explain to me /k/'s fascination with 1st SFOD-D

I don't have one

>>32599685
bitch ass faggot pussy fucker

>>32599722
>>32599711
Nice digits

>>32599685
Who?
Never heard of them

On par with SEALs, but less widely known (only been in one major movie and normies hear "delta force" and assume its two less than Seal team six or something). Its the hipster mentality.

>>32599750
pretty sure /k/ isn't infatuated with seals. if anything its slightly on the opposite side of spectrum

>>32599750
wtf seals are trash l0l fucking meme forces
what are you fucking 10 and retarded?

>>32599750
Seals are roughly equivalent to rangers. I'm sure I'll get a lot of favor for saying that. Sfod-d is roughly equivalent to devgru. They're the premier counter terror and direct action units within their respective branches.

>>32600063
Delta takes people from all branches.
The army just happens to be the parent branch and supplier

>>32599685
Dont ask me pal, I know fuck all about guns or the military

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>>32601921
>>32601932
>your battle brothas aren't your family

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>>32601932

>>32599750
I would disagree. This isn't to say that SEALs and DEVGRU are by anyway a cockflock gang of dipshits, they're highly talented and well trained professionals in what they do. But I would argue that SFOD-D is a slight step above for 2 reasons
1)The sheer scope of their missions that requires absolute secrecy about pretty much everything
2)Majority of Delta guys have an infantry background.

1 kind of goes without saying, we really never hear anything at all about shit that SFOD-D does aside form Black Hawk Down, that book about Fallujah and the prison raid.

However 2 is something that seems to be universally understood but never really discussed when people talk about the differences between all the SO and SF units. When shit hits the fan and it's no longer a close quarters small engagement, SEALs are not as useful as Rangers or SFOD-D because SEALs don't come from the Infantry. They can't necessarily drop their training and mindset to adapt to this new engagement style. Whereas Rangers, MARSOC, SFOD-D etc. can because they most, if not all, come out of an Infantry unity.

>>32602022
My brother said when he was in Afghanistan they had Delta guys pass through their camp and go into the mountains and for a few days they saw lights in the distance and a few gun ships got called up there

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>>32600462
>>32601801
>You will never operate with the dad from Honey, I Shrunk The Kids

>>32601921
>not Alpha Force.png

>>32601921
>>32601932
>your job will never pay you and some 10/10 trim to practice close quarters rear entry breaching in the workplace

Feels so bad.

>>32599750
>I sit in my mothers basement, but trust me I know how to rank SF units

>>32599685
Never heard of them

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It was basically the first real counter terrorist SOF that the US created. It was our first SAS in the sense that its very unconventional in terms of selection, training, and thinking but it works very well. Being that it predates DEVGRU and the fact that it is less known and given less spotlight means its a lot more secretive and therefore a lot more interesting than DEVGRU. I suggest reading up on them because I feel they really are the best at what they do besides of course the SAS. Also their creator Charles Beckwith was pretty fucking /k/

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>>32603378
Blue Light was first*

>>32603447
In terms of being operational maybe, but it only came about once the Army SF heard about Delta. It was rushed into creation and arguably wasn't as good as Delta. Also if you want to be really technical Delta got its origins with Project Delta back in Vietnam.

>>32601966

I feel like this wouldn't be true at all despite it being a joke. He likes hiking and would probably enjoy the natural beauty of a slightly unkempt yard.

>>32602071
I remember seeing an interesting interview with some Hezbi Islami (Taliban-type dudes from Pakistan fighting in Afghanistan) fighters. When asked about the Americans they said they didn't mind fighting Americans, except for the men who only fight at night and the cargo planes with big guns.

>>32603378
I'd say at this point sfod-d surpass the SAS. While their selection courses, training, and quality of candidates are extremely similar, sfod-d simply has more resources.

Also. Those who have the fitness, talent, and mental fortitude to pass devgru or delta selection, but also have the brains to go with it usually get picked up by The Activity.

>>32604340
first the activity no longer exist in the manner to which it was called ISA, all these intel units have been rolled up into JSOC to support Delta.
Delta has shifted from a quick in and out, to a longer term, seeing the issue to completion via the aid of intel.

No way is what the ISA looking for the same as what Delta is. That like saying oh when army rangers are smart, than they go to civil affairs

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>>32599750
Seals are shit. They're literally elite marines.

I mean, by definition.
Marines are amphibious infantry.
Seals are elite amphibious infantry.

Seals barely even do "special" operations.
The operations they get assigned aren't of a special nature.
"Train these guys"
"Go here and kill this terrorist"
"Go to this country and provide direct support for these guys we're publicly supporting."
"If you are captured you will be avowed, your very existence will be admitted, and we'll do everything we can to get you back"
"Potassium Cyanide - stay away from that stuff, it's dangerous"
"You'll be issued uniforms that tie you to the United States, but if you want to make them more distinct with skulls, go ahead."

>>32605100
>by definition

Better check your sources pal, not all Marines go to a demolition school as part of their initial training.

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>>32605241
>elite
Not all 11Bs go to jump school either, do they, bud?
But paratroops are still infantry.

>>32605397
No use arguing with you pal. Apples and oranges. Your comparing a whole branch to a single career field. SEALs aren't infantry.

>>32605429
Jesus Christ, amphibious infantry isn't a concept that's difficult to understand but you're deliberately obfuscating it because of some brainwashing bullshit you've got about marines.
This is why the entire world hates America.

Americans are able to ignore this fact, because Americans have an unparalleled degree of skill in hiding facts they don't want to believe behind a massive barrage of irrelevant information.

>>32599685

teenage violent fantasies that people here grow out of

>>32605429
So SEALs are POGs?

>>32605600
Haha more like FROgs

>>32603491
>>32603447
Blue light wasn't Delta before it was cool, it was a trial unit to 1- prove the concept of Delta and 2- fill the gap the Beckwith wanted to create Delta for

>>32605100
>"Train these guys"
>"Go to this country and provide direct support for these guys we're publicly supporting."

These 2 are typical Special Forces shit. In fact, that was specifically what Special Forces were first created to do.

Why does everyone always create an argument that begins and ends with "Deltas better then seals"?
I have done extensive research on both. And concluded that both actually recruit and train together. Delta and Sas, seals & sbs as well.
So this idea that one branch is superior to the other is wrong.
All teams have a specific mission they train for. And its the Officers at JSOC that do the negotiating for whos getting what mission.
Just the same old argument. Its annoying

>>32606853
The better question is why DEVGRU and Delta Force exist as separate entities at this point.

Delta are jobbers

>>32606911
Im guessing delta is more counter terrorism and devgru is more direct action?

>>32600063
Wow. Someone who is actually well informed.

>>32607013
Explain.

Seriously, I need a crash course on this shit.

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How does one even attempt selection for any of these elite groups?

>>32606911
Because DEVGRU is part of the Navy and Delta the Army. Everyone wants to have their own in-house capability. Same reason MARSOC was created.
It's like saying why doesn't Ford and Chevy both come up with one car instead of a Camaro RS and the super snake? And before you think that the two branches don't compete - they do. There is really nothing in common the branches have other than we kill the same bad guys

>>32607357
I know they compete, but as a taxpayer I'd rather stick my boot up their ass than listen to them explain their pissing contest.

Might as well make SF the sixth branch or something. Or hell, delete the Marine Corps.

>>32606853
>And concluded that both actually recruit and train together.
then your extensive research was stupid, because they recruit primarily from different organizations and cross training is only a small fraction of the overall training in each unit

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>>32606617
Blackwater does both of things.
Are they special forces?

>>32607357
>Same reason MARSOC was created.
And they're shit because marine special forces already exist and they're called seals.

>>32607379
Because if Delta is tasked out and critically manned, you need someone to take up the slack. Or if there's another fiasco like Eagle Claw (not debating why or how, just saying shit happens) then you'll want another completely separate entity with the same capabilities to step in. Or if widespread unethical shit was happening, you can purge the unit while another fills the void temporarily.

Having a central command for this kind of thing wouldn't really work because it's getting too big, it'd be like trying bring the AF back under the Army.

>>32607379
>more branches for every special snowflake
>some alternate hypermilitaristic timeline where every special military sub unit and specialization has its own branch which is heavily funded and has its own clone/genetically made and mind flashed recruits
>an entire branch of millions tier negative zero super leet operators
My rational mind says no, but my mall ninja boner says yes.

>>32607874
We already have a centralized command for these things: it's called the Department of Defense.

Not to piggyback on the other Anon, but why is MARSOC a thing? What's the difference between Rangers and Raiders?

>>32607978
Well, there's SOCOM and JSOC too.

MARSOC is more akin to SF, operate in small teams with diverse support operators and the backbone of the team being the trigger pullers (CSOs) while having battalion level support in all forms, they even have veterinarians. They can pretty much do any mission the Navy or Army can, and they've run JSOTFs as a command element. Only thing they're missing out on is aviation and the snowflake AF stuff.

>>32601801
w2c shirt and pants?

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>>32608136
Macy's/JC Penney/K-Mart

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>>32602078
>You will never operate with the Ned Flanders

>>32599685
>fascination with Delta
>not fascination with Vining

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>>32608406
But what are the brands

>>32600678
those guys have the hair of rock stars.

I guess life in a hard place is easier if you are the rock.

>>32605100
what the fuck is your definition of special then?

Fighting grey aliens in a containment facility they escaped from in Area 51?

OH WAIT THATS STILL JUST DIRECT ACTION ITS NOT SPECIAL

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>>32608434
Fuck if I know, that pic is 15 years old. Probably Dockers pants and Chaps shirt.

>>32607788
MARSOC isnt shit you dolt. You can say they're redundant, but they are efficient with what they are tasked with. Even ODA guys have said this.

>>32607357
Delta is under JSOC and anyone from any branch can be selected. There are seriously Delta Force Marines. A couple of them got medals at the CIA annex in Benghazi, you can look it up if you don't believe me.

>>32600063
>Seals are roughly equivalent to rangers.

Lol

>>32608492
>lights in the distance and gunships are special ops

It's just interesting cause it's "secret".

>>32608539
It's kinda right, at the platoon level at least. Teams of shooters, a medic or two, fire support, commo, and an officer. SEALs just get the better training off the bat; free-fall, dive, SERE, demo etc.

If anything as a whole I'd tip the scales to the 75th for all the organic support elements they have. But on an individual level, an average SEAL would have been through more than the average batt boy.

>>32608581
Im still waiting for your definition of whats "special"

>>32604340
Pretty sure having brains is number 1 necessary skill for Delta.

>>32607298
Go to a seal selection, it's open for everyone literally. If you somehow pass you will be a seal. If you excel at being a seal you might get a chance at selection for Seal Team 6 aka DEVGRU.

For Delta, your best bet is to either pass Special Forces or Ranger selection. Then excel at that for couple of years. Then you MIGHT get a chance at Delta tryouts which consist of a month long land navigation course with a 50 pound backpack every day. If you somehow pass that you need to stand in front of commision who will ask you about your darkest secrets and things that make you uncomfortable. If you keep cool and inpress them then you go to Operators Training Course which is like a year long. If you pass that then you are officially in what constitutes as the most badass combat unit in the world at the moment.

tl;dr it's ridiculously hard.

>>32608524
what the fuck is a delta force marine

>>32608522
>15 years old
More like 27. :^)

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>>32609563
oh shit, your right.

>the 90s felt like they were just yesterday

>>32600413
>
no they dont fag

SAD/SOG does cooler shit anyway.

>>32609604
>No matter where I go, how far I've travled, if there was a plank of wood someone would draw plank on it
Feel good man

>>32599685
Canoeing is for faggots.

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>>32605600
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I aint no POG! I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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>>32599685
>itt: armchair operators that can't even do 5 pull ups or run a mile under 10 minutes give you an uncensored first look window into the operations conducted by the US's most elite SOF units

>>32606911
Budget

>>32611262
>>itt: armchair operators that can't even do 5 pull ups or run a mile under 10 minutes give you an uncensored first look window into the operations conducted by the US's most elite SOF units
huh, sounds strangely like every documentary on mainstream television today......

>>32610307
Yeah they do. The other month one of their Marines received a commendation.

>>32610307

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/16/delta-force-marine-awarded-navy-cross-fight-cia-an/

>>32611421
>>32611428
>Navy Cross

If he were full fledged member of Delta he'd get a DSC and be in the Army. There's a difference between being organic to the unit and being attached. They take all the AF guys out too, but organizationally they're separate.

>>32611719
This. Delta always has Combat Controllers attached to them. But that doesn't make them Delta.

>>32609262
I seriously explained in the post. Do you not have any sort of reading comprehension?

>>32612008
If a marine somehow manages to get chosen for a Delta tryouts/selection, and he makes it, he is a Delta. He is not a fucking marine anymore. You dumb fuck.

>>32611719
>>32611731
Craig Sawyer, former Delta, among other sources says Delta recruits from other branches.

>>32612026
Delta is a JSOC unit. There is no need to go through the monotony of changing that much administrative bullshit, going from branch to branch, just to be a part of an SMU.

>>32612073
He is former Seal Team 1/later DEVGRU, not delta.

>>32612090
TH point is you cannot be a permanent member of two units at the same fucking time.

>>32612099
my bad. But him being part of an SMU I would assume that he knows quite a bit about the only other team in that category. At least enough to know about who actually makes up the teams.

>>32612108
You dont have to be a member of two units. Navy personnel are assigned to both marine and army units. Its not that hard just to give someone orders to a unit. Especially when it concerns JSOC.

>>32612149
Then you are an attached element, not a member of that unit. Is this really that hard to grasp?

You cannot be ordered to become a Delta member. You need to go through the pipeline like anyone else. And Delta is within Army, even if its directly under JSOC.

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>>32612149
That doesn't make them a full fledged member friendo. CCTs and SOWTs attached to ODAs and MSOTs don't become Green Berets and Marines.

>>32612162
>go through selection
>you passed
>heres orders to that unit

SARC goes through BRC. SARCs are a part of another branch, when they pass SOCP and BRC they are assigned to a unit which is in another branch. Its not that foreign of a concept.

>>32612220
>be in AF
>be TACP
>go to ranger school
>get tab
>get assigned to the 75th
>run ops

At the end of the day, that individual is not going to say he was a Ranger, he'll say he worked with them and was qualified, but in the traditional sense he was not a Ranger. If you were in the inner circle that Marine would not say he was Delta.

>>32612165
>SOWTs
Why is there no equivalent for this in other countries?

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>>32612280
No need or budget. If we didn't have such a hard on for and high op tempo with special operations, we wouldn't either. What with all the short notice missions and on the fly nature of these modern wars, they kind of need them attached at the hip and on the ground because weather can ruin an operation. Otherwise for large scale stuff any standard meteorologist can monitor the radar from anywhere around the world.

>>32606617

In the modern vernacular, those two activities are properly "Special Forces" roles while all the other stuff falls under "Special Operations Forces"

http://havokjournal.com/culture/the-difference-between-special-operations-and-special-forces/

>>32609604
>the 90s felt like they were just yesterday

Or you were just caught saying something stupid, because you were born in the early 2000's. :^)