Talk me into/out of the the M249s. I am sitting on the fence

>>32567481
Why would you ever want a 26 pound semi auto rifle?

>>32567495
Hey pussy, there's no way it weighs that much. Try taking like 10 pounds off of that.

Also it's highly unreliable when mag fed btw

>>32567481

You only get one of these if you were a SAW gunner and need to hang it in your office like an NCO sword or some shit. It's a collectible, nothing more.

>Hughes Amendment may be repealed by Trump or Right supreme court
>Can buy actual machine guns with the money
>can Take the 8k, invest it in the stock market, and make much more money to buy better funs

The gun is overpriced

>>32567512
>>32567512
Or I can just buy it because I think its a unique thing to have? Its not like I plan on buying it to run a 3 gun course with.

>>32567513
FN charges the military around 4100(?) per 249 so even if Hughes was repealed (and I hope it is) it would still be worth something given the cost of the parts.

>>32567513
You'd probably be able to modify them legally if that was the case given some special closed bolt trigger group you can get.

>>32567512
Saw gunners hate it

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>>32567481
>buying a semi auto LMG

>>32567808
>saw gunners hate it

until they get to use it. That being said, the 240 is better in every conceivable way. the Mk.48 is a nice stopgap though

>>32567841
>buying semi only tactical rifles

>>32567867
What's the chances FN makes a semi 240?

>>32567867
Agree, if you need to lay down machine gun fire 5.56mm is not the round you want but I think the Ultimax 100 LMG is the best example of a 5.56mm machine gun. Light recoil to go with a light round.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimax_100

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>>32567481

its not reliable at all whoever told you that shit probably wanted you to dump 8 grand into a piece of shit brick

my m249 was a fucking mess, between snapping carry handles and busted gas tubes and having to pull cartridges out of the chamber with a fucking gerber tool, it just got worse

sheared piston heads, shaved bolt carriers, poorly welded receivers with shitty stamped metal and with the introduction of m855a1 these problems will undoubtedly surface 10% quicker now

comparing the PKM and the M249 is fucking stupid, that shit is like night and day.. you're better off getting a UKM Vz.59 clone from atlantic because they're kind enough to provide you ammo cans with non-disentigrating links with the gun, it's also nearly 2,500 cheaper and fires a round that quite easily shits on 5.56 distance-wise. Plus it's a milled gun.

belt-fed .30 cal guns are accurate and you can take them past 600 yards, holding over a stream of 5.56 rounds past 600 yardss with an M249 is a struggle in comparison

>>32567927
You can still use a rifle as a rifle. You can't use a semi auto LMG as a rifle, or as an LMG. You just bought a real expensive paperweight.

>>32567541
>would still be worth something given the cost of the parts.
When will this meme end?

>>32567997
>Plus it's a milled gun.
You think this is a plus because?

>>32567997
>didn't post a pic of the 249s he supposedly owned

B8

>>32567541
Now why the hell wouldn't you take it to a 3 gun match?

>>32568319

judging by how he mentioned the introduction of M855A1, i think he "owned" it as a service weapon.

>>32568204
>a semi belt fed can't put down a continuous stream of fire

Yea it's not as effective as a full auto but the same could be said for owning a semi M4 for clearing a house.

>>32567481
you could buy a transferable class 3 for the price. granted it was prob made in the last century.

>>32567997

Gee, what happens when an army NEVER bought the long term maintenance kits offered by FN-H and fails to properly maintain their guns?

>>32568748
The list of problems he posted would mostly NOT be addressed by maintenance kits.

Unreliability is not acceptable in a combat weapon.

OP wants a toy so he should buy it. Guns to men are like shoes to women.

>>32568711
All of the sub 10k FA weapons are stupid shit like mac10s. Although a FA MG08/15 is only around $12,000 which is what I am also debating since it is only $4500 more than a semi 249s

>>32568852
Originally the 249 had good marks for reliability from the belt (the mag is mostly an afterthought since it is a LMG). Most of the current complaints come from a shitty maintenance schedule much like what happened with the M60.

> buy belt fed ar upper (I would go with 9mm for ammo price)
> get bump fire stock

Problem solved, you now have a belt fed weapon that fires a cheap bullet and is legally rapid fire for about 2000 dollars

>>32569761
But that's just some bastardization of an AR. Not a complete weapon system

>>32567481
While I think it would be a really nice collectors piece I can't help but think the price is too high. Maybe if it was closer to $4000

>>32567481
How is disintegrating a negative?

>>32570006
You have to link them

>m249
>reliable

Pick one

>>32568711
If it's tranferable, it was made in the last century by definition.

>>32570006
You have to laboriously asemble your belt one link at a time, and after you shoot you have twice as much shit to clean up.

>>32568204
>You can't use a semi auto LMG as a rifle
speak for yourself

>>32571723
>5MOA accuracy

Lol

>>32568539
>Full auto more effective for CQB
>Full auto more effective for anything NOT specifically related to suppression

You need to play less CoD and lurk moar.

>>32571796
>SMGs like the MP5 and Glock 18 have full-auto settings for suppressive fire
>not for putting lots of bullets into a nearby target in short order
OK

>>32569761
Bumpfire stocks and binary trigger systems fot M249s when?

>>32567927
Ohio ordinance makes a semi 240. Or they did at least. But it was $13k last I checked.

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>>32567481
>Full size
No thanks, give me a version of pic relaed with magazine comptibility and a 16" Barrel (With SBR options) and then we'll talk

>>32567481
I think it's awesome. Too much money though

>>32567481
>very reliable
You dont know that at all. By changing it from open bolt to closed, they've basically made a whole new gun. This is uncharted ground, it could be a complete PoS.
>other semi-belt feds cost around the same (UK59, PKM)
Or the DSA RPD which is around $2k or the Shrike upper which is $3k. Shit, if youd been in the market 2 years ago, you could have gotten one of those Sabre uppers for a Mac 10 and gotten a full auto belt fed for $8k.

>>32571851
>He thinks anyone uses the MP5 on auto
>He thinks anyone uses the G18 at all
>He thinks Suppression happens in CQB
>He thinks semi-auto isn't always a better option

Read a fucking book.

>>32570971
Boooooooooom.

>>32571899
The Para Version is out

>>32571871
Itd be better if it was straight from FN, also fuck that price tag

>>32572124
The videos of them show them running pretty well in semi. I also already have a RPD semi, it is once of the very few semis that have a good reputation for reliability.

>>32572235
Gramps was a team leader in LRRPS in vietnam, standard issue for him was the CAR15. He swears by FA, says it saved his ass multiple times. According to him once you made contact it started by essentially just mag dumping into the jungle until you could get to a defensive position/extraction zone

>>32567808
my team opted to have one lucky fellow carry a 240 around. 249 stayed locked up most of the time.

>>32567481
Isn't there a closed bolt machine gun the Army uses or something?
Why didnt FN use that instead.?

>>32572454
>The Para Version is out
brb getting my new home defense raifu

>>32571723
>>32571771

lmao yeah lets see those MK12s touch out to 1100 meters

oh right they're fucking .22s they dont go that far, ayyyy lmao

>>32572507
The Maxim is closed bolt kek

>>32572454
>gramps was lrrps
Bullshit

>>32572518
Para version is ugly as fuck IMO

>>32572908
Vltor makes an adapter so you can put an M4 stock on it.

>>32567481
If you got a belt fed boner look at the fightlite MCR upper. There's also some belt fed AR upper that shoots 9mm.

>>32573030
>fightlite MCR upper
That looks suspiciously similar to the Ares Shrike.

>>32573004
You can just buy the normal stock for it or the little weird adjustment AR style stock off of GunBroker

>>32567481
>semi
>beltfed

Why?

>>32575690
His inalienable right as a free American do to dumb shit just because he is free and no one can tell him otherwise or take that freedom to do all that dumb shit away or they are enemies of the Constitution and un-American and they probably live in some Eurofag country anyway so they wouldn't understand why it's so fucking important to be able to buy this absolute piece of shite mod of an LMG to use in semiauto mode just because of the freedom and liberties.

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>>32567513
>trump
>pro 2nd amendment
>actually thinks the NFA or Hughes will even be glanced at

>>32575703
Someone is jealous of Americans

>>32571851
>Names two COD guns.

>>32572454
>Assaulting through an ambush and breaking contact is the same as anything else in combat at all.
No. Sorry kid.

>>32575714
>What is Trump Jr and his lobbied NRA coalition
Hughes not likely, but suppressors and having SBRs and SBS removed from the NFA is a possibility, with some import bans being repealed (Specifically, Obama's import ban on Korean CMP garands and M1 carbines)

>>32576651
>Obama's import ban on Korean CMP garands and M1 carbines
Why did KANG nigger ban Korean Garands/M1's? They are probably so beaten up that you have to buy 10 to make one functioning one, what the fuck.

>>32567997
no one cares about your "army hand me down beat to shit by dumb jarheads" 249.

this is a conversation about brand new, FN factory made, closed bolt semis.

its comparing apples and oranges and is you cant see that then you're either retarded or a jealous poorfag

>>32568204
>cant use a gun with a rifled barrel as a rifle

nigger logic

>>32576667
The state department has to approve it so this is another strike against Hillary and her cohorts actually

>>32570418
your laziness disgusts me

>>32571870
249 is likely way to heavy to work to work well with a bumpfiring system.

>>32567481
C L O S E D B O L T

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>>32568319
>reading comprehension

>>32576750

this just screams civilian

jarheads get broken army shit not the other way around and if the full auto open bolt version has cook offs and all sorts of problems with shitty welded receivers and jamming then i imagine the civilian version is not going to be that much greater

fact is the M249 is just not worth what they're asking for it and closed bolt machineguns that are semi-auto are just absolutely ludicrous retarded.. you also need to find non-disentegrating links if you want to keep your sanity to continue shooting this firearm regularly for recreational purposes

its not 'apples and oranges' it's moldy lemons to fresh lemons. fact is nobody likes to eat lemons except masochists and weirdos, which is what you'll be if you buy a semi-auto M249

>>32567508
I feel like it would be better in semi automatic. The only issues I've had were due to the cyclic rate being too high (couldn't lower any further) and the bolt was travelling faster than the follower could feed rounds

>>32577317
Fact is grunts are just as fucning retarded as jarheads. When it isn't your money and uncle sams replaces your fuckups people have no need to properly care for a gun like a civilian who spent 7500 would.

>>32577391
How do you adjust the cyclic rate?

>>32577636

yes grunts and jarheads give zero fucks if their weapons function when they're being shot at, good call anon you're clearly in the right mindset with this train of logic

fucning dense cunt

>>32577317
They can't shoot a belt that doesn't disintegrate

>>32577243
every gun that isnt registered must be closed bolt in the US

>>32567541
>>32567541

Here is a guy running a course with one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaECOCVSCJM

>>32578785
Holy fuck it jams more than the military one

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>>32578785

>FN's face

>>32578785
Is this real? It cant be this shitty, I mean it cost fucking 8k

>>32568204
this is the most retarded post I have ever seen.
obvious noguns is obvious.

>>32570418
have to load non disintegrating too, moron.

>>32571714
have you thought about collecting Barbie dolls?

>>32579287
yes, it can be. the people that will blow 8k on it will blow more money to get it to work. it's not meant to be practical.

>>32571871
$16,000.00 actually.

>>32573396
I think they changed their name for whatever reason.

>>32577317
derp the post. admit it kid you know nothing about guns

>>32579409
sure kid

>>32577317
you just described every military clone.

>>32577317
>jarheads get broken army shit not the other way around.

English must not be your first language, huh?

>>32577317
you're just pissed because you cant afford fresh lemons

when life gave you lemons, you made margaritas because all you had was salt

>>32578842
>>32578890
>>32579287

when he ran it with the belt it ran fine,

when he inserted a mag is when it started getting feeding issues.

thats consistent across the board with all 249's open or closed bolt, from what everyone everywhere says.

MAC did a review and it seemed to run fine from a mag, but chewed the mag up a little, also consistent with the platform.

lesson, dont use 249s with magazines uness you have too

>>32579411
and they're not reliable.

>>32579540
Instead burn 7,000 dollars on a HK 416 with a ACOG and pretend it's a M27. You can still be a richfag and practical.

>>32579732
yeah, but it doesnt look like a rolex

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>>32579732
They are nowhere near that expensive. I've got a total of 4500 in my Mr762 and that rifle alone runs almost $1k more than the mr556

>>32580222
>shit scope

>>32579540
I saw at least 6-8 stoppages while he was running on the belt.

>>32581801
I couldent tell when he switched. Although I did notice that whenever he manually cycled it I did not see a link fly out.

>>32576651
>Hughes not likely, but suppressors and having SBRs and SBS removed

Trump jr never said any of this

>>32577391
The normal cyclic rate is fine, it's just that grunts like to set the adjustable gas system to "adverse conditions" which overgasses the gun and increases the fire rate

>>32581828
For example, the course that starts with the swinging targets, there's a stoppage, then a bunch of shots with links being ejected, interrupted by more stoppages.
It looks like he started each stage on the belt, then reloaded with a magazine any time he had to swtich back to the SAW after trensitioning to pistol.

If this was the 240 I would already own it even at this price. But fuck that being 556

>>32581901
If the day requires a SAW, then it's pretty adverse, isn't it? I mean, that's way worse than requiring an AK.

>>32577243

How the fuck does that even work on a 249? All the trigger does is release the bolt.

>>32567481
>8 thousand dollary doos

You could buy a fucking R A R E dragunov with that much money.

Buy something rare like a Rhodesian CZ75 short rail and build a Rhodie FAL.

If your autism won't be satisfied without a semi auto muhchine gun durrr, then get an AES10B and some 75 round drum mags.

Jesus Christ, we all know you're not a rich fag because this is the dumbest fucking question of all time.

W-wait....are you.......A-Alex from TFB?

>>32568986
>MG08/15

if the mg08/15 is anything like the vickers, get it. unlike modern machine guns and automatic rifles, the old world war one machine guns were intended and designed to be fired cyclically.

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>>32584988
so today was a good day?

>>32581851
>Hughes not likely, but suppressors and having SBRs and SBS removed from the NFA is a possibility
>possibility
>What is the lobbied NRA coalition working witb SilencerCo to pass the Hearing Protection Act that's currently gaining traction into congress soon
Work on that reading comprehension. I never said things that came out of Jr.'s mouth

>>32587099
If it was Alex he would already have it and would be posting it next to his RARE RARE RARE rifle collection and all of his H&K shit.

>>32567867
Eh. I would agree, but clearing houses with a 249 is possible. Clearing them with a 240 would be fucking retarded.

>>32579474
I like this

>>32578785
Is that a bolt action m249s ?
Very impressive, a must buy OP !

Get yourself the MG08/15

>>32587099
seven thousand actually. I sold my aes 10b to buy it.
I'm moving into belt feds and the M249 is available that's why I bought one.
its really not hard to understand unless you're a moron.

>>32578785
>stanag mags in the m249
its sooooooooo bad. why the fuck would they approve that shitty solution, no way in hell that shit got through its validation

>>32567481
go for it OP. I sold a bunch of shit I wasn't shooting to get mine. $6999.99 on gunbroker is the best I've seen so far.

>>32567481
if it's not full auto then don't waste your time

>>32588749
full auto is $40,000.00 and a class three dealers license.
was there a point to your post?

>>32589451
I believe his point started after the word "then"

>>32590911
I'm sorry I thought his point was to be a whiney bitch like everyone else in this thread.

>>32591472
The gun isn't very good, certainly not good enough to justify the price tag.

>>32591574
so you have one then?

>>32591740
Not him, but I've used it. Nobody who's spent any time with them likes them, and if you're removing the ONE redeeming quality of the weapon (belt fed full auto) then what the everliving fuck is the point? Just get a full-size AR and save yourself a ton of money and grief.

Maybe if you only wanted it to sit on a shelf and look cool, but there's so many other, better things you could buy with the money.

>>32592118
/thread

If the M249S were actually good, people would be bitching about how it isn't a faithful representation of the real deal.

>>32567481
>very reliable
>reliable

no

Used them in the field and no. There are not at all.

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>yfw the marines are switching their m249s for the m27 "LMG"
>Thee m27 is literally just a hk416, complete with 30rd mag
>Their LMG went from 200rds to 30

What the FUCK were they thinking?

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>>32567481
get it for the belt fed paint balls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ckH5184Z7s

>>32589451
That sounds unreasonably expensive. Like "I'd rather rob a gun dealer store" expensive.

Incidentally, what kind of security do most gun stores have, beyond the armed staff and customers?

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>>32597441
>HK M27 IAR
what does it do that a m16a3 does not ?

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>>32597471
silent alarms
multiple security cameras
bolts and or firing pins stored separately from guns
gun safes and trigger locks
locked ammo cabinets
electromagnetically locked steel doors
barred windows

but really it depends on how lazy the shop owner and governing enforcement body's is

>>32597441

Reason they always say in these discussions is "more accurate suppressive fire is more effective than volume of fire", "Allows the gunner to operate in close quarters with rest of squad", I think something about greater compatibility with other guns in that 249 had trouble or finnickiness with stanags?

Mind you I agree with you. I am firmly convinced the next conflict will take place in a location where you aren't doing long-range hillside Afghanistan shooting and instead volume of fire will be important once again and they'll go "oops".

At the very least I would have commissioned Magpul or someone to rapidly produce an efficient Cmag or Drum or boxmag compatible with the M27 and AR platform so you can have a higher volume with the M27.

>>32597588
If I had to give you my best guess, I'd say it would be that the M27 has an MOA of 2, while the M16 is probably like 4 or something.

>>32597682
Next conflict? I think that will still be in the middle east.

>>32597391
>>32567997
>>32568852
>my company had brand new SAWs and I was completely unaware of the M249 is shit meme until long after I ETSed
>I carried the SAW for a year and a half during my enlistment
>the only misfires I had were because of rounds in the canvas pouches sliding up or down in the belt and getting stuck in the feed or because the belt got caught on something

The SAW really isn't shit if it's been maintained

>>32597441
>marines
>thinking

>>32567481
Why do you keep posting this thread?

>>32567481
bro just get a negev it's a little more but it's way better

>>32567508
>>32567495
>>32567481
Why the fuck would you buy a semi-auto SAW? Are you going to go out and buy a Vector too?

>>32576651
>MUH ERIC
lmao

>>32597718

I am normally not superstitious but I do believe firmly in both murphy's laws and the idea that hubris is punished (see Hillary).

In the case of the former I figure we'll have a war in some jungle fuckhole or urban centers where you aren't plinking at Mujahideen on the other side of a valley and instead now want a volume of fire. Not to mention the point told to me that "Suppression that is more accurate has more of an effect on a well trained soldier".

Great fucking news since you know we're more likely to be in a shooting war with the Chinese and Russians than we are more jihadist insurgents.

Granted as I understand it they still have M240 or M249s in stock, but I feel like vacillates on the issue of .45 to 9mm or low caliber vs high caliber. Marines have the whole spirit of the marksman so you run the risk of someone trying to pull the shit that was getting out of date back in 1918.

>>32599612
$6000.00 for a torch cut receiver.

>>32599960
no i can get a functional one for $5700 and it can kill someone in one hit unlike an m249

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Buy a Ares Defense MCR (fightlyte now) instead.
You can make it full auto with a registered ar15 lower, or bumpfire stock, or bumpfire trigger. Costs half as much. Quickchange barrels, mag or beltfed, AR15 platform with all it's accessories.

>>32600178
This is what the USMC should have gone with instead of the M27.
>implying the M27 isn't just shenanigans to procure a new service rifle that isn't the M4

>>32600040
sure kid.

>>32600178
registered lower, $20,000.00

>>32602048
>tfw Trump probably isn't going to repeal 922(o)

If it was half the price it would be worth it.

>>32603667
If it were half the price it would still be objectively worse than the Ares MCR for any purpose besides being a range toy for former SAW gunners nostalgic for the good old days when they had to carry a 22lb rifle over hill and dale in addition to all their other soldier crap.

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I know other SAW Gunners have posted already, but my 2¢.

It's a neutered semi-auto. If it cost $500 I'd say go for it, bitch is 8gs.

Plus is there much of a civilian market for chain linked ammo? If not that could be costly. Then you could save your links, but then you'd have to relink new rounds. I've done a decent amount of that and it's tedious.

So you got a heavy as nuts semi auto that only advantage is you can fire ~200 round drum (or more if you nig rig it) before reloading.

100% not worth it, but it's your money not mine.

>>32603774
new M27 links are 4¢ apiece
http://ammunitionstore.com/products/223-5-56x45-m249-saw-links-m27-new-condition-1000-pcs.html
and you can get a thing to link the ammo for you if you want
http://ammunitionstore.com/products/223-5-56x45-ammo-belt-linker-de-linker-m249-shrike-minimi-machine-guns.html

>>32589451
you're a moron and you should read more before you open your fucking trap and prove yourself a fool

Just buy their 240 they are announcing at SHOT show this year.

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>>32605922
don't play games with our hearts, anon

>>32567481
You're going to think I'm shitposting, but you'd be better off buying a replica M249. What's the point in owning a semi-auto LMG? You get all the disadvantages of one but none of the advantages.

>>32606238
>What's the point in owning a semi-auto LMG?
never having to reload

>>32567867
>>saw gunners hate it

No we didn't.
Don't regurgitate memes you see on /k/ as facts.

>>32597924

This guy knows.

>>32577391

The cyclic rate of a SAW is slower than that of an M16. If your reasoning was true, the M16 wouldn't work on auto either.

>>32567867
>>saw gunners hate it

No we didn't.
Don't regurgitate memes you see on /k/ as facts.

>>32597924

This guy knows.

>>32567481
>very reliable
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>32567481
It's cool. Buy an MCR instead.

>>32597924
>The SAW really isn't shit if it's been maintained
perhaps the same could be said of every weapon grunts whine about

>>32599820
Well we're in luck, because both the M4 and the M27 are weapons that were made with urban fighting in mind.

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>>32567481
>>32567481
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_48_machine_gun
The 7.62 version

Also, here's this

>>32603841
Dude, you sound butthurt. maybe if you would do a little research before posting you wouldn't make a fool of yourself.

>>32606415
poorfag detected.

>>32609199
Too bad only a handful are made.

>>32605922
you will be bitching when it come out. "too expensive".