North Hollywood Shootout look back

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Close ups on the armor sets

>>32654782
>what was their major flaw that screwed them over?
Probably robbing a bank.

In seriousness, getting spotted early was their biggest fuckup.

If I remember correctly they got spotted in their full gear by an officer right as they entered, so their "8 minute limit" was basically pointless. By the time they tried to leave there was already surrounded and a helicopter was dispatched. So they were screwed.

>>32654865
they were already surrounded*

>time to go to bed

>>32654872
Suppresion is an wonderful thing when you have auto AK's and cops only have shitty M9's

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This guy is more effective, still at large. Avoids the armed standoff with police - acts quickly.

>>32654782
I think I was the whole robbing a bank while on drugs thing that did them in but don't quote me on that.

>>32654901
That center photo makes it look he spent that robbery money completely on twinkies.

>>32654901
dressing up as a cop seems like a great way to legitimize why you are carrying a rifle around prior to a robbery....

Primary mistake was being evil. Good always wins over evil

>>32654782
1. Thinking you can rob a bank in broad daylight in LA
2. Getting spotted on the way in and no recognizing it and getting out immediately
3. Remaining on-site and shooting out as long as they did, allowing SWAT to arm up and other police to raid a nearby gun shop for long arms
4. Splitting up towards the end
5. Not having 1 or 2 or 3 contingency plans for the job going south
6. Having shit aim (could be due to the doping up before the robbery, which also allowed them to shrug off getting shot along with all that adrenaline).

>>32654901
The marked vest was ingenuous. Wore a mask and GTFO ricky tick indicating that he truly intended to escape. The Hollywood duo may have been unknowingly suicidal; desperate enough to rob a bank.

>>32654914
he's probably concealing armor, mags etc under that fat shirt. also a fluctuation in body mass would make it more difficult to profile a suspect

These guys were responsible for AWBs as well as police militarizing hard as a motherfucker. I hope they are cozy in hell.

>>32654901
It's honestly amazing to me that with all the modern technology that exists today, that people get away with robbing banks.

>>32655129
Would you rather have the military take over?
In all honesty, I don't think cops should have armored cars, but with the shit that's been going down with this BLM shit, it's really opened my eyes to why they should get some.
As for carrying rifles and such, I have no problem with that, they should be equally armed to the citizenry

>>32654901
I wonder how much the take was?

Is it even enough to be worthwhile?

>>32655111
They already robbed both armored cars and banks prior to the stand off. It wasn't their first rodeo. The only thing that fucked them was being spotted on the way in. The only backup plan for police presence is a shootout.

>>32655152
The militarization of police doesn't bother me that much, it's necessary in this day and age. Some precincts take it overboard, but I'm not all that worried.

The AWBs pissed me (and every other shooter) off, this was the textbook case of "look what happens when people have access to military arms." Despite the fact I believe most if not all of their guns were illegally owned.

>>32655154
You could make probably as much as he got writing bad checks or committing fraud and only get like 2 years in jail if you get caught.

No, it's never worthwhile committing violent crime.

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>>32654889
The first cop to respond shot one of the suspects in the back with 12 gauge buckshot, it did not penetrate the soft pistol caliber protection armor and the shootout ensued.

Shotguns are weak ass bullshit and should not be seriously considered as a weapon against armed and possibly armored opponents.

>>32655158
I hate the NFA too, but living in Charlotte, I can tell you that if the police didn't have some of those items, they couldn't control the rioting population.

>>32655162
I thought they had plates

>>32655152

>police shouldn't have armored cars

Why? Because they are black and scary? I think I've heard that reasoning before...

You can own an armored car if you can afford it. You can own plate carriers and ARs. Why should police be disallowed from that? They are already banned from guns larger than .50s.

The alternative is to have the military called out to kill anyone with real firepower or to do dangerous jobs like large scale operations against gangs. Would you rather have the actual military rolling around in APCs?

>inb4 that wouldn't happen

Reminder, there was an order ready to be sent to authorize a missile team and Apache to strike and kill the Killdozer. That was going to happen before he got stuck and killed himself, and that was a single dude that had produced no fatalities with too much time on his hands in bumfuck nowhere.

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What if those robbers were equipped with full body heavy armor, including ballistic visors and armored boots, able to protect even from SWAT rifles?

>>32655177
I don't think you read my post, reread it and then make a reply lol

>>32655175

They had homemade armored that was multiple he blaring vests layered on top of each other and sewn in. Nothing the cops had could've done any damage. Leg shots got one dude and iirc rounds got the armpits of another.

Literally dozens upon dozsns of pistol rounds would've been stopped by those vests.

>>32654904
The robbers were on muscle relaxers and some pain killers, I believe. Getting shot with armor still fucking hurts and can cause major hematomas.

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>>32655182
>tfw have done minor gta shit irl

>>32655185

>I don't think cops should have armored cars

>but BLM

It shouldn't matter who is getting uppity, in the 70s it was the Weather Underground, 80s and 90s it was Libyans and Arabs, now it's the Blacks. The police need the ability to do their job because if they can't you get shit like wanting the military to Hellfire or Javelin a fucking bulldozer.

You're implying this is a new phenomena, when guerilla actions and mass civil unrest has been going on since the US was founded.

>>32655197
At this point I think you are trying to troll me
>>32655188
I'm not really familiar with the story, I just remember that they converted some semis illegally and robbed a bank, and the cops were outgunned.

>>32655188
rifles eventually penetrated them though, right?

>>32655182

Most large departments have AP rounds for rifles in .50 BMG. There isn't plate you can wear to stop that.

Even then, all departments have at least a .308 or 30-06 with AP rounds, and enough of those will eventually pen body armor.

Even ESAPI plates are only rated to a single AP 30-06

>>32655206

No. There were no rifles. Officers were sent to a fucking CIVILIAN GUN STORE to get rifles and ammo to pen the vests. There was nothing LAPD had to kill them on scene.

This is specifically why patrol carbines and SWAT became a thing.

>>32655209
Now, but in 1997?

>>32655213

In 97 there wasn't armor that tough. SAPI plates had JUST been handed out with IBAs for the army. I doubt there was anything to stop a .308 back then at all on the civilian market.

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>>32655222
Not civilian market, but...

>>32655204

I'm not trying to troll you, honestly.

I was really only half directing other at you anyway, it was more a blanket statement and my feelings on (((police militarization))) and your post gave me a decent excuse to speak up.

That being said I'm glad you better understand why cops sometimes need heavier shit.

Sorry, I just care a lot about the subject. I literally just had one of my friends at another agency almost die because he got shot during a traffic stop. Severed his femoral.

>>32655228

Kek. What rating is this? Almost looks more cold weather than bullet sponge.

>>32655229
I pretty much agreed with everything you said, I was just saying reread my post haha

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>>32655232
STANAG 4569 Level 2

>>32655239

Huh. That's really interesting. Is the visor ballistic glass?

>>32655152
>In all honesty, I don't think cops should have armored cars

Armored cars are defensive but trigger the ignorant. They are not a threat, just a steel box.

Squad cars are not protection.

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>>32655247
Yes. Visor attached to chest plate

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>>32655182
gg ez

>>32655249
reread my entire post, because I know you didn't

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>>32654808

>Guy wielding AK

>Has a vest full of STANAG mags.

Hard to take this seriously, given that completely undermines the validity of this diorama. For all we know everything is mixed and matched.

>>32655258
Maybe you should. Your post is confusing people.

>I don't think this but I think this

lrn2Rtikul8

>>32655142
>no witnesses saw them leave or in which direction, and noone can recognize them on cams
>no tracking devices on their persons or transport vehicle
What would you do as a cop here? It's still 70% down to human error

Things they could have done better would be: Better targets, optimised escapes, utilizing weather, and helmets.

Ultimately they did quite well. Had they pressed more aggressively leaving the bank they might have actually shot their way out of the situation. How many LAPD were on scene? Given their equipment advantage they potentially could have killed them all and strolled off into the sunset unpursued.

>>32655162
>Shotguns are weak ass bullshit

Against unarmored opponents and when at close range, a 12 gauge shotgun is going to more more lethal than most rifles.

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>>32655256

>>32655162
>The first cop to respond shot one of the suspects in the back with 12 gauge buckshot, it did not penetrate the soft pistol caliber protection armor

had it been a foster slug, it could have broken his spine. Y/N?

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>>32655320

>>32655298
Obviously not because they only managed to wound like 3 of them.

The results do not indicate proficency at overwhelming the larger force, even with their superior firepower.

Probably because they could barely move wearing all that bullshit.

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>>32655328

>>32655321
I don't know.

>>32655321
Wouldn't be fun, that's for sure.

>>32654901
>still at large
you can say that again tubby

>>32655332
>All the bullshit

Literally a fraction of the weight of an infantry load out...

Their lack of proficiency compiled with bad luck. I think that was their third Bank?

>>32655114
they were suicidal, they were the sort of shmucks de nero was talking about when he mentioned doing hold ups with a 'born to lose' tattoo in heat

>>32654782
weren't they also high? would help them with ignoring pain, but not with making a rational plan

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>>32655260

>>32655152
>Would you rather have the military take over?
New Zealand police are completely disarmed
Only the "Armed Offenders Squad" have pistols, and they have a swat style unit too
Thats it

So a couple years ago when they had a hostage situation they had to borrow a New Zealand Army LAV in order to be able to approach the house

>citing BLM

lolno, thats a direct response to police being militerised and profiling and murdering black people

>>32655158
no, its not

>>32655111
all valid points but, more importantly was when the plan was originally to rob an armored car and getaway quick they changed their minds at the last second and robbed the bank, changing plans like that doesn't work out well. Also the drugs definitely did not help.

>>32655371
Also they had another situation way back in the 1980s that got so out of hand that the NZSAS were put on alert and were going to be sent in to take over

>>32655371
>im from New Zealand
>black lives matter is a moral political movement!
Of course

>>32655385
I'm not from New Zealand
I can however know about events in other countries without being a citizen of them

>>32655162
>12 gauge buckshot
ask me how I know you're /noshotgunz/

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>>32655371
>BLM is a political activist group guise

>>32655212
I thought SWAT was because of that Texas Tower Sniper, Charles Whitman?

The North Hollywood Shootout just kind of reminded everyone.

>>32655391
>every country and their populace is the same so we should just conform to their style of law enforcement where a peaceful young 24 year old child migrant from Iraq fleeing the civil war in Syria can massacre double digits of people with a truck
I hate Europeans for a lot of good reasons but this is especially one of them. The arrogance is unreal

>>32655260
They both entered the bank with chinese ak's with 75 round drums but they had the AR staged in the car with the HK91

it's not completely retarded that they could have planned to have one guy take the AR and it just didnt work out that way.

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>>32655162
>Shotguns are weak ass bullshit

They spent the whole time hipfiring like retards. Pretty sure they only hit one cop after magdumping hundreds of rounds

>>32655473
compared to rifles he is right. If you are wearing soft body armor you can just keep trucking.

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>>32655473
>>32655162


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norco_shootout

>Taking cover behind his vehicle, Bolasky returned fire at the gunmen. The gunmen got into the van and once all five men were inside, they attempted to flee the scene, continuing to shoot at Bolasky. As the van sped away, a pellet from Bolasky's shotgun struck the driver, Belisaro Delgado, in the back of the head, killing him and sending the van crashing into a telephone pole guy-wire.


Don't ever underestimate any weapon ever.

ALL weapons should be considered lethal, loaded or unloaded.

But meh, that's just my philosophy.

>>32655531
>Unloaded

What did he mean by this?

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>>32655571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX0MB7pJtKs

>>32655075

Keep it in church

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>>32655371
>lolno, thats a direct response to police being militerised and profiling and murdering black people

Lies. Black people commit all the fucking crime so the cops look like racists jailing and imprisoning niggers left and right.

>>32655531
a sharp stick is lethal too

>>32654901
another amazing run, nearly a million dollars with a revolver, fake mustache and wife as getaway driver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Madison_Williams_Jr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-vzHzylq5I

>>32655321

It would have knocked him over for sure, 12 gauge slug to a plate would have knocked him down and winded him pretty good.


Also; why didn't lapd aim for the head? Surely a shotgun blast or 9mm to the head would probably stop the threat

>>32655663
>admitted to his crimes

What a retard.

>>32655672
The responding officers were effeminate Mexicans and women. Watch the interviews with the LAPD cops involved.

>>32655686
he knew they had his number, MO was exactly the same over his entire career and there was no way to escape after being identified.

They probably told him to cooperate for a deal.

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>>32655162

>shotguns are weak

>>32655212
SWAT became a thing in the 60's bro. You are right about the patrol carbines though.

>>32655715
They have poor penetration with everything except slugs.

Rifles > Shotgun > Handguns

>>32655715
Deal with it pussy
Shotguns are fine if your at conversational distances, but 100 yds out? Its almost just like throwing stones.

>>32655212

The swat team ended up shooting one of the north Hollywood shooters like 27 times with AR-15s, the other shooter shot himself in the head with a handgun.

>>32655729
>They have poor penetration with everything except slugs.

slugs too will not go through IIIA soft body armor which is rated for up to .44 Magnum.

>>32655745
Agreed, shotguns are weak ass bullshit.

>>32655734

>shotguns are bad because their not rifles

That's like Alex c. From tfb tv saying pistols were terrible because theyre not rifles.

You use shotguns at close range (like home defense, etc) because it'll kill the shit out of somebody and it's a gaurenteed kill shot as opposed to using a handgun

No one would ever think of shooting at 100 yards with a shotgat unless you have a scope and slugs (which is what hunters do)

>>32655754
I don't know. getting hit at 10-20m you're probably still going to be incapacitated. back fae deformation of a IIIA panel hit by a slug is horrid. it's basicaly like putting a condom over a dildo.

>>32655754

I have a serious question for you, what do you think happens when a projectile hits armor?

>>32655787
If it's a rifle, then it punches through soft armor to kill.

If it's a weak-ass shotgun, then it gets stopped.

>>32655212
Cops are civilians dude.

>>32655767

>No one would ever think of shooting at 100 yards with a shotgat unless you have a scope and slugs (which is what hunters do)

Tungsten pellets can give nice grouping and lethality even out to 100 yards. Here in Finland people have started to adopt tungsten pellets for hunting, even 3mm pellets can go through both sides of a roe deer at 70 meters.

>>32655142
Most banks don't keep all that much cash on-site anymore, so they don't really care that much about robbery. There's more of value in most jewelry stores now than in a bank.

>>32655877
Not when they're on duty.

>>32655672
>aim for the head meme
Think for a moment. The majority of the police involved were everyday street cops. Not soldiers. They didn't go through basic training and qualify at 300 yards with an m16. They didn't crawl through a muddy trench covered in pig guts, barbed wire and covered by machinegun fire over their heads.
For the cops, their mindest is similar to that scene from Saving Private Ryan.Your adrenaline is pumping, your heart is in your throat, the loudest sound you hear is your own breathing because you're in the first stages of panic and struggling to take in the situation.
So why don't you go jump into combat for the first time and tell me how good of a shot you are?

>>32654822
Is he the one that shot himself? If so, is that the bullet hole in his mask? Fuckign brutal.

Either way, did they wash these clothes before throwing them on a mannequin? I would imagine they were soaked in blood after the events.

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>>32655371
>lolno, thats a direct response to police being militerised and profiling and murdering black people

>>32655895
That's pretty cool actually. Can you use a rifle for deer in Finland?

>>32655799

>all the kinetic energy of the projectile will do nothing once it hits armor. If youre wearing body armor and get shot with a 115 grain 9mm projectile, that's still like 300 foot pounds knocking you over, the armor stops the penetration of some rounds but all rounds will knock you down or wind you, it's not like anything less that .44 mag wont hurt or stop anybody in body armor, there's video of a us solider getting shot from distance with a dragonuv and he gets knocked down and loses consciousness from getting shot in the armor.

In the north Hollywood shootout, the police wanted to stop the suspect, a shotgun blast to the cheSt or back regardless of being armored would have knocked over the suspect and lapd could have arrested him.

Wew lad.

>>32655228
>>32655239
>>32655253
>>32655320
>>32655328
>>32655334

Where did you get these images?

>>32655368
That's one way to carry about 70rds I guess

>>32655767
What advantages do a shotgun and slugs have over a rifle?

>>32655162
>shoot buckshot
>armor takes it
>shotguns are weak
there are slugs. there are real heavy duty slugs like pic related. shotguns are not for penetrating body armor. Those cops should've had rifles. Same could be said of the pistol/shotgun fbi agents during the miami shootout.

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>>32658338
Sending a large projectile at something with a lot of energy in it.

>>32655686
right?

>>32655371
I wonder why they profile black people.
And the murdering is bullshit.

>>32654782
>So /k/ what was their major flaw that screwed them over?

Robbing a bank.

People never, ever, EVER get away with it. They either get caught at the scene or shortly thereafter.

>>32655920
Especially when they wear their cute little work uniforms.

>>32655142
FDIC insurance means banks have no incentive to stop these guys beyond cameras. Some banks do have "mouse trap" doors and if you come in through them you can't be wearing a hood, sunglasses or a hat, and they have metal detectors too. The days of banks hiring Pinkertons or Loomis to hunt down the robbers is long gone.

>>32658338
Shooting things flying because of spread pattern.

>>32659680
The majority of bank robberies are successful.

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Not enough armor

>>32656536
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaS_2l8nGdg

>>32655877

Look up the definition of civilian please.

Cops are not civilians. That is okay though, because they have special training and powers the rest of us don't. In return they should be held to a higher standard.

>>32655720

You're not wrong. I guess what I meant was they didn't become as common and we'll armed until after the shootout.

Before then SWAT teams were only for very large agencies, now pretty much every agency has a tactical unit.

>>32655531
Holy shit the nips on the transgender female 3rd from the left. Must be a shit show boob job under there. Add Miami vice Ellen Degeneres and thug lyfe he she and you have one of the best images I've ever seen

>>32655920
Authorized and exempted by special privilege does not a civilian unmake.

>>32660333
>higher standard
>just doing my job
well, alright, pick one and stick to it then

>>32655313
most people undervalue the stopping power of iiia nowadays, even as far back as the 90s that was some serious shit

>>32654782
They fucked up not realizing their attempt was botched from the start.

>>32656034
even then, soldiers still shoot for CNS center mass targets because that's what their reflex training orients them towards

>>32654782
Out of curiousity, what would happen if they managed to kill a majority or all the cops on scene?

>>32661292

a tank shows up

>>32655129
>AWB 1994
>NHS 1997
You're retarded

>>32661292
National Guard probably gets called in, and/or they attempt to escape with a chopper tracking their location from a height that small arms cannot reach.

Cop killers don't tend to live long.

>>32655745
what about flechettes? im not very familiar with shotgun penetration values

>>32655651
yeah, but after Ledger did his little number on the screen, you aren't getting near anyone you don't like who knows it with a sharp pencil and a smirk

>>32655212
I wonder how the FBI shootout would turn out if one of the agents had a rifle as well?

Didn't that one courthouse shooting also show just how fucked pistols vs rifle is? Luckily one nearby cop had his AR on him from target shooting that day.

>>32661410

>>cop detected.

No one will care when you die in the line of duty, save some old grandpa's who love the taste of uncle sam's dick.

>>32655162
They wore Type IIIA bulletproof vest. It did it's job of stopping buck shot.

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>>32661410
>attempt to escape with a chopper tracking their location from a height that small arms cannot reach.

This is one of those things that never ceases to amaze me about cops. Mind you, I grew up around cops as my grandfather was the chief in a small town. So, I knew every cop in town, and still do.

Cops, 95% of time, will do everything in their power NOT TO DEESCALATE a situation.

Oh, fuck, heavily armed robbers are walking away with $10k in a crowded area. Better initiate a firefight with them.

I get a lot of times cops don't get to pick when and wear their battles take place, but when fate gives you the chance to pick the time and place, fucking take it.

Cops do a great job, but they do it in the most inefficient and dangerous way they can think of sometimes.

>>32655177
To wipe out gangs? 100%. I'd love to see soldiers rip through gang infested neighborhoods.
I love that we have laws and measures to protect us as citizens. However growing up in a rough ghetto, the cops know who is up to no good. Always. There's no hidden characters. Spotting a bad guy is alot easier than you would think.
My parents grew up behind the Iron Curtain, and god do I hate communism but my mother to this day says "You could be a 9 year old girl, by herself in a dark park at night, not a soul would touch you". Because being that retard who acts on his weird sexual/murderous urges means you and your entire family, and their families family, and their cat, and mouse etc. Are in labor camps or dead.

>>32655222
They were wearing multiple armors sewn together. That's why they weren't going down. They were shot dozens of time, they barely felt a pinch. Literally vest, on vest, on vest sewn together. As well as vests cut out to wrap around their extremities.
What I'm more amazed by is that they didn't get any headshots from the start.

>>32661292
SEND.
MORE.
COPS.

>>32655152
The thing is, there is no law stopping you from owning an MRAP or a similar armored car, so I really have no problems with it. I just think LEOs should have to follow the same laws as the citizens do in any jurisdiction.
>No carbines in cuck states
>Can't load mags all the way in NY
>10 round shorty mags also in shit states
>Having to buy hand guns of the stupid AG list in MA

We'd see a lot of gun laws overturned really quickly.

>>32655368
>a world where guns come loaded from the factory and you throw them away when you are done

>>32662525
THIS RIGHT HERE, NIGGERS, IS WHAT IS MEANT WHEN WE SAY COPS ARE CIVVIES TOO

>>32654782
In all seriousness, their biggest fuck up was not reinforcing their getaway vehicle. I'm not talking about trying to build a homemade armored car, as that would:
A: be a huge undertaking that would look suspicious on the road
and
B: hamper it's get away speed.
Something with a beefy V8 with some 1/4 inch steel plating around a couple of vital areas (radiator, oil pan, gas tank, etc), and some bullet proof/run flat tires would have sufficed.

>>32655197
>since the US was founded
Maybe just a touch before then too

>>32655260
you have a cute hips/waist profile and i want your boipussy

>>32662547

>COPS ARE CIVVIES

This. Nothing pisses me off more than a cop in combat boots and BDU pants. Bitch, put on a tie, some shoes with polish on them, and some slacks that have been pressed. You want to be a soldier? The recruitment office is at the strip mall your mom stands in front of. Otherwise, look like a fucking cop.

You're not a soldier. You're a civilian. Stop pretending.

>>32660333
>Look up the definition of civilian please.

Someone who isn't in the military. Or are you implying that all government employees of the civilian government aren't civilians?

>Cops are not civilians.

They certainly are civilian employees of the civilian government. They are agents of the state but that does not mean they aren't civilians.

>>32662597
I just came out of a /pol/ Anzu-hate thread and this makes me laugh every time.

>>32662596
Since much before. Half the story of this nation's founding is bush war against the natives with occasional peace treaties where the Iroquois gave us land belonging to other tribes.

>>32654782
they didn't disengage while in the early stages where they had the advantage.

>>32654782
Spending too much time spraying and praying and not having a suitable get away vehicle / escape plan to leave the situation as fast as possible esp. when the first LAPD responders were completely overwhelmed and unable to neutralize the threat

>>32660333
Cop here, we're civilians. The powers that be do everything they can to convince you and us that we're a separate class of people because it serves their purposes to place the police above the populace.

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>>32662541
HK is that you?

>>32662603
>>32662611

ci·vil·ian
səˈvilyən/Submit
noun
1.
a person not in the armed services or the police force.

Oxford says otherwise.

>>32662547
>>32662611

Cops are specifically excluded in the definition of civilian by virtue of being armed agents of the state. But that doesn't mean they are military, as the military is forbidden by law from conducting operations within the US(a law I know is constantly violated). And I believe that as armed agents of the state who are specifically tasked with operating within the US they should have to follow the same laws as the rest of us.

>>32662786
C'mon, you know better than that.

>>32662802
Well said, Senpai.

>>32662786

Cop here.

No, we aren't. We are an armed wing of the executive branch of government.

We are tasked to enforce the law the civilian government legislates.

Yeah these guys looked cool and it was exciting watching them spray and pray, but can we talk about a real shootout?

>1986 FBI Miami shootout
>The 1986 FBI Miami shootout was a gun battle that occurred on April 11, 1986, in an unincorporated region of Dade County in South Florida (renamed Miami-Dade in 1997) between eight FBI agents and two serial bank robbers. During the firefight, FBI Special Agents Jerry L. Dove and Benjamin P. Grogan were killed, while five other agents were wounded. The two robbery suspects, William Russell Matix and Michael Lee Platt, were also killed.

Both the robbers were ex-military. One of them was a Ranger who took on 8 FBI all by himself while his partner was knocked unconcious from a headshot early on in the fight.

>>32655745
There was that YouTube video where someone came up with an AP slug that ripped through ar500 no problem

>>32662794
US law begs to differ

Chapter 18 of Title 10

>>32662802
technically firefighters aren't civilians either, says Merriam-Webster

>>32662854
you'd better sauce that shit, hombre

>>32662857
and there we go, the thing that matters more than a dictionary, the FUCKING LAW

>>32654782
-Take drugs to relax their muscles and dull pain (But also slowed them down even more, in addition to the bulky armor)
-Getting spotted walking into the bank
-Staying in the bank for
long than the 8 minutes they planned (Started dicking around with the locked ATMs and trying to find whatever employee had the key)

Everything after that doesn't matter. they were doomed. Spotted, surrounded, and immobile.
While the gunfight itself came down to spray and pray not working for them, or just genuine shit luck, they were never going to get away.
Their past robberies worked because they went in, got everyone down, got the money, then got the fuck out.

The one time they stayed to play with the cops is the time they got killed.

>>32660333
Civilians are everything not military. Cops are not military.

>>32662849
>Platt getting severeal terminal injuries during the gunfight
>Still slicing the pie on FBI agents with his Mini-14
>Platt was a ranger during Vietnam

Dude was a killing machine.

>>32655354
Kek

>>32662802
>>32662786
i work as a thankless mechanic for the FBI and the only thing i've had described related to civ vs not was that most police are civilian police forces because they're sworn officers of the court and enforce laws and do custodial / detention duties.

swat or border patrol are paramilitary because they straddle the line between the military and police forces (they operate as police that have as a policy or charter to conduct security against foreign threats)

while the military is pretty much exclusive to foreign threats as a matter of policy and charter (and often legal restriction).

it's why places that have a national police force or gendarmerie differ from regular police forces.

to wit: a typical beat cop or deputy is a civilian, just like me, with an oath sworn to the state, just like me or an IRS guy, or a DA or whatever

a CBP or Marshall service or HRT is para military

some guy in 10th Mountain or 1/3 Marines is military and no a civ - they have a unique judicial code even.

>>32662878
I guess here we have to make a distinction between defining something legally and defining something in our culture.

>>32662858
I guess nebulous terms are hard
>just fuck my shit up all over the place fampai

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>>32661292
They send in a bulldozer

>>32655111
>>32654865
>>32654782
They hung around to get in a firefight.

They were there to shoot pigs, not rob a bank.

>>32662858
>>32662857
>>32662919
>words mean different things in different contexts

>>32662878
>you'd better sauce that shit, hombre
https://youtu.be/voM13PNFYZI

There you go sir

>>32661292
SWAT was being brought with rifles, and they could have probably gotten their armored vehicle there as well.
The cops on scene ran into gun stores to borrow rifles.
Neither were needed since one robber killed himself and the other was taken down by SWAT arriving in a police car.
I think police figured they had the area secured and the robbers were not going out of the bank, so whatever they could hold the position until whatever they needed arrived, but they got their car down the street and almost stole a pickup.

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>>32662959
In America, the culture is GUN; DON'T MESS WITH IT

>>32662994
>uh-b-b-but in an-n-n-n-other context
IN ANOTHER CONTEXT, YOU'RE A DICK SUCKING FAGGOT

>>32655142
saw a statistic somewhere that something like 60% go unsolved, beats playing the lottery. The downfall is when people get to elaborate or go on sprees.

>>32663042
In another context your post made some sense.

>>32663042
My friend dave has a gun, yet I mess with him all the time.
>if you know what I mean

>>32663077
It's the daring (guns blazing, elaborate plans) or the idiots (Try to rob same bank numerous times, rob bank you use regularly, or try to deposit money at bank you robbed) that get caught/killed.

My ideal plan would be to have two cars.
Park one away from the bank (hidden) and keep a change of clothes in it. Drive up to the bank in the second car (One NOT registered to you). Put on a mask and gloves before arriving. Get out and calmly walk in, show your weapon, get as much money as you can in a few minutes (Don't wait around). Get in the car and drive away to where you hid the first. Ditch the second car, change clothes, drive off away from the bank and lay low.

>>32663133
you forgot to steal a license plate from a same make/model car from the ghost car not registered to you and or report it stolen

>>32662802
If we're not civilians why aren't we immune? We can serve time if our actions aren't in line with the law. Soldiers have immunity, if they shoot through a wall and kill a kid it's just the cost of doing business. If I do it I'll be wearing a fancy orange jumpsuit.

>>32654782
>what was their major flaw that screwed them over?

The first shot they fired.

>>32663268
To a certain extent you are immune, there have been plenty of instances of cops shooting people by accident and getting away with at most loosing their job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Empire_State_Building_shooting

>>32663464
We're immune in cases where the actions taken can be considered reasonable under the totality of circumstances. This applies to the average Joe as well unless you live in some shithole commie state like California where the state is actually above the people.

>>32663684
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-no-charges-lapd-shooting-newspaper-delivery-women-dorner-manhunt-20160127-story.html
This is an extreme example.

Your statement could apply to soldiers too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maywand_District_murders

Soldiers have been charged for killing civilians. So I'm not really sure what you are getting at.

>>32662786
Paycheck "just doing my job" cop
>>32662833
Ex-military "I leave my doors unlocked because there is a chance I can get away murdering the robber" cop

One is there to try to bring peace to your community and feels he can allow himself to be a little lax on the law depending on the situation, the other is the "I am the law" spurg that tries to take way too much authority into his own hands wheen its his turn to put on the cute little uniform and go on a patrol.

Know the difference, fight me faggot.

>>32659977
The FDIC covers insolvency, not robbery or anything else other than the bank fucking the dog. Google it

>>32655162
Nonsense. A 12 guage with 00 buck is like being hit with 9 rnds of 9mm at once. Crazy ballistic power just not against armor.

>>32663019
So even the police taste what it's like to have to wait for their police? They even scrambled to get baby killing assault rifles.
Fucking hypocrites.

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They needed a getaway helicopter to evac from the rooftop, not a fucking Honda accord.

>>32662833
>No, we aren't. We are an armed wing of the executive branch of government.
>We are tasked to enforce the law the civilian government legislates.

wow, you should say that to everyone you meet. Sound so very professional! So if a law is passed in your area stating anyone who says anything negative about your mayor has to be shot and killed, are you the first one out there, patrolling?

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OP here, here some pics of their weps

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>>32661292
they practically let them go but they robbers decided to stay and fight which screwed them over allowing swat to show up.

>>32664287
But anon, they are tasked to enforce the law the civilian government legislates. It may be a little weird to walk around giving out your job description, but he wouldn't be incorrect.

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>>32656063
all the clothes are the same which were used in the robbery so yes that is the mask. most likely washed.

>tfw one of tge shooters is from your country
>he had acess to guns while I can't get jack shit in this country
Reeeee

>>32664287

Literally what?

That is the job of the police, to enforce laws.

That being said, all US police officers, sheriff's deputies, and military personnel promise to defend and uphold the constitution.

So my answer would be no, because killing people for stupid shit is pretty clearly against the interests of the constitution.

God, why do people always do this? Just take something to the absolute maximum extreme and pretend others said it. It makes you sound really stupid.

Also, what is this meme where half of /k/ is statist bootlickers that want to kill all minorities/jews/gays/people who think differently, and the other half are sovereign citizen nutjobs that want to kill all of the cops and government officials?

>>32654865
Also firing into the roof as soon as they walked in and also 80ish rounds at safety depsite boxes didn't help.

>>32664360
>and the other half are sovereign citizen nutjobs that want to kill all of the cops and government officials?
because of the bad apples who are blown out of proportion in the media, coupled with the fact that there's a lot of isolated "us vs. them" mentality which leads to "we gotta stick together" and you get situations where bad cops keep doing bad things and no one alerts others or higher ups about it until media circus parks their ass on a fuck up that catches their attention.

>>32664287
>So if a law is passed in your area stating anyone who says anything negative about your mayor has to be shot and killed

When has this ever happened? lmfao

You're not supposed to present an argument that only generates laughter and mockery in response.

>>32662959
>defining something in our culture.

Cops wanting to play soldier doesn't change that under US law anyone in a law enforcement role who is not an MP, SF, or SP is a civilian LEO and therefore a civilian.

>>32655129
101 California begat the AWB.

>>32664397

See, I keep seeing this said, but I don't believe it.

I don't hang out with cops outside of work, and IA has been chomping at the bit to shit can someone over a use of force gone wrong since forever.

All I see, from the cop side of things, is the media hounding us, folks on the Internet hounding us, BLM wanting to kill us, and this loose confederation of FOPs and Unions that pretend to represent us to all of these groups while simultaneously refusing to talk to the cops on the ground.

I really wish I didn't want to be a cop, but ever since I was a little boy this is what I wanted to do, and it fucking sucks that everyone hates me for it, even though every single citizen I've interacted with will tell you I'm one of "the good ones"

>>32664356
guy who got the AK's bought them legally even tho he was an convicted felon, piss you off more?

>>32664438
I agree with you. But all the fucking boot lickers don't.

>>32664298
Is that 2 20 round mags welded together on the hk91?

>>32663852

You're wrong and here is why.

90% of the cops that do stupid things respond with "but it's just muh job"

I take my job extremely seriously, considering that I am commissioned by my fellow citizens to enforce the laws legislated by the civil government that was elected by the same citizenry.

I am held to a higher standard, my job is to make my community safer. My job is to protect and serve those that reside in my jurisdiction. I will happily lay down my life for peace and freedom. I will fight and kill to defend the constitution of the United States. It isn't just a job to me, you're right. This means that I will go further and fight harder than anyone that looks at it like it's just another job to collect a paycheck from.

That being said, let me tell you how I personally police.

I don't write tickets, levying an extra tax on someone that may or may not be able to pay it will not make the streets safer. And yes, I don't write tickets even if they're being assholes during the stop.

I try to not arrest minor drug offenders, because making someone go to jail when they may or may not be able to post bond could ruin their lives, and they go from pot heads to selling dope just to make ends meet.

So now you tell me if I still get off on killing random people.

>>32664482
Romania has the worst fucking gun laws
>if you want interesting guns you need a collector's liscence, you arent allowed to own ammo and handguns made after 1945
If you actually wanna shoot
>hunter's liscence
>only allowed a few bullets
>only a few guns allowed
IT'S HELL

>>32664397
But bad apples ruin the whole bushel anon.

The main problem is the flagrant obfuscation of the rule of law in this country. Federal code USC chapter 18 sections 241 and 242 make it a federal third degree felony for ANY government employee to deprive rights under color of law and the act of conspiring to do so as well. This law stands supreme to state laws via the supremacy clause of the US constitution. Yet this hasn't stopped all 50 states from enacting laws that state you cannot resist unlawful arrest and that no exception is acceptable in self defense if the assailant is a police officer. Since qualified immunity is granted to state police by their respective states unless they are working with federal powers, the commission of a unlawful arrest or conspiring to do so is a federal crime and voids any protections granted by a state government. Combine this legal truth with the states refusing to recognize or enforce the law as it stands, it turns the act into blatant organized crime and because the federal government is also notorious in not following and abiding by its own legal duties and functions, it leads to this widespread abuse of power that many people have grown to despise and hate. The deterioration of the grand jury function leaving the hands of the people to almost exclusive abuse by court officials only has lead to the public breaking point where people openly despise and hate police is rightly garnered for the most part. If police knew that people could defend themselves and take the lives of felonious police officers if need be and said officers were powerless to do so because federal law was actually being enforced and departments were subject to disbarment or worse if they tried otherwise, we would not see the heavy degree of public mistrust and in many cases outright animosity that we are seeing today.

>>32664562
no, taped

>>32654782

getting fucked up on benzos before the robbery was their main problem, followed closely by their not running away when the police arrived.

>>32664652
guess you haven't seen this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q44yGYlUoQQ

>>32664464
If a fellow officer violates procedure or law in your presence, what will you do?

https://youtu.be/wZg4mcYkIwU?t=539

>>32664668

>ask him to stop
>if he does, request a report on the incident
>if he does not, go to his supervisor
>if the supervisor does nothing, go to IA

We have a code of conduct for this thing specifically. That being said, fucking up and forgetting part of SOP (there is a ton of stuff to remember even for simple things like traffic stops) and a flagrant violation of someone's rights or what is acceptable are very different.

>>32664644

Oh wow. Found the sov citizen nutter.

>can't defend yourself from cops

Except for that case where the guy killed cops during a no knock and it was ruled self defense by the SCOTUS, right?

>>32664685
Minor SOP violations, sure, just mention it. I mean, incorrect actions that adversely affect/ tick off those you view as "civilians".
I'm wondering, but not asking, how often this ever happens.

>>32664694
Shoudn't've gone that far, should it?

>>32664729

Very rarely. The only time I've had to actually bench a cop, like, pull him aside, tell him he's out of line and to sit the fuck down in the cruiser like a child was this one officer that would not stop hitting on women and trying to take them home *in fucking uniform, on duty*

He was on his FTO, we just cut him loose.

Most shitbags don't last through the academy or FTO, the rest wash out within 4 years. The job itself is actually kinda shitty and the pay isn't that good, so unless you just REALLY want to provide minor inconveniences to people or write stupid tickets, you're gonna quit if your heart isn't in it.

>>32664736

No, no knocks are stupid, used way outside of their intended scope, and recklessly dangerous to both cops and civilians.

>>32658338
A big fucking slug

>>32664777
I have 2 cops-in-law, and they make plenty (Richmond, CA), but a chunk of that is still selling back vacation.
Still, one has a McMansion, the other a rented townhouse because he blows a LOT of money. Even with his RN wife's income.
tl; dr move to Cali for $$$

>>32664729
>>32664777

Also, let me explain why cops are more careful now:

Legal support isn't a given anymore, if you were one hair outside SOP and get sued, you're fucked. No lawyer for you.

If you are in the hood, and are an assholes to aunt Jemima, she may not be a gangster, but her grandson might be a crip, or a blood, or whatever the fuck, and they might want to fuck with you now, even more so that just because you are a cop.

Community reputation is everything. Want witnesses? Want information? Want cooperation? Want easy arrests? It is way, way easier to get that as "officer basketball who is a part of dem after skool programs and is a super nice guy" than "officer jackass who hip tossed granny Jones"

I mean, the entire reason I originally wanted to be a cop was because I grew up poor and almost got into drugs and shit really bad, and wanted to help kids like me, but even if that isn't where your heart is at, it is smarter to take the path of least resistance, not to mention that you should have a fucking heart anyway, as a civil servant.

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>>32654782
>>32664298
>>32664311

>>32664862

I mean, you aren't wrong. I started put on streets as a cop and made $38k, got off FTO and made $45k, and now am sitting at MSgt. At $76k.

It's a good chunk of change, but for all of the bullshit you put up with as a boot out of the academy, making less than $40k at the start was rough, especially for the hours worked and inability to take side jobs yet. Side jobs are a cop's fun money.

Also, it is very different for different agencies.

>>32664894
>100% the reason for Europe's ban on museum piece guns

>>32664868
>Legal support isn't a given anymore, if you were one hair outside SOP and get sued, you're fucked. No lawyer for you.
Brought about mostly by idiots who went too far.

>If you are in the hood, and are an assholes to aunt Jemima, she may not be a gangster, but her grandson might be a crip, or a blood, or whatever the fuck, and they might want to fuck with you now, even more so that just because you are a cop.
>Community reputation is everything. Want witnesses? Want information? Want cooperation? Want easy arrests? It is way, way easier to get that as "officer basketball who is a part of dem after skool programs and is a super nice guy" than "officer jackass who hip tossed granny Jones"
Shouldn't this be obvious from the get-go? Or at least taught somewhere?
>I mean, the entire reason I originally wanted to be a cop was because I grew up poor and almost got into drugs and shit really bad, and wanted to help kids like me, but even if that isn't where your heart is at, it is smarter to take the path of least resistance, not to mention that you should have a fucking heart anyway, as a civil servant.
I wish you well.

>>32664694
Not even sovereign citizen.

Look up USC chapter 18 sections 241 and 242 respectively, then look up your local state laws in regard to resisting unlawful arrest and the laws regarding deadly force if the attacker/ assailant is a police officer. Odds are the state claims no legal defense exists for resisting arrest or using force against an officer to stop said arrest. This claim by the state is nullified directly by federal law making the act of unlawful arrest a federal felony.
Federal law in accordance with lawful functions established by the constitution in the enforcement of the bill of rights are held supreme to any state laws that violate or attempt to undermine those federal laws. The blatant disregard for this established precedent makes the violators criminals and if more than two are involved its organized crime. Sorry jack.

>>32664926
What seems to be their boggle?

>>32664938
It came up in a forum and everyone joked about how the people who decided to do that must have watched that scene from Demolition Man.

>>32664928

It should be obvious, but it isn't. A lot of guys come into the game with the wrong mentality. I could go on and on about the faults of the academy, recruitment, and perceived verses actual duties of a modern police force, but in this day and age the only way to become a legitimately good cop that gets results is to work the streets for a few years and figure out what works in the communities you patrol.

The recruitment and academy complex has failed the modern day police force, that's all I can say.

>>32664934
Oh shit, btfo

>>32664961
Your job is your business. I'd drink with you, have a jolly time. Even be your friend. However, I'm fully aware you're who I will be killing in defense of he constitution when shit goes unamerican and you're just doing your job...

>>32664934
You would have to show that the officer intended to make an unlawful arrest.
Good luck with that.

>>32664934

Yes, the two are in conflict, you should file a lawsuit and get that changed.

As I already said, SCOTUS already ruled that you can kill cops in self defense.

>>32665015

No, if it comes down to it, I'll be the one fighting in the streets so you don't have to.

Defending the constitution is literally my job, same as the military. If we fail, then you can risk your own skin. By that point I'll already be dead though, so no, you won't be trying to kill me.

>>32664668
>>32664729
>>32664736
>>32664862
>>32664928
are me.
>>32665015
is some asshole.

Good night, all.

>>32665039
Guess I'll be calling you brother, hope we never have to.

>>32665026
The scope of which defense is lawfully accepted is very limited and small, its getting better but unless we see actual enforcement of federal functions like USC 18 sections 241 and 242, then the concessions we are currently seeing are simply piecemeal steps with little actual impact. Mandatory minimums for violations would go alot further in curbing this problem by skipping the state based departments ability to shield their officers from prosecution. The rise in states restoring constitutional carry and deregulating arms carry is gonna go along way in making officers think twice before conducting unlawful actions if the populace is potentially armed and ready to defend themselves as well.

>>32665096

>think twice

Yeah, but as has been stated, most cops have no desire to be assholes that want to steal your rights.

I like constitutional carry because armed citizens help cops. If I'm on the losing end of a fight with a perp, I hope someone other than me has a gun to help out.

Twice this year already civilians have saved cops, once a cop was shot, a civilian parked his car, provided first aid, and then CPR when his heart stopped, (he was revived and is expected to make a full recovery). Just last week someone ambushed a cop and a motorist stopped, killed the perp, and picked up the wounded trooper's radio and radioed for assistance before providing first aid.

So this argument that somehow more good guys with guns scares cops is silly. I WANT all of you armed. I WANT everyone to have a gun, because if someone starts shit, and things get bad for me, I have potentially dozens of people ready to help me.

I don't want to take your rights dude, I just want to make my community safer.

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>>32664938
>He doesn't know how to use the three seashells

>>32665160
I personally feel the same as you on the matter as well and I'm glad you feel the conviction you do, but the truth at the end of the day is that if the populace can remained armed as originally intended, then national and civil security is better ensured and protected even from possible internal threats if it ever came down to it. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

>>32655391
I just LOVE other fuckin countries. They accuse you of being an arrogant american for not knowing about every fucking thing about thier shitty itty bitty postage stamp sized country nobody gives a fuck about, you run into em anywhere in America and they are babbling a mile a minute in thier own language acting frustrated that nobody in america bothered to learn thier language in preperation for their arrival.

>>32665457
Shut up fag. Any cunt I've met from another country was no different than a cunt from here. Simply stomp their ass for being a cunt.

>>32665160
Eh, there ARE asshole cops.

My dad was the senior training officer for his department, was doing ride alongs with the sheriffs department for a college project when they got a new sherriff.

He immiediatley began hiring and appointing lackeys to high positions who were the kind of dumb thugs who only listen to him, dont do jack shit without his say-so, and dont give half a fuck about the citizens or even thier fellow cops.

Was in the office talking to the beat cops about the issues facing our area and could overhear the sherriff talking to his gaggle-fuck of bootlickers about the stuff that would give them an excuse to declare martial law and what citizens in the area would be most dangerous, and ways to get the army called in if it got too bad.
Mind you it wasnt just like, SOP planning or anything, these guys werent preparing for disaster or how to avoid it, they were just sitting around the coffee machine having a curcle-jerk over how cool it would be if they could suspend constitutional rights and go full gestappo on the citizens.

Needless to say the guy ran the department into the ground since all of his actual decent officers bailed out for other agencies and one of his dipshit lackeys shot a guy at the fair who wasnt armed and evidence seems to point to the cop intimidating him into running so hed have an excuse to shoot him.

Guy was fired for baiting a known mentally ill man into an episode so he could shoot him at his last department and this sherriff just hired him no questions asked because he was good at kissing ass.

Needless to say, my dad found himself the only sane guy in the department and retired. Kicker, people call his house about emergency stuff because they trust him more than the actual cops we got walking around our community now.

Its sick to watch, we had a great group of guys who really cared about thier community, now we got these moronic fat psuedo-faschists waddling around daydreaming about shooting people.

>>32665502

Oh there are assholes cops, but they're in the minority, and unfortunately it sounds like the sheriff of your county is a cunt and has decided to hire shitbags that can't get on at other agencies. The one solace is that once that sheriff gets voted out, his deputies will go with him, and again be completely unable to find a job as a cop.

Cops and agencies like that are whittling down to nothing. You simply can't run agencies like that and get away with it anymore, with a small handful of exceptions that soon will also go the way of the dinosaur.

>>32665529
Yeah, like I said, I grew up in a cop family so I spent a lot of time at the station.

What it was is that hes the egotistical scumbag who assumes that if an employee is excelling it must mean they are after his job, so he only hires shitbags who pose no threat to his position.

Any officers who actually demonstrate competence were harassed out of his force.

Anyone who demonstrated competence or autonomy were being constantly slapped with frivilous internal investigations, reprimands, and suspensions until they jumped ship or retired.

My dad became a target of his ire because somebody joked that after 23 years in the department he oughtta run for sherriff next. If he did he'd win, everyone in the damned county loves him, even guys hes arrested tell me how great of a guy he is, but my dad just doesnt like the politics involved.

In any case the sherriff overheard it and after that the sherriff started fuckin with his cases with red tape then giving written reprimands for the delays when court dates,are missed.

Dad is a complete autist when it comes to cop work, hes never even had a verbal reprimand in his entire career. He saw the writing on the wall and retired.

Point is, theres ALWAYS going to be bad cops, our case here is a lot worse than most, usually there only 1 or 2 per organization, we just got hit with a fuckin shitstorm here and gotta put up with it for now.

>>32656732
Confirmed Spetzzzz nazzz operator.

>>32654782
Well, that would be the cops commiting a felony by aquiring assault weapons without any background check.

>>32664152
and a 12ga foster slug is like being hit with a downhive reloaded heavy boltshell

>>32663819
soldiers only have free remit to kill other soldiers and noncooperative/belligerent potentially or actually armed noncombatants that may or may not be nonuniformed combatants

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>>32664595
well, holy shit, civic cops do exist

>>32663202
Steal 3 or 4 license plates from similar cars and shuffle them. The average person doesn't look at their plate enough to realize it's different

>>32664961
>the system is broken at all levels of society
tell us more about the banalities of life

>>32664464
you might not have a bad unit then, the more this shit comes out it looks like these bad apples came out of rotten baskets

abusive police units breed abusive cops

or, a bad apple in the bunch will soon have a bad apple at the top spreading the rot

>>32664644
>>32664934
THIS.

>>32665021
what's his probable cause, where's his warrant? If you can't answer either of those satisfactorily, then the arrest is unlawful.

>>32663852
>murder
>robber

pick one.

murder only occurs when the victim is innocent

>>32665457
I met a nice german guy once, he apologized for his accent and I almost tripped over myself saying how nice it was to hear something new while helping him find the detergent aisle

>>32667656
what? just switch the plates out in sequence so the authorities have to run through three other cars before finding your vehicle?

don't forget you also need a second plate on hand to switch with the plate you had on during the action

>>32662468
Stress will make most people do stupid things

and from their Point of view they dont know if they will get a better oppurtunity, so they will most likely take the first one that comes along

>>32664868
>hip tossed granny jones
I AM THE LAW

>>32655075
Then why is California anti

>>32655371
>New Zealand police are completely disarmed
Thats simply not true, man. They aren't armed as standard carry, but they have access to Glocks and ARs as the situation permits, even in my zero-crime backwater town. Rural cops may sometimes have an AR in their boot for the purposes of (shit you not) dealing with escaped sheep.

>>32655129
>complaining about police militarization
Yeah, because getting stabbed by some heroin junkie is so much better than letting the cops do their jobs.

>>32668116
Do you think APCs and expensive carbines are going to stop people from getting hooked on opiates and shiving people for their wallets?

>>32669208
If they were actualy used how they are supposed to be, yes.
Look at the philippines. Pretty damn effective.

>>32669761
That has more to do with encouraging the populace to take things into their own hands, which both creates an omnipresent informant network, and encourages people to turn themselves in before something unpleasant happens to them. The state enforcers could be armed with pump guns and revolvers and still pull this off.

>>32660028
ned kelly samurai...kek

>>32654782
If you watch the documentary, they did drugs a lot. That and they went too far, the final heist in Point Break is a great example of it.

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>>32669924
You're a fucking imbecile.

I look at European states who have airborne gendarmeries on top of their police forces, readiness police in barracks equipped with these massive water cannon trucks, field/military police who have universal jurisdiction, and it's been like this for decades in Germany, France, etc., and I cannot for the life of me fathom how Americans think their police are "militarized". Every single advance American police have made in upgrading their weapons or armor or vehicle complement has come as the direct reaction to a serious crime committed against police, such as:

>norco shootout
>FBI miami shootout
>north hollywood shootout
>black panther gun and bomb attacks on police in 60s and 70s

And it's just fucking on and on and on; all they ever do is react to the existing threat, and these faggot civil libertarians—like you—screech to fucking high heaven that the cops don't have the right to protect themselves because you're personally not bothered by marijuana.

Go and choke to death on raw milk, you fucking stupid bastard. The police have every right to armored vehicles and rifles and night vision. What matters is how they use such implements, and it's generally enforcing laws—some good, some stupid—that they didn't write but are expected to uphold.

>>32655129

Either you replace the police with the military, which is illegal, or you miltarize the police, which is legal.

I personally wished we had a land equivalent to the Coast Guard, in regards to how they operate and their general outlook. They seem to be the most competent of all the US's law enforcement agencies.

>>32655430
Don't.forget, civilians showed up with hunting rifles and engaged Whitman, while Austin Police assaulted the tower.

>>32664898
>$76k
>Also, it is very different for different agencies.
You're not kidding. One place I was looking at applying to down south paid like shit. Now I'm in the process with Chicago and they pay 42k in the academy/probation and 71k when/if you finish probation.

>>32675627

Yeah if I went troopers I'd be making well over 6 figures by now.

>>32662002
>nigger detected

>>32675680
>troopers
kek fuck that. No way would I be a State Trooper. The state i'm in now they're looked down on, even by LEO's and they have trouble retaining people.

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>>32654782
>what was their problem
trying to play deathwish without any of the fucking bullshit p2w dlc

>>32675756

Oh I agree. That's why I refuse to work for them.

>>32665529
>but they're in the minority

That still isn't good enough. Bad cops being a minority stays that way because they get entrenched in departments. They are either protected by the higher ups, protected by the union, or get passed around from department to department, causing trouble everywhere they go.

Until we have grand juries stop being fucking retards who don't bring the cop in even when there's tons of video evidence, we're going to have a problem enforcing laws against officers, and they will continue to be seen as a protected class.

>>32667829
The best part is that the gun shops who lent police the rifles were then charged with unauthorized transfer of firearms under state law

>>32676089

>didn't read the rest of the post

You simply don't have any idea what you're talking about. Good departments (see: grand majority) are weeding them out as aggressively as possible.

>>32676089
>>32676142

Sorry, I was trolling captain retard in another thread.

>>32676142
Grand juries are retarded, mate. They're so retarded that one state (can't recall), tried to make it so police can be taken to a judge instead of a grand jury. That was taken as unconstitutional (which it is), but its a good example of how bad its gotten in places.

Which means those shit police that are getting weeded out will probably never see justice for their actions.

If only I could just get fired for murdering someone in cold blood, instead of rounded up, taken to court, then sent to death row.

>>32676204

>cold blood

When this happens, they do, in fact, go to prison.

When there is not enough evidence to convict, they are fired.

Remember, the Grand Juries that choose not to indict, are civilians outside of the police force.

>>32664671
lmao this shit is so weak. didnt even get a block away before he an heroed
2/5 stars

>>32676241
Prosecutors are the ones in charge of presenting the case to these grand juries. In some districts, they're are shit at presenting their case (either on purpose, so they can get the case taken and say they tried, but its politically advantageous to them, or on accident because they simply suck at it for some reason). When you have video evidence of a police officer shooting a man in the back and then planting a gun, then still getting off, the prosecutor fucked up badly.

It only makes sense for the prosecutor. Its in their best interest to keep the police in their good graces, and that means being soft when police 'make a mistake' or something like that.

>>32655354
Fuckin laughed

>>32654901

>k robs a bank

>>32676284

>one hold out vote
>mistrial
>probably going to get found guilty

What's wrong with this? This is literally how American justice is designed.

Or should cops go to prison for murder on a 11-1 where everyone else needs a 12-0?

It's a shitty shoot, he needs to go to prison. He will, there is a single holdout juror and a mistrial.

>>32662002
oh hey man i hate dickheads as much as the next guy but nobody deserves a bullet for the simple fact of being law enforcement

>>32674406
Good job constructing a straw man bud.
I was taking about how the situation in the Philipines has nothing to do with how the police are equipped. A point which you are obviously unable to refute as you started talking about something completely different.

>>32655371
>lolno, thats a direct response to their BS claim of police being militerised and profiling and murdering black people

FTFY

It's not like armored car are being used for DUI checkpoints. They use them only in times when they are needed like kicking in the door of a violent felon or when a big group of idiots is chucking rocks and molotov cocktails. BLM has absolutely no legitimate excuse for their actions since their entire mission statement has been debunked.

Anyone remember that time when a group of Army Rangers robbed a bank and almost got away with it?

>>32667788
Did you slip on your spaghetti?

>>32664595
Never liked cops, but I can genuinely say you seem like a outstanding one. You had better follow through on your word nigger. God bless

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>>32655260
One had an AR ya' dip.

>>32654865
>missing the whole point of the robbery

it was just to kill cops idiot. a real bank robber would have gtfo of there asap

>>32655672
Its pretty fucking hard to hit a target the size of a head at distance, whitlist two gunmen sling more rounds your way than all of the entire responding LEOs did.

>>32655686
Once they know who you are there's no point. Unless you somehow manage to leave the country, which is insanely hard to do under those circumstances, you'll never be able to enjoy the returns of the robberies if everyone and their fucking dog is looking for you.

You'll never be able to trust anyone because your best friend or brother may turn you on for that fat stack of reward money, you have to spend your life hiding and constantly worry that literally anyone who sees you might recognize you, and don't plan on settling down anywhere or staying in the same place too long.

It's either off yourself or face the charges.

>>32684456
you're dumb as fuck. holy shit

>>32654782
Not being able to drive stick

>>32654782
You sadistic fux.

>>32662962
i miss when payday 2 was good and not swamped with shit dlcs.

>>32655256
story to this?

>>32654782
using dated slavshit and chink shit for starters

the dudes AK jammed multiple times, and was basically patterned like a shotgun. the only people he hit was on accident with bullet fragments and ricochets

>>32655260
>tfw your pants fall off on your 4th mag reload because your belt was cinched around the mags and is now 2 inches too loose