civil war thread

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>>32570860
You mean war of northern aggresion?

>>32570907
Southies shot first.

>GOVERNMENT GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEE-
>We are, but it's gonna take a bit, some of this shit is pretty heavy
>-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32570860
Wrong side won
Europe should have taken notes
Generals incompetence is important to deal with
The union should have spent the extra money to field their troops with repeaters
Both sides should have tried and lower the amount of dieseases the men get

Rebs are still butthurt, but had some good points

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>>32570860
Which one, past or future?

>>32570950
>Wrong side won
why do you say that? so rich plantation owners could keep their slaves?

>Europe should have taken notes
what should they have taken notes on? tactics or weaponry?


>Generals incompetence is important to deal with
happens in basically every major war


>Both sides should have tried and lower the amount of dieseases the men get
medical care was primitive at the time. i dont think they fully understood how to prevent infections

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>>32570860
People weren't very Civil about it.

>>32570999
chekt

anyone have any good civil war movies? specifically looking for battles n shit

>>32570988
Different anon, but because maintaining the principle of exit is more important than some random slaves somewhere.

>>32570988
I say that because it would have either lead to a sperate union where people have more control over their government or a joined union that may of avoid failed policies

Both

Yeah i know. But it did seem like we had better or more competent generals after that

Still avoidable when you issue your soldiers better equipment like coats and put more emphasis on your logistics

first modern war in most ways

>>32570860
>back on track time lmoo
mini ball was a game changer

>>32570988
civil war wasnt just abooot the slaves, industry in the north and agricultural society in the south

>>32570907
Southies didnt use that flag faggot

Showed the south for what it really is. A bunch of traitors.

>>32571073
lol cool

>>32571045
>>32571068

>maintaining the principle of exit
what is this? never heard of it. is it the right of a state to leave the union?

people like to downplay the role of slavery but it certainly played a MAJOR role in the civil war.

>20 negro law
>rise of the KKK after the civil war
>poor conditions for freed blacks in the south post civil war (literacy tests to vote for example)

i cant think of a single major issue that caused the civil war more than south not wanting to give up their slaves. the south was afraid of the shift that losing their slaves would've caused

>>32571108
>literacy tests to vote for example
Only complete retards failed literacy tests. I think we should reinstitute them for everyone

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>>32570978
Beat me to it

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>>32571134
but anon das raycissed!

>>32571134
The test was to keep blacks from voting. The democrats ran the south post civil war and they tried their best to keep the black man down during reconstruction.

>be in south
>be white
>learned how to read between the ages of 8-17 depending on available resources

>be black
>no one to teach you
>no books to read
>all you could do is pick cotton
>some cases blacks were whipped for learning how to read

there were also poll taxes and in some south state there was a "law" that basically extended slavery under the name of 'apprenticeship'

Did john brown do the right thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jso1YRQnpCI

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Now I can post rare Civil War pictures.
Here are some ironclads allegedly firing at something during the blockade. Look at the one on the right.

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Allegedly Battle Smoke in the distance.

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>>32570860
>What does /k/ think of the american civil war?

600k white men die so niggers can kill some more in the centuries to come. so you tell me. I dream of going back in time with billions of burrets, AKs, PSLs, Glocks, Lance-grenade individuel Mle F1 mortars, tactical nylon, camo uniforms, night vision, antibiotics and other drugs and a few armoure vehicles to joing the CSA. I was writing a novel themes thusly but I was told such a thing already exists.

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Some faggots moves but there could be a battle in the background.

>>32570860
South had some of the greatest officers and field tactics in American combat history - Jackson's Shenandoah campaign is still studied today as it was practically flawless

North won with their superior production capacity + they sent endless waves of German and Irish immigrants into the meatgrinder, and won with sheer force of numbers - there's a reason Ulysses S Grant was called 'The Butcher'

>>32570907
this desu
war started basically the exact same way as the Revolutionary War, just replace Brits with Yankees

>>32571213
nigger loving faggot

>>32571089
secession isn't treason

they weren't trying to take control of the US,. they were trying to exit a union, perfectly valid given the way the north was acting (and still acts to this day)

>>32571042

Glory is a really good movie
Gods and Generals is a bit winded but a good movie too, far more comprehensive

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To all you fags arguing over "muh Southern freedom," "muh Northern Agression," "but teh slaves!"

The debate was over state's rights AND slavery.

The war was over secession. Lincoln couldn't allow half the country to just leave

>>32571251
Great book

>>32570988
Goddamn that's some good bait

>>32571850
Glory was a shit. The supposedly great 54th Mass. Infantry later used Confederate POW's as human shields like the worthless, cowardly nigger they were.

>>32572384
>Great book
I never read it because massiv butthurt

>>32570860
The south talked shit and got hit.

The weird thing is they still keep bitching about it. They act like fucking nignogs or injuns.

>>32571831
you mad rebel scum?

>>32570907
Can it, rebel scum. You fags should be grateful we let you stay a part in the best country in the world.

>implying the inbred cousin fucking southerners are any better than the melanin enriched men they owned.

Time to succeed from this thread.

>>32572207
Underrated post

>>32572207
Yes, secession rights was the legal core. But reason it ever became an issue in the first place was the slave economy.

>>32572207
whats funny about the whole "states rights" thing, is that both the north and south were trying to force new states to be either free or slave states without letting the new states decide for themselves

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>>32570950
>Both sides should have tried and lower the amount of dieseases the men get

this guy right here was pretty good at keeping his boys healthy (VD aside)...too bad he panicked at Chickamauga and had a break down afterwards.

>>32571059
>Yeah i know. But it did seem like we had better or more competent generals after that

for instance?

>>32571068
>civil war wasnt just abooot the slaves, industry in the north and agricultural society in the south

which is why Iowa and Vermont joined the south...

>>32570935
More like
>Plz stop union
>Ok we will stop
>Lincoln- hahaha fuck everyone, fuck laws, I'm God emperor now
>Fuck it we don't accept, get feds out of here
>yeah ok (doesnt)
>Fuck you well make you leave

>>32570999
YOU"RE GOING BACK!

>>32571797
>North won with their superior production capacity + they sent endless waves of German and Irish immigrants into the meatgrinder, and won with sheer force of numbers - there's a reason Ulysses S Grant was called 'The Butcher'

how is this meme not dead...the Rebs were the ones rolling the dice on the attack mostly (Shiloh, Seven Days, Perryville, Gettysburg, Chancellorsville, Atlanta, Chickamauga, Franklin, etc) sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't...but Confederate generals had no qualms about risking their troops in order to achieve the win.

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>>32572725
more like
>Slavers launch coup in Tennessee
>Slavers attempt coup in Missouri, Kentucky and Maryland
>Slavers deny Americans use of Mississippi river
>Slavers slaughter hundreds of loyal Americans throughout the South

pic related...should have shot Jeff Davis.

>>32570999
FUCK OFF CARLOS

>>32572884
>being retarded enough to think it was about slavery
Slavery played no role until the passing of the 13th amendment

How long would slavery had continued if the south won?

>>32573013
how in the fuck can you think that slavery played no role?

>>32573024
Slavery played as much as a role in the civil war as a racist youtube video of Muhammad did in the Bengahzi attack

>>32573049
slavery was the primary reason for the civil war

>>32573142
sure. and after the war the north was a multicultural utopia free of hate and all the nigger, pardon me, african americans, were treated well and as equals. day of the rope is for you too mate.

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>>32573142

>>32573013
then what....pray tell....was the cause of the war?

>>32573171
>>32573186
prove me wrong faggots

War should have ended by 1862 at the latest. But McClellan refused to commit his army and fight a decisive battle.

>>32573203
>prove God isn't real, check m8 atheists

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>>32573171
>day of the rope is for you too mate.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

like you could win a fight...

>bet anon isn't even an American

>>32573222
are you the same retard who said that slavery played no role in the cause of the civil war?

>>32570860
like ww1, but with blackpowder

>>32573244
>>32573203
>>32573186

senpai...we're being trolled.

>>32573264
i certainly hope so

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>>32573244

>>32573261
the eastern front maybe...Civil War was still mostly a war of maneuver. Only thing was the Union could never force a battle of Sedan. Little Mac had a chance (or 2) but he lacked the sand.

>>32573275
yep....half my family is southern and why they are proud of their history (generally speaking) and proud of the fight they put up during the civil war and while its true that many, many southerns fought for reasons aside from slavery they all understand that slavery was the major cause of the conflict.

>>32573024
because he's retarded

>>32573171
racism and slavery are two different things. The french think they are better than the spanish and that they moorish trash but they won't enslave them. Likewise in the minds of some at the time it was both immoral to enslave somebody but at the same time immoral to grant them the same rights. There is a huge difference between 2nd class citizenship and slavery.

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>>32573346

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>>32573171
you can hate slavery and still be very, very racist.

>pic very much related.

>>32573390
Thankyou for posting Sherman before some /pol/tard did.

>>32573355
bingo...many Northerners didn't give a shit about black people but despised slavery as a corrupt, inferior and regressive system.

>which is all true.

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>>32573407
you're welcome...

>>32570860
>>>32573222
See

>>32572690
>which is why Iowa and Vermont joined the south...
...You mean the North?

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What's /k/'s favorite uniform from the war?
My favorite is the Iron Brigade's.

>>32573436
Every civil war thread gets ruined by some asshole that either spams the thread with Sherman shitting over every comment that is constructive or does this
>>32573244
I'm 99% sure it's the same dude

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>>32570860
Northern burger here, I never really cared or had a whole lot of interest for the ACW, WWI is my cut off interest wise and possibly Spanish American war. I know enough to get by but I'm not super knowledgeable like some folks.

For me the best things about the ACW are
>the Hunley
>all the generals would be named for WWII tanks

In college I had no problem with remembering the general names and for short hand in my notes would look something like

>M4's march to the sea
>M5 arrived at Gettysburg
>M36 was fatally wounded at Chancellorsville
>M3 L surrendered to M3 G at appomattox creek

>>32570860
>>M3 L surrendered to M3 G at appomattox creek
I kekd

>>32573477
>myth about the civil war being pastoral vs industrial
>which is why pastoral states like Iowa, Indiana and Vermont joined the Confederates.
>and industrializing states like Louisiana and Virginia joined the Union.

see why the myth is bull-shit...?

>>32570860
The first modern war, and a good study of how tactical success doesn't necessarily translate into strategic success.

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>>32573482
northern bro here but the Rebs just looked /fa/ as fuck...

>>32573533
I took a whole class in High School about the Civil War. The teacher was into it hardcore. He reenacted so he would wear uniforms and even brought in a musket to shoot and toy ones to show the class how lined battle formations worked, that was in 2012 so I don't know if he still does it.

>>32573021
not long niether would the csa sadly

>>32573533
>>M5 arrived at Gettysburg
ha!

>>32573591
Consarnit, sonny, ye call that /fa/ hoo-ee, durn reprobates, durn ken

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>>32573595
>yfw French dickery in post CSA win North America kicks off WW1 in 1870.

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John Brown did nothing wrong.

He deserves his own public holiday.

>>32573646
the first lumber-sexuals.

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>>32573672
>>32573646
>>32573591

pic of the confederate occupation of Portland.

>>32572602

Don't forget that the extant states were also trying to force each other to abide by their own rules
>butthurt southies kept whining that escaped slaves were treated like human beings in northern states
>nothern states prob pulled some shit, but I can't recall it off the top of my head

more white men died for the cause of freeing black Americans than for any other war in our nation's history for any reason and they are ungrateful as fuck.

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>>32573653
uniforms looked so good back then, also post your favourite officers
Camille Armand Jules Marie, Prince de Polignac

>>32573700
So when people say they're slaves to a good cappacino, they're being a bit more literal than we realise?

>>32573660
Our first domestic terrorist.

he did HF/59

god bless his soul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSn3NddwFQ

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Posting colorized photos.

Abraham Lincoln assassination conspirator Lewis Powell in custody. April 14, 1865

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wish everyone knew the truth about it

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>>32573773
Sherman

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>>32573734
>1870....France vs Prussia

the most aesthetic war in history.

>>32573779
Everyone does. We're just not allowed to talk about it in public.

>>32573788
>>32573773
These are really, really cool.

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>>32573788
A dead Confederate soldier in Devil's Den, Gettysburg, July 1863.

This is actually a staged photo - the photographer moved the body a day or two after he died.

>>32573773
>assassinates muh heart

>>32573820
>fake news
God time never changes does it

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>>32573793
>tfw war will never be aesthetic ever again
>ywn fight for God, king and country
>ywn achieve colonial glory
>ywn face a hostile spear, a new frontier
>tfw uniforms will never be colorful or distinct ever again
>tfw war will never be glorious again
it hurts

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>>32573812
my favorite....Custer was pretty /an/

>>32573812
Yeah, I find color adds an odd humanization to these photos.

If I can find it, I'll post the one of Custer and his men. Blew me away when I realized they were younger than I am now.

>>32573840
Oh, someone beat me to it.

>>32573820
>he photographer moved the body a day or two after he died.

yuck...poor guy would have be bloated as fuck.

>>32573773
What did they use in their hair back then?

>>32573846
>Blew me away when I realized they were younger than I am now.

they look like grad-school room-mates.

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>>32573837
>If I die I will be well dressed

>>32573859
oil of some sort. Sometimes olive mixed with a bit of water or pulverized rose hips

>>32573859
I know right, mother fucker looks like a GQ model, I'm guessing Lard?

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>>32573859

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Colonel Frederick George D’Utassy, 39th New York Infantry “Garibaldi Guard”

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>>32571177
>tfw Memphis
I'm scared for my future kids

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>>32573853
>>32573846
Rebs still look better...

>>32573660
looks a bit like David Bowie

>>32573922
magnanimous facial hair

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Another Sherman

Bryan Cranston should play him in a biopic.

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>>32573846
>Blew me away when I realized they were younger than I am now.

It's amazing to think how much people accomplished in their life while being so young prior to the 20th century.

We've reached the point in modern society where men have their adolescence functionally extended into their fucking thirties.

>tfw this was made by a 23 year old

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>>32573937
Major General John Sappington Marmaduke (CSA)

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>>32573837
>mfw I will never be a German Officer in 1871 full of pride for the past and optimism for the future.

>>32573962
To be fair, Custer was pretty much an adolescence until his 30s.

>>32573982
*adolescent

>>32573962
we do live longer now though. It was easier to justify doing things early when you could die of diarrhea the next day or get bitten by a mosquito and dying of infection.

There is some degree of modern mans worth being less and less associated with what we knew as "manly" due to culture as a whole becoming more and more comfortable with the status quo. I'm 32 years old and i had to teach one of my peers how to swing and sharpen a felling axe. that in itself is kinda sad

>>32573979
lol that wall in the background is fake. dunno why that brings a smile to my face

>>32573982
I think the dude gets a bit of a bum-rap. The idea of the plains tribes standing to fight against, let alone beating the shit out of, nearly 800 US army troopers was laughable prior to July 1876.

>>32570950
>> The union should have spent the extra money to field their troops with repeaters

The breech loading carbines of Gen John Buford's cavalry brigade provided 2x-3x the firing rate of Confederate muzzleloaders. This extra firepower on the first day of Gettysburg might reasonably be credited with securing the high ground that ensured a strategic win in the battle.

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>>32574014
Pretty much the standard for studio photos back in the day.

Samuel Arnold, a conspirator in the plot to kidnap President Abraham Lincoln, was arrested with the other men involved in the assassination plot, seen here April 14, 1865

>>32573779
that it's a naval battle jack that was revived as a joke for a TV series and then taken seriously by a bunch of necks and subsequently outraged basketball americans?

I think we know...

>>32574043
we still do it in the cremed corn today.

I'd post my command and staff board photo with the fake flags behind it if i wasn't afraid of someone recognize me

>>32574014
cause it's fun...

>>32574033

no it wasn't. the tribes had many, many successful operations against federal troops
800 warfighers against similar odds was exactly what it turned out to be, a failure of leadership and tactics. Custer was a dipshit and a retrospectively, a monster.

>>32573142
No it wasn't. It was about the Southern states not recognizing Lincoln's victory, later, Lincoln rolled out the emancipation act to boost numbers and shitfuck the southern economy.

I mean sure, slavery played a large factor in North-South tensions before the war and thereafter, but it certainly wasn't the reason for the first shot or the subsequent first shots

>>32570950
>Wrong side won

in war, what you have said is simply a contradiction in terms.
in other words, you are stupid.

also good to know you are on the side of slavery, misery and feudal caste systems instead of the American Way.
>why not move to russia or kys, dickbird

>>32574099
And why did they not recognize his victory? Oh yeah, slaves.

Fucking retard southies trying to revise history.

"it about muh states rights"

"oh, what right are you trying to preserve?"

"...slaves"

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>>32570860
>Pic related is given command of the Army of the Potomac after Second Bull Run...what changes?

>>32570907
No, the war of putting those pansy ass cotton farmers in their place.

>>32570860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q--iGgtRn8

>>32571067
Not necessarily the first "modern" war, more so the first war to show that line infantry tactics are obsolete and just result in higher casualties.

At Least for the Americans.

>>32574181
>railroads, ironclads, telegraphs, aerial reconnaissance, trench warfare

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Abe Lincoln, 1860

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>>32574200
Abe Lincoln, 1865

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>>32574156
yea ok

>>32571213
yep
>>32571815
pussy that can't stand up for what they believe, how's that feel, pusspuss?

>>32574090
>no it wasn't. the tribes had many, many successful operations against federal troops

they did...but the Northern Plains tribes never gathered in the numbers to offer direct battle to that number of soldiers before.

even during Red Cloud's War the US army only had 700 soldiers defending the entire Bozeman trail.

the scale of the fighting on the Rosebud and Little Big Horn that summer had never been seen before in that part of the country.

>>32574099
you are retarded if you don't understand that the War was about slavery first, last and always

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Michael O'Laughlen, one of Booth's co-conspirators, photographed by Alexander Gardner aboard the U.S.S. Montauk or Saugus, April 27th 1865

They seem to be popular among photoshoppers.

>>32574232
Rebs were under counting:
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/153937334/professor-civil-war-death-toll-may-be-really-off

make sense since they were taking their most lop-sided losses towards the end of the war when shit was falling apart.

>>32574256

And Custer drove his command right into that mess with no back up and no plan. he is objectively a monster, responsible for the deaths of his men. fuck goldilocks right in the hienie. One of the worst military commanders in our history

>>32574288
i'm talking about kia deaths but yes in the long run confederates lost more men most sources say total loss of the war was 750,000 - 1,000,000 doubt it was any where near 1mil though

>>32574307
I'm guessing the total death count for the war, including civilian losses due to starvation, disease and general privations of war was close to 1 million.

southern whites lost a higher % of their population than france in ww1 which is staggering.

>>32574305
>with no back up

huh? the summer 1876 campaign involved 3 army columns of which Custer and the 7th were one. the survivors of Little Big Horn were relieved the next day by Terry's column arriving from Montana.

Crook's column would have been on scene as well but for his defeat at the Rosebud...a defeat Custer didn't know about.

>>32573187
Jewish tricks

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>>32570907
We need another william sherman.

>state rights trump human rights
>It was about commodity exports not slavery
>the south didn't shoot first
>Lincoln was a bad president
that being said
Lee was a smart dude.

>>32571068
I dont wanna be a dick, but its Minnie ball.

>>32574798
This time could we have him burn Sacramento and L.A. instead?

>>32574869
>I dont wanna be a dick, but its Minnie ball.
I don't want to be a dick, but it's Minié or Minie ball. :^)

>>32575001
Constructive Criticism. Now u know how to spell it

>>32571831
>one nation, indivisible

Doesn't matter if the specific wording is from after the war, it has been a very clearly understood sentiment since the founding of the nation. Anyone attempting to leave is a traitor, opposed to American values, and deserves nothing more than to be driven in to the sea.

The only mistake was letting southern subhumans surrender.

>>32571042
Ken Burns's the Civil War is probably one of the best Civil War documentaries ever made. It's a series though. If you want a movie, I thought Gettysburg was really great.

>>32573390
Is he /our/ guy?

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I actually just found out about this game today and it looks awesome. Can't wait for early access.

>>32573421
Even Lincoln didn't give much of a fuck either way...


>I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was."
>If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them.
>If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them.
>My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery.
>If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
>What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
>I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.
>I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

>Linky-poo

(Excerpt from a letter to Horace Greeley, Aug 1862)

>>32574043
Looks like a Turkish barber I went to.

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>>32572207
>"I've always understood that we went to war on account of the thing we quarreled with the North about. I've never heard of any other cause than slavery." - Col. John S. Mosby

>>32573720
Bleeding Kansas

>>32571251
one of the most fun reads ive had

>>32573859
>>32573894
>>32573900
or you know, they didn't shower every day...

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>>32573482
Louisiana Tiger zouaves

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>>32572207
>Lincoln couldn't allow half the country to just leave
>Britain couldn't just allow their North American colonies to just leave

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>>32573837
>tfw war will never be aesthetic ever again
we just have to wait about 38,000 more years anon

>>32573962
well, you also have to remember that outside of well off families, you had to grow up and take responsibility much sooner, so your "childhood" is cut shorter. Not to mention if you didn't have tv/internet/video games/etc to distract and most of your efforts and years go into your craft, you're going to come out much more developed in said craft than modern day equivalent in terms of age.

>>32573203
Not those anons, but...

Slavery was more of a catalyst than a major underlying cause. The North and South have always been at odds before the abolitionists had a major play. South saw that the Union favored the North more than the South, and North saw that the South were whiny assholes and weren't satisfied with their share in government.

The South essentially wanted more state's rights and the ability to expand their economic power, and the North saw that as the South giving the bird to them.

Biggesy mistake in US history. We should've deported the nogs after the war when we had the chance.

>>32570950
>Europe should have taken notes
Prussians did tho

>>32576438
>South saw that the Union favored the North more than the South

how...?

>>32576438
slavery was the issue the major issue that not only defined the civil war but most of American political history from 1816 on-ward.

There can be no doubt that Mississippi, South Carolina, Alabama, Florida and Texas seceded because Lincoln was a member of an anti-slavery party. South Carolina was pretty much led by absolute mad-men and the other big cotton states went along.

Virginia, North Carolina, and Arkansas seceded after the war had already started in protest to the demand they provide volunteers.

I'm pretty sure Louisiana drunk seceded and regretted it as soon they sobered up.

Tennessee never really fully seceded and like Missouri, Maryland and Kentucky the internal conflict between pro-union and pro-secession populations guaranteed a war.

New England got their panties in a bunch over the attack on Ft. Sumter, but many of the Mid-western states really lost their shit over the militarization of the Mississippi water-shed. They relied on the rivers to make their economy work.

Initially slavery was not the big reason people were shooting at each other but as the war went on it sure became THE big reason.

>>32570860
It needs to happen sooner.

>>32577457
Once the Emancipation Proclamation passed Slavery WAS the Issue. We can talk about Slave Rights and Economic Power, but both of those are firmly built upon the idea of Slavery (just read the CSA's constitution and what went on with any of the Compromises leading up to the war or the Ostend Manifesto)

It's the main reason Lincoln did it- it pulled any legitimacy out from underneath the Confederacy's rug.

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Slavery is more subtle now.

>>32574888
why not start in SF and march south to San Diego and just hit everything in between?

A boy can dream

>>32575842
ever play the mount and blade mod? More revolutionary war/war of 1812 era but it's close

>>32570860
>we want to own people
>you can't do that
>try and stop us, yankees
>ok

The end.

>>32577097
This, the Prussians crushed Austria because of the tactic of using the rail ways to out flank the enemy they learned from the south. also the needle gun

>>32577457
Literally every decision this country made after the Revolution can be viewed in the frame of "remove teepee" or expand slavery.

Fuck, we invaded Mexico just because the Southern states wanted more slave states to help balance out all them "Yankee liberals".

>>32579917
>this is what leftists think the war of northern aggression was about
lmao

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The starbuck chronicles were fun to read. People should check them out.

We need paintball muskets so we can properly reenact the war.

.
In1857, the financial leaders of the Canaanite powers, the House of Rothschild, assembled to celebrate the wedding of Lionel's daughter, Leonora, to her cousin, Alphonse, son of James de Rothschild of Paris. At this gathering, Disraeli said,
"Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild-a name famous in every capital of Europe and every division of the globe. If you like, we shall divide the United States into two parts, one for you, James, and one for you, Lionel. Napoleon shall do exactly and all that I shall advise him"(p. 228, "The Rothschilds," by John Reeves).

>>32580220
how does the erie canal relate to slavery?

>>32581039
>remove teepee
>acquire timber

>>32580875
>Disraeli

Palmerston was PM during the civil war.

>>32581053
oh by remove teepee you just mean expanding...yeah that was a pretty big deal.

>>32574798
The north were the aggressors

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>>32581064
PITT THE ELDER

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>>32581064
Smarten up faggot

>>32581160
>punches anon in face

>>32577378
Are you that fucking stupid?

>>32581203
without the Union the South would have been partitioned by various European powers so I ask again...how was the Union better for the North than the South?

>>32581203
>the house should be determined by total population, except indians, but including 3/5ths of slaves
>starts numerous wars to expand/protect slavery
>mandate free states and private citizens HAVE to return escaped slaves
They totes favored the North. You're right.

>>32581237
>>32581447

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>>32571073
What? How could you forget the Virginia "No Step On Snek" brigade's flag? It's in every history book!