than they already are.

>>32676460
Please tell me you aren't from the US. The Supreme Court was responsible for that, because that's their job and not Congress's job.

>>32676617
>Please tell me you aren't from the US. The Supreme Court was responsible for that, because that's their job and not Congress's job.
Then let them challenge it in court like the conservatives challenged gay marriage laws.

>>32676641
>Then let them challenge it in court
Can you not read?

>like the conservatives challenged gay marriage laws.
What are you on about?

>>32676617
>You mean doing the exact same thing that motivated people against PC culture and helped Trump win?

The fuck kinda double think is this?

Gun rights people like open carry attention whores basically flipped the election in swing states which all have very lenient progun states.

Also see here:
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/01/21/hes-got-gun-florida-man-tackles-concealed-carrier-arrested-battery/

Boom 2 seconds in google.

>>32676617
>This doesn't work like a real war and simply walking around the capitol with your rifle does nothing. The antis would still be out there, and going to that extent to shove something people disagree with in their face only motivates them further motivates them and others to fight it.

They can't fight it if its legal and in their face, and their vaunted police can do nothing about it.

>>32676973
>The fuck kinda double think is this?
What actually happened. People don't like having shit shoved in their face and doing so can turn people who were neutral against something.

>Gun rights people like open carry attention whores basically flipped the election in swing states
No, they didn't.

>I can cite one case of this happening, therefore it totally happens often enough to even be a consideration in this discussion
>doesn't even cite a case involving trying to take the guy's gun like you claimed

>>32676986
>They can't fight it if its legal and in their face
Can you guarantee that the Democrats won't get into power again? If they do they can change it back just as easily as this bill, and the more you shove it in people faces the higher up their list it would be. Unless the Supreme Court rules on this, going out of your way to shove it in their face everywhere is a bad idea.

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>>32670726
>Love trumps hate
i love it too

>>32670549
Im excited but not 21 so it's not like it'll help me