How about a Warsaw Pact thread?

Romania vs Hungary

who would win?

>>32577746
1980's or now?

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>>32577746
Romania, Hungary stands no chance great conductor Ceausescu filled the spirit mind and body full of pure Danian manliness

also I aint listening to no gorbachev ROMANIA IS NON ALIGNED

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Caption this pic

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>>32577690
I have a shit-ton of pics so I'll post intermittently for a while

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>>32577867

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>>32577879

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>>32577791
His son has a even more cunt destroyer look to his face.

also one of Uday Husseins buddies

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>>32577902
btw if anyone can ID the radio set that the guy in the center left in the post I replied to is using, I'd appreciate it

>>32577902
>woah sick walkman dude, how much did you get that for?

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>>32577919

>>32577924
kek

>>32577924
Traded with a Yugoslav border guard son.

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>>32577933

>>32577919
>all 3 have a 1000 yard stare

>>32577919
I once found a site where you could buy the exact balaclava these guys are using.

Dont remember now what site it was.

>>32577947
Such is life in East Germany

>>32577964

It's German Democratic Republic you american dog

>>32577976
"Democratic"

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>>32577943

>>32577947
counterterrorism is serious shit, especially in Ossieland

>>32577952
Solidery, maybe? They have some weird shit for sale on occasion

>>32578001
shoo

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>>32578084

http://catalogo.casd.difesa.it/GEIDEFile/patto_di_varsavia.PDF?Archive=191388091956&File=patto+di+varsavia_PDF
This is an overview of the Czech war plans for WW3 circa 1964. Fun bits:
>total conviction that NATO had offensive designs on the Pact nations
>war plan operates on the assumption that there will be a nuclear exchange at the very beginning--there is no discussion of a war with no nuclear weapons, and all of their exercises featured nukes by 72 hours at the latest
>request for enough hospital beds for something like a quarter of their military--no mention of expected deaths
I know there's a Polish war plan as well somewhere on the net.

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>>32578512

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The NVA (NasionaleVolksArmee) is my favorite Warsaw Pact army.

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>>32578309
I was amazed when I read about Able Archer 83, and find out that Soviets actually believe that NATO will attack them.
So all this military budgets was wasted for nothing.
Cold War was weird time, for sure.

>>32579311
>Soviets actually believe that NATO will attack them.
Trauma from world war 2 made them think like that. Most of them lived during it and saw all the horror.

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>>32578839

>>32579311
I have a friend from Belarus. He says that most of the Soviet military in his father's region was not placed on alert. Yet again he was Motorized troops so I dunno about formation alert categories.

The only time they ever did get placed on super high alert was Reagan's "we begin bombing in 5 minutes".

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>>32577791
Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal!

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Primo autism time.

Here are Warsaw Pact strength and equipment summaries, Summer 1989, according to IISS and the "Inside the Soviet Military" series:

Starting with East Germany:

>Army: ~120,000 active, ~400,00 Reserve Personnel
~2,000 Tanks (583 T-72, ~1,500 T-54/55)
~150 Light Tanks (PT-76)
~1,500 BTR-50/60/70/152 APC
~200 MT-LB APC
~1,000 BMP-1/2 IFV
~500 FUG Armored Cars
~1,000 BRDM-1/2 Armored Cars
~150 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
~220 SA-4/6/8/9/13 Army Air Defense Systems
~1,000 14.5mm, 23mm, 37mm, 57mm, 100mm AAA

~300 152mm Field Guns (D-20, ML-20, D-1)
~72 130mm Field Guns (M-46)
~500 122mm Field Guns (D-30, D-74, M-30, A-19)
~100 100mm Anti-Tank Guns (T-12, BS-3)
~400 85mm Anti-Tank Guns (D-44)
~230 2S1 122mm SPH
~96 2S3 152mm SPH
~108 BM-21 122mm MLRS
~265 RM-70 122mm MLRS
~18 FROG-7 SSM Launchers
~24 Scud SSM Launchers
~20 SS-21 SSM Launchers

>Air Force: ~40,000 Active Personnel
-24 MiG-29UB
-70 MiG-23MF/BN
-225 MiG-21
-35 MiG-17
-25 Su-22
-18 MiG-21R Recon
-6 L-410 Transport
-18 An-26 Transport
-15 Misc Transports (An-2, An-14, An-26, Tu-134)
-60 Trainers (L-39, L-29, Z-226, Yak-11 MiG-15)
-30 Mi-24 Attack Helicopters
-25 Mi-2 Transport Helicopters
-76 Mi-8/17 Transport Helicopters
-205 SAM Batteries (SA-2, SA-3, SA-5)

>Navy: 16,000 Active Personnel
-3 Koni Class Light Frigates
-16 Parchim Class ASW Corvettes
-2 Tarantul-I Class Missile Corvettes
-15 Osa-I/II Class Missile Boats
-25 Libelle Class Torpedo Boats
-15 Shershen Class Torpedo Boats
-18 Kondor Class ASW Boats
-10 Bremese Class Patrol Boat
-25 Kondor Class Minesweepers
-12 Frosch Class Landing Ships

>Paramilitary Troops:
-50,000 Border Troops
-12,000 People's Alert Police (Anti-Riot)
-8,500 Transportation Police
-7,000 Stasi Security Troops
-3,000 Civil Defense Troops
~500,000 Workers Militia

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>Army: 145,000 Active, ~700,000 Reserve
-3,000 Tanks (500 T-72, 2,500 T-54/55)
-2,500 APC (OT-64, OT-62, OT-810)
-1,150 IFV (BVP-1)
-1,250 FUG/BRDM-1/2 Armored Cars
-300 M53/59 Praga SPAAG
-175 SA-4/6/8/9/13 Army Air Defense Systems
-40 FROG-7 SSM Launchers
-27 Scud SSM Launchers
-4 SS-21 SSM Launchers
-90 ML-20 152mm Field Guns
-75 M-46 130mm Field Guns
-250 D-30/M-30 122mm Field Guns
-100 A-19 122mm Field Guns
-250 Skoda M-53 100mm Anti-Tank Guns
-175 DANA 152mm SPH
-50 2S1 122mm SPH
-24 2S7 203mm SPH
-200 RM-70 122mm MLRS
-120 RM-53 130mm MLRS
-575 23mm/37mm/57mm AAA

>Air Force: 56,000 Active Personnel
-20 MiG-29A/UB
-65 MiG-23 Including 18 MiG-23BN
~300 MiG-21
-50 Su-7
-25 Su-25
-12 MiG-21R Recon
-10 Su-7R Recon
-15 L-29 Recon
-2 L-410 Transports
-40 Il-14/An-26 Transports
-6 An-24 Transports
-4 An-12 Transports
-1 Tu-134 VIP Transport
-100 Trainers (L-39, L-29, Z-42/43)
-40 Mi-24 Attack Helicopters
-20 Mi-1 Transport Helicopters
-55 Mi-2 Transport Helicopters
-60 Mi-4 Transport Helicopters
-65 Mi-8 Transport Helicopters
-250 SA-2/SA-3 SAM Batteries
-3 SA-10 SAM Batteries

>Paramilitary:
-27,000 National Security Corps
-11,000 Border Guard
-120,000 People's Militia

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Poland:

>Army: 234,000 Active, 490,000 Reserve Personnel
-2,850 Tanks (785 T-72, 2,065 T-54/55)
-58 PT-76 Light Tanks
-1,200 OT-64/62 APC
-400 MT-LB APC
-1,400 BWP-1 IFV
-60 BMP-2 IFV
-685 BRDM-2/FUG Armored Cars
-150 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
-290 SA-4/6/8/9/13 Army Air Defense
-170 ML-20/D-20 152mm Field Guns
-700 D-30/M-30 122mm Field Guns
-750 D-44 85mm Field Guns
-500 2S1 122mm SPH
-111 DANA 152mm SPH
-12 2S7 203mm SPH
-232 BM-21 122mm MLRS
-30 RM-70 122mm MLRS
-40 FROG-7 SSM Launchers
-25 Scud SSM Launchers
-4 SS-21 SSM Launchers
-800 14.5mm/23mm/37mm/57mm AAA

>Air Force: 83,000 Active Personnel
-12 MiG-29UB
-37 MiG-23
-250 MiG-21
-124 Su-17/20/22
-24 MiG-21R Recon
-8 Su-17R Recon
-24 MiG-17R Recon
-10 Yak-40 Transports
-3 Il-14 Transports
-11 An-26 Transports
-10 An-2 Transports
-2 An-12 Transports
-1 Tu-154 Transport
~88 Trainers (30 TS-11, 18 Su-17, 40 Yak-18)
-30 Mi-24 Attack Helicopters
-130 Mi-2 Transport Helicopters
-20 Mi-8/17 Transport Helicopters
-20 W-3 Sokol Transport Helicopters
-280 SA-2/SA-3/SA-5/SA-6 SAM Batteries

>Navy: 24,000 Active Personnel
-1 Kashin Class Destroyer
-1 Kaszub Class Corvette
-4 Tarantul-I Class Missile Corvettes
-8 Osa-II Class Missile Boats
-8 Obluze Class Patrol Boats
-1 Kilo Class Submarine
-2 Foxtrot Class Submarines
-2 Polnochny Class Landing Ships
-5 Lublin Class Minesweepers/Landing Craft
-3 Degra Class Landing Craft
-8 Krogulec Class Minesweepers
-14 Notec Class Minesweepers
-2 Lena Class Minesweepers
-38 MiG-21 Fighters
-8 MiG-15R Recon Aircraft
-2 An-28 Transport Aircraft
-10 An-2 Transport Aircraft
-14 TS-11 Trainer Aircraft
-17 Mi-2 Transport Helicopters
-4 Mi-8 Transport Helicopters
-3 W-3 Sokol ASW Helicopters
-15 Mi-14 ASW Helicopters

>Paramilitary:
-65,000 Territorial Defense Forces
-12,000 ZOMO Riot Police
-450,000 ORMO Militia
-20,000 Border Guard

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>>32577976
voz aug immer, schwuler

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>>32582375
fugg

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Bulgaria

>Army: 70,000 Active, 400,000 Reserve
-2,450 Tanks (250 T-72, 300 T-62, 1,300 T-54/55, 300 T-34)
-30 PT-76 Light Tanks
-600 BTR-50/60/70 APC
-1,100 MT-LB APC
-150 BMP-1/2 IFV
-200 BRDM-1/2 Armored Cars
-100 SU-100 Tank Destroyers
-30 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
-10 ZSU-57-2 SPAAG
-50 SA-4/6/13 Army Air Defense
-150 ML-20 & D-20 152mm Field Guns
-75 M-46 130mm Field Guns
-500 M-30, A-19, & D-30 122mm Field Guns
-450 Anti-Tank Guns (T-12 100mm, D-44 85mm)
-700 2S1 122mm SPH
-20 2S3 152mm SPH
-200 BM-21 122mm MLRS
-64 FROG-7 & Scud SSM Launchers
-18 SS-21 SSM Launchers
-400 14.5mm/23mm/37mm/57mm/85mm/100mm AAA

>Air Force: 24,000 Active
-20 MiG-29
-70 MiG-23
-160 MiG-21
-30 MiG-17
-24 Su-22
-40 Su-25
-4 MiG-25 Recon
-20 MiG-21 Recon
-2 An-30 Recon
-4 L-410 Transports
-2 Tu-154 Transport
-12 An-24/26 Transports
-150 Trainers (L-39, L-29, MiG-15, MiG-17, Yak-18)
-40 Mi-24 Attack Helicopters
-24 Mi-2 Transport Helicopters
-100 Mi-8/17 Transport Helicopters

>Navy: 10,000 Active Personnel
-2 Riga Class Corvettes
-5 Poti Class ASW Corvettes
-2 Pauk Class ASW Corvettes
-6 Osa-I Class Missile Boats
-6 Shershen Class Torpedo Boats
-7 Zhuk Class Patrol Boats
-3 SO-1 Class Patrol Boats
-4 Romeo Class Submarines
-1 Polnochny Class Landing Ship
-19 Vydra Class Landing Craft
-4 Sonya Class Minesweepers
-7 Vanya Class Minesweepers
-4 Yevgenya Class Minesweepers
-150 130mm & 152mm Coastal Guns
-9 Mi-2 & Mi-14 ASW Helicopters

>Paramilitary:
-13,000 Border Guard
-8,000 Civil Defense Troops
-15,000 Construction Troops
-15,000 Internal Security Troops

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>>32582836
FUG was a Hungarian-designed vehicle used pretty widely by the Warsaw Pact

Along with a number of Czech weapons it was one of the few non-Soviet made weapons permitted by Moscow

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>>32582885
gool

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>>32582885
dell me more

>>32582836
I thought that too haha

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Romania, the Black Sheep of the Warsaw Pact. The latest equipment was denied to Ceausescu from Moscow and he had to buy a lot of Chinese/Yugoslavian

>Army: 140,000 Active, 4,000,000+ Reserves Claimed (dubious)
-1,530 Tanks (1,180 T-54/55, 350 T-34)
-3,000 BTR-40/152/60/70 APC
-75 MT-LB APC
-100 MTI-84 (BMP) IFV
-400 BRDM-1/2 Armored Cars
-175 SU-100 Tank Destroyers
-60 ZSU-57-2 SPAAG
-80 SA-6/9 Army Air Defense
-400 ML-20/D-1/D-20 152mm Field Guns
-12 Skoda M1934 150mm Field Guns
-280 M-30/A-19 122mm Field Guns
-72 M1936 Schneider 105mm Field Gun
-75 Chinese Type 86 100mm Anti-Tank Gun
-80 Skoda M1916 85mm Mountain Gun
-50 D-48 85mm Field Guns
-375 ZiS-3 76mm Anti-Tank Guns
-40 2S1 122mm SPH
-325 BM-21 122mm & RM-51 130mm MLRS
-500+ 14.5mm/30mm/37mm/57mm/85mm/100mm AAA
-30 FROG-3/7 SSM Launchers
-18 Scud SSM Launchers

>Air Force: 32,000 Active
-45 MiG-23
-180 MiG-21
-100 MiG-17
-35 IAR-93 Vultur
-20 Il-28 Light Bomber
-4 Li-2 Transports
-20 An-24/26 Transports
-2 Boeing 707 Transports
-80 IAR-99 Soim, MiG-15, L-29, L-39, UT-2 Trainers
-55 IAR-316 Scout Helicopters
-25 Mi-4 Transport Helicopters
-40 IAR-330 Transport Helicopters
-135 SA-2 SAM Batteries

>Navy:
-1 Muntenia Class Destroyer
-3 Tetal Class Corvettes
-3 Poti Class ASW Corvettes
-3 Krondstadt Class ASW Boats
-18 Epitrop/Osa-I Class Missile Boats
-30+ Chinese Type 22 Torpedo Boats
-20+ Chinese Type 61 Patrol Boats
-25 VD River Patrol Boat
-8 VG River Patrol Boat
-18 VB River Patrol Boat
-1 Kilo Class Submarine
-2 Cosar Class Minesweeper
-4 Democratica Class Minesweepers
-20+ Chinese Type 71 Landing Craft
-150+ 76mm, 122mm, 130mm, 150mm, 152mm Coastal Guns
-10 IAR-316 ASW Helicopters

>Paramilitary
-Securitate Troopers: ~20,000
-Patriotic Guards: ~700,000+ Claimed

>>32577690
I like how you can still see the 1945 damage. I assume that wasn't repaired until after reunification?

>>32582811
Saugt mein Schwanz

>>32583081

>russia wont give you shit
>buy chinese shit that russia gave to china to copy

>>32582885
why was it approved for production? It doesn't seem to offer any significant advantages over a BDRM-2 aside from looking neat

>>32583086
>I assume that wasn't repaired until after reunification?
maybe not even then, a lot of old buildings in Western Europe have visible damage from aerial bombardments

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Neat thread. Does anybody know where i can find posters like these?

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Lastly, Hungary

>Army: 77,000 Active, 100,000 Reserve
-1,300 Tanks (100 T-72, 1,000 T-54/55, 200 T-34)
-100 PT-76 Light Tanks
-1,400 FUG Armored Cars & APC Variants
-350 BMP-1 IFV
-300 BRDM-1/2 Armored Cars
~200 ex-Nazi Sd.Kfz 251 Halftracks
-50 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
-150 SA-4/6/9/13 Army Air Defense
-150 D-20 & D-1 152mm Field Guns
-225 M-30, A-19, & D-30 122mm Field Guns
~50 ex-Nazi sFH-18 150mm Field Guns
-50 T-12 100mm Anti-Tank Guns
-100 D-48 85mm Anti-Tank Guns
-90 2S1 122mm SPH
-20 2S3 152mm SPH
-50 BM-21 122mm MLRS
-100 23mm/37mm/57mm/88mm AAA
-24 FROG-7 & Scud SSM Launchers
-10 SS-21 SSM Launchers

>Air Force: 22,000
-45 MiG-23
-90 MiG-21
-20 Su-22
-20 MiG-17
-25 An-2, An-24, An-26 Transports
-50 L-39, L-29, Yak-11, Yak-18, MiG-15 Trainers
-30 Mi-24 Attack Helicopters
-5 Mi-2 Transport Helicopters
-30 Mi-8 Transport Helicopters
-50 Ka-26 Utility Helicopters
-120 SA-2 & SA-3 SAM Batteries

>Danube Riverine Flotilla: 10 Patrol Boats

>Paramilitary:
-15,000 Security Troops
-16,000 Border Guard
-60,000 Worker's Militia

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>>32577919
>those helmets
>strichtarn
>MAKs

>pic related

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>>32583155
Lets see if this fixxed it

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>>32583218
Fucking phone can't do shit

>>32583232
I give up

>>32583139
After the 1956 revolution in Hungary the new regime under Janos Kadar sought to keep the population satisfied and begged the Soviets to allow for the production of domestic vehicles to create jobs. After the instability of 1956 the Soviets approved as they considered it a national security issue

Normally the Soviets forbid any sort of serious domestic weapons development to Warsaw Pact states save Czechoslovakia who was able to begin its own arms industry 1945-1948 before the Soviets could put down restrictions.

I have a MA in the history of the USSR & Warsaw Pact, AMA

>>32583248
To add further a bit I meant to include, the FUG is also more better designed for crossing the Danube river than the BRDM-1 or BRDM-2 so it has a more nominal contextual advantage.

>>32583155
>>32583218
>>32583232
Old US cold war area OPFOR manuals and even soviet manuals would have more.

>>32583248
>>32583265
neat, thanks for the info

>I have a MA in the history of the USSR & Warsaw Pact, AMA
damn, I consider myself pretty knowledgeable on the subject but I'm nowhere near that good. How does one attain those credentials?

>>32578512
i can't be the only one that thinks that helmet shape is retarded

>>32583423
Take lots of Russian & Eastern European history courses, write a thesis and have it sponsored by a professor in the same field. Mine was about Stalin & Mao's relationship

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>>32577690
fuck yeah cold war best war

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>>32581493
resuming dump

>>32583439
the M56 is actually pretty bullet resistant compared to an average steel pot, the shape serves a purpose.

tbqh I think they look cool

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The Tu-128, the flying brick of the Soviet anti-bomber interceptor force. It is still to this day the largest aircraft classified as a fighter

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The Tango Class SSK. 20 were built between the more well known Foxtrot and Kilo classes. For whatever reason it's the most forgotten Soviet submarine design

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Aesthetics or living soldiers

Your choice.

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>>32583444
>Mine was about Stalin & Mao's relationship
Speaking of which, what's your take on the deterioration of Sino-Soviet relations during the Khrushchev era? Did Mao's reception at Stalin's birthday party and the infamous pool meeting with Khrushchev really play a large role in what happened, or is it all just memes?

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>>32583439

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Soviet air defense troops in Egypt. The Soviets sent nearly 50,000 troops and advisers to Egypt & Syria to try and help the Arabs against Israel in the 1967-1970 War of Attrition where they performed quite poorly. After a dispute between the USSR and Egypt as to who was to blame for the poor performances of both Soviet and Egyptian troops, Moscow withdrew in disgust and drastically cut aid.

>>32578819
Damn, the Klan really did have their shit together back in the day, didn't they?

>>32583523
point taken
i would rather look retarded than not look at all
>>32583546
haha my thought every time though

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>>32583558

>>32583540
It's all memes. The split between the USSR and China was inevitable and would have happened had Stalin lived longer. Mao saw the Soviets as a source for technology he could later reverse-engineer, the Soviets saw them as a client state that should behave as such.

Mao had a certain level of respect for Stalin but saw Khrushchev as an upstart and this is why relations got so bad under him when the Soviets demanded that China undertake a degree of de-stalinization. Mao thought he should be the natural leader of the Communist world with Stalin's passing and Moscow disagreed. These were greater intangible issues that drove the split more than any personal spats.

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>>32583567

What is it about Warsaw Pact militaries that makes them look so fearsome?

>>32583722
~70 years of cultural conditioning to make T55s and AKs the equiptment of the "bad guys"

>>32583722
They were big paper tigers. The Soviets were another issue but the communist regimes in eastern europe (poland especially) were fiercly unpopular and constantly had civil unrest. Their conscript armies would have fallen apart pretty quickly from bad morale and resentment against the soviets

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East German officer with Pistole M

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I'll never be this SWAG. Why live?

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Here's some Mongols. They were only an observer state but that's close enough

>>32583769
> millenial detected

>>32586123
Another Mongolian. For some reason it's really easy to find pictures of them from WWII and now but as for the period in between there are almost none as far as I can find.

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>>32586255
forgot pic

>>32577919
Headphones TA-56M, dunno about mic. Radio P-105.

>>32577797
>optic aimed at me but rocket points to the side
the warsaw pact would have been steamrolled in conventional warfare

>>32582375
>>32582533
>>32582733
>>32582869
>>32583081
>>32583214
that's a fucking lot of tanks

>>32583547
didn't egypt completely disregard and ignore most of the tactical and strategic/operational level advice, only to pander to the soviets simply to get free war supplies?

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>>32583547
If I recall correctly, the Soviets were extremely condescending of the Egyptians and kept going on about how they were going to do things "the right way". Then this happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rimon_20
And the Egyptians basically went "lol, told you so".
>>32583248
>MA in History
How's that working out/what do you do for a living? I'm considering possibly getting an MA in a history field (narrowing it down to SE Asia/something in the same geographical area) but I'm trying to get my shit together before putting money down on grad school.
>>32583722
My take is among other things
>Mass standardization means you can pump out an absolute fuckload of equipment
>Mass mobilization exercises present great photo/video ops that you can use for propaganda
>The idea we had of a monolithic combloc presented the idea of a sea of Reds that would come crashing against us if shit were to hit the fan
Among other things. A lot of it is posturing, and that's nothing really new.
>>32586417
When you and all of your satellite states have the same plans, you can really start to crank out tanks like no tomorrow.

>>32582733
How did the Poles possess more T-72s than East Germany? I would think it logical to have more of those in the state closer to NATO aligned countries.

>>32586613
Maybe because they produce them?

>>32586638
The Czechs also produced them, yet the Poles have several hundred more than them.

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Some Czechs

>>32586646
They export them more. iirc most GDR T-72's was Czech made.

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>>32586665
I see, I'm guessing mostly barebone "M" variants?

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>>32586677

>>32586677
Yeah, M/M1 export "monkey" models.

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>>32586688

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>>32586703
I know this gets thrown about a lot on /k/, but how effective would they have been if the Cold War had gone hot and they had to go up against NATO contemporaries? If we take the US out of the equation, that probably means West German/Danish/Dutch/French (maybe) tanks. Also was most of PACT offensive doctrine similar to the Soviets?
>>32586707

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>>32577690

Warsaw Uprising was much better than commie terror organization.

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>>32586716

>>32586613

Poland population 37.9 million in 1989. DDR... 16.1 million.

>>32583439

That only proves your own retardation. It is likely the best steel helmet ever designed. Final form of Stahlhelm and designed during WWII.

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>>32586762
Damn, forgot how small the DDR was. Fair point.
>>32586736

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That's it for me for now.

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>5sm
>See this thread
Fuuuuck.
Guess sleep can wait.

>>32583081

The reason Romania had so many "reserves" and patriotic guard was they considered any abled bodied male, who had preformed a turn of service, aged 18 to 65, to be some form of reserve.
Romania probably didn't have enough small arms to arm their men, at least not modern. You could have seen whole Regiments armed with old Mausers from WWI.

Anyone employed in a state security or public safety role, from firefighters, ambulance corps, security guards, to city sanitation workers, were part of the patriotic guard. So we're the oldest members of their youth corps, 16-18.

This was also true to the GDR and USSRs reserve figures though they were backed up by a far more militant vanguard of troops, including the party militia of the GDR and the MVD of Russia/USSR.

T. Russian guy whos too autistic about the Warsaw pact.

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Left to right (I think): Poland, USSR, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, East Germany Romania's flag is in the photo, but no soldier representing it.

>>32586716
>If we take the US out of the equation
Eh, you can't do that. It's all was integrated. Anyway it's will be war of first strike, so tactical capabilities doesn't matter much.
>>32586856
>and the MVD of Russia/USSR
Soviet MVD was nowhere as big as modern Russian one.

>>32586890
Is that a bakelite lower handguard or a wooden lower handguard? I'm trying to make sime MPi clones

>>32586978
wood

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>>32586890
>that three colour splinter pattern

>>32583439
You are. They are a very good design.

>>32586613
>Having the enemy capture your T-72s in a surprise first wave attack instead of having them a bit back so you can ROLL OVER THE FIRST WAVE IN A GLORIOUS SPRINGTIDE OF INTERNATIONAL COMMUNISM, the post.

>>32586613
They literally couldn't afford it, they even had to say no to getting a few t-80s because they couldn't afford them.

Eric Honneker pretty much plugged his ears and went lalalala when the GDR was collapsing around him. Even Krenz who came after him didn't know how to fix the situation.

I feel awful for former members of the NVA they did all the right things with no moral during the last days and still got fucked by that prick Helmut and abandoned by Gorbachev and the shitter who was supposed to stand up for them K*ssler.

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>>32582836

>Spalterflagge
>Not naming it DDDDDR

Missed memeing potential desu

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Next day bump.

>>32586613
1.) The T-72 was produced under license in both Czechoslovakia and Poland and this gave them access to more. East German economy and workforce was too small to do this.

2.) East Germany cut its military budget in the late 1980s, following Gorbachev's lead. Honecker of course opposed Gorbachev at every turn but with Soviet aid drying up he was desperate for economic stability.

3.) The Soviets planned to "loan" T-72s from their own forces in GDR to the East Germans in the event of war. They had upwards of 6,000 MBTs there in the 1980s with many being replaced by T-80s so there were plenty of T-72s to go around.

Interesting enough the Soviets didn't station their best T-80 tank model, the T-80U, in GDR. Instead they went for the T-80B as they were trying to prevent NATO from gaining intell on it.

>>32586846
Unsere Besten....Our best....trained to deep-isert into Nato-Terretory and to seize or destroy nuclear assets.....4-5 weeks in advance of real combat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6MJLyRKC8

>>32590104
We had 20000 of them at the isle of Rügen, were i life....we would have fucked you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRPyeLV9h2w

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>>32582375
>>32582836

>>32590104
>1:26
>With silly music
How silly. And I thought the warsaw pact knew better.

What is even more silly is that we got people doing this after the cold war, thinking it is somehow cool.

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>>32592854
The Polish insignia from that time period looks so cool.

>>32582375
can anyone tell me the difference between the USSR and Warsaw pact countries, I know they operated in semi-autonomy but weren't they puppets?

>>32592998
They were satellite states. They had their own native governments but ultimately answered to Moscow on important matters

>>32593015
interesting

>>32577690
Is there any 1980s warsaw pact?

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>>32593029
What do you mean?

>>32593218
I meant are there any warsaw pact pictures from the 80s in this thread?

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>>32592998
Warsaw Pact was the Second World's answer to NATO.
A military alliance that was centered around protecting their borders, interests, and way of life from Western influence/invasion (Though it most scenarios it was the Warsaw Pact initiating a battle). They were pretty much subordinates to the USSR, which was the major source of all resources. But each nation had their own government and military, which were really all Soviet puppets to varying degrees.
They almost all (mostly) used Soviet designed weapons and equipment, to ensure operational compatibility/familiarity, but each designed their own infantry gear.

>>32593547
For example, East Germany had a surprising amount of independence for what they were. They were free to modify what they wanted on their equipment and to organize their forces however they wished. Government served citizens of the nation and only referred to Moscow when they wanted to know how the situation between the USSR and NATO was.

The only real stipulations placed on East Germany by the Soviets were that they could not use Stahlhelms like in the World Wars, they could not reunify with West Germany, and they had to make payments to the USSR for damages after WW2.

>>32593271
Most likely.

>>32593613
This isn't true.

The East Germans had their economy deliberately made 100% on the Soviets, their foreign policy had to be identical to the Soviets down to taking part in wars like Angola and Ogaden and helping Arabs against Israel that they had no interest in otherwises.

The NVA were basically extra Soviet divisions and in wartime would have fallen under direct command of Soviet Generals.

After Poland East Germany was the least independent Warsaw Pact state. Bulgaria was the most.

>>32593613
Yet they still chose to kill their own citizens for trying to emigrate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Peter_Fechter

>>32593838
I don't know why, but the 1980s segment of the Cold War is fascinating to me.

>>32586373
uumm, ok didnt the soviet union defeat nazi germany in a conventional land war?

>>32586260
>If i only had half of that swag

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>>32593866
>Bulgaria was the most
What about Romania? I was under the assumption that they were a bit of a wild card, at least in foreign relations.
>>32594527
Warfare changed very rapidly in the decades following the end of the 2nd world war, and the amount of shit being brought to bear was astronomically higher.
>>32592854

>>32594527
That say nothing about a potentional world war 3.

Just because you did okay the last war says nothing about the future one.

>>32594100
I have a pretty autistic obsession with the early 80s myself

>>32577738
I'll scroll down in a second I swear I'm still just getting lost in his eyes


I'M NOT FUCKING GAY! YOU ARE THE FAGGOS NOT ME!

>>32583439
Nope. Apparently Hitler cancelled them because he thought they looked dumb and not threatening enough even though they were proven to be more effective and would save materials and man hours.

>>32579311
>>32579442
>Soviets actually believe that NATO will attack them
they didn't it was a propaganda meme
commies were always training defensive actions by skipping the defensive part and moving straight to counterattack

>>32592201
A+ filename anon

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>>32594992
Thank you anon.

>>32583558
Reminds me of an XG-70

>>32595127
A what?

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T-64s retreat from Hungary April 25, 1989

>>32578512
Interesting, I didnt know DDR soldiers used our PM63.

>>32593961

Daily reminder that the Berlin Wall killed like, 140 people in 40 years.

A single year of Mediterranean migration kills roughly 4000 people, only if we consider the deaths during sea travel (not considering those who die in the land route).

I swear, if the commies were still around their propaganda machine would have the easiest job ever.

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>>32596308
Can't wait to take it apart...
The guys behind World Of Guns: Gun Disassembly are gonna make the Hind
>pic related

>>32598813
boobter is good for undressing, da

>her: come over
>me: I can't, WW3 has started and I'm being flown to Germany
>her: my parents aren't home
>pic

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>>32586653
Czech'em

>>32577808
>"driver to the gas station."

>>32598814
Erich Mielke = Stasi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Mielke

>>32594691
To clarify what I meant. Bulgaria was the most independent by permission of Moscow. The Romanians were more independent, but the Soviets didn't like that.

Romania was the most independent, to the point where they were Warsaw Pact in name only. Really, the only reason Ceausescu didn't withdraw from it was because he remembered what happened to the Czechs and Hungarians when they went "too far". He played Moscow very well, opposing them on certain issues (i.e. not cutting ties with Israel, still supporting China, and opposing the 1968 Czech invasion) while maintaining the alliance with the Communist bloc in name.

>>32594880
It depends on the era. Stalin was very clever and in synch with the US. He made some errors, such as thinking that the US wouldn't commit to Korea, but he also knew that the US would never attack first.

Meanwhile by the early 1980s, the hardline Soviet leadership led by Andropov was very much certain that there was a strong possibility that Reagan would start shit first. This is why the early 1980s was such a tense time in the Cold War.

>>32598814
>>32599887
Mielke is still a hero of the left. The Palestinians gave him their highest award posthumously in 2008 and Chomsky has said he dindunuffin.

It's interesting because he's also quite popular among Russian nationalists.

>>32586559

Don't get a MA in history.

Trust.

Me.

Just don't. There is nothing you can't get by personal reading and study and if you don't come from a specific social class or have enough connections you are fucked.

Don't. Choose something useful and follow your hobbies afterwards.

>>32600285
>something useful
Well... I may be sol there, at least as far as undergrad stuff goes since I'm already deep in a poly-sci/history double major. Unless I choose to take grad school in a different direction. Was the only thing I was ever really good at, I'm utterly terrible at math (got a c in a 101 class even with constant tutoring) and never did well in anything STEM related.

>>32583248
Did you get a job in your field?

>>32577844

>Has a Foregrip
>Holds the Mag

>>32577808
"Fascists pinky is in my ass, by Stalin I swear it.

>>32602292
A shitty one. I'm a research assistant for European-Russian studies at a University I won't say

Go into STEM it's useful and you can get $$$

>>32577919
>>32583215
For those unaware, those three are members of the Diensteinheit IX (Service Unit 9) who served as the East German equivalent to the GSG9 after the Munich Massacre

>>32599887
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Mielke

He was a great guy wanted to save the DDR from Wessie

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I don't need no Russian made equipment great Romania made the Dacia so we can build jet too!

>>32600014
To what degree was Bulgaria independent? Sorry if it appears that I'm getting overly specific with this. Also were there ever any indications that certain countries wouldn't hold with the PACT for long if war actually broke out?
>>32600047
>still a hero of the left
Come again? Leftists actually revere the leader of the Stasi?

>>32592201
I thought it was McLovin at first

>>32603636
>To what degree was Bulgaria independent? Sorry if it appears that I'm getting overly specific with this. Also were there ever any indications that certain countries wouldn't hold with the PACT for long if war actually broke out?

Bulgaria's communist leadership was extremely loyal and crisis free. It was created by avid Stalinist Georgi Dimitrov who while Bulgarian was a member of Stalin's inner circle. Dimitrov even advocated making Bulgaria a Republic of the USSR, but ultimately Stalin killed the idea over fears of it creating a war with Turkey.

The longest ruler of Communist Bulgaria, Todor Zhikov, was just as loyal to the USSR and followed Moscow's lead in any policy chances and shifts. Becoming Stalinist when Stalin demanded and destalinizing when Khrushchev demanded.

As a result, Bulgaria was treated with a greater level of "trust" than the other Warsaw Pact states and was given quasi-autonomy. They also had access to weapons systems the rest of the WP states got later or not at all, such as MiG-25's and S-300's.

As for countries not holding up with the Warsaw Pact, the Soviets were well aware of this threat. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Poland all had large Soviet garrisons that would rapidly take over the territory in the event of war and the satellite regime not complying with Moscow's demand. Bulgaria was always quite loyal, but the wild card was Romania. Ceausescu was in many ways a member of the Warsaw Pact in name only and probably wouldn't have fought NATO unless it was clear-cut aggression by the West.

>Come again? Leftists actually revere the leader of the Stasi?

The German Far-left still has a certain level of reverence for East Germany. In particular, the substantially influential pro-Palestinian and pro-refugee groups, the Greens, and so on. It's becoming weaker over time as the far left trades Marxist-Leninist Communism for a more modern vision of social justice mixed with idealistic Communism.

>>32604955
Interesting. Also I'm not sure how much you know on the topic but do you know if there's still any large-scale communist sentiment in any of the Eastern European countries? Also how far behind is East Germany compared to West Germany today (in terms of regions, not meaning countries)

>>32604955
>idealistic communism
>idealism

this is the work of those fucking Social Democrats, goddamn centrists

>>32605059
Communism is extremely unpopular outside of Russia in Eastern Europe today, the ideology is basically seen as a tool of foreign domination and repression. In places like the Baltics they'll essentially arrest you for being a Communist. Moldova, a former Soviet Republic, recently elected quasi-Communists to power though and Belarus is still essentially Communist in all but name only.

As for East vs West Germany today, they were in essence two different countries at the time ore reunification much like North and South Korea, with the capitalist counterpart drastically ahead of the communist one. Today there are still differences and the admittedly "ugly" Communist architecture still plagues must of eastern Germany. But it has taken decades, and the German Federal government and effort of the locals has allowed it to notably lessen the gap between East and West.

Interestingly enough Eastern Germany still votes fairly left-wing, with Merkel (an East Germany herself) finding much of her powerbase and support there. This is opposed to Bavaria, which is essentially the Texas of Germany. A bastion of conservatism (for European standards) that acts quite independent and often defies the Berlin government. Bavaria's current President has refused Muslim migrants, for instance.

>>32582375
>>32582533
>>32582733
>>32582869
can you put Yugoslavia and Albania even they are not Warsaw pact? they would probably join the warsaw if war ever happened as their gov were socialist/communist

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>>32577690
Godmode uniforms

>>32577804
>based Polaks

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>>32606562
>they would probably join the warsaw if war ever happened as their gov were socialist/communist
that's an awfully simplistic way of looking at political alliances. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing their stats too.

pic tangentially related

>>32602406
>somehow knew how to trigger an autist in the future

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For all of you fags interested in this sort of thing, there's a great show on Hulu that is extremely well written and shot.

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>>32607156

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>>32607170
prove afghan war didn't have the coolest uniforms
>you cant

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>>32607181
VDV

>>32577690
damn I took a picture of that in Apr 1980
recognized it right away.

>>32608128
I always wonder about Cold War era Soviet web gear.

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>>32608175
What about it?

>>32608239
Just the general stuff: how many models issued and what kind of accessories came with it. Sorta difficult. Most of the time i just see the chest rig.

>>32586890
>"Just let me fucking leave already" the photo

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>>32582869
We have less than 10 air-worthy fixed-wing aircraft now.

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>>32598813
Completely fucking erect

>>32606562
Except that Tito never really liked Stalin. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito–Stalin_Split).
And Yugoslavia was more on the neutral side anyways, since they were a part of the Non-aligned movement.

>>32582733

In 1989 Polish Il-14 and MiG-15/17 were long gone (last was decommissioned in 1985).
Also An-12 were permanently grounded at this time, due to problems with servicing its engines.

Su-17 were never considered as spearate "trainers". Su-17UM3 (in Poland designated Su-20) were always part of regiments equiped with Fitters only

Also Polish AF never had 12 UB Fulcrums. They had around 12-15 MiG-29 in total, from which no more than 4 UB version. Later additional used MiG-29 were bought from Czech and Germany

In 1989 Polish Navy had Mod. Kashin class (proj 61E) not Kashin class (proj 56E) destroyer (ORP Warszawa)

This list is also lacking around 150 SA-3 (S-175) SAMs, which were (and still are) used by Navy

Fun fact: during its service in Polish Army OT-64 were never adressed by this name. Till the end of it service it was known as SKOT ("Sredni Kołowy Opancerzony Transporter" - Medium Wheeled Armored Transporter)

>>32579311
>>32579442
>>32594880
>Soviets actually believe that NATO will attack them
They had every reason to, allies started to plot on the Soviet Union even before the WWII ended.
>commies were always training defensive actions by skipping the defensive part and moving straight to counterattack
That's due to the structure of NATO. Rushing the Europe and cutting supplies from the US is the only sensible way to defend from an attack.

>>32606925
Soviet peaked caps are just too big
Germans had the perfect proportions in ww2

>tfw it was all for nothing

Curse that dog Gorby for going out like a bitch.

>>32610264
>east gets impoverished and breaks apart
>west carries on but becomes degenerate
it was pyrrhic

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>>32600285
Seconded. I have a shit-ton of debt and a pretty degree that doesn't help you get any kind of job. Don't do it.

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Both sides agreed to swap observer delegations constantly in order to get intel on each other. In one case a US delegate car was chased by a tank after they were spotted taking photographs in restricted zones.

This T-64A in germany was photographed by a US delegation in 1978

>>32610415
A guy died trying to spy on T-64s in 1982 i believe.

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If anyone is interested I can post some stats about the 20th Air Army in East Germany in the early 90s when I get home.

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>>32610971
Please do.

Warsaw Pact aircraft camo schemes are pure sex, btw.

>>32610268
>east gets impoverished
>former combloc still hasn't recovered economically from the dissolution of the soviet union

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>>32610998
Got split USA in 15 parts and cut most economic ties with Europe. We'll see low long will it take you to recover, cunt.

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Hungarian MiG-21 bump.

>>32577791
>Ceausescu
How do you says this? Is it like couscous?

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>>32582869
>>32583081
>>32583214

Bretty cool. Thanks for the dump, Anon.

>>32611298
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ro-Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu.ogg

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:DDDDDD-442 FUG

Were are the enmy targetsd :DDDDDD

>>32610998
we are WAY better off now than we were back then

>>32577791
> Danian
Dacian, you fucking mong

>>32586373
fun fact: you're a cunt who doesn't belong here
I know this because the RPG-7 series of rockets has a rather unusual characteristic - it steers into the wind, to such an extent that the windage adjustment on the launcher goes to +/- 35 degrees
very very hard to use properly, impossible to make a bullet that behaves the same
now fuck off off of my board

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More declassified US intel pics

>>32611416

>This is what happened when stray dachshund will fuck BRDM

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>>32577791

Nicolae. Pls, you're drunk. Go away. Nobody likes you.

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this taken by a french delegation

>>32610702
yeah he was just taken out back and shot, inna Red Army barracks in Germoney
the crazy bastard actually climbed inside of a tank

>>32611478
there is the funniest letter exchange in our archives where the Comintern berates Ceausescu for not paying his party membership dues and for how he dissembles and lies and fake-forgets and generally doesn't pay without actually refusing to pay

>>32611488
shilka makes my feely willy tingle-dingle

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>>32611514

Ceausescu tried to steal silver from the Buckingham Palace. Guy was pathetic and hilarious at the same time.

>>32611537
nah that was his gipsy wife
guy was, like, everything bad about Romanians rolled into one mouth-breathing dickhead

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>>32611537
also an unrepentant fudd

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T-72B of 1st GTD during excercises March 1987 Baltic Military District

the more advanced soviet tanks (T-72B, T-80U) did not make it europe before the collapse

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>>32611547
>>32611563

He also had some really bad paintings made of him. In a time when the fad of cults of personality was passing among Communist leaders.

>>32611537

I think the single use only tailor made suits and hunting hobby alone makes him hilarious. He and his buddies all but killed entire bear population of Romania, they started importing animals for The Genius of the Carpathians to shoot.

>>32611567
but this is wrong
there were T-80 in Germoney in 1989 (in 2 GTA iirc)

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>>32611601
that's an exaggeration, but he did shoot a lot of burrs

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T-55 in NVA service

The overwhelming number of tanks in non-soviet warsaw pact service were T-54/55s making their tank forces hopelessly obsolete during the later years of cold war

>>32611615

Only T-80B and T-80BV

>>32611626
yeah, correct, my bad
the fat short nigger is Idi Amin

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>>32611652
forgot my pic like a faggot

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HUNGARY STRONK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MruWeI5E18

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>>32611593
he really took himself very seriously, yes

>>32611686
at 0:48 you can see the effects of mass delusion

>>32611698

'River Guard' or Folyamőrség. Hungarian marines.

>>32586856
>You could have seen whole Regiments armed with old Mausers from WWI
No. Romania had licensed the AKM from Russia and was even exporting them (and the PSL) to various sandniggers. There were plenty to go around.
also the "patriotic guards" were stood up in 1968, as a direct result of the events in Czechoslovakia
other than that, you are correct.

>>32611724
> marines
> landlocked country
pick one, and only one

>>32586716
"Ještěrka" :3
(Lizard)

>>32586716
> If we take the US out of the equation, that probably means West German/Danish/Dutch/French (maybe) tanks
you are of forgetting the British

>>32611748

River navies and gunboats are a thing.

>>32611748

>What is Danube?

Ever heard of these things called "rivers"? You know, lot of water flowing through the land in something akin to a channel? No? That's a pity...

>>32606962
>polaks
they're Bulgarian, note the Stahlhelm-like helmets and brown uniforms.

>>32611803
>What is Danube?
a river which flows into the Black Sea
do you know what a "sea" is? like your Balaton lake, but, like, much bigger, and with ships in it?
t. guy whose country has a real, if shitty, navy

>>32577690
Czechthem!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xO8UeiEYog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_u5JLKq2mU

>>32611853
2nd vid is rly comfy
too bad we reached image limit

>>32611892
New thread?

>>32583769
Poland would definitely have told the USSR to fuck off, Romania would try to do the same before discovering that Moscow didn't even invite them to the party, but you can be sure that Czechoslovakia, the DDR, and ESPECIALLY Bulgaria would have followed. Tough shit mate, they've got the best stuff and lots of it.
Fuck, the Bulgarians were so closely aligned towards the USSR that some Soviet diplomats and politicians found them too extreme.

>>32586815
>>32586762
Reminds me of a joke. Deng Xiaoping and Jarzuleski are discussing politics.

"So, comrade Xiaoping, how many dissidents do you think you have in China?"
"I don't really know... I'd say, 35-38 millions of them? And you, how is it in Poland?"
"Eh, more or less the same."


>>32608175
>>32608262
Until the 80s, you get mostly WW2 tier stuff. Fake leather belts and webbing, canvas pouches, a shovel, a canteen and a tent.

Then, they jump 40 years forward, and get the 6b3/4/5 series of vests, which work as both body armor and webbing, with pouches for a couple mags and grenades or similarily shaped accessories (tourniquets, medpacks). 4 mags isn't that big, so in Afghanistan they wore that, plus a Chicom chest rig widened to take 6 mags instead of 3, and an old canvas pouch on the belt for 3-4 more mags. Fun fact, you can still see Russian forces with modular webbing, modern body armor, kevlar helmets and all of that jazz, with a 60s vintage canvas pouch hanging on their belt, because you never have enough ammo.

>>32611923
I don't have enough pics for a decent one. but feel free to

>>32611626
The warsaw pact were upgrading their T-54/55 to T-54/55AM standard.

Which was cheaper then buying a T-72M.

Soviet military was just a watered down version of Nazi military, style wise, weak

>>32613817
Utilitarian is also a style. I love the look of something that is build for war and not for parade.

>>32606562
Sure thing anon, here's Yugoslavia

Yugoslavia of course as we know nearly went to war with the USSR during the Stalinist era, but relations recovered quickly when Khrushchev came to power. How've ever Yugoslavia was highly critical of the Soviets interventions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia and were often supportive of the Chinese, which led to cold ties until Gorbachev who allowed for a drastic increase in the amount of weapons sold.

In a war between the east and west, Yugoslavia would have tried to remain neutral. It's army had reserve stockpiles of nearly every type of weapon the state had acquired dating back to even before WW2

>Ground Forces: 140,000 active, 450,000 reserve
-1,890 Tanks (365 M-84, 75 T-72M, 850 T-54/55, reserve stockpiles of 200 T-34, 100 M-47 Patton, 300 M-4A1/A3E4 Sherman)
-43 Light Tanks (13 PT-76, ~30 M3 Stuart's stockpiled)
-950 APC (420 M60P, 270 BOV. 60 BTR-40, 40 BTR-152, and 200 BTR-50 stockpiled)
-410 M80A IFVs
-136 BRDM-2 & 30 BRDM-1 armored cars, 90 M3 Halftracks stockpiled
-270 SPAAG (80 BOV 20mm, 130 M53/59 30mm. 60 ZSU-57-2 57mm stockpiled)
-100 SA-9 & 20 SA-13 Army air defense SAMs
-180 M36 Jackson , 113 M18 Jackson, 120 SU-100 tank destroyers stockpiled
-80 2S1 122mm SPH
-162 MLRS (150 M63 & M77 128mm, 12 M87 262mm)
-500 ZiS-2 57mm, Ex-Nazi 75mm pak-40, & ZiS-3 76mm AT guns stockpiled
-200 M-63B2 90mm AT guns stockpiled
-100 T-12 100mm anti-tank guns
-100 M2/101 105mm towed guns
-300 M-30 & D-30 122mm towed guns, 200 A-19 122mm stockpiled
-180 M-46 130mm towed guns
-~50 ex-Nazi sFH-18 150mm towed guns stockpiled
-90 M-84/D-20 152mm towed guns, 200 ML-20 152mm stockpiled
-50 M1/114 towed guns, 150 M59 Long Tom and 400 M114 155mm stockpiled
-25 M115 203mm towed guns stockpiled
-4 FROG-7 & 4 SCUD-B SSS, launchers
-3,700 AAA (2,300 M55 20mm, 400 61-k 37mm, 400 Bofors 40mm, 250 S-60 57mm. 100 52-k 85mm, 50 ex-nazi Flak 88mm, 200 M1 90mm/QF-3.7 94mm stockpiled

Part 2 below

>>32616257


>Air Force: 32,000 active, 27,000 Reserve
-16 MIG-29A/Ub
-112 MIG-21pf/m/bis/u
-50 J-22 Attack
-80 J-21 Attack
-60 G4 Super Galeb Light attack
-25 J-20 COIN
-24 J-21 recon
-20 J-22 recon
-18 MIG-21 recon
-6 yak-40 calibration aircraft
-71 transports (11 an-12, 15 an-26, 2 falcon 50 VIP, 2 Learjet 35 VIP, 6 PC-6)
-4 CL-415 firefighting aircraft
-190 trainers (80 G2, 70 utva-75, 40 utva-60)
-120 Gazelle scout & utility helicopters
-80 Mi-8 helicopters
-48 SA-2, 48 SA-3, 36 SA-6 SAM batteries

>Navy: 10,000 active, 43,000 reserve
-2 Kotor (koni) class light frigates
-2 koni class light frigates
-10 Osa-1 class missile boats
-6 Koncar class missile boats
-14 Shershen class torpedo boats
-2 Monar class ASW boats
-11 Mirna class patrol boat
-5 C-80 class patrol boat
-3 Heroj class submarines
-2 Sava class submarine
-6 Una class midget submarines
-4 Sirius class minesweepers
-4 ham class minesweepers
-1 siba class minelayer
-20 Type 21 Landing craft
-12 Type 22 landing craft
-8 Ka-25 ASW helicopters
-2 Ka-27 ASW helicopters
-4 Mi-14 ASW helicopters
-costal artillery (45 D-44 85mm, 50 M-30 122mm, 85 M-46 130mm, 85 D-20 152mm guns, some Flak 88mm in reserve)

River fleet was 4 Type 21, 3 Type 25, 2 Type 302 patrol boats. 6 nestin minesweepers, 4 Type 307 l

>Territorial defense forces: 860,000 on immediate recall, full strength of 1,500,000

>paramilitary
-15,000 border guards
-10,000 Security Police with BTR-60s & TABC-79
-~2 million civil defense volunteers

>>32616271
Albania. Albania under Enver Hoxha withdrew from the Warsaw Pact and sided with China against the USSR. They received huge amounts of Chinese aid. However after Deng Xiaoping relations with Albania deteriorated

Albanian doctrine was modeled along Maoist "people's war" concept. This included the construction of thousands of ineffective bunkers and the importation of more artillery systems then there were soldiers. As a result of this and budget shortages much of Albanias artillery was thrown away.

Information on how much equipment was in service is hard to come by due to the nature of the regime and poor maintenance.

>Army: 48,000 active & 150,000 reserves
-~300 Tanks (200 Type 59/T-54, 100 T-34)
-436 APC (86 Type 63, 150 Type 77, 200 BTR-40/152/Type 56)
-30 BRDM-1 armored cars
-100 SU-100 assault guns
-at least 11,000 towed guns stated to be in service or reserve in 1989. consisted of M-42 45mm AT guns, ZiS-3 76mm AT guns, D-44/Type 56 85mm AT guns, 50 100mm Type 86 AT guns, BS-3/Type 59 100mm AT guns, 122mm M-30/type 54/A-19 howitzers, D-74/Type 60 122mm field guns 150 M-46/Type 59 130mm howitzers, and D-20/Type 66/D-1/ML-20 152mm howitzers
-~100 Type 63 107mm MLRS
-50 SU-76 self propelled guns in storage along with 18 BM-13 Katyusha's
-around 1,000 AAA of 14.5mm ZPU/type 56, 80 23mm ZU-23-2, Type 65/74 37mm, S-60/Type 59 57mm, and 52-K/Type 56 85mm, KS-19/Type 55 100mm

>Air Force: 11,000 active, serviceability of aircraft in doubt
-11 J-7
-30 MIG-19/J-6
-35 MiG-17/J-5
-36 MIG-15/J-2
-13 An-2/Y-5 transports
-4 Li-2 transports
-6 Il-14 transports
-20 MIG-15, CJ-5, CJ-6 & yak-11 trainers
-20 Z-5 helicopters
-22 SA-2 Batteries

>Navy: 2,000 active
-29 Type 025 Huchuan Torpedo Boats
-2 Kronshtadt patrol boats
-6 Shanghai patrol boats
-2 PO-2 minesweepers
-2 Whiskey class submarines (serviceability in doubt)
-ZiS-3 76mm, Type 54 122mm, Type 59 130mm coastal guns

>paramilitary:
-5,000 Sigurimi troops
-7,000 frontier guards