What is the point of the USMC?

>>32590710
Die in Ospreys. Get hand me down equipment. Bitch. Look aesthetic. Domestic violence charges.

>>32590710
Joint asset fighting.

Operating within budgets while doing it.

>>32590710
Accomplish what the Army can for considerably less cost. DoD likes the Marines for a reason.

>>32590710
how the hell do people like this stay in the military?

>>32590756
How do they get in in the first place? What physical tests can this blubber-mountain have conceivably passed?

>>32590710
jerk themselves off over the fact that they're MUHEERNS SEMPER PIE!!! HOOORAH!

Looks like she should change her motto from "semper fi" to "semper fudge".

Aaaand this is why an all-volunteer mercenary army is a bad idea - we get bottom-of-the-barrel unemployable sludge like this. If we ever have to fight an equivalent enemy this is the trash we will have to rely on.

>>32590710

>Thinking it's a hamplanet
>Not knowing the "two-man disguise suit" worn by Delta operators.

>>32590710
What's the point of the Army? No one is invading America and we have the greatest navy in the world.

>>32590710
No way she's a real soldier

>>32591079
>what is the Iraq and Afghanistan war

Marines and army infantry are bit better than each other. Fact.

>>32591108
Two useless wars that only served to maim and kill thousands of US troops and civilians while also costing trillions of dollars.

>>32590710
Raping okinowan locals

>>32591138
>Hide yo men.

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>>32590710
The Muhreens conducted the single largest amphibian invasion in history on 6 JUNE 1944....

Oh, wait, nope, that was the Army. Huh. What the fuck are the Muhreens for again?

>>32590946
Well that's fucking wrong, conscription armies are shit compared to professional contract armies.

>>32591176
Die in the shitty side of the war

>>32590726
>>32590732
>>32590751
All acceptable answers.

>>32590710
>what have they ever done?

Successfully lobbied Congress to pass specific text in the 1947 National Security Act to forever justify their snowflake status.

>>32591138
You're confusing the Navy with the Marines.

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>>32590710
Marines are for dying in jungles

they jump in front of bullets and willingly get brainwashed better than any branch I've ever seen in action. they also can destroy a bar in 25 minutes flat if they're given a day of leave

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>>32591761
>they also can destroy a bar in 25 minutes flat if they're given a day of leave
That can be useful if the US ever wants the invade the British Isles or Germany for some reason.
Kinda like the scorched pub tactic.

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>>32591848
>british isles
usmc aint got shit on those fucking batshit insane royal marines. they'll do the same in 10.
would be a fight worth watching.
speaking of experience here, came across royal marines vs usmc fight during cold response 2012 i think, in tromso.
while we're at it the brit MP guys that kicked both their asses, were the meanest motherfuckers I've seen in my entire life

>>32590710
Maritime ops, have room temp IQs, yell oorah and beat up old lady's in the peace Corp in alleys.

Mostly maritime stuff, same reason boat soldiers have always been different, requires different stuff.

>>32590726
>Die in Ospreys
/thread

>>32591176
>not knowing history or politics
the post

Marines are unnecessary. The best thing in life come in 3's. The marines ruin the holy trinity.

Die very loudly so the army can get shit done.

>>32592213
Guess the Air Force have to go. They're the newest branch and all other 3 have air.

>>32590710
finish the mission.

>>32592213
5s are better than threes when you're using a base 10 counting system.

>>32590965
hehe

>>32590800
In all fairness, this chick got fucked up in combat which made her docile while she recovered causing excess weight gain. It just happens.

I doubt she wasn't in the corps long after this photo was taken.

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>>32592213
>>32592273
Marines as a branch are technically older than the Navy.

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>>32590965

>>32590710
cheaper naval infantry who willingly die like the cannon fodder they are

army wouldn't accept the conditions the marines crave

The Air Force is the special snowflake.
>Nukes.
>Navy doesn't want Army with nukes.
>I know! Army Air Corps becomes its own branch!
Air Force needs to die.

>>32590710
US Marines are infantry shock troops with their own logistics and support chain. In coordination with the Navy, their expeditionary units provide force projection across the globe.

USMC's infantrymen have superior training and/or morale and/or mindset, as they're more prized in post-service security/contractor work than LEOs and non-Marine infantry.

To me, personally, they appeal in a way that they are able to operate independently of Air Force and Army, as such if there ever arises an issue of global treason in AF and Army, Navy + Marines could stand up to them due to their non-reliance on them.

>>32590710
to follow the tracers

>>32592852
yeah but the chair force isn't patently redundant like the jarheads are

There's a game-theoretical approach saying that very large and very poorly controlled bureaucracies can be kept in check by creating a competing one with the same purpose.

>>32592925
>more prized in post-service security/contractor work than LEOs and non-Marine infantry

Lost. The only situation this is true is a dead end security job where the hiring manager is another washed up jarhead.

>>32593226
Who would you hire for your PMC if no SOF staff is applying
>US Marine with awards for combat deployment who participated in actual fighting.
>US Soldier who, at best, defended a sandcastle of a FOB somewhere in the mountains.
>Mid-sized city LEO, non-federal

>>32593273
LEO hands down, I would want someone with civilian experience and not indoctrinated. They have more time behind a desk, writing reports, and traditional security work than the average joe. Wouldn't take much to train them up on other areas.

Also those selections are a bit misleading and show you naivete. You can get a CAR for launching mortars, and plenty of paratroopers with other cool guy training have done nothing but pull security.

>>32591241
True. It takes several years to grow a good technician. I've trained many. Conscription turned into a disaster we should not repeat.

Here's what conscription gets you IRL:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjax7uptbbRAhWJ5yYKHS_PDlkQFggcMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmsuweb.montclair.edu%2F~furrg%2FVietnam%2Fheinl.html&usg=AFQjCNFvuDUUQkoW83mb4d3svHQ6e-Jehw

>>32592852
>>Navy doesn't want Army with nukes.

SSBN are a thing. Just sayin'

>>32592852
>>32593488
and so is nuclear artillery, such as the Pershing I/II

good meatshields

>>32593408

>Not knowing mortars can be shot handheld LOS

>Not knowing this is the typical situation for 60's attached.

>>32590710

Have an infantry that isn't full of undisciplined idiots.

Thrive in awful conditions and circumstances and come out on top.

>>32593697
What about the 120s smart guy? Oh you can get one now for just being near an IED too. Piss off.

>>32593809

120s are hardly used right now. Honestly I don't know but don't believe you get a CAR from using one.

You have to be HIT by an IED to get a CAR.

>>32591176
Hmm that's funny. I don't seem to recall the army handling the bloodiest theater in the war.

>>32593859

Also typically 81's are assigned a secondary job such QRF/Mobile unless something big is going down.

>>32590710
Rape Japanese girls.

>>32593408
And that's why you don't own a PMC. You're literally ready to pay for a LEO to get numerous paid close protection courses and weapon trainings to amount to USMC's boot camp and advanced schools (prohibitively expensive) just because he can write reports (something any NCO or CO can do, in Marine corps as well).

So instead of picking the best option of a Marine NCO with both combat experience and management experience, you decided to went full retard contrarian.

>>32593978
You're retarded, straight from the largest PMC (DynCorp) for a security position in Kandahar:

Knowledge & Skills
Excellent oral and written communication skills
Team-oriented and treats others with dignity and respect
Proficient in Microsoft Office software
Knowledge of DOD Antiterrorism/Force Protection (AT/FP) requirements, interview and investigative techniques, and preparing written reports of security incidents
Biometric role requires general knowledge of network integration and peripheral devices of automated data processing equipment

Experience & Education
Minimum two (2) years of security operations, physical security, and/or AT/FP experience working in a hostile environment, including at least one (1) year conducting formal inquiries regarding loss, criminal acts, or violations
Prefer experience in US military police, Air Force Security Forces, civilian law enforcement, BATS, and/or military intelligence
High School Diploma or equivalent
Prefer Associate’s or Bachelor’s Degree in security-related field such as physical security, security management, criminal justice, AT/FP, business, or political science

In case you missed it
>Prefer experience in US military police, Air Force Security Forces, civilian law enforcement, BATS, and/or military intelligence

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>>32593876
Casualty percentage was higher but across the board the Army lost 9 times as many (not including the Air Corps in that figure) across both theaters. See pic for just the Pacific.

>>32590922
Ha!

>>32590710
The USMC exists soley to trigger OP and to keep tattoo parlors in business.

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I've been brainwashed by propaganda by whole life. I thought Marines were suppose to be the elite warriors better than the army. That's atleast what everyone has told me

>>32594487
Its ok, marines are brainwashed as well.

>>32594036
>Lel lemme pick trash tier parking lot security guard vacancy that'll show him
Your idiocy impresses me, now go and look at some high risk contracts and see requirements there.

>>32594565
Keep moving them goalposts brother, gone are the days of PMCs getting into firefights, they're for bitch details now. Speaking of, y'know Blackwater targets people with LE experience for their executive protection now? They're just that much better at interfacing with the public and routine details. Even the maritime section is waning, shipping companies are just electing to have their sailors weapons trained. Even the Seafarer's union has in-house anti-terrorism training.

Only high-speed work is going to be directly for an agency, a la GRS, and they won't slum with your average grunt. Get fucked guy.

>>32594680
Goalposts? Retard, US Marine qualifies perfectly for the vacancy you listed, since
>Military Police
>Military Intelligence
are MOS that Marine can have AND have combat experience AND/OR be an NCO.

You virtually picked a parking lot security position to try and demonstrate... something? Try again.

>>32594722
Go back to your first post where you stated Marine infantry is prized over LEO and non-Marine (Army) infantry for security/contractor work.

Then I debunked it. Here is another one then, since you want more high speed and risk. Company is Academi, position is 'Protective Security Specialist / Designated Defensive Marksman'.

Job Requirements
U.S. Citizen
Level 3 English proficiency (see Exhibit A)
Valid current U. S. passport
Must meet PSS qualifications
Must have graduated and posses evidence of completion of a sniper/DDM sharpshooter program issued by a military, law enforcement, or security (government or private sector) training program of suitable complexity and quality to adequate prepare the graduate for successful performance as a WPS DDM, (e.g., USMC Scout Sniper, Special Operations Target Interdiction, FBI HRT/SWAT, DSS MSD, State Police Sharpshooter, NYPD Police Sharpshooter, etc.
Must have served in a DDM role for one (1) year
Must provide evidence of a minimum M4qualifications of 95% (285 out of 300) or better on a DS qualification course of fire which must be the most recent qualification
Must be full time law enforcement SWAT Sniper experience(Not SWAT as a collateral duty)
Must be in good physical condition on the DSS physical fitness test per 3 SENPAI 1975.1

>Must be full time law enforcement SWAT Sniper experience(Not SWAT as a collateral duty)

>>32594851
These LEO positions, by default, already require military service in related MOS.

You debunked nothing by posting a security guard vacancy that can be filled by any idiot, with US Military being only one of the sources for required education.

Now you're posting a vacancy that still places USMC scout snipers on the forefront, comparing them to top tier operators like FBI HRT and SOTI.

Look up Scorpion program too to finish your embarrassment. You played yourself.

>>32594930
>These LEO positions, by default, already require military service in related MOS.
There is no correlation. You can be on a local deputy force and get into SWAT and what not without prior service.

>US Military being only one of the sources for required education.
Obviously the opportunities are more ample in the LE world.

Your just ignoring the reality of the situation bud, the environment that these contractors are going to be in is more conducive to a typical LE job than the typical grunt experience. The rules of engagement are much more sensitive.

And about the Scorpion program, did I not say the only high-speed postings left are directly for agencies and not PMCs? Get real guy.

>>32595087
Scorpion is off-sourced to a contracting firm, just like CIA GRS OGA and whatever. CIA doesn't hire people themselves for these things, neither is NSA.

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Why does a Marine need a passport?

>>32595151
You can quit backpedaling, I'm done with you.

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/support-professional/protective-agent.html

>>32591885
See the green berets? These guys aren't just Royal Marines, they're Royal Marine Commandos, the top tier guys.

>>32593978
>Grunt pulling personal security
>Grunt does grunt shit
>Turns his non assault rifle assault rifle and opens up on some sand nigger
>Unarmed Sand nigger's head explodes 12 feet from client
>You never get another private sector contract

>>32595216

Who is that?

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>>32595609
>he doesn't know

>>32595597
>LEO pulling personal security
>Pig doing pig shit
>Turns his glock brand glock and opens up on some nigger
>Umbubu the tribe leader's head explodes
>You never gets another private sector contract (Except when they want you to remove watermelon)

>Navy Seal pulling personal security
>Operator gonn operate
>Whips out his pen and notepad and starts writing all of the day's events into a novel
>FBI explodes over release of state secrets 12 years later
>You get a movie deal and get shot by a veteran on the range.

>>32595633
>Mattis
Oh shit I fucked up

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>>32590710
not having guys give classified info to wikileaks and not deserting fighting positions.

>>32594851
Ive worked with academi on a number of occasions and ive never met one dude that was only ever LE.

>>32595798
What is this picture ?

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>>32590710

Service for free transition.

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USMC supplies the dicks the Air Force needs to suck

Check out any joint environment. You know it to be true.

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>this thread again

Only boots and POGs take the whole Army vs. Marines thing this seriously.

>>32590710
Not post on a vietnamese cooking imageboard about inter-branch rivalries because you have a tiny dick and couldn't make the cut.

>>32592627
Don't try to explain context to people on this site. Remember, these are people who are so insecure that they will cling pathetically to any pretense to feel better about their profound failures.

You see it a lot in /pol/ threads too.

>I may be a fat virgin who lives with my parents, but at least I'm not a nigger
>w-white pride!

>>32590710
marines make do

>>32590710
Is there some old reason why Marines are separate from the Navy and the Army? Do Marines and Army hate each other like the Royal Navy and British Army do (one having a Royalist heritage and the other being formed by Loyalists out of the civil war, hence why they aren't the "Royal Army")?

>>32593923
Wtf I love marines now

>>32596266
>You must be 18 years or older to use this website.
It's Chelsea Manning, the person who exposed what the military was doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. That ring any bells?

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>>32595665
>Whips out his pen and notepad and starts writing all of the day's events into a novel

>>32593876
>the bloodiest theater
>soviets lost 10 million men
>germany lost 4 million men
>america lost about 100k men in the pacific theater between the marines and army
>japan lost 1.7 million
really makes you think

>>32599999
Soviets would have loss less if they didn't use retard human wave meat shield strategies

Germans would have loss less too if Hitler's ego didn't get in the way and forced more germans eastward

>>32592925
>Navy + Marines
i.e. the navy's army

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>>32595665

>>32592627
"combat"

it's about ten thousand times more likely she got hip or ankle problems from ruck marches in boot camp or MCT. Finding a woman who's been in combat is one in a million.

>>32595350
All royal marines are royal marine commandos you fucking mong.

>>32591126
idk, institutional knowledge, prosthetic tech, battlefield medicine, ptsd treatment, and drone tech all jumped quite a bit. international counter terror strengthened too.

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>>32591885

>I do say Charles who are those Yankee ruffians which have taken affection to your wife?
>I do believe they are American Marines Nigel, perhaps we should give them the good 'ol one two licking in our debate box.
>Indeed I will highly inform them on how much I disagree. Tally ho.

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>>32590710

Oh shit that's a SBBW for real. I want to feel those big meaty titties in my hands.

>>32593058
the Army used to own the AF and did ok with it.

they owned rockets too, until the USAF bitched.

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>>32590751
This pretty much, I think the problem with the Marines today is that while our mission (Amphibious Warfare) made sense in the last century, we're kind of obsolete in the modern battlefield.

Today the Army has amphibious capabilities, they've had amphibious capabilities since WWII and got pretty good at it with their amphib ops in Europe and all across the Pacific.

Honestly, if SOF didn't exist and if disbanding the USMC is out of the question, make it go back to what they used to do.

Guard ships, Embassies (which we do already), punitive actions and raider type missions, throughout most of the 1800s and early 1900s that's all the Marine Corps did.

I;m not ragging on the USMC, I'm proud to have been a part of it but you have to admit that we're not being used properly, we've been doing missions that the Army should be doing for the past 10 years.

>>32592925
>US Marines are infantry shock troops
This. I don't get how shitposters, POGS and "I was gonna enlist but..." retards don't understand the benefit of having different types of troops on the ground carrying out different mission types and operating independently. I'm surprised they haven't caught onto their own shitty arguments and just advocated for everyone to go through Ranger school.

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>>32590710

POST THE MOTHERFUCKING NUDES!!!!

>>32600065
The Soviets would have lost many more regardless of the tactics they were using since they were fighting the main part of the German forces from 1941 and onwards.

>>32600451
Well yeah, Navy's Army vs Air Force's Marines.

Who wins?

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>>32590726

>>32590710

shit catcher

>>32596916

She's pretty, the camo isn't.

Why did the US military ever think this monstrosity along with NWU, and ACU was a good idea?

Would've been a lot cheaper and smarter to stay with tricolor for everyone.

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>>32591885
God damn clubs... the scariest shit in the royal arsenal

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>>32590710

>>32609988
This can't be real

>>32609988
Hambo

>>32590710
Fat floats well, she can pull of amphibious landing by herself.

>>32590710
USMC is low iq indoctrinated cannon fodder.
They are usually the first to land meaning they have to be most agressive to take as much ground as possible quicklu and dumb enough to disregard their lives as much as possible to make it happen.

>>32602734
The way Ive5had it described to me is that we are now used to assault and break and enemy, then the army is supposed to come in and occupy the area insuring it stays ours while the marines move on to a new area.

Generally though I agree. However I do believe that MEUs should stay as they provide so much to not just the U.S. everything from hunting pirates, invading countries, to building reliefe stations, and assisting countries after a crisis.

>>32591079
>What's the point of the Army? No one is invading America and we have the greatest navy in the world.

Listen to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UDQDz0dVZc

tl:dl US army are mercenaries for any corporation big enough to buy senators.

>>32591126
>Two useless wars that only served to maim and kill thousands of US troops and civilians while also costing trillions of dollars.
>costing trillions of dollars.

If you think that was a disadvantage then you don't understand the military industrial complex.

Trillions of dollars got spent. Mostly on US companies. Companies who own senators and who have directorships waiting for retiring generals and senators.

The more money splashed around, the more there is for everyone in bed with the people it's spent on.

>>32590710
>What is the point of the USMC?
It's so the NAVY can go up to congress and justify their huge budget so they can blow it all on the next multi-billion dollar cruise missile and aircraft carrier.

>>32592291
So... Space Marines for the fifth?

>>32591176
So you're saying it takes a lot more soldiers to take a beach?

I'd agree with that.

>>32590710
What a qt
who is she?

>>32590946
Lol. Look up Milton Friedman and his arguments against conscription.

Having a draft means the government will just throw soldiers at a problem, knowing they have an almost limitless supply of them. Having to get soldiers to enlist voluntarily forces the military to develop superior tactics and strategies, other than just marching millions to their deaths.

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>>32610862
>So... Space Marines for the fifth?
Spacy clearly.

>>32590710
Not sure if stolen valor

or stolen calories

>>32590710
MURDER DEATH KILL

>>32593876
Europe was the bloodier theather by statistics. also what is >Battle of the Bulge > Battle of Monte Cassino

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>>32590710
bang animals

>>32596939
pretty much. Im a Infantry Nasty Girl. We work with former marines. They tend to be two types people that hated the corp and dont discuss it. and those who are load mouthed assholes about it.