Airguns

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>>32589858
Fun and extremely cheap practice on rimfire spinner targets, kills smaller critters well, can shoot socially without earpro if you have two, good for teaching kids since the gun is 100% safe after firing so no biggie if they turn excitedly etc.
It never hurts to have one.

>>32589911
I will admit viewing your .webm was oddly satisfying. I also enjoy the thought of cheap practice. What exactly do you look for in an airgun, anon?

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>>32589954
>What exactly do you look for in an airgun, anon?
I look for a nice set of iron sights and getting a normal weight pellet to around 900fps, I'm not a big scope guy.
I'm no pellet gun expert by any means, but I love my gamo whisper fusion pro 22cal, really nice irons and launches a full weight pellet about at the speed others keep saying is ideal. I love both my 177 and 22cal gamos, but the 22 is definitely my favorite because it has a lot more power downrange. It's pretty dead accurate too.

Whats best airgun for 100 bucks? Entry level. Nj so no "silencers"

>>32590132
You can't even use them on airguns?

>>32590218
I assume they are classed as firearms there. That's how it was in MI, not sure if it still is. Dumb fucking definitions of a firearm

>>32590132

The prepper I met last year told me that the best airguns you can buy fire about 1200+ FPS. He also told me to watch the shelves and see that, slowly airguns firing over 1000+ FPS were vanishing from shelves in our area because of the "evil NWO government" agenda. I think he's a nut but he was right about them vanishing from shelves in my area. The only 1200+ FPS airgun in my area is Ruger now and even that is getting it's shelf-space taken over by rifles with 800 FPS or under such as Daisy. I'd start looking at Ruger's first based on that but there seem to be a lot of online shops for airguns too.

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/micros/airguns/index.html

http://www.airgundepot.com/

>used to hate on them
>thought they were meme bb guns
>tried one at friends
>"wow these are fucking cool"
>now own 2

>>32590132
If you can cough up a few more dollars, I would suggest the Benjamin Titan with the nitro piston. The .22 is around 950fps, the .177 is around 1200fps. Walmart usually has them for around $100 to $120

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>>32590514
And how would that compare to [see image related]?

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>>32590332
>>32590514
Airguns firing 1200fps are inherently inaccurate.

Stay subsonic with a nice heavy lead pellet. I kill all manner of shit with this .177 doing 780fps. Rabbits no problem out to 50 yards.

>>32589858
>Have any airguns capable of being a practical home defense weapon been manufactured and how much do they cost?
yes big bore airguns exist but they cost way more than an actual gun 800+
>>32590967
would be fine for hunting small game but wouldnt kill a human unless you had really good shotplacement and they were unlucky

Really fun, cheap, and handy for pests. I would get drunk with a buddy and we would see what random shit we could hit in the woods. Only about as loud as a nail gun so no one every bothers to see what it is. I have a hatsan 95 and its been amazing since day 1. Nice trigger, fiber optic irons, and its pretty powerful as well. Hatsan actually undersells their fps i stead of using alloy pellets to bump the numbers up.

>>32590993
>Airguns firing 1200fps are inherently inaccurate.
I know for my 1300fps gun, I go for the heavier 10.5gr crosman domed pellets. It puts it almost right at 900fps on the dot.

>>32591325
That Hatsan95 has( what I find to be ) impressive reviews/ratings on Amazon and a few other places I looked. Tell me a bit( caliber, what you fire from it, etc. ) about shooting yours?

>>32590993
What model is that? Looks nice. Price?

They can get very expensive, upwards of 2 grand. Look up the fx bobcat, shoots a .30 cal pellet at 1000fps.

just got a free crosman pumpmaster 760.

shoots. 117 bbs and pellets.

doesn't look sturdy enough for diesel.

>>32592104
.177 with benjamin hollow points. Personally it was more accurate than i was. Its perfect for plinking or hunting (i took down a couple of squirrels and a possum). I didnt have the space to get long range (for a pellet gun). Make sure to get a good scope because the one that comes with it is trash.

>>32589858
>how does /k/ feel about airguns?

Comfy. I like watching those night-vision rat hunting vids by Squirrel Hunter on youtube before I fall asleep.

Watching this thread for info.

>>32589858
I feel like they are basically .22's that you have to spend a minute pumping before they are capable of doing any real damage. At the point, why not just shoot a .22?

>>32590132
My beeman break barrel cost me $94 last year, and it shoots .177 pellets at 1000fps. Came with a cheap scope, but I just use irons

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Airguns here (Slovakia) are restricted to max power 15 J, in Czechia it's 16 J, in Germany I think it's only 7,5 J.
But you can find cool ones, like this old Czechoslovak training airgun roughly resembling vz. 24 (kar 98k)

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>>32589858
>tfw there are fucking awesome airguns

https://www.umarexusa.com/collections/air-pistols/products/legends-m712-177-black

>>32596146
I just got a free one of those too I thought it was pretty good definitely better than theDaisy grizzly I bought when I was 15

>>32598042
I have one. The original Mauser stock fits perfectly.

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>>32592080
Smart man
>>32594408
S200. About $600 new in the states. Good fun with a cheap little night vision add-on.

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Have this in .22. Should have gotten the 10 shot pcp or something with iron sights. Quality is really good and the trigger is sex. Heavy as fuck.

>>32598042
>>32598604
Nice. FPS on that? Do you think it could act for home defense?

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>>32589858
it would be a great pice of kit if they came with hand pumps which would allow you to pressurize the tank by handwithout use of electricity or gas - like pic related had. otheriwse, for prepping/SHTF, i don't see much use for them. storing 10k rds of 223 is easier than storing a compressor and the fuel necessary.

>>32599225
Does nobody make a practical hand-pump airgun?

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>>32599225

>>32599237
>>32599231
nice. gonna be looking into air guns now. maybe it is more practical then I thought....

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>>32599237
One of these (Hill pump mk4) is all I ever use to charge mine. No need for compressor or bottle. Takes like 5 mins to charge to 180bar / 80 shots

>>32589858
I never understood these preppers and their innawoods delusions - do they really believe that there will be enough deer to last them more than a few weeks?
Or do they plan on going cannibal?

>>32599457
No. He actually plans to hunt small game because he believes larger, attractive targets such as deer, lynx, etc. will be massively hunted should something of a global disaster happen. He intends to hunt the smaller game, fish and forage. He also, again, likes air guns because he has to fill out no paperwork for the government to buy one and stockpile pellets and BB.

I'm not saying he is right or wrong but his ramblings, however delusional they might be, did peak my interest in airguns.

>>32599314
There're molds for the pellets as well so it's easy to make your own ammunition as well.

>>32599457
having a gun that runs on muscle and wheel weights is a great idea no matter what. how long game will alst depends on the SHTF scenario. Sure, 300m hungry people will make the fauna of the US go extinct in half a year but if a SHTF of that extend happens, how many of those 300m will actually survive the thing that actually triggers everything?

>>32599457
>do they really believe that there will be enough deer to last them more than a few weeks?

If you're a careful prepper then you've probably got the dry and canned goods to last half a year with minimal game, by that point most of the normies have already eaten eachother and you should be able to start coming out for squirrels and birds again. Deer and big game probably wouldn't be a significant dietary factor again until year 2 or 3.

Airguns are also fairly quiet so it's a decent way to avoid letting everyone in the area know they've got resource competition.

Any good way to start with airguns? I notice Benjamin/Crossman have a starter kit( image related ) that is about $350. Comes with...

>Maximus .22 rifle with sights
>>pcp
>>850 FPS
>>41.7 inches/5lbs
>>front/rear fiber optic sights
>Hand pump
>400 rounds of Crosman Piranha 14.3 grain >pellets
>Targets
>Crossan Shooting glasses

More importantly, how does one find good places to practice with an airgun if they live in a city and lack a yard to practice in?

>>32599512
>Airguns are also fairly quiet
actually, they are louder than you'd think.

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>>32599517
Forgot img.

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Mine on the left. Super fun gun. I can shoot it all day in my residential neighborhood for super cheep.

>>32599237
>>32599225
and why not one with a spring driven piston?
no compressor no pump need shoot as long as you have lead

>>32599545
that sound's suspiciously like a crossbow mate.

>>32599525
>>32599545
Mine in pic related is a spring piston. They are not as easy to shoot accurately as other designs. You have to get the hang of the "artillery hold." Once you do though they are very nice.

>>32589858
Break-barrel airgun are literally the shittiest airgun you could possibly buy. You can get the windage correct, but you will never get the elevation sighted in because of its stupid design. Even if the max tolerance on the barrel/breach is .001", that yields as much as a 3.6" deviation at 50 yards. Fixed barrels with lever pumps are a superior design. You can find 1-pump, 1000fps, fixed barrel, air rifles.

>>32597846
Those are actually really nice.
Thanks anon!

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>>32599630
Sport of kings rat hunting

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>>32599627
Rubbish,

Just don't buy a piece of shit.

>>32598042
Explain the difference between airguns and airsoft guns. I'm trying to figure out why /k/ hasn't gotten all bent out of shape yet

>>32600644
airguns can actually kill things and aren't toys

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>>32600644
Airsoft fires extremely light(like 1/3gram), extremely low energy, plastic bbs at a few hundred fps that can give you little welts or put your eye out.
Pellet rifles launch a lead (normally ~8-16gr depending on caliber 177/22)projectile at much faster speeds, carrying a metric shit ton more energy, up to and beyond 1000fps depending on the gun and will wreck your shit.

>>32600644
Airsoft guns shoot plastic bb's my airgun shoots .357 hollow point pellets

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>>32600644
airsoft guns shoot small plastic bbs that can barely kill a fly, they are not weapons

airguns shoot either lead pellets or actual bullets made for firearms, and can range from smaller rifles in .177 (suitable for rats, birds) and all the way up to large african safari game like cape buffalo and bears.

Pic related, was taken using only an air rifle. See the tube under the barrel? That's an air reservoir.

>>32600742
hnnnng....

And all of that without needing to register it as a firearm. <3

>>32600843
and since they aren't firearms they can have integrated suppressors!

No tax stamps of any kind, and they can be delivered right to your door w/o a background check.

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>>32600875
>and since they aren't firearms they can have integrated suppressors!
That's a huge selling point for me. I shoot them with the gf all the time. A $10 rimfire spinner set offers tons of clanky fun.

>>32600742
what kind of gun is he using

>>32600923
http://quackenbushairguns.com/

Looks like their .458 outlaw model. Although their airguns are kind of old and IMO way too expensive for what they are. There are better options

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Am I stupid for wanting this? It's almost a thousand dollars for a .22 but it just looks so cool.

>>32601001
Can you tell us about these "better options" please? I'm actually very curious.

>>32599457

In the depression years, when 3/4 of America had some woods experience, this was a real concern.

Nowadays? I went deer hunting in prime country and never heard a shot beside my own last saturday. There's a lot more to deer hunting than walking into the woods and shooting. And your average town man won't think to spotlight one.

Does anybody have a buyers guide for baby's first airgun?

I've been wanting to buy one for a while so I can set up a marksmanship range in my back yard.

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Buy german

>>32599984
>rubbish
Try harder britcuck. Your mechanical ignorance is showing.

>>32601687
Your armchair is showing.

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>>32601820
So talking about mechanical tolerances and their effects on the accuracy of an airgun is suddenly armchair warrior?
Sure, friendo.

>>32600644
Airsoft is meant to be safe to shoot at other people. They're like the next step up from nerf guns, or a step down from BB guns.

Airguns are meant to punch holes in anything ranging from paper targets to live prey by farting out a lead projectile propelled by gas in some fashion. They're like real guns, except limited to subsonic projectile velocities due to the ballistics involved with pellets.

So what's /k/'s opinion on BB guns? Same tier as airsoft?

>>32589858
I think they're really cool, are a better ~survival item~ than a powder-based firearm, and the only reason americans don't like them is because they don't feature in action movies.

>>32602123
>Airsoft is meant to be safe to shoot at other people.
They say that, but it's not. You'll never kill someone with airsoft, but I've heard of a lot of chipped teeth and damaged eyes. Always wear your PPE!

>They're like real guns, except limited to subsonic projectile velocities due to the ballistics involved with pellets.
There are supersonic airguns, they're just shitty

>>32602228
a BB gun is, by most definitions, an airgun and not a toy. BBs are inferior to pellets so it's uncommon to find high power BB guns, but they do exist and airguns that fire balls that aren't BBs also exist.

BB guns are explicitly not toys. In fact, airsoft guns don't even fire BBs. off the top of my head, a BB is actually smaller than an airsoft pellet, and in actual 100% I'm Sure Of This Fact, BBs are typically made of metal whereas airsoft pellets are made of biodegradeable plastic.

>>32590332
>slowly airguns firing over 1000+ FPS were vanishing from shelves in our area because of the "evil NWO government" agenda.
It's just a market force. No one wants airguns that powerful because pellets get horribly unstable at transsonic speeds, and anyone who wants that sort of muzzle energy will just get a conventional .22

Same reason why in Canada, every air gun fires at around 380 to 400 fps. Any higher, and you need a PAL, and so why bother stocking them when anyone with a PAL is likelier to buy a real gun? You can totally order one online but good luck finding it at your lgs

>>32601859
yeah because protip they can get to very tight tolerances if you get one that isnt shit

>>32602285
>There are supersonic airguns, they're just shitty

I'd argue that it's not the airgun that is responsible for supersonic shooting, but the choice of pellet.

If your airgun can fart a pellet so fast it breaks the sound barrier, you need to get heavier pellets.

>>32597973
>spend a minute pumping
PCPs and Spring Piston guns exist m8

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>>32602382
Also, speaking of pellets, I'm in the mood for something gimmicky to shoot in a CO2 plinker pistol:

Anyone ever try shooting these Gamo Lethal pellets, the ones that claim to be able to punch through metal plate?

I mean sure they're ridiculously overpriced, but still there's something endearingly stupid about these, and I'm curious if they at least can hit a target down range at minimum.

>>32602382
There are some that really are just that powerful that no weight of pellet will fail to go supersonic, because that's just what the manufacturer wanted to do. Some people don't know about that property of pellets, so they want guns that fire at ridiculous speeds.

Though I wonder why pellets are seen as so necessarily wonky at sanic speeds but bullets and other objects are not. Is it just because it's only transsonic and not actually supersonic at the muzzle? What if you had a truly full retard power rifle that used hydrogen instead of CO2 or dumps like 10L of air behind the pellet or something? more aggressive twist rates in the rifling maybe?

>>32599201
It could scare somebody, but it's not going to harm them unless you shoot them in the eye or bludgeon them with it. Not sure on FPS, but it's pretty average for a gas-blowback CO2 airgun.

>>32602527
They're designed around stability via drag or some shit, has something to do with the diabolo profile I believe.

If I remember physics 101 right (and fuck me, I never really could grok physics for some reason), drag increases along with velocity, so after that shot travels a bit of distance it'll slow down to subsonic because of inherent drag, at which point that shockwave from breaking the speed of sound catches up with it and sends this relatively lightweight pellet flying off course.

That's also not assuming the pellet doesn't just deform from the force of the gas and become unstable by shape.

>>32602616
But it seems like it could be solved just as easily as it is with bullets, with a more aggressive spin and higher speeds.

Like, a 9mm or .22 round doesn't go that much faster than the speed of sound, right? But people trust those to go supersonic and to be accurate to reasonable ranges. .177, okay, sure, that's too small to care about. Why not trust a heavy .22 pellet to go transsonic and survive the trip the same way people trust .22 LR?

Or, even better, why not build an airgun that just straight up uses .22 bullets? or meme out hardcore and make one that fires whole rounds

>>32602688
You'd have to change the projectile shape though, at which point I think you're just solving for the novelty of a literal air-gun.

With enough power behind it, I guess you could take a 22lr bullet and send it flying on pure air power alone, but that'll work thanks to the geometry of a traditional bullet.

Though, there would be issues of projectile-rifling friction, which the diabolo shape aims to minimize (along with also properly plugging the barrel so that as much air as possible goes into moving the pellet and not leaking around it).

Some enterprising individual could find a way to make it work, I'm sure, but it would surely be a novelty project.

There's also reviving https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_V/L but by law this constitutes a true firearm.

>>32602449
I have tried them. They are fairly accurate and fire very fast with good penetration through hard targets. They do shit up the barrel with black strands which triggers me. Not many rabbits wear steel body armor either. For hunting, zero advantage over lead.

>>32599627
A break action rifle can easily get <2" groupings at 50yards.
Impossible to dial in elevation? You talk about the deviation of 0.01" barrel movement but can't work out the range of adjustment on a rear sight that raises/lowers by half an inch?
Calling an under lever a "lever pump gun"?
'the fuck outta here

>>32602123
>>32602285
>There are supersonic airguns, they're just shitty
If you like max power, that's why you buy the fastest supersonic gun out there, then fire a heavy enough pellet to keeps it subsonic. You'll still get the power.
If I actually want max speed, I'll use one of my centerfire rifles.

>>32602827
Ah, but for plinking you can impress your friends with the ability to punch $0.20 holes in coffee cans, no?

>>32590332
1200 fps is right around the sound barrier. if your pellet breaks the sound barrier and then drops back below, you'll lose a lot of accuracy.
keep in mind most manufacturers use super light alloy pellets when they chrony their guns so they can advertise OMG 9001 FPS! MORE FASTER = MORE BETTER.
look up people testing the gun on youtube and see what chrony results they get with regular lead pellets (or whatever you'll be shooting)

>>32597973
>pumping
what are spring piston, nitro piston, and precharged pneumatic rifles. also CO2 if ur a pleb

>>32599225
>>32599231
benjamin discovery m8s

>>32599484
shooting smaller things is a better idea anyway if you don't have refrigeration or another way to preserve the meat.
relying on hunting is silly anyway. trap or gtfo

>>32599521
>most don't break the sound barrier
>some are manufactured with a built in suppressor
definitely quieter than a .22lr

>>32599627
t. guy who bought the cheapest walmart air rifle and thinks it's representative of all air rifles

>>32601859
you're assuming every breakbarrel airgun has this problem, instead of just the shitty ones

>>32602228
>bb guns
crap power delivery because the projectiles are light
crap accuracy because the projectile is spherical
red ryders are fun to shoot though

>>32602449
I've used these. They're pretty accurate. They are light... high velocity and penetrate well... they don't carry much energy at longer distances though. I recovered a few of the black plastic jackets and shot them (without the copper core) just to see what would happen... pretty sure they break the sound barrier because it's loud as fuck...

>>32602688
>9mm or .22 round doesn't go that much faster than the speed of sound, right?
nah
all but the heaviest 9mm will break the sound barrier out of a 5" barrel, and most .22 out of a rifle will too

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I killed about 20 squirrels this year with various air rifles, including the one in OP's picture. The build quality is actually pretty fucking shitty. The windage is adjusted as far as possible and the point of impact still can't be put on bullseye. The barrel is horribly off center. The ruger emblem fell off. I'm also not a fan of break barrels.

>>32603316
Could also be the shape, I remember as a wee lad this thing in a science book I had where you could build this tube like shape out of paper and when you let air flow through it it makes a roaring sound or some shit.

It might've been based on the bullroarer or something.

Really, I think there's a lot of unexplored territory in novelty pellets. The full hollow tube shot could be interesting if the aerodynamics permit it.

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>>32603021
That's what they are for!

For added pellet meme power, try these

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>>32601056

Dunno. For a lot less you could get this.

>>32603390

LOL :)

then again, that face when u say : "I only use fragmentation armor-piercing ammunition in my airgun"
...guaranted to halt the conversation for a bit.

>>32603390
>Controlled expansion of the brass tip delivers good accuracy and performance for the H&N Hornet pellet

>brass tip

>expand

So wait, it's a thumbtack... that's actually a hollowpoint?

>>32599225
"While the detachable air reservoir was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1,500 strokes of a hand pump to fill those reservoirs. Later, a wagon-mounted pump was provided."

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>>32603390
I once shot a rabbit with one of these when I was hunting in Scotland. Didn't hit it cleanly and broke the spine. It paddled itself into the bushes like a cripple and I went chasing after it with my torch. Finally found it after 5 mins of searching and went to pick it up to snap it's neck as it was still alive but for some reason it was really heavy. It was looking right at me and said "I need about tree fiddy". It was around this time that I noticed this rabbit was actually 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the Paleolithic Era. God damn Loch Ness monster.

>>32603562
That's a Web page paraphrasing wrong. The lead tends to break away from the pellet as it passes through stuff.

>>32603639
Got me a hearty kek, thanks mate.

>>32603316
>>32603387
There's a lot of odd factors.
Speed is the enemy of steel at least.
That's why 556 melts through my steel that steel cored 54r/545 won't hardly scratch.
Then again, sandbags are the enemy of very fast moving projectiles since they'll rip themselves to shreds and stop almost instantly compared to a slower moving pistol projectile.

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Anyone have one of these and can tell me if it's worth the money? (going for under 50 on ebay)