First operational F-35 squadron deploys to Japan.

>>32604665
wuts so special about f-35s?

i know nothing about jets

i thought this plane was never going to be deployed unless lockmart got another 80jillion dollars? or was that just vatniks shitposting...?

>inb4 stupid Spreyfags still spout the same memes from 2008 about it not working, not being ready on time, etc. calling it a turkey or a lemon

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>>32604681

>>32604681
Not the case. Over 200 have been built and multiple countries and 3 U.S. services are training on the F-35. These USMC F-35B's are the first to be deployed.

>>32604706
since they are 20 years younger than F22s, how more advanced are their electronics?

>>32604720
i'd say about twenty years more

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>>32604706
Well, 180+ built plus prototypes.

>>32604720
Much more advanced. Especially in terms of sensor fusion. The F22 relies on radar and data links for situational awareness. F-35 adds a highly advanced Infrared Search and Track System system and synthesizes these sources in a Helmet Mounted Display.

Its likely as stealthy as the Raptor, but kinematically inferior.

>>32604674
One of only two 5th gen planes in service. The ither being the f22

>>32604720
Actually a fair bit.

The F22 is still a more capable A2A platform but in terms of onboard tech the F35 comes out ahead.

F22 mid-life update will make things more even if not once again completely lopsided in the Raptor's favor

>>32604665
CANCELATIONS SOON.

ANY TIME NOW.

>>32604845
Why is the f35 so fucking kawaii?

>>32604795
The radar on the F-22 had a huge bump from F-35 tech. It is now the longest ranged fighter based radar in the world, at 400km.

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>>32604869
Don't you mean... lewd?

So whats the timeline on Japan putting these on their "Helicopter" carriers

>>32604770
>>32604795
Raptors with F35-tier sensors when?

>>32605048
Soon tm.

They are talking about putting in a DAS system.

>>32604902
She can be both, she's multirole.

>>32604902
i'm aroused by how feminine her bepis is

>>32605068
>she

im very disappointed nobody posted the f35 anime that always shows up

>>32604665
No, China intends to use their new Su-35s as bomber escorts, because they are Russian and thus they dont care if radar signatures are getting collected, or performance data leaked.

So, the F-35s will do mock dogfights with TVC capable Flankers. And probably crash attempting to keep up with the Su-35.

>>32604770
well documented it does not have the same all aspect stealth the F-22 does, in particular, from the rear.

>>32604674
It's a giant handout to Lockheed on the backs of the American taxpayers. That's the big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw

>>32605212
That giant lift fan makes it highly unmaneuverable.

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>>32605509

>>32605377
>mock dogfights

Would invovle the F-35 flying in a straight line.

Cant out turn the missile.

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Lockmart shills out in force tonight

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>>32605377

>2017
>Dogfighting

>>32604665
>Oh how I'd love to see China's next H-9 patrol near the Senkakus met by a couple of F-35s. Just to say hi.

Double points for the Chinks only noticing the F35s visually, after being tailed for 15mins prior...

>>32605509
good thing it's only used for take off and landing.

>>32605572
So what do you think about it man?

>>32605726
you know the plane has to carry it when it's cruising too, right? like it doesn't just magically go away?

oh wait, you're a shitposter on a mongolian image board, so probably yes you do.

>>32605739
He's posting anti-semite shit. ignore him.

>>32605572
That pic:
Rattus Judius Swindlus.

>>32604720
Hilariously. IRST, 360 sensors, DATALINKS.

>>32605565
Mock dogfights do not involve shooting.

They involve pilots playing Top Gun against each other.

>>32605867
Ok?

The F-35 still flys in a straight line.

>>32604922
As with the F3, never

>>32606245
>still flies in a straight line

As opposed to other planes doing zig zags or serpentine?

>>32605761
>Thinks antisemitism is anything but casual racism
JIDF go oven and stay oven

>>32606245
They they get called out for being pussies

>>32605748
Well considering the fact that it has a maneuvering ability that many pilots have said is comparable to an F-16 or F-18 it should do fine.

>>32607553
/pol/ pls

>>32604665
Why do the Japanese get everything first?

>>32607904
Like being beta testers for the nuclear bomb?

>>32605048
>>32604770
Restarted F22 production WHEN?

>>32607929
If the USAF gets their wish... never; they don't want to build a 20 year old jet, they want to put those funds towards the next-gen PCA program.

>>32605091
are you a finn
?

>>32607569
Oh no, you'll hurt their feelings.

There's no reason to give the Chinese any data on F-35 performance by engaging in these mock dogfights that you're jerking off to. If we want to test BFM capability of F-35 against Su-27 we'd just use one of the ones owned in the US.

>>32607926
Underrated post

>>32607904

I can think of a couple reasons

> They bought a bunch, bringing USAF F-35A's over helps the Japanese get a head start on training with the F-35 before they get theirs.

> Political, to show China our commitment to Japan and South Korea. Japan is busy but not hot, which is a great place to test out the F-35.

> It's the F-35B, which was the first to be declared IOC and first to deploy. The Marines have jack shit to do in Europe. Iwakuni is big, which means it has a lot of resources for the first F-35 deployment.

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>>32607926
kek

>>32608027
If only we built the 750 so F-22s like they initially planned...

>>32607926
This post best post

Anyone know of any single engine failures on the F35 yet? I'm always amazed that it was engineered with that in mind.

>>32609489
There was the one engine fire due to a bushing rubbing against something, think thats it.

>>32609536
Was the aircraft lost or did it manage to operate to a landing?

Thanks for the timely response.

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>>32609489
1. There was an engine fire in 2014 where part of a fan blade disk rubbed against a seal (see pic). The jet had just throttled up to take off, the disk ripped through the jet, the F-35 slowed or braked to a halt down the runway and the pilot opened the canopy and jumped out. The fire burnt the rear half of the jet, causing about $50m of damages on a $110m jet. It was written off and used to test the effectiveness / timeliness of repairing the F-35's stealth coating after battle damage.

2. There was a "tailpipe fire" in just this past September, but that was simply because the jet had 70 knot gusts blowing down its tailpipe when they were starting up the engine on the tarmac, causing a hotstart (fuel pools due to back-pressure, then the fuel burns all at once). The jet was either undamaged or only slightly damaged (not enough to be a Class A or Class B mishap).

Besides the engine, there's been 2 other fires as well:

3. Late last year (around the same time as the tailpipe fire) a USMC F-35B was flying when it suffered a fire in its engine bay. Investigations have shown that a wire bracket came loose, caused wiring to chaff and short-circuit. The jet landed, fire was put out, pilot didn't eject, etc, but it was a Class A mishap ($2 million or more in damages). The bracket is being redesigned to be less likely to come loose.

4. Back in 2012 or something, an F-35A had an IPP fire; the IPP is a little turbine used as a back-up power unit (there's also a battery if that fails), as a starter motor, and as part of the environmental control system.

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>>32609612
Report into the 2014 engine fire:
https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/F35-AIB-Final-Report-17-Mar-15.pdf

Pic is of after the fire

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>>32609622
>>32609558
Looks worse up close:

>>32605565
>Cant out turn the missile.

>>32605524
gold

>>32609234

This

And plus the USAF has already claimed first dibs with F35 squadrons in Europe. They'll be deploying two squadrons to RAF Lakenheath from 2020 onwards.

>>32609612

Dragon, do you know how many USMC F-35Bs would be available for flight trials between the end of 2018 and May 2019?

>>32609612
What's the explanation for starting the engine up in a 70 knot tailwind? Or is that an exaggeration? Seems like a really bad idea.

>>32609626
Parts are welded now atleast

Who has them so far then?
USA
UK
Japan
Italy(?)

>>32604665
I hope Japan doesn't lose any that end up Chinese hands.

>>32609917
They're not Israel

>>32609912

The Dutch.

>>32609912
Norway

>>32605612

>2017
>Still hasn't grasped that politicians will not allow BVR engagement for anything short of war with the Russians.

>>32609996
Man, better go tell the various us airforces that all those bvr kills they got were a nono

>>32609912
Israel.

>>32609917
If anything, Israel will sell again. As they did with hawk, patriot, lavi and who knows what else.

>>32610044
no shit that america has them

>>32604902
That made me feel things.

>>32610044
So that means China has them too right? Jewscum sell everything to them.

>>32604665
Weren't they supposed to build their own shit?

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>>32605524
This is pure genius.

>>32609814
What exactly are we talking about with flight trials? If you're talking about IOT&E, they plan on using specific aircraft that are being modified slightly for testing (to carry certain telemetry pods, etc). I can't remember how many jets they're using for IOT&E, but it's not that many; something like ~15.
If you mean just how many will be flying in general, around the world, for testing, training and operations, probably somewhere around 70. Of that, 20-30 will likely be deployed at the time, half a dozen or so will be getting used for testing, the rest for training.

>>32609840
No idea; either it was just a random gust and bad luck with timing, or the ground crew didn't realise it'd be a problem (they might not have realised it was a tailwind for the jet, or they might have seriously underestimated how fast the wind was). It's also possible that there were no warnings or guidelines in the SOPs for the F-35 to prevent wind-related hotstarts. Hopefully they'll make the investigation report public like with the 2014 engine fire.

>>32610696
>What exactly are we talking about with flight trials?

This is regards to the Queen Elizabeth class. She's expected to be doing her fixed wing flight trials in US waters between that period of time, so I'm curious with who/what is going to be available.

IIRC, USMC has only one ship available for play-time in the Bees and the RN/RAF will only have No.17 Sqd for their play-time in QE. So it's more than likely that QE will be hosting some USMC Bees and their crews.

>>32610777
Pretty sure it's already confirmed that USMC will be operating with the fleet air arm off the QEs, at least until the RN has more F35C deliveries
Not that big of a deal, allied nations use each other's carriers all the time

>>32610795
UK's getting B variants.

>>32610795

Aye, that it is.

But I'm not talking about the operating, I'm talking about the flight trials.

>>32610777
Fair enough; but yeah it'll probably be something like VMX-1 who'll do the initial trials. After that I'm not sure which actual operational unit will embark on the QE.

As for the USMC ships; they have at least the USS Wasp and USS America equipped to operate F-35Bs, although the latter (AFAIK) is rotating out soon. VMFA-121 (the guys OPs story is about) are operating off of the Wasp, which will be sailing over to Japan soon (10 F-35Bs fly directly there and operate from land, 6 F-35Bs stay here for now and sail out with the USS Wasp soon).
The USS Essex is currently being prepared for F-35B operations and will be launching later this year to take jets from VMFA-211 over to the Middle East (apparently 8 months after the USS Wasp goes to Japan)

>>32610399
Buying some, manufacturing some. These aren't deliveries though, they're USMC aircraft being deployed there for training.

>>32608290
>not wanting to go to the dangerzone
Bet you showered with your underware on in gym class, you faggot

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>>32605229

>>32605748
>Literally just replaced fuel weight and space
Dumbass.

>>32611556
I don't get it

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>>32612275
>>32612383

>>32612412
Still doesnt make sense because the drogue is the female connector. The tanker is a hermaphrodite.

>>32612383
>>32612412
I get that part, I don't get the part about the names

>>32612467
nah, it's just foreskin

>>32611556
thats a really stupid and elaborate setup for literally no punchline

Any word on when the US Navy will deploy their first F35 squadron? I literally just started IFS today. It's still a long ways off (API, Primary, etc), but what are the odds of the F-35C seeing combat in say 4 years?

>>32610044
Not yet.

>>32612725
F-35C reaches IOC in 2019, IIRC.

>>32613612
They got 2 last month.

>>32604922
Not gonna happen with the current ships. With its goofy elevators and flight deck that isn't strong enough.

>>32604665
>First operational F-35 squadron
>operational
the plane flies, but many of the features are still unfinished or broken.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f-35-delayed-again-despite-ceos-promise-to-trump/article/2611432
lol

>>32615011
Pretty sure half of that $500mil is money that was allocated to the program and then taken away and used for something else. The rest reflects money needed for changing requirements of the aircraft.

Dragon explained it already but I'm not as well versed in the program as him.

>>32614949
>the plane flies, but many of the features are still unfinished or broken.
It can already fling more munitions far more reliably than an F-22.