Is this (in .223) a good deal for a first time deer and turkey rifle?

get a .308

>>32633305
This. .223 is a varmint caliber.

>>32633253
Just get a .270 or .308 so you have a rifle that can fulfill a wide array of hunting needs.

.223 is an intermediate cartridge that is okay for varmints/coyotes and in some states is not legal for deer. Listen to those "some states" for the sake of the animal.

>>32633253
You can take deer with .223, but its not ideal.

Its be fine for Turkey, if you don't have a scatter gat.

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You can kill a deer with .223 no problem; just use a good expanding bullet.

.223 is terribpe for hunting anything larger than a coyote. Sure it can be done but its usually undue misery for the animal, assuming it doesn't die of infection a few weeks later after ut runs and hides.
I assume you live in the East/South where the generic white tail deer is the size of a large dog, but its even worse if you hubt actual deer found in the North and West

I have never hunted turkey, i cant imagine it not working but i think the preferred weapon is a shotgun

You want a mossberg 835 friendo

>>32633342
kill yourself if you're using .223 to hunt deer, you're a piece of shit if you can't just use .308 for the sake of the animal.

>>32633253
May not be legal for turkey. Check your local laws.

>>32633360
I can shoot my rifle in 223 beter than my 308. I can also say i have dropped a deer more immediately with a 5.56 than i have with my 308. Dont get me wrong i love the 308 but a neckshot with small bullet>vitals with bigger bullet

>>32633372
This, there are only a few states that allow rifles for turkey hunting.

>Bolt action .223
end thyself

>>32633336
What about 5.56 being a higher pressure round? That brass fucking flies out of my mini 14

>>32633604
Higher pressure than what? Pressure doesn't even mean anything unless you're pushing a case to its maximum PSI.


Your mini14 wasting energy flinging brass is not a reliable qualifier

>>32633253
for the same price or lower just get a savage in 308.
don't just buy a rifle and find out it's useless, do it right the first time.

Only use heavy ammo with hollow points on deer. I'm taking 77gr IMI Razor Core or Black Hills Ordinance 77gr

>>32633253
.30-06, .308, and .30-30WIN are better suited.

.223 is a varmint caliber. Outside of the humane kill argument you're setting yourself up for failure by using an underpowered cartridge for the intended target.

7mm/08 or 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor if you are a small person in size or new shooter

>>32634757

Thirty Thirty best round when you pushing bush Prove me wrong tacticalfags.

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>>32633360

Go for a 308, if you insist on 223, might as well just buy an AR.

>>32633658
5.56 is a higher pressure round than 223

>>32633360
Decent soft tip .223 is plenty enough to drop deer.

>>32633331
This

>>32635936
>Thirty Thirty best round when you pushing bush
I know this is bait, but...
.454 Casul
.44 Rem Mag
.358 Win
35-.348
.35 Whelen
.anything not a 30-30

>>32633342

"Deer" is pretty fucking vague, you might be hunting 100lb sitkas or 300lb mules depending on where you live. 40m or 400m may be your typical ranges.

Also, that's not an ethical way to take down an animal. I get its pure subsistence hunting (supposedly, but these shows are all reality bullshit) but I wouldn't use it as a positive example.

is it viable to hunt deer with a nugget?

>>32636613
>can I shoot a deer with a rifle that is basically rimmed .308
Gee, don't know.

>>32636623
I'm a little stupid, sue me

>>32636623
a better answer would have been to suggest some ammo with a decent hunting bullet sitting on top. keep being a fucking asshole though, that's what this board is here for.

>>32636642
You're beyond stupid. Just don't use FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) to kill deer.

>>32636680
I know at least that much. I'm still taking the online hunter's ed course

>>32633360
.308 will instantly kill a deer with proper shot placement.

.556 will instantly kill a deer with proper shot placement.

Deer doesn't give a shit and neither should you.

dumb question but if 223 isn't enough for deer would 556 be? The deer around me are basically all whitetail if that helps

>>32636705
Good man, support your local Opossum Police. Any soft tip x54r should do the trick. Depending on your location and size of your sporting goods store you can find a box of hunting ammo, if not. Hop on the interwebs and order one.

>>32633305
>HURR HURR just get 50BMG off the bat you dont want to get into hunting and then cuck yourself with a babby caliber HURR HURR

Since you don't shoot guns or go hunting you shouldn't have replied your gay meme

>>32636717
Depends on the size of the deer. Southern overgrown dogs drop if you fart hard enough in their general direction. Bigger mule deer will drop with proper shot placement. It's up to your local laws saying what you can hunt with. As for .223/5.56 doesn't matter. Just don't put 5.56 in your gun if it says .223 on the barrel.

>>32633658
>>32636273
yeah I was saying that compared to the .223 the 5.56 has a noticably higher bang and casing-whip. It also bites into my rubber flip toys a lot harder. Is it still not viable for durr? I'm going to be getting a proper caliber rifle before fall anyway and I hate coyotes so the ranch rifle will still reach out and touch some critters either way.

>>32636739
thanks m8, my barrel says 556 so I should be good to use that. When it comes to hunting is there any practical difference between 223 and 556?

>>32636563
>"Deer" is pretty fucking vague, you might be hunting 100lb sitkas or 300lb mules depending on where you live. 40m or 400m may be your typical ranges.
You could apply all those qualities to humans, and 5.56/.223 excels against them.

>Also, that's not an ethical way to take down an animal
If you actually cared about the animal's well-being you wouldn't be shooting it to kill it.

>>32636273
False. The average .223 budget load is lower than NATO specs but the top end loadings dick slap the NATO loadings

Is .45 ok for deer? I know it's kinda slow but it's a huge bullet.

>>32633253
223 is perfectly adequate for deer if your state allows it.

For the price, the Ruger American is a better mousetrap.

>>32636756
Nah, not enough to worry over.

>>32633253
not legal to shoot bambi with rifle in all states

check your local laws

Why not just get a 7mm-08?
It has grain sizes that shit all over .223 while still being able to go smaller than .308, and it has the same reach as a .308 where shooting a deer with a .223 past 100yd seems retarded.
I mean if you're some fud with a blind 30yd from a feeder then get the .223 if your state lets you.

>>32636756
Minor differences in neck angle.

5.56 is held in a tight tolerance load and dimensions

.223 is practically a wildcard per manufacturer as long as they fall between established min/max tolerances

>>32636773
it's fine within 50 yards

>>32636776
kewl

>>32636846
is tula good for hunting then? it's what I use for target practice and I have some american eagle 556 for HD

>>32636763
>If you actually cared about the animal's well-being you wouldn't be shooting it to kill it.

yes and no. i understand your point, but the bag limit here was increased because the herd needed to be culled to help curtail the chronic wasting disease

say what you want about fudds, but we're usually pretty into conservation. so our grandchildren can have venison tenderloin, too.

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>>32633253

Get a .30-06 or a .308 for durr.

>>32636875
why no Vanguard S2? Same price as some on the list, but with a sub MOA guarantee.

>>32636734
I don't get this meme that a new hunter needs the smallest possible caliber since he is inexperienced. If you put 30 rounds through a .308 and get used to the trigger and the recoil, what the fuck does it matter if what caliber you're hunting with, the .308 it isn't magically gonna curve around the deer just because you're an inexperienced hunter.

>>32636708
>.556
This explodes the deer

>>32636875
.270 is also good for deer (necked down .30-06) but even online it's like $0.60 a round.

>>32636875
Just recently got a Ruger American in .308, would recommend, just get the heavier grained rounds in the ~170 range if you want accuracy since the barrels on them are 1:10

>>32636937
I was thinking about getting a rifle in .270 but decided to go with .308 because of the costs

.300 Win Mag for durr and elk. Never let me down.

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>>32636875
>>32636937

I recommended .308 or .30-06 because there are other interesting guns that chamber them.

.308 is cheaper and is used by many modern battle rifles (FAL, SCAR, etc.).

.30-06 is more powerful and effective for any game in North America and you can use it in the glorious M1 Garand although you'll need to buy a ported gas plug to use .30-06 other than standard M1 ball.

http://www.garandgear.com/ported-gas-plug.html

>>32636970
>I was thinking about getting a rifle in .270 but decided to go with .308 because of the costs
so you shoot your deer rifle on the daily, and a $3 difference in ammo cost is a big deal?

>>32636773
Best Deer gun I ever had was a .44 Mag Deerfield from Ruger. .45 is fine.

>>32637081
>.300 Win Mag for durr and elk.
overkill for deer, and I guarantee that you've never had a bullet make it through both shoulders of an Elk

>>32637161
Not only that but if some stuff starts going down and it looks like SHTF, I can buy a couple hundred rounds of .308 cheaper than .270. And the other reason might sound like a meme but if it really got bad, 7.62x51mm and .308 are widely used so if I had to scavenge there's a higher chance of finding it than .270

>>32636862
Tulammo is nearly universally garbage. Its great for training and paper targets but it has terrible hunting properties. It either instantly fragments ruining meat, or blows right through allowing the durr to run and hide, dieing of infection later.


Its not the most accurate either, so if you're already relying on shot placement you might have a bad time

>>32637367
> if some stuff starts going down and it looks like SHTF, I can buy a couple hundred rounds of .308 cheaper than .270
so you have a fantasy about using your durr-rifle in a zombie apocalypse? get a fucking 10/22 or a shotgun if you're worried about that.

> the other reason might sound like a meme but
the first reason didn't sound like a meme?

>if I had to scavenge
if 7.62x51mm and .308 is everywhere, so are the rifles...

>>32637589
Never said zombie and you're retarded for thinking of zombies when I say SHTF, and a durr rifle would be extremely useful in SHTF because there wouldn't be any supermarkets to go to in SHTF, and you would have to kill game for food. And just because people have the rifles doesn't automatically make the ammo unattainable, people die in SHTF scenarios, and they can't take their ammo or rifles with them.

>>32636875
What? No Mosin? What are ya, some kind of faggot?

>Implying a mosin can be an effective durr rifle outside of 100 yards
>shiggy diggy

>>32637135
>you'll need to buy a ported gas plug to use .30-06 other than standard M1 ball.
Or you could just remove your gas plug and use Glorious M1 as a straight-pull.

>>32637367
>might sound like a meme
>x is a meme
>is x a meme?
>literally a meme
>meme rifle
>meme cartridge
>wasted money on a meme

NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32633253
>turkey
>rifle
Huh? Is this a thing?

>>32637661
>not killing deer at 2700 arshini on the reg
Lmaoing at your life.

>>32637697
redpill me on REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32637661
I mean, depending on the condition of your Mosin, mine shoots perfectly fine out to 200m without any accuracy or keyholing problems

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>>32637135
>>32637666
>>32637666

>666

>Or you could just remove your gas plug and use Glorious M1 as a straight-pull.

A Garand with no ping?

Truly sacrilegious.

>>32637697
explain to me how .308 is a meme cartridge?

>>32636613
>miss deer
>kill tree

It'll work, but do not trust it for accuracy

>>32637629
>Never said zombie and you're retarded for thinking of zombies when I say SHTF
I was making fun of you...

>here wouldn't be any supermarkets to go to in SHTF
you don't say, tell me more

>you would have to kill game for food
uh huh

>people die in SHTF scenarios, and they can't take their ammo or rifles with them
so you're saying that what I said about being able to scavenge .308 rifles, is true?

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>>32637697

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THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD

>>32637782
Why the fuck would you risk not having a rifle and trying to find one when they are relatively inexpensive? and gotta love,
>lol i was just kidding with you

>>32637775
Theres no such thing as memes anymore

>>32637277
I've put both a 162 Amax and a 105 Hornady HPBT through both shoulders of an elk.

>>32637697
>>32637799
samefag

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>>32637869

>>32637512
sheeyit thanks, I'll make sure to get something nicer. that might also explain why I've had accuracy problems too, I was just chalking it up to difficulty using ironsights/aiming without glasses (I have progressives so I can't really use them to shoot)

>>32636813
Actually 7mm-08 is ballistically superior to .308

>>32637868
>105 Hornady HPBT through both shoulders of an elk
things that never happened..

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>>32637869
nope

>>32637976
and any 6.5-.308 variant is superior to 7mm-08

>>32636875
What about the kimber longmaster classic?