From the tactical standpoint what failed to prevent it from happening?

>>32628449
NORAD

>>32628449
A good guy with a gun wasn't on the plane because of Obama's draconian gun confiscation laws.

>>32628538
>Obama's

>>32628538
pretty much this

>>32628449
bush did 9/11, inside job ect ect

>>32628538
You arn't even trying

The Supreme Court ruling that gave Bush the election instead of Al Gore. If Bush was not president he would not have been able to orchestrate the attacks.

>>32628538
Everyone knows the democrats are evil timetravelers

Real answer, everyone was still in 90s mode and not expecting anything bad to happen.

It required the FAA and FBI to screw up very, very badly.

If an gun of plane no 9/11 tower twin terrorism. Now gun is off onto an plane safe now lucky America

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>>32628560

9/11 never happened. Why do you think the towers don't appear in the original Deus Ex in the New York levels? It's because they were never there. They never existed. Video games making a stink about having to remove the towers or remove certain plane mechanics was just part of the conspiracy to make you think 9/11 really happened.

>>32628449
>they shouldn't have gave arabs pilots licenses

>>32628567
The WTC had been previously bombed two or three times though, just unsuccessfully

and planes got hijacked... not frequently but it wasn't unheard of either

it's more notable than the sum of its parts and a major point in recent history but each of those parts that make it up aren't all that more notable than any other terrorist attack. it's really just the target and country that are notable

>>32628635
The civil service was kind of fucked at the time, and nobody had the imagination to put 2 and 2 together.

Supposedly the Bush administration had told the FBI's counterterrorism team to lay off the Arabs for a while because the Saudis had helped them win the election.

>>32628573

>linking your dumb 2005 blog shit

No one wants to read it.

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>>32628682
I got it from /x/


/x/ is literally the dumbest board, its even worse than /vg/

>>32628635
Planes had been hijacked in the past, but they were either kept aloft or landed so the hijackers could make demands.
Nobody had seriously considered (Since the 60s) using an airliner as a Kamikaze. There was one veteran working at the WTC who got the idea a pane would be used if the buildings were attacked again, and his planning/actions saved a lot of lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla

9/11 is a stunning failure of so many systems. A true clusterfuck for every single agency involved.

>>32628449
>From the tactical standpoint what failed to prevent it from happening?

Not being an all-powerful omniscient God was a huge failure on the DoD's part.

OP, the terrorists had surprise on their side. There is literally nothing in this world that can counter being surprised, because you don't know it's happening.

>>32628756

Good read. Interesting he was actively trying to get tenants to move out of the building for years.

>>32628756
>He directed people down a stairwell from the 44th floor, continuing to calm employees after the building lurched violently following the crash of United Airlines Flight 175 38 floors above into Tower 2 at 9:03 A.M.
>Rescorla had boosted morale among his men in Vietnam by singing Cornish songs from his youth, and now he did the same in the stairwell, singing songs like one based on the Welsh song "Men of Harlech":

"Men of Cornwall stop your dreaming, Can’t you see their spearpoints gleaming?,
See their warriors’ pennants streaming, To this battlefield.
Men of Cornwall stand ye steady, It cannot be ever said ye for the battle were not ready
Stand and never yield!"

>>32629534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRtnWVvDX6k

>>32628449
Pilots weren't able to control the cabin's avenues of ingress and egress.

>>32628449

Fortifications are indefensible in the modern age. The towers should have been ground-level bunkers, and really should have been a mobile service base. If you absolutely NEED them to be that tall and static, install CWIS hard points to prevent planes from just driving by and shitting on them/crashing into them.

A still target is a dead one.

>>32628449
Conspiracy answer: Nothing. It happened exactly as planned.

Most likely answer: Complacency among watchdog agencies and/or a a lack of intel prioritization.

>>32628449
It was the actual Airliner Companies.

>>32628517
Not an argument.

>>32628449
Allowing (((dual citizens))) into positions of power in the government

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>>32628449
Closing door to crew cabin.

>>32629869
>not just putting the whole thing on wheels

Seriously faggot, think about what you're saying here.

>>32628449
The Intelligence Community just dropped the ball.
They had 1 job, and they failed.
And then they got a shit load of money.

>>32630532
Pre-9/11 there was a a halfhearted attempt to require metal doors on airliners, similar to the Israeli requirement, but nothing came of it.

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>>32628756
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla
>read article
>served in Rhodesia
>served in 'Nam
>called in a guy he knew from Rhodesia
>has him infiltrate radicalized mosques
>finds guy behind '93 bombing
>predicts the attacks
>drills an entire office building from janitor to exec
>Last words

> "As soon as I make sure everyone else is out"

How have I never heard of this man?! I'm surprised most of /k/ doesn't masturbate to his picture Jesus Christ.

>>32628449
Not enough /k patches to scare terrorists on the armored drink carts. They should have been level 3 with denim glued with liquid nails to floor tiles for the first few impacts.

Seriously, no fucking SAM network in case some third World sends a fleet of propeller bombers at us with anthrax or chopped up fuel rods?

Where the fuck was the firmware updates for remote control protocol for the planes? Why not just self destruct the fuckers and call it a loss of war acts?

"I'm surprised the electric grid hasn't gone down and they kicked a bucket of anthrax out of the plane. " - Is what I said as the second plane struck the towers.

>>32628449
Should have used Kevlar in there support beems.

The real question they had in total what 3-5 guys per flight against let's say 100-150 passengers plus I would assume 8 crew in all. So the real question is why didn't they rush a group of men with box cutters in some cases and the pilots either fight over the controls or tell them to fuck off and sit down?

>>32630745
>So the real question is why didn't they rush a group of men with box cutters in some cases and the pilots either fight over the controls or tell them to fuck off and sit down?
>limp wristed amercan numale rises from seat: "stop doing what are are doing mr Terrorist!"
>get punched into face
>slips back in chair and starts crying

>>32630745
hijacker before 9/11 usually use the plane for ransom demand. the US just didn't expect the plane to be use as kamikaze.

>>32630745
You have to understand a bit of history. Hijackings, while not exactly common, happened every now and then. They had always landed and stated their demands, and usually after a couple days the hostages went free, with the demands either accepted or the hostagetakers killed by counterterrorists. The passengers had no reason to suspect that they would be rammed into the side of a building. Why risk dying when all they'd lose is a bit of time?

>>32630764
A large group of people could just dog pile the fucker

>>32630745
Most hijackings at the time were just to go somewhere else, not crash into a building. The planes that did crash had the misfortune of naive passengers and a lack of athletes, martial artists, etc...

>>32630768
True but its not like they had guns they had box cutters or knives

>>32628756
>Nobody had seriously considered (Since the 60s) using an airliner as a Kamikaze.
Wrong

The FBI had evidence prior to 9/11 that domestic flights were a target for terrorist attacks and could be used exactly as they did in 9/11

>>32628449
why would you prevent a falseflag?

>>32630797
By falseflagging it to falseflag the falseflaggers falseflag

>>32630682
>Rescorla and Hill were also critical of the police response during the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, commenting, "The police were sitting outside while kids were getting killed. They should have put themselves between the perpetrators and the victims. That was abject cowardice." Rescorla felt that if he and Hill were younger, they "could have flown to Colorado, gone in that building, and ended it before the law did."
Damn I like this guy. And least he got to go out helping people who needed it.

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>>32630682
>Rescorla called his wife, telling her, "Stop crying. I have to get these people out safely. If something should happen to me, I want you to know I've never been happier. You made my life."

F

>>32630767
>the US just didn't expect the plane to be use as kamikaze.
No, this is fucking wrong

>>32630834
Just learned about this man's existence and read some more on Wikipedia.
Thanks anon, that made my day.

>>32630943
Same here. It was a damn good read.

>>32630859
>>32630943
>>32630958
>>32630834
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2002/02/11/the-real-heroes-are-dead

Read this.

>>32630768
There is also a counter argument that there should be no leniency to terrorists hijacking planes in the 70's. Why would they keep trying to take planes if the terrorists(including allah snackbars) knew there would be immediate lethal response. Response from armed pilots, sky marshals, passengers, and even shoot them down with interceptors. The second you give them an avenue to proceed, you have already lost.
Learn something from the leading countries out side of the US with anti-terrorism. (Israel for example).
Just whack the plane out of the sky and declare it a casualty of warfare.

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>>32630788
Exactly, several writers have describe terrorists using airplanes small and large as kamikaze strike weapons.
FFS, the Japanese gave rise to the meme in 1941-1945. But that was war, they killed children. It was the erection they got while fucking a half-dead, limp 12 yr old girl in the streets of Nanking, China after surrender is why deserved a nuclear strike.

>>32628449
>From the tactical standpoint what failed to prevent it from happening?
For whatever reason, our faggot country does not mount CWIS systems on tall buildings.

>>32628708
>/x/ is literally the dumbest board
yet still somehow they manage to be smarter than /pol/

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>>32630682

Goddamn, I vote we make this dude one of the patron saints of /k/. What a fucking badass.

>>32628449
>From the tactical standpoint what failed to prevent it from happening?


Nothing. it's always easier and more politically opportune to not act in such a situation.

thought experiment:

>bush learns of the planes and has the shot down
>planes crash resulting in 4x200 civi deaths (ballpark)
>political vultures descend on bush, claim he should ahve tried to reason with the hijackers etc. etc.
>bush is blamed by the whole country

we have the hindsight and know that 3000 civies died in reality but had bush acted as described above, it would not have happened this way and he would not be able to point to the 3000 dead.

action is always a gamble.

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>>32628449
Insecure cockpit doors and exploitable cockpit-access procedures.

>>32631102
Gee, I can't imagine why putting automated heavy guns within reach of the general public to tamper with would be a bad idea.

A bad solution is no better than an additional risk, anon.

>>32631163
>the armed forces are not a cross section of the "general public"
>the general public can't trusted
>we must monitor and restict them

yeah. class-communism is alive and well in 2017 even on /k/....

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>>32628449
The knowledge in the terrorists heads that a Swordfish campaign will occur if they try a stunt like that. Know if they blow up or kamikaze a plane, their families will be hunted down and killed at weddings in drone strikes.
oh wait, The US has now done that now and it's all good. They don't get the message, the President (previous or current one) should have had a blatant telegraph television bit.
(The President sitting on a B-61 dial a yield nuke)
"Your ideology and jihad will fail ultimately, every time you strike a terrroristic match, we nuke your collective as punishment. "

The knowledge that a random Islamic city will be tactically nuked for certain offenses. Rumor has it, "nukes are cheaper by the six pack."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAMDKK5sfd0

Swordfish came out just before 9/11.

Imagine if millions of normies in the US and EU went onto /pol/ and subsequently found out about the Isreali Mossad agents who were arrested by the NYPD on Sept. 11, 2001 driving white trucks loaded with explosives and carrying a fake work order from a known mossad front company to do work on the fire prevention systems in the World trade center towers starting two weeks before the attacks?

If millions of goyim suddenly knew about the "kurtzberg bothers" and "magic heating & plumbing" i think geo-politics would change DRASTICALLY

>>32628449
Actually arming your fighter jets.

>>32631183

actiona and reaction mate. the reason why we are seeing such a huge surge in islam apologists and "muslims dindu nuffin!" crap is because of the war on terror. every action usually usually is followed by an equal and opposite reaction, usually more violent. If you did what you proposed, internal traitors would be much more extreme than Hillary and Obama saying Islam is not a problem. the only solution is a wall. Keep the middle east in the middle east. do allow immigration from 3rd wold countries to the west and that's it. we don't need to bomb them or do anything to them.

>>32631187
>There is no way a 300,000lbs airliner moving at 400mph could catastrophically damage a skyscraper! It must have been the jews!

>>32630785
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla
They wouldn't start trying if they knew there were people like this working behind the scenes to put the fear of their God into them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AglrAOq_77Y

>>32629344
It wasn't a bad idea, after 93' it was plane as day that WTC was target numero uno for terrorist fuckery

>>32631132
There is some claim to the truthers about Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt knew the attack was coming, but not exactly where. They had broken the Imperial Purple diplomatic code. There were so many taps on the line from DC to San Francisco, the Japenese embassy could barely hear each other before radio transmissions.
The Government knew the attack would be on a weekend between Nov 41 and January 42.
The Japanese Imperial Navy code wasn't broken yet, so they didn't have tactical information on the fleet's location. Besides the fleet was in radio silence for most of the way anyway.

They knew it would probably be Pearl so they sent out the carriers every weekend from Nov 41 to Jan 42 just in case. They did put up a radar set to detect the Japanese coming, but it was tactically flubbed and discounted as a flight of incoming bombers from the US.
They wanted the attack, but not a complete surprise attack. Probably, the harbor would have been given alert a few minutes and diminished the severity of the attack.

Why didn't the alarm go up fast enough at the harbor when they sunk several mini subs at the mouth of the harbor less than an hour before the air strikes came in?

>>32631254
I'm not saying that 911 was allowed to happen. I'm saying inaction is often politically opportune. nobody back than foresaw that crashing airliners into buildings could be done because people didn't know Islam all that well. ironically, the situation ahsn't changed that much today. people still don't want to deal with the reality that islam is killing us and are blaming a "small, group of radical lunatics appropriating islam and giving peacful true muslims a bad name"

>>32628566
kek

>>32631211
So how come some of the inside job guys(jews? yeah right) never talked or leaked anything about it? Even the atomic bomb couldn't be kept secret. Two spies and several sympathizers fucked it up.

ok, a team of explosives guys needs a leader, someone to run the op, paperwork, logistics, theft of goodies, and none of it was detected?
Nobody on their death bed claiming with proof undeniable of such a thing?

Really, if it was a professional op to take down a building or two like that would have been much easier done covertly.
Do you know there were gas mains and a whole 40 ft thick tunnel of infrastructure that could collapse the entire base of both towers at once?

Steel weakens when burnt with jet fuel , below the red hot phase. Thousands of tons of weight on top of it. The airliners did the building in.

Now if the building went boom from below, then collapsed. That would get very suspicious.

>>32628635

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969

This might be the plot that is the most similar to 9/11. Don't think the news on that were broadcast much further than France.

>>32631211
Part of the reason for wtc 7 collapse was the destruction of that tunnel of infrastructure when the two towers pile drived steel beams some 40 ft through that tunnel and into the bedrock below some 20 ft. That's a fuckton of kinetic energy like a very large conventional explosive.

>>32630560
There were two whistle blowers that got punished for saying things and they were not listened to.

>>32631301
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969

If Islam is truly a religion of peace, they need to redact and rewrite the Koran. There are way too many Old Testament , eye for an eye and proclamations of total menacing domination by violence in it. Ban the word Islam and start over.

There are a few sects of Christians that totally disavow the brutal Old Testament for only the New Testament. They call themselves by different names altogether for that reason.

Explain the dancing in the streets on 9/11 in 6 Middle East countries on that day?

Some Muslim/Islamic/Arabic woman knows that certain uncle in the rural town of Fuckassistan who makes roadside bombs. She gets off on sending him jars of jam and marbles to be used as shrapnel after he eats the contents.
There are mosques funding mosques which claim to be peaceful, but send funds back to their hotbed homeland for war.
Who the fuck is ponying up the money for suicide bombers and supporting their families?
So called peaceful Muslims operating snack bars right here in this country.

>>32630860
No, for the passengers this was absolutely the case. The government, on the other hand, had their heads way up Osama's communications and decided to let it happen to justify broader powers and carry on with the geopolitical visions of the PNAC.

>>32631529
Islam is a very peaceful religion, but we aren't at peace with Americants.

>>32628449
We didn't listen to Massoud. He was warning us the whole time, months in advance. The upper echelons of the administration knew what was coming.

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>>32628538

>>32630682
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla

F

>>32630682
What a hero, God bless this badass. Fuckin commies, fuckin hajis, fuck the lot of them.

>>32628449
>FBI knew the names of hijackers, but not that they were in america

>CIA new al qaeda operatives were in america, but didnt know their names.

>intra-agency bickering kept this info from being shared, which would have quickly revealed they were in the US using their real names

that was one thing, to start.

>>32632009
the FBI also did a last minute raid on the apartment of some of the hijackers, and bush was personally briefed about OBL planning to use planes in a terrorist attack a few months before the meeting

>>32630783
Wasn't there a large group of service members on some of the planes? I remember that being one of the points conspiracy theorist use.

>>32632143
Prior to 2001, it was only airline policy to prohibit firearms to be carried by cabin/cockpit crew. Although most (all?) had such a policy, it would only have been a firing offense to violate it. Bush had the FAA make a regulation to make it a federal offense a few months before 9/11.

I've worked at a number of companies that have a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy regarding carry while at work. Fuck up and you're fired. But if you happen to save your life and maybe a few others, it's a worthwhile tradeoff. Save 3000 lives and you'll retire quite well when NYC passes the hat as a thank you.

>>32628449
The statue of liberty should be replaced with an AA radar and Laser/rail gun anti air gun emplacement

When our entire airspace was shut down, only one plane was allowed to fly and it was full of Saudis fleeing and going back home. That always struck me as suspicious.

>>32628538
You have to go back

>>32628449
gee I don't know
was it the conspicuous and absolute lack of fighters patrolling US airspace that day?
was it the inexistent SAMs?
or maybe the false radar targets and comms confusion from the army running an exercise?
good thing the carriers were not in port.
uhh... I mean... nevermind

>>32632399
Not replaced, but modfied.

A literal statue of liberty, complete with giant speakers that play a soudbyte of the current President saying "we're gonna free the shit out of you" everytime it intercepts something.

>>32628449
americans in the plane were bunch of pussies.

>>32628567
In 1994, djihadist hijacked a civil plane as well to destroy the eiffel tower.
So yes US agencies were fucking dumb.

>>32628560
its true though

>>32628538
My sides.

>>32628708
Wut? What's going on here.

>>32631187
Sauce

>>32630682
F

>>32632715
This. Cucked out new age males coward in their seats. They could have prevented the tragedy...

>>32628538
thanks obama

>>32632399
>replacing the statue of liberty
>not placing the statue on a turret while making the arm articulated and mounting the weapons inside the right atm so it can blast shit out of the liberty torch while "Real American" plays.
You lack vision.

>>32628756
Amazing read, thanks anon

>>32631693
This, I think there was more direct influence by the US (arranging shit via Saudi's and blatantly ignoring obvious warning signs from both the Bush and Clinton administrations). But all the talk about thermite, steel beams, and mini nukes is disinformation.

>>32631713
>Islam is a very peaceful religion, but we aren't at peace with Americants.

Islam schismatic warfare kills an impressive number of Muslims for a peaceful superstition. Fuck off with your lies. The body count shits all over your statement.

>>32632549
>was it the conspicuous and absolute lack of fighters patrolling US airspace that day?

Area Defense Command was long gone and no serious Alert effort replaced it until 9/11.

>>32630785
It's hard to explain but most humans are like livestock. The implied threat of bodily harm comes to mind before they think of much else.
>be me
>mid-20's collegiate
>had gone to party, ended up passing out at some chick's apartment
>we're in the seediest part of Houston I've ever seen
>making my way to my car
>large group of Hispanic males sitting outside apartment complex
>try to ignore them, they say a few things in Spanish and then one gets up to block my way
>eh what you got in your pockets whiteboi?
>back up, calmly draw CCW
>don't point it at anyone, just brandish it and point it at the ground
>come on guys I'm just trying to go home
Now logically they could've bum rushed me and disarmed me.
Hell I could've only taken 8 of them down assuming I got lucky and every shot was a killshot (and I got to magdump before they reached me) but none of them individually wanted to be one of the casualties, so none of them attempted it. Mob mentality is strange like that.

>>32628538
thanks obama

>>32635142
Shias aren't Muslims :)

>>32635373
>Shias aren't Muslims :)

Anyone is any superstition they claim.

>>32635808
yeah shias are shias, sunnis are muslims

>>32628538
Do you even Obama? In 2001, he was an Illinois state senator.

>>32628652
How did the Saudis help Bush Jr. win election?

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>>32630859
>tfw my last words will probably be loud shitting or bane memes

>>32635808
Anon, I am your father.

>>32630498
Interesting. Dumb Ausfag here. School me please.

Surprised a lot of people didn't seem to know about Rick Rescorla. Glad I helped a little bit in showing /k/ a true hero.
Here's the documentary they made about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbHugnu91tY

>>32631131
2nd'd.

>>32630682
We haven't heard of this man, because his ideals and actions are the absolute opposite of the people and leadership at the time.

If the population knew of his beliefs, backed by his actions, even 2 weeks after the attacks, there would be hell to pay by the "establishment".

That said, there would probably be little difference even if he had full attention of the population prior. The notion of Sand people playing 747 chicken with a building, is probably as unbelievable as Elvis Robbing a bank 20 yrs ago.

I'm more sorry for him than any of the victims.

>what went wrong
Not shooting all shitskins on sight desu famturama