The Crimes of SEAL Team Six

omg our nations most savage killers do savage shit. kill yourself.

I'm glad america hasn't gone soft since the cold war

File: Raiders in Bougainville.jpg (209KB, 950x783px) Image search: [Google]

209KB, 950x783px

>>32602682
Do people really think that the fighting men in our country have to be some kind of robotic, unfeeling drones who magically drop our enemies with one shot kills to the head like in the movies?

War is savage, relentless and emotionally wrecking, it's been like this since the beginning of time and I'd rather them do shit llike this than go soft.

Read what the average Marine Infantryman had to endure and the vengeance he would enact on the japs after constant fighting that would drag on for weeks.

Would the type of people who write these articles jump on the moral high horse and cast judgement on them to for what they did?

>>32602842
It is a fact that needs to be accepted and not forgotten among all the hero worship

>>32602842
So, feelings preclude the application of morality? You're just as bad as the liberals you whine about.

>>32602706
>omg our nations most savage killers do savage shit
>implying they're supposed to be savages and not professionals

>>32602842
>I'd rather them do shit llike this than go soft
You mean you'd rather they give people even more of a reason to hate us, than act like soldiers?

>>32602842
>>32602706
Did you fags even read the article? It wasn't exactly 'bawww my poor brown people', some good war stories and not too much judgement.

>>32602911
>You mean you'd rather they give people even more of a reason to hate us, than act like soldiers?
they hate already as it is
why are you trying to appease people that already want you dead faggot?

Joe Rogan interviewed a SEAL a while ago. They have a very violent mentality. The interviewee said if there was a 1% chance that a target would hurt Americans, he would killed them. That means a kid making idle threats online would be a target.

>>32602911
its part of their culture. its what makes them so effective. having special customs makes your unit bond stronger and strengthens motivation. on a more base level its why specific units have emblems of their own.

File: reading.jpg (43KB, 499x500px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 499x500px

>>32602921
You know for a fact none of us read your fucking article.

>>32602938
>why are you trying to appease people that already want you dead faggot?
Random dirt farmer #4567 doesn't hate us. Most of them don't. Until you waste a fucking wedding party that had one of their cousins in it, or cut off someone's dick during an interrogation, and then find out that he actually knew nothing.

That's how they end up hating us.

>>32602974
>its part of their culture
kek, that's quite an asspull

Skimming this so far. Currently reading about how they're bitching about a seal canoeing a dead Osama's skull and another whining that some seals were killing people with hatchets instead of suppressed weapons.

What is this pussy shit?

>>32602921
>>32602992
>/pol/-fags
>reading anything other than a KKK pamplet
Pick one anon.

Surely I'm not the only one who wants our soldiers to be brutal and vicious monsters?

>b-but hearts and minds!

Trying to win public opinion with a military occupation force is fucking retarded.

>>32602995
>Random dirt farmer #4567 doesn't hate us
>we know because he told us when we interviewed him when he wasn't busy burying an IED on a busy high way

>>32602682
Cool. They seem even more badass now, getting kills with fucking hatchets is rad

>>32603001
post a copy pasta so we don't give you money

Not surprised. Delta kills their neighbors for being annoying.

>>32602911
I'd rather us not go to a bullshit war like the ones inthe middle east but if we're there I want them to end it and our current enemy has proven that there is only two ways of doing that.

We either pull out of there, this is what I would prefer to happen, or do what needs to be done to end it fast and to make sure no one want fuck with us anymore.

Give me one instance of men fighting a war where they just disconnect and not feel a thing when they lose a friend or face an enemy that terrorizes his people.

This shit is as old as mankind and it won't change

>>32603056
>still doing the "you're a CTR shill" meme
>thinking people don't laugh at you
Pick one.

>>32603126
>feels are an excuse for acting like a barbarian!
>except when they do it to us!
kys

>>32603099
>Not surprised. Delta kills their neighbors for being annoying.
haha
what
sauce?

File: IMG_2543.png (196KB, 750x1334px) Image search: [Google]

196KB, 750x1334px

>>32603208

File: IMG_2544.png (185KB, 750x1334px) Image search: [Google]

185KB, 750x1334px

>>32603334

>>32602868

If it's a war, morality has already ceased to be a thing. Nothing is more immoral than a war.

>>32602682
If a SEAL member served, and didn't have at least one article/book/movie/series about them, did they really server?

>>32603190
Well then what do we do?

How the fuck do we fight an enemy that beheads its prisoners, straps bombs on retards and kids and will fight to the last man for his desert death cult?

I can only think of one way that would realistically end a war against an enemy like that but if you have another option please tell me.

>lol we don't fight them at all

I'd love to do that but if we're forced into a corner, then what?

>>32602706
>>32602842
It is fine if it is done is the open. Otherwise its is same pattern as globalist libshits employ. Doublethink and imaginable worlds.

>>32603179
Actually we laugh at you.

File: MAN TAKEN HOSTAGE BY PS4 GAMES.jpg (7KB, 250x250px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 250x250px

>>32603334
>>32603346
>>32602682

Is there one SF unit that isn't total dick?

>>32603334
>>32603346
these read like a bollywood B film

>>32602970
>That means a kid making idle threats online would be a target.
good, little faggots deserve to get taught a lesson.

>>32603439
PJs

>That Others May Live

>>32603334
thats some MGS5

>>32603439
Denmark, Norway, Germany, Sweden, Britain?

>>32602682

thank 4 ur surface

>>32603190
>moralfags
>debating about war
just leave this board please and never talk about war with anyone ever again

>>32603481
I'm talking US

Generally here is how it works. If your enemy respects your troops and treats your surrendered and wounded troops well you do the same in return.
If your enemy allows you to evacuate your wounded from an encircled position you do the same for them.

How ever if your rnemy is a bunch of barbaric fucks who torture and mutilate your boys you do the same to them or at the very least remove them by a shot to the head.


So remember when in war make sure to treat the enemy like they treat you.

Also russians are shilling hard https://sputniknews.com/military/201611051047097888-imefficiency-us-tanks/

>>32603503
Then no.

>>32603346
>return home from a deployment with all their body hair shaved off

Wut

>>32603504
I would also like too add. While one gains nothing physical by treating enemy combatans well it can be used to leverage better treatment of your own men when they are captured. Not only that but when the conflict eventually ends it makes integration much easier if both sides have fought some what humanely.

Generally speaking this will be most evident when similar cultures fight ex western front world war 2 wasnt marked with nearly the number of horrific war crimes that eastern europe and asia was.

File: IMG_2558.png (801KB, 1336x928px) Image search: [Google]

801KB, 1336x928px

>>32603448
I'd watch that film though.

I recall reading some story where they bought a condemned building in the middle of the suburbs then flew in to raid it in the middle of the night with live rounds while the neighborhood was asleep. I'm sure they get away with a lot of sketchy shit, probably not murder though.

>>32603044
Does anybody have that article about a Ranger killing an enemy in Afghanistan with an MRE spoon?

File: 1471362938604.jpg (83KB, 500x610px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 500x610px

>>32602682
All I got from this article was shit I already knew, SEALs/DEVGRU are brotier operators. Big shit red squadron got issued hatchets or some goat fuckers got canoed.

>>32603533
this is when you realise these are mostly madeup stories.

>>32603533
>ywn do freaky shit with your operator bros that you'd never do with you wife

Problem is that people who have never experiened war, thinks its black and white.
We good, we do no bad.
They bad, do no good.

Truth is, there are a lot of grey zones in war, especially wars in the middle east, where enemies have acted as civilians, suicide bombed, basically every cowardly act. But because the west if so obsessed in cucking themselves, they portray them as the good guys, who just want their land back so they can live in peace.
Therefor everyone else, like marines, army, etc. become the bad guys.

>>32602996
>People who have higher moral ground judge others who are doing things they would/could not do.

>>32603565
Get drunk in the sand box one of your friends brings out a role of heavy duty duck tape. Yo we should tape our sergeant to the roof of the MRAP he is completly passed out.
No one objects.
Hell man im a civy and i can imagine non sexual ways for that to happen although a more likely situation is, be in woods.
There are lice and fleas in woods.
They cant live on you if there is no hair.

>>32603400
Will none of the moralfags answer this question?

>>32603594
but the penis pills

>>32603617
they won't because they know they're wrong

>>32602682
>The SEALs from the other helicopter immediately headed up a steep hill after landing to locate an armed man who had been shot from the helicopter. When they reached the hilltop, the operators looked down in disbelief at women and children, along with the man — all were dead or mortally wounded from the spray of gunfire from the Chinook’s gunners, who had unloaded after the free fire zone had been declared. They realized the man had been trying to protect the women and children.

That's one of the worst fanfics I've ever heard. Did you write this shit?

upon reading the article i would absolve them of the wedding massacre as they were given bad intel and command told them to engage.
Not to mention most of the reports from the seals show they were horrifed when they found out they had fired at civilians..
Overall that was a shitty situation that could have been solved by better leadership.
I feel bad for every one involved in that the dead civilians and the navy seals who will always carry the weight of those lives they took.

File: ccajin_016.005_006_psy.jpg (316KB, 728x1056px) Image search: [Google]

316KB, 728x1056px

>>32603400
"eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" doesn't work

mutilating their corpses doesn't decrease their morale and makes them want to quit
it makes them angrier and more hellbent on fucking your shit up

the best solution is to simply be professional and effective, THATS how you fuck them up good

>>32603640
Hey man viagra was origionally a heart medication its also used to bribe men in the middle east they value that shit more then gold.

>>32602911
theyre professional savages.

>>32602682
You mean the "If you do this for me, and the public finds out, its going to be your head, not mine." Thing? Yea. Its more of a wrong people in our governemnt problem than our nations armies problem.

>>32603684
>the best solution is to simply be professional and effective, THATS how you fuck them up good
yeah that worked wonders in afghanistan and, iraq and now against ISIS senpai

>>32603691
>professional savages.
mutually exclusive

i'd rather have an operator than can clear a taliban compound and disappear, not an """"operator"""" than wastes time mutilating corpses and recording them

>>32603710
the only reason it didn't work is because green berets are giving ammo and supplies to jihadis and train them

you can't help your enemy then ask why didn't you win

>>32603400
Explain how killing civillians and mutilating their bodies helps us stop such an enemy

File: 1474324889154.jpg (435KB, 1187x1024px) Image search: [Google]

435KB, 1187x1024px

>>32602992
>this

>>32602911
>supposed to be professionals
you watch too many movies

>stomping on people's heads after death
>blowing up weddings
>using custom hatchets made in NC to take fingers, scalps, ears from dead enemies
>"war porn" videos taken of enemies bleeding out
>shooting corpses to watch them twitch and convulse
>beheading enemy combatants
>"canoeing became big in 2007"
>shoot someone in their forehead and split the top of their skull open
Nice

>>32603710
Lmao who exactly is fighting ISIS 'professionally'

File: patches-1-1484020898.jpg (491KB, 1440x1435px) Image search: [Google]

491KB, 1440x1435px

>>32602992
It was actually a good read.

>sent to rescue a hostage
>throw a grenade at them

Bravo

>>32602682
At least the tomahawk pic in OP is the correct official seals issue

>>32603740
Its obvious that such an enemy will detect weakness and take full advantage of it.

An example would be the Pacific War, after the Guadalcanal Campaign you couldn't find a Marines or Soldier who would risk getting blown up or stabbed trying to take a prisoner when he could just shoot him in sight.

This just expedited the fighting during the war, on top of being shot on sight they also opted out to killing themselves, whether it was from their own hand or through their banzai charges.

We bombed their homeland, we burned them and eventually vaporized them until we finally broke them completely and put an end to that brutal war.

If we're going off of moral principle here, shouldn't the US be responsible for destroying ISIS since it was our fault that they even gained so much land and power in the first place?

>>32603867
>kill a bunch of civillians and destroy their government
>isis springs up in the vacuum
>well I guess its our moral responsibility to kill more civillians

Fuck off retard

>>32602682
This is why the world hates America. We have known this for decades while your media lies to you and every sucks it up. Good thing China and Russia will fuck your shit soon.

>>32602682
Anyone read Jack Murphy's book Target Deck. He talks about this incident and the alarming change of character and savage brutally that he saw and knew went in treated "like a cancer" inside the us SOF community in Afghanistan.

In the fictional book, Murphy's main character Deckard even kills SEALs who commit these crimes.

File: smug doge.jpg (47KB, 381x328px) Image search: [Google]

47KB, 381x328px

>>32603897
Well how else do we stop them, if there's no one left alive to fight or make more hajis then thats the end of that, isn't it?

>The Intercept

You mean the outlet that constantly smears Sam Harris and Majid Nawaz as "islamophobic", where one of its hatchemen publicly bawled on twitter about the death of Bin Laden, the same "news" site that the Wall Street Journal pretty BTFO last month over their repeated lies about the circumstances surrounding Snowden's arrival in Russia? Yeah I'm really gonna believe them. It stinks of, "oh murrica like this particular military unit, so we gotta dig up some shit on them because pathological edginess."

>>32602970
>A kid making idle threats online would be a target

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

File: 1482354558058.gif (2MB, 245x180px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 245x180px

Good read, doesn't really change my opinion on the Seals though. They aren't good men, they are killers but they are our killers. I was in the Army and even for us regular guys we got away with alot of bullshit that'd make your average American wince too. I'm not surprised that no one really gave a shit about all the stuff in this article.

>>32603710
>yeah that worked wonders in afghanistan and, iraq and now against ISIS senpai
Except for all the examples we have of them doing the exact opposite of being professional.

>>32603982

>“My personal opinion is that they executed Bin Laden,” begins Jeremy Scahill, unblinkingly. “If you strip it down, what you had is an unarmed elderly man, in his bedroom, shot in the face by the most elite force in the world. “My personal opinion is that they executed Bin Laden,” begins Jeremy Scahill, unblinkingly. “I wasn’t like, boo hoo, Bin Laden’s dead, but I wasn’t jumping. America’s a very nationalistic country, and in episodes like that of his death, it becomes jingoism. People are drinking, dancing in the street, chanting USA like they’re at the World Cup, like they won it… It’s sick that we turned it into a sporting event.”


Bin Laden just needed mo money fo dem programs

>>32603982
source or didn't happen

>>32603982
Literally none of the things you said were true. WSJ is Murdoch cancer and neocon garbage. Fucking kys

>>32604045
He is not bawing at Bin Laden's death you dumb fuck, he's uncomfortable about the manner in which he was killed and the retarded jingoisitic reaction in spawned. Can you even read?

>>32604077
I'm not even American, but celebrating the death of a heinous criminal who murdered some 2,000 of your countrymen seems fairly justified to me

>>32604088
If you kill your enemies, they win

>>32604092
Unfortunately that is my prime minister
God he's such a fucking embarrassment

>>32604056
See
>>32604045

>>32604049

https://theintercept.com/2014/10/08/bill-mahers-gross-liberal-bigotry/

oh i guess they just skipped to the chase and cried RACISM!!! instead

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45048_Writer_for_the_Intercept_Calls_Daily_Beast_Columnist_a_Porch_Monkey


http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483143143
Unfortunately like everything on WSJ its pay walled, but its all there for you if you want to look

>>32604056

>Fucking kys

Go play in traffic while drinking drano faggot

>>32604077
>OBL WUZ A GUD BOY! HE DINDU NUFFIN!

>>32604098
Lol How did that cringelord even get elected man.

All the debate over if morality has any place in a war against an enemy with no morality ITT but all I know is that if I'm going to fight someone who wants to kill me and everyone in my country or subjugate them to their desert death cult, I wouldn't want to leave any of them alive, people like that ypu got to fight on biblical proportions.

Man what a luxury it is to discuss the morality of fuckin' ISIS and fighting savages when there are people fighting tooth and nail just to not get ethnically or religiously cleansed by them.

>>32604077
>He is not bawing at Bin Laden's death you dumb fuck


Well I don't know what "bawing" is you fucking mongoloid, but I know what bawling is, but when you say "hey i'm not upset about this guy's death" but then spend the next several paragraphs tip toeing your way back to that position, I'm within my rights to call bullshit on your earlier declaration.

>>32603465

this desu

>>32604138
The gust of it is
>He promised to legalize weed
>Hating the current (at the time) PM had become a meme among people who didn't really actually know anything about his policy. He was a dick, but he was a decently competent dick
>The third practical choice is an even shittier party, led by a man everybody hates (including his own party) who doesn't want to step down
>He's an extreme SJW, which somehow many people find appealing
>He promised to reform the electoral system, which many people don't like. He is currently trying to weasel out of that one. Incidentally, using the rules they proposed, they would not have won a majority government
TLDR "Anything but Harper he's mean!!!11" without regard to whether the drama teacher is actually a better option

File: Alison-Adam-Bryan-ACS.jpg (49KB, 497x280px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 497x280px

>>32602682
Is that Bald Bryan?

>>32603346
Fayettenam doesn't have the highest violent crime rate in the nation, and when Bragg got cleaned out for the invasion of Iraq crime rates didn't change much. Fayetteville has many non-military dindus.

That's why I lived in Gray's Creek when I was stationed at Pope. Would do again.

>>32604202
So what has he actually done?

Whats he done for gun rights in Canada?

>>32604138
The quote here >>32604092 was something he never said. But that hasn't stopped /pol/-tards from posting it like it. Because who cares about being truthful when you have a narrative to push?

>>32604202
>Hating the current (at the time) PM had become a meme among people who didn't really actually know anything about his policy.
>tfw people love to pretend Harper was a great PM
It's not like he was the first PM in all of the Commonwealth to be found in Contempt of Parliament for lying to them about what was in the budget, or anything...

>>32604254
He gave us the lazy hand-job equivalent of pro-guns legislation, and people expect us to be eternally grateful.

>>32604254
The silver lining in this is that, so far, he's pretty much been an empty suit. He spends most of his time giving meaningless speeches and attending parades and shit, so he hasn't gotten around to fucking much up yet.
Though he did get the whole refugee thing going. Claim to be a Syrian refugee and they'll ship you over here and give you 25K as well as a bunch of other gimmes.

>>32602842

But anon, if they were in the same situation, they would be able to use their superior moral intuition to defuse the situation singing Kumbaya and holding hands, thus rendering all off the SEALs, neigh, the armed forces' efforts completely fucking irrelevant and begging the question why they don't do that instead of shitpost about the people that protect them from this misunderstood individuals.

>>32604266
Whatever, its a funny quote that embodies the lefts take on how to fight the islamic menace

>>32604273
Like what?

>>32604266
I'm not trying to say that Harper was a great PM, but that he was still the least of three evils by a wide margin

>>32603684
>the best solution is to simply be professional and effective, THATS how you fuck them up good
so just go full nazi k
do we have to cremate the bodies or bury them though ?

>>32604077
We should take joy in revenge. Humans are apex predators who evolved to exult in killing our enemies.

Morality is for friends. Enemies do not deserve to exist, at all. The should not be valued as humans. Nuremburg is what kickstarted current PC bullshit. I admire the Nazis and Russians for being honest. If you got in their way, they killed you.

Ilya Ehrenburg had the right, manly attitude:

>Krasnaya Zvezda (No173 [5236]) 24 July 1942

>“The Germans are not human beings. From now on the word German means to use the most terrible oath. From now on the word German strikes us to the quick. We shall not speak any more. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day … If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, or if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German in the meantime. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another — there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days, do not count kilometers. Count only the number of Germans killed by you. Kill the German — that is your grandmother’s request. Kill the German — that is your child’s prayer. Kill the German — that is your motherland’s loud request. Do not miss. Do not let through. Kill.”

File: zardoz.jpg (26KB, 620x387px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 620x387px

>>32604141

...and one more thing on that point. maybe if this was coming from somebody not associated with the Intercept, I wouldn't think of it that way, but coming from a Greenwald flunkie like Scahill, the former of which at least has a known track record for could be called apologia for jihadism, I suspect a little bit disappointment in his sentiment about the arch terrorist's demise.

Have you ever seen that really terrible cocaine fueled John Boorman sci fi/fantasy dumpster fire called Zardoz? Bad movie, with interesting ideas. The central conflict of the film is that Sean Connery’s character arrives in a land full of degenerate immortals who live mostly care free lives. One faction on that plane of reality want to kill Sean Connery, because it has already been established that he is a murderous barbarian savage who really, really likes rape. The other faction agrees that Connery is basically the end of their civilization if he isn't stopped, but that’s why they like him. They want him to end their world, because they're bored.

That’s what people like Glenn Greenwald are.

>>32604288
I remember someone a lot smarter than me said that there is no morality in war and that morality was a privilege of those judging from a distance.

I used to lose sleep over the question of whether there was morality in war

>>32604141
>Well I don't know what "bawing" is you fucking mongoloid, but I know what bawling is,
Nice sperging out over a typo.
>but when you say "hey i'm not upset about this guy's death" but then spend the next several paragraphs tip toeing your way back to that position, I'm within my rights to call bullshit on your earlier declaration.
He never defended Bin Laden's actions, he just criticised the US' actions and the reaction of the public. You're the one who is unable to separate the two.

>>32604345
>Have you ever seen that really terrible cocaine fueled John Boorman sci fi/fantasy dumpster fire called Zardoz? Bad movie, with interesting ideas. The central conflict of the film is that Sean Connery’s character arrives in a land full of degenerate immortals who live mostly care free lives. One faction on that plane of reality want to kill Sean Connery, because it has already been established that he is a murderous barbarian savage who really, really likes rape. The other faction agrees that Connery is basically the end of their civilization if he isn't stopped, but that’s why they like him. They want him to end their world, because they're bored.
>That’s what people like Glenn Greenwald are.
Not an argument. I'm sure all those US intelligence agencies are totally not fucking with him after he revealed their blatantly illegal Orwellian espionage apparatus. His life is super comfy.

>>32604348

>He never defended Bin Laden's actions

You really think he would be stupid enough to do so openly?

>Nice sperging out over a typo.

You're the one that started slinging shit at me over a simple disagreement, you're hardly one to complain about someone else being petty.


>Bin Laden's actions, he just criticised the US' actions and the reaction of the public. You're the one who is unable to separate the two.

I know you may have not seen my other post, but that has been addressed here:

>>32604345

>>32604388

>I'm sure all those US intelligence agencies are totally not fucking with him after he revealed their blatantly illegal Orwellian espionage apparatus.

So, what..the CIA made him slyly imply that Canada deserved the parliament hill shooting?

>>32602682

If you retards can't smell the bullshit on this story, then I feel sorry for you.

> No named sources
> No info on vetting of sources
> No corroboration of accounts
> Phony, Hollywood-esque quotes like "If you win on the battlefield, you don't lose investogations"

Honestly, this smells like a Rolling Stone article. Shit-tier journalism. Sloppy investigation done by a journalist trying to make it to the NYT.

>>32604121
Maher made broad stupid generalizations about a billion people, the vast majority of whom aren't white and who are racialised in the US, so yes, racism is the correct term here.

Hussain essentially called Sam Harris' butt buddy an uncle tom, which is a stupid non-argument, but neither is the right's faux concern with racism when it suits them.

I'm not going through the trouble of getting around that pay wall on mobile to read some shitty hit piece. Paste bin that shit or BTFO

>>32604418

and oh yes, I can produce a source for that as well:

>It is always stunning when a country that has brought violence and military force to numerous countries acts shocked...when someone brings a tiny fraction of that violence back to that country. - Glenn Greenwald"

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/thursday-ottawa-shooting-glenn-greenwald-fallen-soldier-helper-norwegian-security-and-more-1.2902818/glenn-greenwald-canada-no-longer-acts-as-a-peaceable-country-should-not-be-surprised-by-attacks-1.2902819


But I'm sure this just him being "nuanced"

>>32604397
>You're the one that started slinging shit at me over a simple disagreement, you're hardly one to complain about someone else being petty.

I didn't, you're the one who blatanly mischaracterised a piece of journalism.

>>32604435
I have to agree

Something doesn't really seen right, especially the ending where the seasoned SEAL Team 6 operator leaves silently after looking through a photo collection of mutilated corpses

SEALs are prone to exaggerating and lying through their teeth, as the article points out, most SEALs who come out and try to make bank are all mostly exposed for bukkshitting and exaggerating. How can the journalist trust these 'sources' that he has? How does he know they're not bullshitting him or covering their own asses?

There's not much collaboration of sources either, it's either b SEAL contractor say y, c SEAL commander say x, etc

>>32604418
>>32604449
That has nothing to do with your original point. You made the meme-argument that Greenwald is some spoiled hippy who has never faced hardship, which is simply false.

>>32604456

Yeah and if I said David Irving had dog in the fight over the Holocaust effecting his judgment as a historian, I'm sure /pol/ would jump on my case and say I'm misrepresenting him as well. Doesn't mean the accusation is false.

>>32604293
>embodies the lefts take on how to fight the islamic menace
Not really.

>>32604482
The guy has a dozen witnesses, who aren't exactly bragging, so it's safe to assume at least the jist of it is true. He contacted everyone involved for comment.

It's not like he can go to a war zone in Afghanistan controlled by AQ or the Taliban and gather forensic evidence. Most of the military's reports (if they exist) are classified.
The guy did the best he could.

>>32604486

>You made the meme-argument that Greenwald is some spoiled hippy who has never faced hardship

If its meme-argument, then maybe you shouldn't take it so seriously, and realize its just an attempt to lighten the mood around the subject. I was more talking in general terms, but considering the story that made him was Snowden, which he "broke" while hanging out in his house with his boyfriend, I think I'll stand by that point.

>>32602995
>Don't root out the extremists who's mantra is DOWN WITH AMERICA
>extremists end up being successful in an attack for once
>anyone who harbors terrorists will be treated similarly
>entire country is now a war zone
>stay there because LOL FUCK AMERICA, I like my Islam bros who declare them enemies, and have even agreed to help them
>allow ourselves to be used as human shields
>have a "wedding party"
>fuck, we got blown up

>>32604491
>Godwin's law

Your comparison makes no sense

>People actually believe Osama was killed by Seal Team Six

Wow. CNN must be one hell of a drug.

>>32604301
>he was still the least of three evils by a wide margin
Nah.

He lied repeatedly to Parliament and the people about budget spending, and was found in contempt for doing it to Parliament. He repeatedly lied about the cost of various programs including the cost of our new ships (told us they'd be $25 billion not $100). He balanced the budget by 'forgetting' to pay our bills (that is, he'd give an office $5 million to spend, only let them use 4 million, and use the remainder to help balance the budget, without telling us he was underfunding government services), wasn't even good to the military, being cheap all the time and dumping CO's for political reasons, and treated veterans like shit... And I could go on.

There's a reason why he doesn't show his face in public anymore. And there's a reason why people still love Peter McKay (ya know, a real Tory), because he got out of the room before the stink could stick to him. The only thing Harper ever did good was let Flaherty take charge of the 2008 Economic crisis, and subsidize post-secondary education to help people get back in the job market by learning new skills that would be useful toward that.

If Trudeau keeps doing a whole lotta' nothing, then that still makes him a better PM than Harper by a long shot.

>ON MAY 1, two stealth Black Hawk helicopters took off from Jalalabad, Afghanistan, and headed east toward Abbottabad. The flight took 90 minutes, and as the Black Hawk Bissonnette rode in approached the compound walls, it effectively slammed on the brakes. The pilot who had warned that one of the helicopters would stall was right. Bissonnette’s helicopter crashed into bin Laden’s side yard. Bissonnette and his teammates were nearly killed, and many of the operators aboard ended up with chronic injuries.

>many of the operators aboard ended up with chronic injuries.

that's the biggest pile of horseshit I've witnessed in a long time

>>32604570
Wait, so all of the people doing military accounting and bids and all that had no idea a claim of 25 bill would be closer to 100 bill? And you all are satisfied with blaming the one dude at top?

>>32602682
anybody asked Don Shipley for a comment on this?

>>32602842

The entirety of our involvement in WWII lasted 4 years. American infantry didn't see nearly that long in combat. By comparison, our involvement in the Middle East has lasted four times as long. Some people in the special operations community have been deployed for as long as WWII lasted, some longer.

>>32604486
>That has nothing to do with your original point.
Welcome to arguing with the far-right. They'll change topics fast enough to make your head spin, rather than admit they might ever be wrong.

>>32604552

I don't believe I accused Greenwald of being a nazi. The point of the comparison with Irving is that it became very clear in his writings that he had some level of sympathy for the 3rd Reich, but of course whenever he got up in front of the public on tv, he would walk back his position, "oh well maybe it wasn't six million, but it sure was a lot." Which yes, if someone who didn't have his track record had said that, I might be willing to hear him out, he didn't so I don't.

>>32604532
>I was more talking in general terms, but considering the story that made him was Snowden, which he "broke" while hanging out in his house with his boyfriend, I think I'll stand by that point.
He did break Snowden's story, since Edward Snowden literally sent the disclosures to him.

Do you honestly think the NSA hasn't tried to hack into Greenwald's systems, that he isn't under government surveillance? The Guardian had its computers smashed by GCHQ for these same leaks, pretended that these journalists didn't face consequences for exposing the intel agencies is bullshit.

>>32604610

Far right huh? Oh so now we believe in motives, and that they are relevant.

>>32604540
>stay there because fuck america
Yeah the people living in Afghanistan didn't flee their country en masse because they hated America.

How retarded are you?

>>32604600
>And you all are satisfied with blaming the one dude at top?
Considering noone under him who knew better told us so, and that the math we were presented at the time looked correct, yeah it is his fault.

>>32604630
Remind me again what the deal is with Europe and refugees right now, please.

>>32604641
So no one double checked the math, or whoever did the math initially was challenged?

>>32604621

>Do you honestly think the NSA hasn't tried to hack into Greenwald's systems, that he isn't under government surveillance? The Guardian had its computers smashed by GCHQ for these same leaks, pretended that these journalists didn't face consequences for exposing the intel agencies is bullshit.

Probably. Like Hillary Clinton DNC hack controversy, nobody feels particularly sorry for the NSA, with good reason, but that doesn't mean the other side isn't nefarious or that they don't have their own agenda. NSA and GCH didn't force Greenwald to write the things that he does or believe the things that he does.

>>32604612
It's actually well known that David Irving's a nazi, he describes in his books how he felt sympathy for the germans when he was a child. During his trial his diary was published and it's full of hatred for jews and blacks.

Your comparison is still bad. What do you honestly think motivates Glenn Greenwald? His love for Islamists, even though he's gay? or a critical look at the US gained through seeing its surveillance state?

>>32604579
>that's the biggest pile of horseshit I've witnessed in a long time

It's literally in the public record that a chopper crash during the Bin Laden raid.

>>32604642
Well, those refugees are Syrians, not Afghanis, so it sounds like you actually need to be reminded that they're 2 entirely different countries, separated by a whole bunch of desert and an inland sea as well.

Otherwise, your assertion that everyone in Afghanistan was an enemy because they didn't leave the country is still retarded.

>>32604653
>or whoever did the math initially was challenged?
Or lied, considering that seemed to be a big trend with the Harper government.

>inb4 all government do that
But not all of them get held in Contempt for doing it, which is what happened in our case, the first time ever in the whole of the British Commonwealth.

File: 1482542643731.jpg (24KB, 670x549px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 670x549px

Honestly, I could care less if they were open about it and said, "yes, x SEAL did y really fucked-up thing once during z deployment because they were in a firefight and he just got caught up in the adrenaline and fear and all that and broke for a second." The fact that they're then lying about things and acting like hoodlums about it is where I draw the line. Yeah, they're professional killers, so something like this happening every now and then isn't and shouldn't be that surprising, but it's just sick that it was a consistent thing, that command structures barely did anything to police behavior, and that guys got so motivated by trophy hunting bullshit that they broke protocol and potentially put their teammates in danger so they could earn bragging rights. The yelling match described between Brissonette and McNeill over who would get the book and movie deal for Neptune Spear really says it all. It was an unregulated breakdown of professionalism by a minority of guys who were predisposed to being hooligans. Yeah, it's gross that they were mutilating corpses and acting like savages in response to the savage behavior of Islamists, but the worst part is that they put were consistently putting their teammates in danger and compromising security for the sake of what amounts to dick-wagging macho bullshit. It's not like Vietnam or the Pacific, where you had teenage draftees going nuts in the jungle after seeing horrific things happen to their own guys and being on alert 24/7 for weeks on end. After the war, those guys that went nuts in the jungle came back and had serious issues. We all know the stereotypical homeless junkie Vietnam vet with PTSD, but that shit was just as common after WWII. These guys in DEVGRU, though, they were highly-trained volunteers who were supposed to be professionals, but instead they were reveling in the glory of doing nasty shit and trying to make a profit off it. They give a bad name to the decent guys that served with them.

>>32602682
>Less than a week before the assault, Bissonnette and O’Neill got into a shouting match at the Dam Neck base over who would sell the inside story of the raid. Several of their teammates on the mission had to intervene, according to a former SEAL Team 6 operator. A former SEAL Team 6 leader told me that O’Neill and Bissonnette originally agreed to cooperate on a book or movie project after the raid was over, but later had a falling out. The former SEAL leader said the extensive amount of training for the mission, combined with Bissonnette’s planning role, gave both men ample opportunity to find ways to put themselves on the third floor, in a good position to kill bin Laden.

Really makes you think...

>>32604680
How in the hell did you miss the second quotation where I specifically singled out the claim that many operators were chronically injured during the crash?

>>32604657
What is Greenwald's nefarious agenda? From what I can tell he wants a world with less govt secrecy, more privacy and fewer needless war deaths.

>>32602911
>not like professionals

The fact rhat they are expected to be professional makes it less suprising. These guys are good and they know they are good. They also know that unless they catastrophically fuck it up they will get away with it because of their sheer worth to the government atm.

The people they kill are fucking scum and the world is better off.

>>32602911
>>implying they're supposed to be savages and not professionals
And who the fuck are you to decide what they should or should not be?

>>32604669

>It's actually well known that David Irving's a nazi, he describes in his books how he felt sympathy for the germans when he was a child. During his trial his diary was published and it's full of hatred for jews and blacks.

So the metric here is well known motives rather than just correctly asserted motives? Seems counter empirical to me.

>What do you honestly think motivates Glenn Greenwald?

I think he's a classic example of the horseshoe theory. He's a what a happened to the left after the end of the Cold War. The defeat and discrediting of the preferred revolutionary force for change forced them to find another tool, another mechanism to up end the existing world order. Even if the force is chaotic and violates some their earlier tenants, it is still acceptable. Why does something like queers for Palestine exist? Why is Islam on top the oppression pyramid, over gays, trans, women, blacks, you name, all these considerations are at best secondary.

>>32604714
How is people getting injured during a crash such an unbelievable claim?

>>32604699
It wasn't my assertion, jackass. That is what the president said at the time. They knew full well what he was saying. They harbored the guys anyway.
Get your head out of your ass and smell some fresh air for once.

>>32604767
>thinking the people of Afghanistan in general had any idea what George Bush said at any time
These people are lucky to have an AM/FM radio, let alone internet access or a TV in fucking 2001.

>>32604755
Simply because heroic SEALs getting munched in a helicopter crash would've been milked to death in all Pentagon accounts in order to promote a heroic narrative if such fact had occurred.

File: IMG_0118.jpg (903KB, 2048x1536px) Image search: [Google]

903KB, 2048x1536px

>>32604702

The part that got me was when they mentioned how a bunch of guys became fans of the novel "Devil's Guard". That was popular when I was in the Marines and I think we had similar problems with people thinking anything was permissible just because there's a war on.

Making mistakes in the moment is expected, but when you start breaking the law and justifying it, it will only get easier until you completely forget about things like loyalty and patriotism and honor and just become another thug.

>>32603465
I saw a documentary on these guys and they seemed pretty chill. One part creeped me out, though, because they were showing them in their living quarters and one of them straight-up pulls out a cheapo RC helicopter like you get at Walmart and just starts playing with it. It was just weird, because something in me just clicked and I realized that this guy was like 19 and was still just a kid. Yeah, he had the uniform and the high-and-tight and all that, but he was playing with this little helicopter like one of my own kids would. It was just unnerving. It was like a bunch of dumb kids playing with toys and doing teenage locker room talk, and then all of sudden it cuts to the next scene and they're covered in blood in the back of a helicopter sticking a decompression needle in a guy's chest and telling him he's going to be fine even though he's obviously on the brink. Creepy.

>>32603673
Same. I don't think anyone was at fault there except for intel, and maybe Hyder for stomping in a dead guy's skull.

>>32604809
"chronic injuries" can be a lot of things though, including the proverbial "my knee hurts when it rains".

>>32604801
You have no fucking clue how the tribal governments functioned if you think all of those people were completely fucking clueless as to why there were a bunch of armed people in their country.
Stop talking out of your ass. Seriously, pull your head out. It's nicer.

>>32604751
>So the metric here is well known motives rather than just correctly asserted motives? Seems counter empirical to me.
I said in tge sentence after that your speculations about his motivations don't prove anything about the validity of his writing.

>I think he's a classic example of the horseshoe theory. He's a what a happened to the left after the end of the Cold War. The defeat and discrediting of the preferred revolutionary force for change forced them to find another tool, another mechanism to up end the existing world order. Even if the force is chaotic and violates some their earlier tenants, it is still acceptable. Why does something like queers for Palestine exist? Why is Islam on top the oppression pyramid, over gays, trans, women, blacks, you name, all these considerations are at best secondary.

So he just pathalogically hates America wants wants to see it destroyed by Islamists. He does this somehow by pointing out the morally wrong things the US does?

'Queers for Palestine' exists for the same reason evangelicals love Israel. They think they're supporting a good cause even though the subject of the support isn't particularly fond of them. Most pro-Palestine activists have nothing to do with Islamism, they protest shit like settlements or the refugee camps in Lebanon.

>>32604811
Yeah, I agree. I think it says a lot that these guys were getting tatted up like bikers with a bunch of tough-guy shit. That should have been a clue to command that something was up, and that asshole who was there because daddy had connections should not have given them those fucking tomahawks and encouraged them to act like savages. Some of them clearly were just thugs operating without oversight, and it gives the whole unit a bad name.

>>32604847
Oh, I honestly no idea. Must've been something that got lost in translation then. To me "chronic" always meant "serious", "life threatening". But you're right now that you mention it.

>>32604919
What is wrong with or edgy about carrying a tomahawk when you're infantry, let alone special forces going on close quarters raids?

>isis cuts heads off
>this strengthens americans resolves to go kill them
>americans cut heads off
>this will somehow scare the enemy into stopping

>>32604883

>So he just pathalogically hates America wants wants to see it destroyed by Islamists.

Or see it severely damaged after an unsuccessful conflict with global jihadism, that the left can then seize the opportunity to regain the initiative. The left has been in a state of gradual decline since 1989. The lost on Brexit, they lost on Trump, a party with nazi origins nearly won in Austria, Le Pen is on the rise, the Syriza party only won thanks to an alliance with the far right, occupy failed, Castros dead, Venezuela is imploding. Shits lookin bad if you're a left of any stripe. So yeah, some people are resorting to desperate measures, because we could be back to a pre-1789 status quo in terms of the existence of a coherent and credible left.

>He does this somehow by pointing out the morally wrong things the US does?

The point of propaganda is not to lie. In fact thats the last thing you want to do. Rather, you selectively twist information in your favor. The moment somebody like wikileaks publishes something that is just flay out, provably false, they're fucking done.

>>32605086

Take for example the oft used argument by vatniks that the US told Gorbachev they would not expand NATO to the east. Technically this is true:

>Jan. 31, 1990, then West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher did suggest that Soviet anxieties about a united Germany's membership in NATO be met by promising that there would be "no expansion of NATO territory eastward" from the Federal Republic. The issue was expansion into the territory of the former East German state. (There is no evidence that in late January or early February of 1990 anyone — Mr. Genscher, James Baker or Mikhail Gorbachev — was even thinking, much less talking, about the possibility of NATO expansion even further into East-Central Europe).

>A few days later, Mr. Genscher persuaded Secretary of State James Baker, to adopt this position on expansion into East Germany. Shortly afterward, Mr. Baker flew to Moscow and became the first Western statesman to offer this assurance directly to Mr. Gorbachev.

>>32605079
Are you implying that is what a tomahawk is for, or are you bringing up cutting heads off out of the blue? If the former, a tomahawk would be worse than a normal knife for that, and a normal knife doesn't make the job easy if going by ISIS and cartel vids is anything.

>>32605003
The fact that the guy whose idea it was to hand them out knew that some guys in his unit were really into the whole "we're savage Apache warriors" thing. It's fine to have a mascot, and it's fine to carry a tomahawk if you're going to use it, but when you know that some of the guys under your command have gotten into the whole "I'm a savage Redman" thing like they did, and you give them the traditional weapon of the mascot, you're encouraging savagery. It goes without saying, especially considering that the same officer that handed them out made "bloody the hatchet" an unofficial motto and personally finished off or did a "security shot" on a guy with his hatchet despite protocol being for those tasks to be done with a firearm, that hoodlum behavior was being encouraged.

>>32605105

However only very narrowly true

>While Mr. Baker was in Moscow, however, officials at the White House had analyzed Mr. Genscher's position with respect to NATO and East Germany more closely and decided that it was untenable. President George Bush and Secretary Baker both agreed, and, only hours after Mr. Baker met with Mr. Gorbachev, the United States adopted a new position.

>Washington's new stance was that NATO territory would extend eastward to cover all of a united Germany as soon as it was unified. NATO forces would not move east during a transition period while Soviet troops were leaving Germany, but once Soviet troops were gone (in 1994) Germany's armed forces, fully integrated into NATO's military command, would be able to operate freely in the East.

>The United States would promise only that Eastern Germany would have a "special military status," so that non-German allied forces would not be deployed in the former GDR. Mr. Bush and Mr. Baker secured Chancellor Helmut Kohl's agreement to this position when the leaders met at Camp David on Feb. 24 and 25.

>The new position was immediately publicized. It was presented directly to Mr. Gorbachev by Mr. Baker in Moscow on May 18, and presented to Mr. Gorbachev again by Mr. Bush in Washington on May 31. Mr. Gorbachev did not oppose the new formula. Instead the Washington meeting became a turning point on the fundamental issue of a united Germany's right to choose continued membership in NATO.

>http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/10/opinion/10iht-edzel.t.html

>>32603015
Careful with that there edge.

>>32605122

>Most pro-Palestine activists have nothing to do with Islamism, they protest shit like settlements or the refugee camps in Lebanon.

Most activists are not extremists, that doesn't mean the extremist aren't running the show.

File: 1477967516270.jpg (39KB, 407x405px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 407x405px

>>32604984
chronic means recurring.

File: Happy Vlad.gif (2MB, 500x281px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 500x281px

>>32604005
This may be the only time, out of the hundreds of thousands it has been posted on the web in dozens of languages and themes that it's fitting.
Well done anon.

>>32602911
I don't think you understand war and killing. Seals belong to a very small portion of people who will actually shoot to kill in combat and the even smaller percentage who excel at the activity. They are not normal people. War is hell and they wish to be the gatekeepers.

>>32605111
Have you ever considered reading articles before commenting on them?

File: How close are you to a war crime.jpg (135KB, 750x793px) Image search: [Google]

135KB, 750x793px

>>32603867
>you couldn't find a Marines or Soldier who would risk getting blown up or stabbed trying to take a prisoner

>>32602682
This makes me like them more.

>>32605115
Who knew all this? I mean, if you're not talking about just going after the people who saw it first hand who who had official reports, then you're talking about hindsight, not just the fact that some dudes had tomahawks. (which, btw, I would probably prefer over a knife for the kind of shit they were doing)

>>32605181
I read about as much as I could stand from some guy who has already made up his own mind about things that he clearly does not know much about, or give sources for, at least.
It's a piece of shit article.

>>32605174
except US SF, the 75th Rangers, and CAG don't have these problems and somehow do fine in actual battle

>>32603901
yeah i read the book

>>32603833
Speztnaz tier

File: thrash.jpg (9KB, 300x168px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 300x168px

>Although this former SEAL acknowledged that war crimes are wrong, he understood how they happen. “You ask me to go living with the pigs, but I can’t go live with pigs and then not get dirty.”
>mfw

>>32605217
Read the article

>>32603400
PROTIP: The behaviors you're describing all date to AFTER the US invasion, not before it.

It's almost like bombing a civilization into the Middle Ages then continuing to bomb them doesn't accomplish anything except make them fucking hate you. It's almost like constant escalation doesn't de-escalate situations. It's almost like filling a country with flying death robots and killing literally whoever for over a decade doesn't exactly produce nice people.

If they weren't fighting the West and the US in particular you'd be pulling your little pud to these brave freedom fighters standing up to the people invading their homeland and committing war crimes against innocents.

See: Rambo 3, Reagan, Bush et al

I don't particularly like Ron Paul but this is so on point it hurts and I'm blown away by how many people don't seem to get this: https://youtu.be/FqAF-Alc7CM

>>32602682
I call bullshit. He has no sources, cites witness that I don't know are real or not, and gave vague images that don't prove shit.

I looked up some stuff and still haven't got much. Closest thing to a "wedding day massacre" was a bombing on a completely different date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukaradeeb_wedding_party_massacre

>>32604005
thank you for your service.

semper fido

>>32605260
I gave it one click, that's enough for that garbage. Seriously, there is not one thing backing up what the author is saying that isn't in official records.
Anyone who takes this shit seriously is a goober.

>>32603685
shit, my cousin the gay flight attendent sold a half script of V when he was in dubai for one of those 1oz gold bars they sell in the vending machine in that big mall by the airport. the big fat arab dude was like you got viagra!!! I will give you this for it, and traded it off. he stopped selling coke and went full underground viagra salesman. there is some kind of weird laws over there about it being prescribed.

File: 1460033453573.jpg (6KB, 225x236px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 225x236px

>>32602682

Who the fuck is this dweeb?

>“Every one of us is issued and carries a suppressed weapon,” said one former senior SEAL, referring to the Heckler & Koch assault rifles, equipped with silencers, issued to the operators. “There just isn’t a need to carry a two-pound hatchet on the battlefield.”

>>32602970
Think about this.
You are able to bitch and discuss this because of the very people you are bitching about. Move to north Korea and try it.

>>32603916
They're literally getting BTFO on the ground already you fucking retard. The idea that ISIS constitutes an existential threat to the US when they find their operations by robbing extorting and robbing the citizens of their failed """"state""" is pure delusion.

If we'd just back the fuck off and stop dumping money and munitions into these places to help whatever """"ally"""" is most ideologically convenient at any given moment (and desu Russia would do the same, it's on them Syria got as bad as it did, fucking vodkaniggers and their warm water ports) it would eventually stabilize. Granted it would take a long fucking time because that entire region has been taking unlubricated superpower dick for over half a century but clearly our interference is doing more harm than good.

I bet you think everything South of the United States being a fucking shithole has nothing to do with us directly funding literally whoever was conveniently killing whoever we didn't like at a given moment too.

>>32605262
The military didn't follow LeMay's logic; if you kill enough of them they stop fighting.

>>32602970
>what is the first admendments for 500 jerry
But whatever if and special ops retard want to fight me ill post my addres
21 sunset canada
Say it 2 my face at cordon bitch ass wanna STALKER
Loner for life.

>>32605428
>implying SEALs have actually defended anyone's freedoms in a meaningful way
this maybe made sense applied to WWII vets but if a bunch of guys who mostly just shoot dirt farmers and johnny jihadi didn't exist, we wouldn't turn into fucking north korea overnight.

anyways somehow Delta manages to actually be good at hostage rescue and counterterror without literally committing war crimes

>>32604045
Nobody is saying bin Laden didn't deserve to die, you retard.

What we're saying is that they executed him because if he had gotten a trial and given testimony he would've said some very embarrassing things about the US.

You think they just indefinitely detain Gitmo prisoners without trial because they're bad guys? Fuck no. Some of them literally didn't do anything but if we shine too much light on it the public's going to start getting really uncomfortable about what the US actually does and has accomplished in the Middle East

>>>>32604435
You want shit tier journalism?

http://www.baka.com.au/national/dvd-exposes-australian-commandos-at-play-in-afghanistan-20140315-34u20.html

I'll post a Commando's written response to this as well.

>>32604832
>shinji, get in the fucking Little Bird

>>32604540
Yeah we've been really welcoming with all those Afghan refugees huh

File: 1452738912092.gif (494KB, 200x200px) Image search: [Google]

494KB, 200x200px

>>32604540
>refugees are cowards who are fleeing their country when they should be MEN and fight to take it back
>lol but also if you stay in your country it's you're fault if a drone strike kills you because obviously you're a combatant or why would you be there

>>32605262
>PROTIP: The behaviors you're describing all date to AFTER the US invasion, not before it.

Oh how you are gravely mistaken

>>32605262
>It's almost like bombing a civilization into the Middle Ages then continuing to bomb them doesn't accomplish anything except make them fucking hate you. It's almost like constant escalation doesn't de-escalate situations. It's almost like filling a country with flying death robots and killing literally whoever for over a decade doesn't exactly produce nice people.

Yes that certainly didn't work for Japan

>>32602682
China here.

Good to know.

When we capture them while they try to sabotage our ASBM launchers, we will not treat them like POWs.

We will flay them alive, salt them and feed their corpses to the dogs.

>>32605463
>anyways somehow Delta manages to actually be good at hostage rescue and counterterror without literally committing war crimes

This

SEALs, like Marines, and blown way out of proportion and they believer their own hype

>>32605262
wut.
Taliban effectively obliterated the secular tribal groups post soviet afghan invasion. The same secular groups that cooperated with U.S elements the most.

Iraq had separate factions vying for control after saddam. Post invasion there was an overrepresentation of foreign fighters in insurgency forces. Foreign fighters such as separatist chechens. A similar scenario is happening with ISIS albeit with fighters from Africa and traditional first world nations.

>>32603640
>penis pills
Allow operators to operate at high operatin' altitudes, like those encountered in Afghanistan.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060624120556.htm

>>32603684
Thousands of years worth of various crushed nations and tribes disagrees with you there.

Mutilation and torture does not work without the total threat of retaliation and genocide behind it.

Half assing it and pretending to be a humanitarian after would fail like you mention however.

>>32605476

>Nobody is saying bin Laden didn't deserve to die, you retard.

Yes they do mean that fucknuts, just because you're late to the party doesn't mean I'm going to spend any time explaining to you what I have already been arguing for the last hour.


>What we're saying is that they executed him


What, that bullshit about the CIA supposedly backing him directly in Afghanistan?

>You think they just indefinitely detain Gitmo prisoners without trial because they're bad guys?

Yeah, I'm not taking the bait. I came here to argue one thing, either refute it or GTFO.

and because somebody requested it, here is the Wall Street Journal article:

http://archive.is/4XY2G

>Yet even as Mr. Snowden’s narrative was taking hold in the public realm, a secret damage assessment done by the NSA and Pentagon told a very different story. According to a unanimous report declassified on Dec. 22 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the investigation showed that Mr. Snowden had “removed” (not merely touched) 1.5 million documents. That huge number was based on, among other evidence, electronic logs that recorded the selection, copying and moving of documents.

Now compare that to Greenwald's narrative about the entire affair.

>>32605430
Sounds like some asshurt liberal unwilling to permanently end another scourge to western society.

And ask europe if an islamic state isn't an existential threat.

File: seals.png (39KB, 732x224px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 732x224px

>>32602682
>headshots are war crimes

File: 1483135617444.jpg (96KB, 700x875px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 700x875px

>>32603001

For starters this is /k/, If no one reads the article that means /k/ didn't read it, not...

>le /pol/ boogeyman

Also....

>they only read KKK pamphlets.

Holy shit, libtard normie of the highest order detected. This kind of statement pretty much proves you're some kind of redditor. Sorry to break it to you. But the KKK has been pretty much a dead and irrelevant organization compromised of 100 rednecks that has not been involved in anything important for over 30 years.

What's next out if your mouth?

>le polacks and surviving Rhodesians and Hitler who escaped to Argentina are in a secret conspiracy to kill brown people via controlling Dawnald Trumpf

Might as well just say that and go full double digit I.Q. nigger brained normie retard.

Wow the people we trained to kill take pride in it and do a good job of it and make sure they actually killed people

Color me fucking shocked

>>32605430
Well like I've said, I'd rather not fight the hajis, them getting to power was our governments doing.

I would rather just leave the entire middle east alone, I wish our government would quit destabilizing it for whatever bullshit reason they're doing it for.

I'm not talking about ISIS specifically, I'm just saying if we HAD to fight an enemy as savage and brutal as ISIS, morality would have to be thrown out the window, my actual views on the mess that is the middle east actually falls in line with yours since I've actually been over there and can attest to what you said.

>I bet you think everything South of the United States being a fucking shithole has nothing to do with us directly funding literally whoever was conveniently killing whoever we didn't like at a given moment too.

Trust me I know Mexico and Central America is fucked because of US AND Soviet intervention, my parents are from one of those countries.

File: 1468046113770.png (481KB, 1000x665px) Image search: [Google]

481KB, 1000x665px

>>32605174
for fucks sake don't start repeating that bullshit that people won't shoot to kill. Of all the stupid sensationalist bullshit repeated by armchair generals, this is some of the worst.

File: CIAmad.png (58KB, 740x343px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 740x343px

>>32605766
>CIA mad that terrorists got painless death rather than being tortured for months on end

>>32605764
There's a whole entire ocean between Europe and America anon.

And ISIS can't even hold Middle Eastern war-torn shitholes down.

Shootings/bombings are a threat, but it seems that you don't know what the word "existential" means

>>32603334
>>32603346
>Delta Force
more like Alpha Force

>>32605763

as far as the controversy about how Snowden ended up Russia, well....

>He has insisted he had no intention of defecting to Russia but was on his way to Latin America when he was trapped in Russia by the U.S. government in an attempt to demonize him.

>For example, in October 2014, he told the editor of the Nation, “I’m in exile. My government revoked my passport intentionally to leave me exiled” and “chose to keep me in Russia.” According to Mr. Snowden, the U.S. government accomplished this entrapment by suspending his passport while he was in midair after he departed Hong Kong on June 23, thus forcing him into the hands of President Vladimir Putin’s regime.

>None of this is true. The State Department invalidated Mr. Snowden’s passport while he was still in Hong Kong, not after he left for Moscow on June 23. The “Consul General-Hong Kong confirmed that Hong Kong authorities were notified that Mr. Snowden’s passport was revoked June 22,” according to the State Department’s senior watch officer, as reported by ABC news on June 23, 2013.

>Mr. Snowden could not have been unaware of the government’s pursuit of him, since the criminal complaint against him, which was filed June 14, had been headline news in Hong Kong. That the U.S. acted against him while he was still in Hong Kong is of great importance to the timeline because it points to the direct involvement of Aeroflot, an airline which the Russian government effectively controls. Aeroflot bypassed its normal procedures to allow Mr. Snowden to board the Moscow flight—even though he had neither a valid passport nor a Russian visa, as his newly assigned lawyer, Anatoly Kucherena, said at a press conference in Russia on July 12, 2013.

>>32605875
that particular story smelled like stupidity

CIA case officers are not exactly experts in close quarters battle. They can ask that you take people alive all they want but at the end of the day, if someone's got a gun and displays hostile intent I'm shooting them, fuck the CIA. If there are 4 guys in a room sleeping with AKs by their beds, there is no way I'm gonna play the cop game while hoping his buddies don't wake up and pop a cap in me.

File: Joshua_Wheeler_portrait.jpg (13KB, 220x293px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 220x293px

>>32603533

I mean...

>>32605763
>>32605930

Also keep in mind Greenwald claimed on at least one occasion that national security for the UK and the US was not jeopardized as a result of his reporting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

Well sorry, but the facts simply prove his assertion to be false.

>>32605965
That guy is different. He had some kind of condition I think.

>>32605897
1.6 billion people with a general distaste of America, infesting of all our trading parties and allies, and nuclear armaments. Not to mention corruption of our nation via the coercion of the progressives to shield the civilian population spewing all the terrorists that slaughter our civilians while we are lied to to protect theirs.

That is an existential threat to our culture and pride, to which gives soverignty and nationality their only value.

Lying down and accepting terror attacks for the sake of diversity is a disgusting lie that is an insult to america and all the minorities that DIDN'T go apeshit when they came in.

File: here_is_your__you_.gif (415KB, 480x238px) Image search: [Google]

415KB, 480x238px

>>32606080
Go ahead, post your survey of 1000 people that extrapolates those views to every Muslim in the world and that's totally not retarded at all. I'll wait.

You think I haven't heard /pol/'s Greatest Hits before? Step your game up nigger

>>32603916
Maybe if you kill yourself we'll have less faggots and they won't hate us anymore.

>>32606185
>w-we must p-protect the hajis fee-fees

How about they can go fuck themselves instead, it's still the best answer to the Haji Question

>>32602682
"B-b-but dey gillled da ebil derrrorist and buried da body in da river in Arabic tradition"

>>32605804
They still have no proof that they killed Bin Laden.

>>32603346
Man, that's one butthurt cadre washout Airborne Ranger

>>32606129
>discarding evidence
>totally because the standards are low, and not because it contradicts what you want to believe
1000 people is huge, have you never taken stats before? Have you not seen the many other surveys of attitudes in the islamic world, that all say the same thing?

You're just as bad as the people that keep quoting Lewontin's discredited works on HBD

>>32604600
>wait one guy doesn't ruin a western nation on his own

Gee wiz where the fuck have you been

>>32603179
CTR please exit bag yourself.

>>32606080
>people will have a general distaste for you if you stage coups in their countries, arm terrorists, and drone strike their families

woah

>>32606251
I meant more in general, on the topic of "canoeing"

>>32603684
No lets bring them all to Europe and give them welfare because that works so well you liberal pussyfart.

who doesn't these days?

>>32602682

Sounds like propaganda in favor of SF, tbqh. I've read the article and it seems like their trying to make out a reputation of SF being bloodthirsty wardogs instead of people; exactly the image that they are trying to project.

>The operator who made the bleed-out videos was forced out of SEAL Team 6 the following year after a drunken episode at Bagram in which he pistol-whipped another SEAL.
NCIS exists for a reason. People like this. War is hell, but you don't uphold a creed like "Uncompromising integrity is my standard. My character and honor are steadfast. My word is my bond", and then act like a fucking savage.

>>32602682
>american soldiers are war criminals

shocking, really

File: eatfuckkill.jpg (58KB, 300x352px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 300x352px

>>32602911
>implying they're supposed to be savages and not professionals

You CLEARLY have never served.

>>32606789

war criminal is an oxymoron

war is already an unethical and violent permanent solution to a social problem, what's considered 'crimes' in war is nothing more than subjective bullshit to make people feel better about death

burn, slaughter, kill, maim, destroy

goatfuckers, mountain apes and dune coons can all get blown the fuck up into pink mist for all i care

bodycount

alpha force

>>32606947
Do you keep up with that show about Mars?

>>32606947

leaving aside the argument of just and unjust wars (and the recent US wars falling squarely in the latter), even if the war was totally justified, these soldiers' behavior is still criminal according to the rules set by their politician masters.

>>32605781
No, really, /pol/ only believes 1488 and Stormfront.

There's no reason to think otherwise. If you're a /pol/ack, please never come back to /k/.

>>32606304
Exactly.

This subterfuge shit is hit or miss.

If you don't follow through on said mistakes to capitalize conventionally then of course they will have the opportunity to hate.

What makes the muslims different than the other nuclear powers like the Russians or the Chinese is that the islamic terrorists have made special effort to slaughter our civilians and go apeshit while having almost no control over such attacks. Other military powers have a central chain of command and a general restraint when dealing with Western proxies.

However the middle east has no backers that would go nuclear to protect them besides maybe iran or pakistan. Meaning their civilian population is relatively vulnerable and ripe for retaliation. In fact they've personally launched attacks against pretty much every other nuclear capable country on the planet which means there will be less of a chance of said russians or chinese joining auch an axis especially if they get hit with terrorism too.

>>32607042
>unjust wars

>implying you can have a just war

>>32607091

yes, you can

here, try read this for starters

https://www.amazon.com/Just-Unjust-Wars-Historical-Illustrations/dp/0465052711

>>32607127
Yeah, exactly.

You're not welcomed here and never have been. Nigger is a state of mind, and you're one of them.

>>32607114
No you can't, you're trying to assign a concept of morality.

File: Nailed It.gif (2MB, 359x398px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 359x398px

>>32607135
>Nigger is a state of mind
Bam. Skin color doesn't make one a nigger. Actions do.

>>32607141

ya sure, nihilism usually stops being cool by the time you're 13 years old

>>32607114
And who gets to decide whats a just war?

According to the islamist they're war is just because Allah said so, we say its just because Islamist are evil, that dude who got droned and lost his family thinks that ISIS's war against the west is just and the Christian Arab thinks fighting ISIS with the help of the west is just because ISIS killed his family.

War is morally grey, I can split hairs all day on every war that has been fpught in human history to show you how each side thought their cause was "just"

File: mfw.jpg (139KB, 599x785px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 599x785px

>when youre a devgru operator who scalps dirt squirrels in fuckistan with a tomahawk

>>32607182
>implying the iraq and afghan occupations have anything to do with fighting political islam
>we should judge ourselves by ISIS standards

shieeeeeeeet

>I can split hairs all day on every war that has been fpught in human history to show you how each side thought their cause was "just"

that is not how you conduct a rational, objective assessment on the morality of war, that would be just pure grade-A irrelevant bullshit.

>>32607245

a rational assessment of war is useless trivia

human consciousness should have never taken place

we should just end the earth before it spirals and tethers across the universe like a mass of parasitic consumer bacteria

just one big fucking bright ball of flame

>>32607288

what a waste of best dubs

>>32607173
Sure, tell me more about your arbitrary system you and a bunch of random people created.

>>32607288
start by killing yourself for shitting up this thread

>>32607288
Misanthropy is for fags. If you don't want to be here, check the fuck out.

>>32607313
>read zero words on a philosophical issue
>the mountain of past scholarly works on that topic must be arbitrary

young minds at work

>>32602682
>“revenge ops,” unjustified killings, mutilations, and other atrocities — a pattern of criminal violence

You mean war?

>>32607135
butthurt nigger

if anything all this should show that their way of selecting officers for Devgru is retarded

in Delta everyone has to pass selection, officers included, and they receive extra scrutiny during the boards.

>>32605553
>>32605262
We nuked Japan twice. They stopped.
Bombs are stupid, nukes are the way to go.

>>32602682
literally all of those sources are anonymous. Fuck off.

>>32607638
>doesn't understand how investigative journalism works

by that standard, watergate is fake

>>32607638
>What is a whistleblower?
Snowden would be fucking ashamed. Although, your stupid ass probably thinks he's a "traitor".

>>32607245
>hat would be just pure grade-A irrelevant bullshit.

Who gets to decide whats relevant?

War isn't black and white fag

If it is then tell my who was "the right side" in the Bosnian War

>>32607679
>there's no right side in this one conflict so there's never any right side in any conflict!

10/10 logic skills

>>32607245
>spot the humanities major.
Don't act like you have any basis to judge war, because ultimately it is only the people who fight them that have any say of when and how it ends.

>>32607544
I like their 'punishment' system though. Mostly for the side effect of putting tier 1 guys back into the rest of the SEAL Teams and probably bolstering their capacity.

I like the idea of super sneaky and tier one capable guys being in every unit, mostly because sleeper cell or grizzled salty vets appeal to my cinematic autism.

File: 1471150216386s.jpg (5KB, 231x250px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 231x250px

>>32604005
For once this pasta is 10/10 comedy gold.
You just transcended shitposting.

>>32607789
meh

half measures like kicking guys out of DG and back into the teams doesn't seem like a good disincentive

in CAG if you fuck up bad don't expect to be in Group, you can kiss an Army SOF career goodbye forever.

then again the navy doesn't really have conventional infantry type units to kick people into. I guess back in the day before SEAL was its own rate you could have kicked people back into whatever bullshit rate they held like torpedoman

>>32602682
what brand of tomahawk is this? I want one.

>>32607714
Alright then what was a "just" war according to you then, I wanna hear this

>>32607945
in the article
>custom-made by Daniel Winkler
>Winkler sells similar hatchets for $600 each

I thought the Ruskies were savages. Though I'm not surprised at yanks defending yank savages acting as sub-human monkies. If it were any other nation you'd agree with me.
Soldiers are to be professionals, not animals. If the stress is too tough then dont go to war, period.

>>32607965
Poles defending their land from German aggression in 1939

File: IMG_4638.jpg (31KB, 229x283px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 229x283px

>>32608011
You win this one....

I'd say the dutch defending themselves too

File: isis-beheading-execution-of-spies-in-egypt-14110[1].jpg (178KB, 1024x576px) Image search: [Google]

178KB, 1024x576px

>>32607679
The side killing islamic shits. They were defending the west so ungrateful shits like you can run their mouths with the consequence being called out instead of being beheaded like in a muslim shithole.

>>32602911
'If you fight them , they win.'
Hey fuckoff Trudeau.

>>32607721

actually it would be their politician masters who decide how it ends, the soldiers have literally zero say on the issue.

>spot the humanities major

MS engineering actually, sorry to disappoint

>>32607679
>War isn't black and white fag

literally not what any reasonable and objective assessment of just vs unjust war is claiming

whereas you tossing out examples of "i said you said" is subjective viewpoints without any sort of logical construct with respect to morality, ergo, the definition of irrelevant.

amusingly the book i linked several posts ago has a discussion on the US intervention in the balkans, so all the more reason for you to head over to the library and get a copy before you run your mouth any further

>>32603019
To be fair, I'd do the same thing if I had foreign occupiers in my country.

>>32603019
>implying US intelligence has any clue what is going on in either Iraq or Afghanistan and isn't used most of the time by the locals to settle petty tribal disputes

>>32608115
get out in the real world and see how far your liberal meta-cuck sophostry flies.

>>32608076
Eh I came to realize you have a point a couple posts ago and was sort of arguing for the sake of arguing.

Still, I personally believe that we're suffering the consequences of our corrupt governments meddling in the middle east and despite that I still personally hate the haji, that fucking religion is a blight on this planet, at least christianity became docile to some degree but the truth is as long as islam exists, there will be violence and we're going to have to remove them IF they come at us.

>>32608254

please, explain to everyone how the US military doesn't really take orders from civilian politicians

>>32603684

The Romans never had a problem with Carthaginians after destroying Carthage

or the Gauls after genociding them

or the Jews after decimating them

or the gladiators after crucifying them

the Germans, well they just didn't finish the job.

>>32603899
I don't give a damn if the world hates America. Hate us more please. We'll just make more bombs to snuff out faggots like you with impunity and you'll STILL call us begging when you 'need' something.

>>32608115
Like you're the only one laddy.

Besides engineers have been building the weapons used to wipe out all those tribes and nations in the first place. So good job being a hypocrite if you even remotely work for a defense contractor.

Unless you're a civil engineer in which case, lol.

>>32608115
>politician
>masters
>laughingcoups.jpg
And this is why the vast majority of governments have been tyranical, when shitty civilian politicians become weak and forget they have a responsibility to chech their professional soldiers with a strongly empowered citizenry in all ways, including in firepower.

>>32602992
>https://theintercept.com/2017/01/10/the-crimes-of-seal-team-6/
what does picture say?

>>32603385
By that logic there is no justification for war.
>sees the germans gassing millions of civilians
>LOL at least it isn't a war

Please think before you speak.

>>32608390
>Like you're the only one laddy.
no, but obviously you are not. what happened to humanities major, btw? that meme lost its panache all of a sudden?

>So good job being a hypocrite if you even remotely work for a defense contractor.
not even remotely, sorry. just like the vast majority of engineering in this country has nothing to do with the mil-industrial complex... considered by most engineers to be the most god awful job option possible.

>civil engineer
not one, but you sound like you are not in a position to mock anyone with a BS degree, or any degree for that matter.

>>32603439
Special operations weathermen are probably pretty okay.

>>32608427

alas, the US military literally swears an oath to follow orders from the political class, regardless of whatever violent coup fantasies you harbor in your head.

>>32608459
>panache
>implying I don't shitpost on /k/ between bouts in the cleanroom working on silicon wafer fabrication and lithography.

Nice try but I remain unconvinced. And you literally have no idea what you are talking about. Defense contractors are a cushy spot to be in, at least initially as an entry engineer.

>>32608470
Because the Civil War never happened amirite?

Dude stop being such a fucking entitled child.

Them taking that oath doesn't mean you get to make shitty decisions that get them killed by a more ruthless enemies.

Soldiers are people too, and if you get people killed you are fucking responsible. Most civilians don't understand that part.

File: 100_1042.jpg (1MB, 2889x2157px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2889x2157px

>>32608497
>I remain unconvinced

ok

>Defense contractors are a cushy spot to be in, at least initially as an entry engineer.

You sound like a fab tech. I suppose the fixed hours and shitty pay would be a step up from the night shift, and the total lack of career advancement and mundane bureaucratic nightmare in the defense industry wouldn't matter to someone who is barely an engineer to begin with.

>>32608115
>masters
>implying

>>32608526
>Civil War

Yeah the military switched allegiance to a different set of politicians.

>you get to make shitty decisions that get them killed by a more ruthless enemies

Actually that is exactly what it can mean, the soldiers are to be used as politicians see fit, for better or worse.

>>32608546
>2004.

Hmmm not suspicious at all.

>>32608568

yes, there are people over the age of thirty on this board.

shocking, i know.

>>32608558
Except when soldiers get sick of it and shoot at said shitty politicans and dumb supporters.

Like naive people like you.

>>32608309
Mutilating corpses =/= murdering entire populaces

>>32608592

and when has that happened in the entire history of this nation? even the civil war was a rebellion led by southern politicians.

observe how politicians callously wasted the lives of tens of thousands of american soldiers in vietnam, and instead of doing what you describe, they fight a forty year rear-guard action defending their choice to waste their blood and time (remember that 3/4 of vietnam infantry were volunteers).

>>32604832
whats the name of the documentary

>>32608546
>You sound like a fab tech. I suppose the fixed hours and shitty pay would be a step up from the night shift, and the total lack of career advancement and mundane bureaucratic nightmare in the defense industry wouldn't matter to someone who is barely an engineer to begin with.

Like you never did bitch work as an intern or newbie before too. Chill out old man.

>>32608625
Whatever, I don't see intellectuals and philosophers doing anything substantial about, we grunts, operators and fighting men will always exist while fuckers like you get to act all high and mighty without actually improving anything.

Theres a fuckton of vets and active duty here so thats probably why you're getting a load of hostility.

>>32608660
>missing the point entirely

The point being is: the mil-industrial complex is known to be a shit place for engineering careers to die (or never start), and you would know this if you were an actual engineer and not a fab tech.

File: US_Navy_011019-N-0000X-001_Navy_file_photo_of_Basic_Underwater_Demolition-SEAL_(BUD-S)_graduating_class_236.jpg (1MB, 1978x1570px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1978x1570px

speaking of SEALs anyone know what country the these foreign guys are from?

>>32608672
>I don't see intellectuals and philosophers doing anything substantial about

Because you wouldn't even comprehend what you are looking at even if it were right in front of your face.

>without actually improving anything.

The GWOT has arguably increased the risk of harm to Americans while costing trillions of dollars, so there is cogent argument for you lot improving all of jack shit in the last decade and half.

>why you're getting a load of hostility.

Good, hostility is the usual response to someone without any logical arguments left to make (or with none to begin with).

>>32605781
Exactly as expected. Insults rather than evidence, unwarranted self-importance, and lazy memes. Trying to designate anyone who isn't foaming at the mouth a member of the outgroup (normie, redditor, non-white). Blow your brains out and you'll make the white (>implying) race average IQ bump up a smidge. That would require you to own guns, though.

>>32608625
They literally wasted a bunch of dumbfuck college kids at kent for protesting the war.

>>32608741
>national guard killing unarmed teenagers protesting against politicians is the same as soldiers killing said politicians for wasting their lives

goddamn

File: IMG_3390.jpg (23KB, 236x236px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 236x236px

>>32608699
There it is again, we're fucking grunts, God how some someone who goes off on how intellectual he is be so goddamn stupid?

You think we give a shit? Infantrymen and Fighting Men have been around for ages and there not going any time soon so forgive us if you're condescending bullshit just comes off as a bunch of chest beating because from where we're standing it isn't doing shit.

You said that we're at the mercy of our corrupt political masters, so why don't you go along be our inttelectual messiah and lead us in a glorious fucking struggle against the Elite, until then we'll keep fighting and dying for bullshit and arbitrary reasons until your way fucking works.

Maybe if you tried a different approach to getting your idea across people around here would listen, I'm pretty sure most people here just think your a raging asshole atm

>>32608680
Sounds like someone whose never worked in R&D.
>masters
>couldn't cut it in the PhD program
Protip: Not everyone who works in clean rooms is a technician. In case you forgot that other engineering disciplines exist.

>>32608760
>fat guys in suits are more bulletproof than hippies in hemp rags.
Maybe you should have gotten a manufacturing degree instead of being a wire monkey.

File: Ouroboros.jpg (19KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

19KB, 400x400px

>>32608790
>>32608699
>Not realizing that both of you are just playing your parts in the never ending cycle.

>>32608790

You can give a shit or not give a shit, it is indisputable fact that this country's military is entirely beholden to the political class. You added the corrupt part, not really disagreeing, but nice strawman nonetheless. It does not take a rocket scientist or an intellectual to see this.

Besides, you are all volunteers. How about you exercise your intellectualism and make a conscious decision to assess the values and priorities of the people you decide to serve before signing your lives over? Especially when they have ample history of pissing away the lives of your brethren for nothing more than credibility for the lecture tour circuit.

>raging asshole

topkek

It is hardly my fault that obvious facts incite your sort of reaction.

>>32608835
>fat guys in suits

The fat guys don't need to be bulletproof because the soldiers obey orders from them, not shoot at them.

>>32608837
Pretty much. As long as they're not enslaving me to fight overseas, I don't have a large enough stake in it to devote a lot of time to arguing about it. If they do that hopefully there will be a cyberwarfare unit I can join.

Fat angry civie detected. No one cares that some bottom-ivy tier bitch doesn't understand that politicans lack more real power then he thinks. That's what they teach in New York I suppose.

>>32608827
>Protip: Not everyone who works in clean rooms is a technician

Indeed, but I have not seen evidence to the contrary, and the fab R&D researchers I know would never have the time to shitpost here while on the job. Also they don't do night shift.

>couldn't cut it in the PhD program
Never tried. I never wanted to enter academia and entering the job market sooner was a financial slam dunk.

>>32608861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-hyL1ahliQ

Because elected officials never get shot by soldiers EVER.

>>32608843
I don't care, we can't stop this beast, it'll keep going and consuming until there's nothing left.

My only solace is that maybe by volunteering we can keep some crazy bullshit like conscription off the table so maybe some little faggot can go on to be a doctor or a philosopher so he talk shit about guys like me or some bullshit in my country, all the other countries be damned.

I don't really care, I can take it.

>>32608837
It'll never end bruv

>>32608878
>Indeed, but I have not seen evidence to the contrary, and the fab R&D researchers I know would never have the time to shitpost here while on the job. Also they don't do night shift.

Original post said BETWEEN Bouts. Reading comprehension much?

>>32608862
There is a cyber warfare command, but you make less than you would in the private sector.

>>32608870
>lack more real power then he thinks

I guess you can say shit like "if politicians ordered every US soldier to commit suicide immediately it wouldn't happen" as an example of their lack of "real power", but honestly, does anyone doubt that the US military takes orders from the political class?

>bottom-ivy tier

This cracks me up. I should just blot out the college banner in the future. They gave me a almost-free ride so I went. If I went to Berkeley instead maybe I'll get shit for going to a "shitty state school".

>>32608878
Then you should check those University at Albany researchers working on nanoelectronics and conductive materials like metallic nanoparticles and graphene etc.I guarantee you they have plenty of shitposters of all sorts.

>>32608870
When you don't use the reply feature you are basically screaming into the void.

>>32608892

What kind of maniac calls a workday a "bout". Seriously.