IT'S HAPPENING

>>32599978
Cool. Consider me hype. I haven't followed this at all, what kind of cost are they talking about.

>>32599978
Better chances of release compared to the Pepe Liberator.

>>32599978
It's a 11lb hunk of shit that doesn't resemble the gun it's supposed to mimic. Why does /k/ care about this gun?

Looks shit desu. I get the appeal of repros, but when you make that amount of changes its basically a new gun with zero historical significance. Id rather just get an authentic repro and pay the premium for 7.92, but I guess if this has enough pledges that its still going ahead then I'm in the minority.

>>32600007
same reason FAiLs are popular

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>>32599978

not close enough to use for reenacting/living history
no interest whatsoever
I'd rather have GSG's .22 LR replica, that at least looks like one

instead of making a shit copy that doesn't even look right, someone should focus on importing Sport System Dittrich's guns
http://www.ssd-weapon.com/

>>32600007
>Why does /k/ care about this gun?
we don't. but the guy who is behind designing this abomination resides here, and wants to freely promote his ashit product.

To OP: Did you make it in 7.62x39 like I recommended, ya cunt?

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>>32600027
>Id rather just get an authentic repro
>>32600007
>It's a 11lb hunk of shit that doesn't resemble the gun it's supposed to mimic
Doing an authentic repro would get you in trouble with the ATF, and be MUCH more expensive due to the mechanical complexity of the STG 44. Besides, if it doesn't look close enough, they are making some repro STG 44 parts for people who want to make kit guns.

IIRC, you can put original STG 44 trigger packs on it with some Kajiggering, and other parts are designed to be swappable with originals, like Fore-ends, buttstocks, bolts, etc.

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>>32600551
Lol, you mean like that time PTR imported 400 of SSD's STG-44 repros and only like 100 of them barely worked. It was a colossal failure with abso-fucking-lutely no aftermarket support, so if it broke, you were pretty much stuck with a $5000 paperweight.

>>32600000

>>32600722
yeah, that's what I'm talking about
only instead of botching it and only doing a limited run, do it long term

if I remember correctly, it wasn't just an import, PTR made a lot of the parts and not SSD
I can only assume that some info was lost in translation

>>32600689
>>32600722
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyD9hrqK84
Ian confirms: the SSD imports cost $3500-$5000
The HMG version should stay at $1700 MSRP

>>32600689
>Doing an authentic repro would get you in trouble with the ATF

why

>>32600786
that's in line with other repros of WWII guns that are on the market
BAR and FG-42 cost about that and there are plenty (relatively) of people who would pay that

I'd much rather pay $5k for something that looks right than $1700 for something shaped similarly to an StG44

>>32600823
because he thinks people are complaining that the bolt and trigger pack are different, rather than it looking nothing like a real one

>>32600551
So you would rather have a cheap, but pretty shell, than an actual rifle. The Germans would be proud.

Also isn't the .22 just a 10/22 in a cheap body? That sound really Hippocratacal.

>>32600854
>So you would rather have a cheap, but pretty shell, than an actual rifle.

We can buy actual rifles. When people make reproductions we want the closest thing to the real mccoy, and so far these guys have said they've changed a bunch of the original because they can't figure out how to make the original designs work.

If they had real engineers they could get over these issues. Not even the guts of the HMG rifle are a full match to the original rifle.

As soon as they said "oh with this design we can do a SBR configuration, or a DMR configuration" I immediately knew these people were looking to sell to idiots, not history buffs.

>>32600854
yes
because this doesn't look even close to an StG

I already have an AKM for a semi-auto intermediate rifle, and I can still get two AKs, two ARs, or an AK and an AR for the price of this, OR I could get a special snowflake 5.56 rifle for that price

the only thing that is interesting about a modern Sturmgewehr would be that it looks like a Sturmgewehr
if it doesn't look like a Sturmgewehr (and this doesn't), then it's just a heavy, awkward, and expensive AR/AK with no aftermarket and shit ergos

>>32600841
Why was the bolt changed? Was it open bolt?

>>32600900
>guts
I don't even give a shit about the guts
it could literally take all AR-15 parts internally if they made the outside look right

>As soon as they said "oh with this design we can do a SBR configuration, or a DMR configuration" I immediately knew these people were looking to sell to idiots, not history buffs.

you hit the nail on the head here
this isn't for reenactors or collectors
this is a bubba rifle made for bubba

>>32600828
except that if you read what >>32600722 said, you should know that the SSG where a fucking failure because the guns were so badly made it put IO to shame

>>32600915
to keep an FA bolt from dropping in

interestingly, the MkB42 (predecessor) was open bolt

>>32600927
>to keep an FA bolt from dropping in
Huh?

Doubt. The ATF doesn't care about M16 bolt carriers in ARs and that's way more feasible to convert.

>>32600900
>we
No you really don't because any other time they tried 1:1 it failed commercially, you salty faggot

>>32600920
It was never meant to be for reactors it collectors. It was meant for people who want a rifle they can shoot. Your turning it into something it is not. If you want to spent that much more money there is parts kits and originals.

Also by definition, it cannot be bubba.

Fyi, I'm a Canadian hoping the RCMP will approve it. After the recent fiasco, I'm losing hope though.

>>32600942
>any other time they tried 1:1 it failed commercially

Yeah that tends to happen when you're already aiming at a niche market, and then trying to get that niche to part with several thousand dollars.

ex-Israeli conscript here. In 2012 we were cleaning up in a arms warehouse and came across some 800 StG-44's in storage.

I really wanted to steal one

>>32600950
>It was never meant to be for reactors it collectors.

So what does it offer to people that want a "rifle they can shoot?"

You can only barely modify it, the parts are proprietary, and it's expensive as shit.

>>32600981
It's not even out yet, how do you know there won't be an aftermarket?

>>32600941
some guns can get away with sharing bolts
sometimes the ATF decides they can't

>>32600942
somehow SSD has been making StG clones (and other rifles) for years and years and years
and SSD does it selling only to the much, much smaller Euro market (and doing German impressions over there is much more taboo than here in the US)
just because PTR fucked it up, does't mean it can't be done

>>32600950
>It was never meant to be for reactors it collectors.
that is grossly and clearly apparent to anyone who has more than a passing knowledge of the StG
>It was meant for people who want a rifle they can shoot
buy an AR or an AK (or buy a Type 81/vz. 58 or an XCR for canuckistanis)
>Your turning it into something it is not.
that was HMG actually
>originals
literally tens of thousands of dollars
>parts kits
where?

>>32600966
The temptation would have been too great for me

I'm seeing a lot of posts about it "not even looking like the original"

What the fuck do you nerds mean? it looks pretty god damn similar to me

Can someone post a side by side pic or explain how it looks so different from an stg44? Looks about the same to me. Break it down.

>>32600981
It's a new production stg that you can use? Not everyone can get a AR or even wants one if they could (well maybe an a1 or a2).

Your the kind of person who just goes "get a glock" arnt you?

The real question is why not? If your not interested, it's not you problem. I this you just want to hate stuff.

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>>32601011
>>32601018
The bumps on the magwell and trigger pack are different, which is enough to trigger the eternal autism of /k/.

>>32601002
>sometimes the ATF decides they can't
Yea, I just don't see why in this application they would care.

>>32601011
>>32601018
the trigger group is completely fucked up visually, they used a much less intricate stamping for no reason
the magwell is way too long and it's readily apparent
those are just the two biggest flaws that I can see and I don't even reenact German

>>32601019
I'm not that guy, but I'm all for weird guns
personally, I've still got my fingers crossed for the MSBS bullpup and don't ever intend to have an AR except 'Nam replicas for 'Nam reenacting

but the only, only, only point of this is historicity
it isn't some innovative new rifle with a cool gimmick
it's gimmick is that it looks like an StG and it fucks that up

>>32601019
>$1700 for something that "looks" like the original.
>Or sub $1000 for a AR/AK that has an ungodly good after market.

Easy choice for me. Just another too expensive snowflake gun.

>>32601059
neither do I, it's the ATF

>>32601002
Type 81 still ain't here. Also look up what th RCMP just did. I don't really have hope anymore.
https://canadianfirearmsblog.ca/cz858-spartan-declared-prohibited/

>>32601019
>It's a new production stg that you can use?

It's not a new stg though, it's a new rifle shaped like an stg that satisfies neither history nerds nor bubbas trying to find a new shooter.

I wasn't going to hate on it until people started defending these poor design and marketing choices.

>>32601075
shitsux my frozen friend
whenever I think the ATF is bad, I remember you guys suffer under those redcoat assholes

>>32601179
It could be worse for us, could be the FBI.

>>32600956
It's 2000 compared to the 5000ish the last repro sold for, it you're going to be upset buy that or buy a full auto

>>32601002
It's an autist with a team of other autists you can personally not like it and think it's stupid but there's obviously enough intrest to keep it going, not everyone thinks exactly like you do, m8.

If it comes in 7.62x39 and is classified non-restricted by RCMP then it could make a fun range toy.

>>32599978
I'm excited!

I like the idea of upgrading the STG-44; buying an original is essentially buying a very delicate gun with numerous and painful flaws in it. This gun "says" it removes those flaws, while letting you buy it in a cartridge that exists, while also being cheaper than most repro's/good-quality semi auto rifles in general

Call me a shill if you want, but I'm even a nogunz, and I am seriously considering making this my first rifle (as soon as I can move out of my state)

>>32601909
except it looks only superficially like an StG
>ammo that actually exist
7,92x33 is $0.75 a round

>>32599978
V A P O R W A R E

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>>32602018
It comes in 4 calibers, including 5.56 and .300 memeout

>>32602018
Only purchaseable online, Plus shipping costs from a single factory that makes and imports it in 1-2 batches a year. Once thi's thing hits shelves kurz supply is going to go down the toilet for months. Just enough is coming in for people who actually shoot their preban stg's.

>>32602055
why?
7.92 isn't unobtanium
it's made in quantity by PPU at a decent price
5.56, .300 BLK, and 39 are unnecessary and are a part of why it looks so bad
they had to stretch the magwell to accommodate the other calibers
also added cost to the gun and lengthened the amount of time before release

>>32602079
>only purchasable online
it's a historical piece (or it should be), some inconvenience in finding ammo should be expected

>>32601550
It does come in 7.62x39, but we'll have to wait for the RCMP to make some judgment on it

>>32602104
>7.92 isn't unobtanium
see >>32602079

This is a rifle geared further to the normie side. I can walk into any sporting goods store/walmart/etc. and get some 5.56 or 7.62x39. Good luck finding a big-box store that carries 8mm kurz

>>32602104
>it looks so bad
The differences between the STG-44 and the STG-N are so minute, I cannot actually discern how you think the STG-N is ugly, while the STG-44 is significantly better. Do you think the STG-44 itself is an aesthetically unpleasing gun in the first place?

>>32602140
the stampings on the trigger pack are completely different
the stamping on the magwell is a bit different
the gas tube is different
and the magwell is stretched to accommodate retarded calibers

the StG-44 IS and ugly gun, and the STG-N is equally ugly
the problem is the STG-N only bears a superficial resemblance to the StG-44

>>32602171
>only bears a superficial resemblance to the StG-44
But it uses the same Gas-operated tilting bolt operating system.

>>32602190
they sure spent a lot of time making it work like an MKb42 that they coouldn't get the external appearance the same

it's not even an StG44 internally
it's a bastardized StG-44 mixed with an MKb42 and a G3

>>32602171
If you think it's ugly what difference does it make regarding the aesthetics you said are ruined?

Also I kind of agree, the main thing is the ugly stock, the fact the couldn't spend an extra 2 bucks a stock on stain and finish rub me the wrong way

>>32602446
because the only reason I'm interested in an StG is for it being a historical replica

>>32599978
I like it. I'll Probably get one if it's reasonable

>>32599978
Ejection looks really fucking weak.

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>>32599978
>hey, we made rifle that looks like airshit!
>want piece of history?

>>32602138
normies will never buy this fucking thing over an ar15 that's 1/2 the weight and 1/4 the cost. the autistic hipster crowd is already served by the Ak which begs the question "who is this thing even for?"

>>32602690
>the autistic hipster crowd is already served by the Ak
I resent that.

>>32602690
Wheraboos...

>>32602690
>autistic hipster crowd
>Buying THE most popular rifle on the planet

>>32599978
>falling for the we'd buy it if only it twas in X caliber and took Y magazine meme
>investing money without realizing those people only say that because they are heavily invested in guns they are happy with
>your product is inferior because it clings to some WW2 relic that most people don't know existed
>it isn't even a good enough clone of that to get wehrboos to buy it
KEK!

>>32602690
I said
>further to

It's more normie-friendly than a 1:1 STG replica (cost and more common caliber options), but it's nowhere near a normie-tier rifle in terms of price and commonality of parts.

>>32599996
Around $1700 msrp

>all these people shitting on the thing
The only thing you should be shitting on is that fact that it's like eight months late and counting. It looks 80% the same.

>>32602857
Its probably one or two guys. Also
>>32602690 Aks for hipsters?
Its an ar fag. dismiss. When they get replaced I will drink their tears.

>>32601018
They also changed the magazine release so that it would be similar to an AR.

>>32602857
They said in the video that they ran into a lot of development problems, mainly dealing with incomplete blueprints and having to develop a rifle that will play nice with 4 different calibers

>>32600027

I don't give a shit that it's not authentic. I just wish the side of the reciever looked the fucking same.

I think it looks awesome with stanags but those flat stampings are fucking weird and pointless. Even if it would all be nonfunctional gubbinz it would still look better with the original shapes.

I'll probably buy one if they're not shit though.

>>32599978
That disgusting fatty being in charge of this makes me not want it.

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>>32600027
I cancelled my preorder and got the money back last month. Want to buy my kurz stash?

>>32602171
>the stamping on the magwell is a bit different

hahaha

>>32603695
Well yeah, no shit

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>>32599978

What's the point of this?

If you want a .223 shooter you can get an AR for $600.

I rather spend the money and get a proper, replica like the SSD.

>>32603969

>bloo bloo poorfag argument
>bloo bloo what about the more expensive gun that doesn't work

It's cool and will give me mad (you)'s, and I'm one of those scary "wehraboo" boogeymen /k/ loves whining about.

If it functions well and isn't a disaster on launch (if that ever happens) I'm definitely down. Probably in .300 memeout.

>>32603969
The point is that it's for people who want something 'like the real thing' but can't afford to spend thousands of bucks on it you fucking idiot. It isn't hard to understand.
Call it stupid or too niche or whatever you like, but that's the fucking purpose of it.

>>32604009
Holy shit. You are really retarded enough to get a gun, which is much more expensive than something more practical and reliable, in order to prove you are not poor and get validation from strangers on the internet?

Sounds like Tyrone getting rims and a 2k belt tbph.

>>32604037
Yeah I know, how dare these people do fun things, right?!

>>32600925

Ian seems to rate it highly and the Canadians have had them for years and the reviews are good.

PTR is just PTR.

>>32604009

But the HMG product WOULD be the poorfag version.

SSD costs around $3-4k, but at least it's well researched and made from original blue prints and using the same techniques. No CNC fuckery.

>>32604011
>The point is that it's for people who want something 'like the real thing' but can't afford to spend thousands of bucks on it you fucking idiot. It isn't hard to understand.

But you can get an airshit for even less and then there's that .22 caliber action in a STG shell, that most poorfags would settle for.

This gun has no market.

>>32604119
dumb argument

>>32604054
Forgive if I don't see what is fun about seeking fleeting validation from strangers. Guess it means I am not the type of bitch whose self esteem relies entirely on the opinion of others.

DON'T TRY TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT

>>32599978
The original was a fucking piece of shit.

Did they fix all the original's issues?

>>32604162
dude ARs and glocks lmao

>>32603801
How much for cents per round?

>>32604037

I already have two ARs and an AK, I want something exciting that looks cool. Suck my dick.

>>32604109

You'd be right if the PTR44 wasn't a hunk of shit that about five out of 400 people have gone through extensive aftermarket efforts to get working correctly. So the HMG gun is the economical middleground.

The real non-poorfag option is getting a full retard STG44.

Plus I think the HMG gun looks great with 20 round magazines.

>>32604148

It's a joke, chaim. I want it for myself. What's so hard to understand?

>>32604198

It really wasn't. I'm guessing you think the mosin-nagant is some pinnacle of small arms achievement, though.

It doesn't matter, the HMG STG is internally completely different. Somewhat of a frankengun at best.

>>32604227
>I already have two ARs and an AK, I want something exciting that looks cool

That is not what I was taking exception to. It was the fact that the enjoyment seemed to tied up in getting yous and proving you aren't a poorfag

>Suck my dick
Not finding bigger better men to ream your boipucci.

Hey, if it is what you need to get a decent guy go for it.

I still think you are pathetic as shit though.

>Haha I was only pretending

Which you just seem to love doubling down on.

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>>32604148
On the contrary, you seem like the insecure one here.

Bunch of assblasted poorfags in this thread.

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>>32600689
The problem is he changed the whole aesthetic of the details of the gun that make it attractive to autists who want it in the first place. The new lower is TOTALLY wrong - all he had to do was a little stamping work. I kind of hate the way his version changed everything. I made this hastily and it's shit - it's to get my point across

>>32604359
Looks good enough to me.

>>32604322
>no u

Whatever helps yo deal with crippling self-doubt I suppose.

>>32602792
Compared to what for other reproductions? Compared to what for a genuine one?

This is for the same crowd that buys MAGA hats unironicaly.

>>32604378
>paying $1800 for that

At least the germans took pride in their work, even so late into a losing war. Why switch sides with the mag release? It's a whole different manual of arms anyway. The whole thing is all wrong. I know he's gone through a lot of effort, but why cut corners after so much work?

>>32604359

I agree, only thing that actually puts me off.

Watch the faggots release a mk2 or something in two years with everything fixed for the same price.

>>32604393

You're talking to someone else.

>>32604406

Dude PSA ARs lmao.

>>32604410
It's a functional fun gun. Not an autist's dream. Quit whining.

>>32604425
It quite literally exists only for the aesthetic and he fucked it up.

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>WHY WOULD YOU GET AN AUG/F2000/HK33/AK IN 5.56 WHEN YOU CAN JUST GET AN AR-15 LMAO
no timmy, you are the cancer of the firearms culture.

>>32604410
>why cut corners after so much work?
this sums up my thoughts pretty well. i wouldnt call it "half assed", but this attempt seems lazy, even though it was probably a large and expensive endeavor.
in the end, what we're stuck with is something that doesnt look like the original, and thats pretty much the only thing they had to do.

>>32604433
He fucking nailed the aesthetic but apparently you're too autistic to see it.

>>32604378
This.

I do see some minor differences, but all things considered it's close enough.

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>>32604458
no, he didn't

>>32604500
I said aesthetic, not little autistic details.

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>all this triggering over a fucking rifle
>the autistic repro fag
>the butthurt "anti-wehraboo" crowd
>the "just buy one AR-15 like me" newfaggots
Glad to know which rifle triggers /k/ the most now.

I'm going to buy one of these just to so I can dump pictures and shitpost about it.

>>32604510

That's not autistic details, it's a huge amount of real estate on the side of the receiver and very visible. I think it really detracts from the stamped industrial aesthetic. I'd agree if it was just one rib or screw or something.

I'll still buy one probably, I'd just enjoy it a lot more with the proper look.

>>32601002
>just because PTR fucked it up, does't mean it can't be done

How did PTR fuck it up? I thought all they did was import the gun made by SSD? Or did they have to do some work to it to make it legal here, and thus end up making the gun unreliable?

>>32604542
Yeah those are autistic details, considering the amount of things that are being changed/simplified in the new rifle. Every rib rivet and screw on the original served a purpose, to copy them onto the new rifle would make it just as retarded and gay as those .22lr MP5s.

>>32604403
A ptr-44 will cost $3500 to $5000, according to Ian.
A real MP-44 will cost $20-$50k

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This thread is fucking retarded because its so obvious why it's getting so much hate

Poorfags who couldn't afford to feed it 8mmK begged for it to be in poorfag calibers and 300memeout

Now the poorfags are whining it looks like shit because HMG had to make all kinds of compromises to pander to their poorfag ass

if you don't have $50k lying around and you want a rifle that shoots 8mmk this is the only option

lesson to be learn for Manufacturers
NEVER PANDER TO POORFAGS, let them wallow in their hovels clutching their DPMS and IOinc crying about sour grapes.

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>>32604709

No, I think HMG offering too much shit is entirely their fault, no one else's.

>>32604756
Looks pretty futuristic.

>>32604756
Go write a blog about it

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>>32604119

>>32604709
that would be a viable argument if the gun was selling for $1k. but at $1800, theyve priced themselves out of "poorfag" buyers.
whose fault is that?
>>32604756
this anon knows.

>>32599978
>At Gander Mountain the other day to pick up some other shit
>Walk past fun store area
>See a STG-44
I didn't look much at it so I couldn't tell you any details but was somewhat amazed to see one at a college town outdoor store where I am.

>>32605040
it was .22lr you fucking faggot.

>>32605040
Probably a GSG STG-44/22

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>>32604756
but can it feed drums?

>>32603801
>bought ammo before gun

You deserve to lose your money

I don't see why they cheaped out and didn't recreate the original stampings. I was sure that the original designs they had a year ago were just a mockup and they weren't really that fucking retarded that they would go with it.

I am sad that this is what it looks like. Maybe GSG will start importing their 9mm STG versions

>>32605057
Probably, like I said I didn't stop to look at it much.
>>32605058
I think you're right after looking at google images.

>>32600003

Have faith

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>>32604359
KEK! That looks like complete literal dogshit with a serial number.
>MUH STURMGEWHR
kys

>Check out HMG's M16 repro guys! Just like muh Vietnam!

>>32603801
I'll give you 50 cents/round shipped.

sometimes i dream of a company that makes affordable semi auto reproductions of really desirable rifles. they wouldnt and couldnt be exactly faithful copies but they would be close.
>famas
>svd
>fn fnc
>p08 lugers

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>>32605126
Oh Wow can't wait 2 years for that to come out! Thankfully they have the HMG AK-47 had Mikhail not been forced to compromise

>>32605176
Prepare for autists to scream at you because you used a rivet that was a size larger than the original.

>>32604756
They should've just made it 8mmK and .300BLK.

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>>32605074

About that.

>>32605276

Getting mine in .300BLK. To be honest they should have just dropped 7.62x39, everything else is fine.

>>32605276
>Selling it in two meme rounds instead of one meme round and one normal round

Talk about poor sales. I don't know why they even bothered with .300 memeout. At least with 5.56 you can say it was for cheap, common ammo.

>>32599978
http://www.ssd-weapon.com/bd-44.html
http://www.ssd-weapon.com/waffen-historisch.html

just get the real deal niggers.

>>32605176
>Luger
>affordable

The main issue with the luger is that its design basically required fine machining. SVD reproductions would probably be the simplest simply because we know how they work.

>>32605320
why are people acting like this will hurt sales or profits. if they went to the effort to make all this tooling already, the tooling for a slightly different barrel and some components is going to be small change.

even if that extra work costs a total of 50 grand, thats like, 500 additional guns that need to be sold to cover the cost.

I'm really excited for HMG's new rifle, and think the price is low for what it is. Is there any way I can pay MORE to buy this gun? I would like to give HMG 30% more for the same rifle. I can do this because I have a lots of money from my good job.

>>32601062
>they used a much less intricate stamping for no reason

If you had ever worked with sheet metal, you would not say that.

>>32602626

They're still tweaking spring pressure and gas port size.

>>32602857

I'd rather they delay it three years and do it right than rush out a POS.

This thing looks like a real STG44 the way that a VW Thing looks like a Kubelwagen.

>>32604227
>It really wasn't.
In a way, it was. It served its purpose very well, but objectively, there was much room for improvement, mainly to make it more durable and repairable. I understand that the Germans weren't looking for a rifle that was built to last at that time, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't be fixed.

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>tfw this thread is full of dumb motherfuckers who dont realize that this is meant more as a plinker than a repro and the design changes show that
it's literally a modernized stg44 in almost every sense. stampings are less overly complex, HK trigger pack for MUH MODULARITY, something i know a lot of you fuckheads love, rear sight is removable and can have a rail segment installed so you can put scopes or red dots on it, uses affordable STANAG mags, comes with a 50 rd magazine that's the same general size and shape as the original, bolt and gas system are actually worked on and not something a few engineers who had no idea of previous assault rifle developments/didnt care welded together in a workshop, swappable barrel, bolt, and gas system so it can shoot FOUR different calibers
if you want a fucking 5k piece of shit accurate reproduction with ALL the problems of the original be my guest but realize that this is not meant for you; it's meant for the people who don't get a 10k handout from daddy every month

right, Alex C.?

>>32606239
oh also I forgot:
pistol versions for SBRing
SBR versions if you just dont give a fuck and want it as soon as possible
folding stocks
etc

>>32606239
And even for all that, it still looks close enough to the real deal.

>>32599978
just save yourself the headache and get an AK, and a nazi helmet.

>>32606259
exactly.
THAT is why people are excited
i never really noticed how different it looked until another anon posted a quickly made comparison pic but that actually makes me happier because this gun looks like a 'what if the natzis actually developed the gun further and fixed it's issues' kinda deal

now i await the stg45(m)

>>32604756
Oh my fucking god.

>>32600966
What ended up happening to them?

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>>32604359
/thread

I would totally buy one if it weren't for the total fine detail fuck up. It looks like dog shit.

As much as I love the STG 44, if it had continued development it would just be a HK33.

There is a reason the STG45 exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK33

IMO they should've done a true blue facsimile that's as accurate as legally possible first, then made the current rifle with improvements and shit after the fact. Perhaps the former is more costly, I have no clue, but it was a last ditch weapon made for war time production, I have to imagine the cost wouldn't be $3,000+ or some other retarded number. Hell, as I understand it the StG45 is even cheaper, I'd like to see them take a crack at that one.

>>32599978
I'm a fatty, and I hate being a judgemental asshole, but that's dude's bodyshape is disgusting.

>>32603969
what's the point of any other rifle that's not an AR

what's the point of any pistol that's not a glock

what's the point of any car that's not a camry

>>32602857
>80% the same
why bother making a replica if you're not gonna get it looking 95%+ correct

>>32606618
It's not supposed to be a replica

>>32604551
yeah
a normal semi-StG is not in a "sporting configuration", so PTR would have had to do 922r bullshit at a minimum

other possibility, and I have nothing to back this up, but German and other Euro laws can play a bit fast and loose with FA easy convertability
ex, it's legal to use a real M16 lower for an AR build in Germany
they might have had to do some other work to deal with that

Nice. The 22lr version is 500US dollars here in Ontario. Only version I've ever seen for sale here, too.

>>32605207
>rivet a size larger
they fucked the whole lower

>>32606259
>close enough
it looks WAY off
not acceptable for reenacting for sure

>>32606239
>plinker
then a GSG StG looks more real and is cheaper, or an AR/AK us cheaper

>>32606671
then what's the point?

>>32606719
They were expensive and fragile that is it.
They were considered sporting for import and had almost zero parts compatability with the originals.

>>32606786
The STG44 was not a perfect rifle. This is an attempt to continue its development and modernize it.

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>>32600007
everytime this gun gets posted on here the pleb edgelords always sperg out with this type of autism.

>tilting bolt
>Long stroke gas piston
>sheet metal stampings
>lower with identical dimensions as the real one
>can use most real parts interchangeably including stocks, sights, dust covers, stacking swivels, hand guards safety selector switch, entire fucking lower housing
>doesn't look like a STG

Funny because it fucking Looks like one to me
>HUUUR Not

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>>32605369
>PTR / SSD STG
A limited run 5K gun that if when worked with one special mag would shear in half a BCG after 100 rnds and you were left to track down a 70+ year old 3K parts kit for a BCG that would hopefully need little work to match your gun's headspace... yup where do I get in line!!

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Soon he will be added to the Pantheon of great Rifle makers, along there with Kalashnikov, Stoner, and Browning.

> All 400lbs of stamped lard

>>32606831
why?
there are better rifles out there that are cheaper
and it's development has been continued and culminated in the CETME-L (Spanish branch) and the MP5, G3, and other H&K roller locked designs

the ONLY appeal of this is that it looks like an StG-44, but it fails at that because HMG though it'd be a good idea to modify it to work with a bunch of calibers to pander to people who wouldn't ever buy the thing anyway

no reenactor or serious collector (which SHOULD have been the target market for something like this) will buy this
and the people who wanted it in weird calibers wont buy it because the only reason they wanted it in weird calibers was because they are already invested in those calibers with rifles they're already satisfied with

>>32605369
You can't, dipshit. Nobody imports them.
And if they did 922r compliance, each part must be hand-fit to each rifle

>>32606949
>why?
Cuz fuck you that's why. It looks close enough and I want a shootable cyberpunk STG. Also the G3 family uses a slightly different operating system.

>>32600900
>If they had real engineers they could get over these issues.
no they couldnt because the blueprints they have dont include tolerances or materials used

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>TFW I preorder mine dec 2015
>TFW I got some replacement repro and original parts ready to go

SOON

Weren't these supposed to come out last summer?

>>32607072
They had reliability issues and had to get them worked out before they could send them out

Are you guys going to shit yourselves over the NEA-102 not being an exact semi-auto replica of the original AR-10?

>>32607022
>>32607044
Checked
I too await destiny

>>32607719
Wut

>>32609188
canuck AR-10 that is purposefully different from an AR-10 specifically to get around canuck laws against ARs

it's a retarded comparison

>>32609188

North Eastern Arms is making a rifle that is basically a modernized version of the original AR-10 instead of the upscaled AR-15's we commonly call AR-10's today (The correct nomenclature would be AR-10B).

According to Canadian law, AR-15's and all variants thereof are "restricted" by name (They require the same license as handguns do and can only be fired at the range, no hunting). AR-10B's are AR-15 derivatives, so they're also restricted. The original AR-10 predates the AR-15 so it's not a derivative of it and therefore SHOULD be "non restricted" (no registration, can shoot innawoods, etc).

AR-10 --->NEA-102
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v
AR-15 --->AR-10B

I don't get why so many people have so much trouble understanding this gun. It's a fucking range toy. Plenty of people buy pointless guns as range toys.

>>32600823
>>32600841
>>32600900
Watch the video in the OP, the dude explains a number of areas where they had to change stuff because ATF thought it would be too easy to convert to auto. A bunch of those areas lead in turn to changes in other parts of the internal mechanism.

>>32606443
>>32606949
If anything the StG.44's descendants are the FAL and SKS.

The StG.45 and its CETME/G3 descendants were separate parallel development by a different team at a different company. The only thing the 44 and 45 share is the cartridge.

>>32609321
>plenty of people buy pointless guns as range toys
as long as we're admitting it's useless and not pretending it's anything other than a rough approximation of a proper Nazi piece

>number of areas where they had to change stuff because ATF thought it would be too easy to convert to auto
this part is fine, it's the glaring external differences that bother me

>>32609321
>SKS

Just a scaled-down PTRS-41.

>>32599978
https://youtu.be/SSz6dl94t1I

https://youtu.be/0e26eeLHwo0

https://youtu.be/oR3Jz_bcai8

Ian and his buddy go over the HMG STG 44 in great detail.

Its just a modernize reproduction that you can actually use at the range. The original stg was never made to last, it was after all a weapon produced by desperate Germans - who were getting their shit bombed - to stem the tide.

The original trigger pack being one of the most egregious examples of kraut space magic. They opted for more readily available HK trigger packs cause you could actually get aftermarket support for that shit.

Also I'm pretty sure the original trigger packs for the STG44 were riveted on one end. Good luck with that shit. There are also other problems with the original design with regards of how dependant the gun was on the magazine to feed properly.

>>32606871
>long stroke
Fucking moron kys.
>identical dimensioned lower
except it isn't and looks like shit
>entire lower housing
no you can't, anyone who's familiar with the HK trigger housing and pack could tell you that

Dipshit

>>32605981
Just buy a second one in a different caliber.

>>32609452
>it was after all a weapon produced by desperate Germans

This. The ones that actually made it back into the US and survived NFA purges always need lots of expert gunsmithing to function properly without beating itself to death.

Even the modern repros out of Germany that PTR imprted had serious problems, issues so bad that they gad to cancel the entire line. Do a simple search on people trying to enjoy their PTR44 online, they look great but barely function.

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>>32610513
What of the fucking shell is the same dimensions as the original, and fits into the upper don't you understand?

Remove the trigger guts and drop in a modded HK trigger pack and the gun still works
>but the crimp lines are different!

ok, I revert you to the above
>Remove the trigger guts and drop in a modded HK trigger pack and the gun still works
Retards man

>But no you can't, anyone who's familiar with the HK trigger housing and pack could tell you that
Then how the fuck did they get the gun in the video firing?

>Implying that the STG does't use a long stroke gas piston system
How the fuck do you think the gun works?
seriously... do the gene pool a favor and drink bleach

>>32609452
Internals are the last bloody problem that people are having with this gun.

It's externals are changed for no good reason except perhaps to keep costs down (on fucking stamping?) and there are way too many variants being made for all these calibers. If you want it to work with a common modern caliber then 5.56 + 7.62x39 + 7.92mmK are the only three you really need to design it around; all the rest can come later in a different, bigger iteration if you actually sell enough of the gun in the first place.

This fat fuck bit off way too much but maybe he's just used to that kind of thing.

>>32606772
>GSG StG
Sorry kid, some people like to shoot with things other than .22lr.

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>>32606772
>GSG STG
Why is even an comparison? yeah a die cast molded, plastic / white metal internals, blowback .22lr does not even compare to the HMG gun... this is like comparing a power wheels jeep to a real jeep.

The GSG turd is nothing more than a small step above an airshit pretend gun.

>>32610645
Fucking THIS

>>32606772
>doesn't look close enough
I guess the 5K+ rifles that have been sold to mainly reenactors disagree with you on that one buddy

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>>32607044
Mind sharing where you got that buttstock?
All the ones I've found have either ridiculous shapes the the very back (pic related...wtf is this supposed to be), or are completely flat, and look nothing like the real thing. Yours seems to have the appropriate curve.

>>32609312
>>32609311
ty

>>32610754
I got mine from GB, http://www.gunbroker.com/item/612788826 ,

Guy's located in Europe and makes a bunch of socks and parts. and yeah I know what you mean about tracking down a good repro stock.

>>32600027
>desu
Trash

>>32610787
Thanks. Looks like I'm going to have to make a GB account.

>>32609341
>it's the glaring external differences that bother me
The only thing bothering you is your rampant autism.

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>>32605126
>mfw I'm seriously pondering getting one them 30-06 ARs and getting M16A1 furniture on it somehow.
>then the period correct mattel sticker
A-and a-a, ahhhhh ohhhhh! B-b-Binary trigger system for let er rip mode
>just like the original, toy

>>32611136
Incase it isn't clear, 30RD 30-06 magazines are more inline with >>32605126's pic.

>>32610843
He's also got a website, www.stg44.eu

Reality check;
Is the PTR actually confirmed with a release date or is it still "it might make it in, maybe, eventually"-status as it has been for years?

>>32611326
The PTR was released years ago and it is not reliable at all and it cost around $4000.

>>32611397
Yeah but what about that new import people are talking about ITT that isn't the cheap range toy simulacrum

>>32610687
the PTR44/SSD BD-44 looks good enough for reenacting
the HMG StG-N looks way off

>>32611461
there isn't an import unless you live in Canada
the SSD BD-44 was never imported
they partnered with PTR to make the PTR44, which flopped
I suspect it was PTR fuckup on import compliance since SSD has been making BD-44s for years and still offers them (among other replicas of rare guns)
but I don't have anything to prove that

in any case, if HMG unfucked the trigger pack to look right and unfucked the magwell to take original/repop mags instead of STANAG (whywhywhywhywhy), then it'd be fine

nobody here /really/ cares about the internals being different to make the damn thing run, but HMG barely put any effort into making it look right
and the caliber conversion bullshit is just that, bullshit
never should have done it, should have just made it run on 8mm Kurz instead of pandering to the lower denominators in the gun community
if he took all the time he wasted making caliber conversions and SBR/pistol variants and put it towards making the gun look right, maybe we'd have something other than the stinking turd we have now

>>32611503
To be honest, if the production examples were as clean and deeply blued as depicted in the OP image, I might not even mind. That doesn't look half bad, though still inaccurate.

I have less patience for the examples posted afterwards.

>>32611512
that's not a gun, that's an Inventor/Solidworks render, which is why it looks so clean

>>32611521
Well poo. My biggest gripe is that it looks like it has really poor, thin bluing, and then the endcap stock bracket looks goddamn parkerized.

>>32604217
>>32605155
.69 cpr for all. Think 300. Don't pay anyone that doesn't post a timestamp from an email...just a fyi
>>32605081
Getting ready for a gun you paid for a year ago makes you wrong...gotcha

>>32599978
I wonder if it'll become available in Canada.

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>>32611503

>>32600032
You stop saying shit about my raifu

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>>32604756
Not going to lie that UF version looks fly as fuck

>>32611781
Yeah but it still looks like it's fucking parkerized.

In a perfect world you'd buy that UF assembly off someone who bought the whole gun but got sick of the folder and stick it on the back of an SSD.

>>32611470
>reenacting

You keep using that word, honestly if they threw it in a Hollywood movie only experts and people who are highly ingormed would be able to tell the difference between this repro and an original. This is a gun that was made to shoot and enjoy, not to collect. Go ask SMG guns to do that for you if you really want a clone, flaws and all.

>>32607044
That is what I would like to do. I want all the original parts and paraphernalia for it that are possible. Hopefully a aftermarket develops.

I'm also wondering how accurate/reliable it is. 300 memeout is the obviously superior cartridge of course.

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So how much more expensive are kits going to become? Is it bad if I want to destroy the rivets to use an original lower?

>>32611797
The gun's finish has changed since the gen 1 previews, they look more like the cad version pic now, https://www.instagram.com/p/BOqQmJgjs-P/?taken-by=hmgunworks

>SSD STG
In a perfect world this would be reliable and not break after 100rnds... also 8mm kurtz could be had for .$30 / rnd

>>32611966
The two areas that I'm swapping out was the furniture, theirs do suck pretty bad... I will say that... and the dust cover as theirs is pretty meh.

For the chambering I went for 7.62X39 for mine

>>32612153
and who knows with a little luck perhaps someone will make a new lower with better side plate detailing that drops enhancing the look

They did kick around an idea that when the guns start shipping and production is caught up they were going to look into making metal mags

Is it really so hard to just make the external stampings match the appearance of the original?

The only part that looks like it has to stay fucked is the handguard.

>>32612153
>7.62X39 for mine
why?

>>32599978
Kind of looks like the STG 46 from that Wolfenstein reboot.

>>32612224
mostly cheap abundant ammo, and 7.62X39 was basically the same idea as 8mm kurtz

>standard rifle rnd cut in half to produce a intermediate cartridge
>developed at around the same time

basically kissing cousins so for me It works

>>32612272
funny thing was that 7.62X39 was the offering that has sold the most... probably for the same reasons I mentioned above

>Based Ian also came to the same conclusion

>>32606356
It's obvious. He didn't steal one. He liberated 800.

>>32600996
Why didn't you make the externals closer to how the original looked.

I don't understand. The only reason possible is because it was cheaper.

That's why I'm not going to get one, nigger. I hope you succeed though because maybe you'll get another chance and won't fuck up so badly.

Probably needed to delete the ridges to get the hk trigger pack to slip in.

>>32612331
This was explained in the ian vids. This was done to appease ATF, also this allows for different end caps, and the HK trigger pack... that why they went with the MK42B style bolt carrier.

>But SSD
They had a upper that would not take a FA lower so you can't fun convert, while this one uses the same spec lower just with HK trigger pack

>>32612116
OK, that looks way the fuck better. Almost excusable.

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>>32612116
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BOqQmJgjs-P/?taken-by=hmgunworks

>Dat sound when chambered.