>Ships began unloading U.S. tanks, self-propelled howitze

>>32556769

Enjoy.

Are those A1s or A2s?

Why aren't they painted in green? Will they do it in Poland?

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>obongo does this
>Trump brings them back
>liberals attack trump for military spending
>all the costs were retracting equipment, arms, and personnel from other nations
>never ending memery

>>32556980
>Trump brings them back

I doubt it, honestly.

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>>32556989

>Obongo does this
>trump keeps it going because bringing them back is a show of weakness
>supplies for the arms, equipment, and personnel start stacking up
>liberals attack trump for military spending
>never ending memery

We just cant win

>>32556769

>going to Poland
>middle of winter there, shitload of snow
>eveything painted in desert camo

good job, americans

>>32557013
If they're going to get re-painted at all it'll be in-theatre like always.

My word, how I hope they'll go on a crazy shooting, plundering and raping spree through Germany to the tune of the German's magnificent bearded lady Führer chanting "we mustn't judge, maybe they're not all bad" until the newly broken-spirited and dirt poor peoples there don their brown shirts and depose her in favour of another Austrian painter.

So there's now basically an armored task force enveloping Kaliningrad from both Lithuanian and Polish border. Hmm, I wonder what americans are up to. Probably finally standing up to Islamic terrorism and protecting Christians from being massacred by the ISIS.

Poland here

So grateful for this you guys, fuck putin so hard, this will make us feel safer.

You guys need to watch trump real closely, NEVER engage in deals with russian shits they only understand might

>>32557132

vatnik go to bed

>>32557153
How does it fel to be an anglo bitch?? You poles need to be someone elses bitch.

>>32557132
Cyka blyat, this is anudda great patriotic war!

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>>32557153
>You guys need to watch trump real closely
Trump is a big man, not a maniac or a child

>>32556788
What is that m60?

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>>32557207
bridge layer

>>32557204

trump needs to show russia a huge fuck you, we need american influence in europe

Dont worry, vatniks are incredibly shit military wise and only have nukes but are too pussy to ever use it and half the nukes dont work anyway.

The syrian no fly zone was actually a great idea shame it didnt come into being

>>32556769

... so its about a brigade-sized force?

>>32557204
his twitter account says otherwise man

>>32557153
i've been to Poland, I really enjoyed it and am hoping to return this year sometime

>>32557204
>Trump is a big man, not a maniac or a child

>Constantly venting on Twitter like a teenager

>>32557132
Russia has way more forces there than a single brigade. And is moving more

>>32557223
This.

There's two different bridgelayers in the US Army, one based on the M1 and one based on the M60. The plan was to upgrade them all to the M1 in the 90s but funding was cut as the politicians didn't see a need for it.

>>32557238
It is literally a brigade. They're rotating single ABCTs for the foreseeable future.

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>>32557226
>The syrian no fly zone was actually a great idea shame it didnt come into being
it won't happen because Turkey are siding with Russia now
Sukhoi fighter are providing air superiority and CAS for Turkey force in al Bab

>>32557240
>>32557241
why are you taking social media seriously?

>>32556887
A2s. The real question is what SEP version they are. Probably v2

>>32557242
That's a straight up propaganda. Russia has more troops in the Arctic than anywhere near Baltics or Poland.

>>32556769
I enjoyed defending Western Europe during the Cold War and I've not doubt my successors will enjoy their deployment and (it is to be hoped) permanent basing among our newest NATO allies.

They felt the Russian boot on their necks and understand Moscow in ways young sheltered Westerners never can.

I HIGHLY encourage DIRECT expressions of gratitude to the US media. You have the writing talent, so do a proper job of it and feed American egos. Remember the average American is militarily illiterate and too young to remember the Cold War, so help educate them to foster long term military cooperation. The Russian military, political, and non-linear war threat never stopped nor will it as long as one Russian draws breath.

>>32557253

I´m not familiar with that abbreviation, but I´m guessing it stands for something along the lines of armored (tracked) brigade?

I dont suppose anyone have organisational charts for what a brigade (like the one being transferred) looks like? Independent MBT-battalion(s) and bradley-batallions or mixed armored batallions?

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>>32556769
need more OD green Abrams

>>32557257
because it's something that SHOULD be taken seriously. It's literally the thoughts that dance around in his head, and from what most people have seen, not only is he a petulant child, he's also impulsive in a bad way.

>>32557274
The Western military district has more than 150,000 soldiers earmarked in the command structure (now how well equipped or trained those guys are is anyone's guess outside of the 1st Tank Army) .

>>32557200
>How does it fel to be an anglo bitch?? You poles need to be someone elses bitch.

NATO cooperation contained Stalin. It can contain the rump state left over by the fall of the Soviet Union while the Russian oligarchs loot the ignorant beastial masses. Military containment is affordable, and the Russian reaction will be to divert more money from economic development (not that they care) to military modernization. Good. Buy lots of surface ships while you are at it.

NATO countries aren't the US bitches. They have generally done what they liked, which is why the older NATO countries don't spend anything on their armed forces and cannot do power projection.

>>32557300
armored brigade combat team, it allows heavy firepower to be maintained while still retaining the operational mobility of a smaller unit

>>32557257
>Trump isn't a child
>Evidence of him acting like one
>Bu-Bu- ignore that!

>>32557200
Shhhhhh little Vatnik

>>32557200
>hey Poland, i got the best idea ever for you
>why dont you forget about allying up and stuff
>you are a pussy if you ally up
>dont mind me just making preporations to over run you
vatnik tier

>>32557324
muh dik

>>32557300
It's a heavy armored brigade. Armored and mech inf battalions with some organic artillery assets.

>>32557153
Continue to loosen up your firearm laws, make CCW available as shall issue, and adopt a second amendment like the Czechs do soon

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>>32557324
fuck Desert sand color
green is de best

>>32557324
That really is fantastic. The colors and aesthetic are 1970s, but the equipment is brand new.

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>>32557440
>not MERDC master race
Though NATO 3-color is also acceptable.

>>32557326
Now look at the map of Russia and try to imagine the scale covered by the WMD. Protip: neither Baltics nor Poland even make it into top of their priorities. And try to remind me how many Russian tanks have been deployed last year near El Paso or at the Canadian border with the state of New York.

>>32557300
Armored Brigade Combat Team. You should be able to find a breakdown.

Battalions, called Combined Arms Battalions, are the following. Two companies of Abrams and two companies of Bradleys. Normally they exchange platoons, so these company teams have 2 platoons of one type and one of the other, called tank heavy or mech(anized infantry) heavy depending on which they have more of.

CABs are somewhat different than most battalions in that they have 4 maneuver companies. The norm is 3.

Battalion also has a headquarters company with all the usual stuff. Mortars, recon platoon, sniper team, all that fun stuff.

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>>32556769
>pull back tanks from sandland
>put them were they belong, deep in the woods of warsaw pact

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>>32557490
yeah
the desert paint is supper effective in the eastern euro wood

the slav would be too busy choosing their target, our boy will just over run their position

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>>32557490
>>put them were they belong
Into the firing range of good old BM-30 barrage. I mean, no one really has any doubts that all of those tanks and troops will be glassed within first 30 minutes of active hostilities

>>32557545
>glassed
That's where you are wrong.

>>32557545
(You)

>>32557545
Didn't even work well in Ukraine...

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>>32557663
is that so?

>>32557663


it did actually, artillery proved itself the god of battlefield in ukraine and scored most deaths in there

But only because ukraine had no air assets to speak of, that and they were just plain crap at fighting

these shitty rockets wouldnt do squat against US

>>32557683
"Yeah we sure showed those flatbed trucks parked in the middle of an empty field!"

>>32557257
if by CAS you mean bombing the FSA and turks, then we are in complete agreement.

>>32557013

Found the overweight gamestop employee

>>32557324
>>32557440
why is it so very shiny??

>>32557204
For you

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>>32557002
The ride never ends.

>>32557242

shit troops with shit close air support, shit training, shit rifles, shit ammo, shit tanks, shit IFVs and zero control over airspace thanks to shit airforce.

not to mention their fire support stuff like artillery and mortars.... they're also shit. ruskie army is a fucking joke.

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>>32557697
>kek, beat it vatniks! not even a squat! your shitty rockets failed to make it through my superior levels of fat

>>32557824
I always wondered why they altered the last rear skirt plate.

If I had to guess it'd be for maintenance reasons.

>>32557257
>why are you taking social media seriously?
>It was just a prank bro!

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Woodland Abrams with the mine plow gets my fucking dick hard as diamonds.

Don't understand why the plow isn't standard issue. It seems to me you can use it as a battering ram pretty effectively.

>>32557013
Your right, they will have to ship them back to the US to repaint them.

>>32557829
Wow a corpse in a war zone, who would have thought?


On another point Russia actually cannot afford a conflict that has the potential to kill its younger citizens. With Russia's average age rising and its fertility rate at non-sustaining levels, such a conflict holds the potential for economic collapse in the near future.

>>32557022
This.

Lots of pics from 2003 of M1's in woodland camo in Iraq.

>>32557824
REFORGER was fun. I miss the Cold War. It was so nice defending people who have good booze and food. ++ for German hospitality.

West Germany in the 1980s was comfy. My retiredbro who visits his wife's relatives every couple of years says it's changed for the worse and the reasons belong in /pol/, not here.

>>32557545
small force like those are usually there as a threat.


Attacking and killing american force is a pretty good way to turn the US population against you.

>>32557888
>Don't understand why the plow isn't standard issue.

Impedes mobility, can snag on shit, not everywhere is a minefield, especially when defending friendly countries. Abrams despite its subsequent history was designed as a "defensive" tank.

>>32557805
>not to mention their fire support stuff like artillery and mortars
Funny that you mention it, regardless of the state of Russian artillery, Americans currently copy/copied FCS systems developed in Poland which hints that the branch was neglected in the last decade or so(you're not going to pretend that 20th GDP in the world is going to outsmart 1st GDP with good Universities and Silicon valley to support).
>>32557888
>Don't understand why the plow isn't standard issue.
Allegedly Abram's suspension doesn't take using plow/dozer blades very well, but it's based of various rumours found on the internet so don't take it as something dependable, even then - every US medium/MBT since M4 had engineering version, so maybe there is something fishy or maybe there's just no need for it nowadays. Who knows.

>>32557842
Mud tended to build up under it and lead to thrown tracks. The modified version was open enough to alleviate this problem.

>>32557545
>DUDEBRO MLRS!

Yeah, thats real cool kid, except US MLRS outranges it, and is guided, so....

>>32557942
I'd add to that:
Heavy, maintenance intensive, bulky, ramming never happens, messes with cross-country performance even when up.

>>32557805
Don't discount Russia our of some misplaced nationalism, it doesn't help anyone.

>>32556769
So is this anything actually new, or are we just rotating units? This isn't even a whole lot of hardware in the grand scheme of things.

>>32557951
American artillery, much like that of much of the west, has been disregarded for close to 20 years. The only real progress has been advanced ammo like BONUS and EXCALIBUR, plus some course-correcting fuzes; hardware has been left largely untouched, with few L/52 guns actually in service. Manufacturers keep pushing their products, but little is done.
What with the threat of real war, old hardware may soon get replaced or updated.

>>32557257
>why are you taking social media seriously?
Because Trump decided to announce his condemnation of the GOP's plans to gut the ethics committee over Twitter.

Think about that for a moment.

The President of the United States decided to use the same platform that he uses to complain about SNL making fun of him, to make known his stance on a major change to the political workings of Congress. A platform which limits speech to 140 characters or less. He also uses his same platform to rail against individuals and groups (including corporations) who say or do things he doesn't like, which can have wide-reaching ramifications for businesses especially, as we've already seen when he talked about Boeing making the new Airforce One. The fact that some of the shit he says is based on dubious evidence, or just straight pulled out of his ass (like that global warming is a chinese hoax), is even more worrying.

>>32558017
Before now, the US had no Armored units stationed in Europe. There were only two brigades, an infantry brigade and a stryker brigade. They decided to station and Armored brigade in Europe. This is the brigade showing up. This about doubles US combat strength in Europe.

However, this unit is not permanently stationed there, but is going to be rotated out for another armored brigade each year, I think. Unlike usual, they aren't merely swapping men, but also material, as if it's a mini-reforger. The US has forgotten how to do it anywhere as efficiently as they used to, so it will be valuable experience.

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>>32556769
US claiming ownership rights towards europe and you thank them for their imperialistic behaivor? freakin cuck.

>>32557473
Well zero, but they would be free to do so if they A. Were actually wanted by other nations and B. could actually move any amount of equipment around the world. But it's not like they would be very useful in an actual war, Russia had enough trouble supplying artillery units WITHIN Russia when they went full retard against Ukraine. I can't imagine them being effective in supplying their military when they being actively opposed by other forces.

Actually yes, Poland and the Baltic states are their priorities, that's the entire reason for the WMD existing in the first place, people to the West of Russia.

>>32558134
>Doubles strength
Interesting, but numbers wise that's still not a whole lot of guys if the intent is truly to stem a possible Russian attack.

>poleshit and germanistan with american imperialistic dick all over their mouths
color me surprised. if shit happens vatniks should your shitty ass countries first.

>meanwhile millions upon millions filthy kebabs are shitting all over germanistan and krauts are worried about muhhhhh putin, muhhh falling apart russian army
for a smart people you sure are stupid as fuck.

>>32558153
NO, NATO is making sure that Europe doesn't become a cuck for the Russians. At least while in NATO these nations have some say over their futures, which would not be the case if Russia controlled them (see Ukraine).

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>>32557545
>Żagań
>In range of smiercz

Remind me why we are doing this bullshit ourselves?

We need to sit back and sell the Warsaw Pact slavs funs and ATGMs. Let them squat themselves to death in that cold muddy shithole while we screw over Putin and make some cash at the same time.

We can always hop in to skullfuck Russia when they least expect it if it ever becomes necessary.

Maximum economic gain, minimum cost to America.

>>32556769
>thelocal
this is not germany. its like you read foreign press writes about "germany" in third person view.

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>>32558153
>US claiming ownership rights towards europe

>>32557324
man dats ugly

>>32556769
lotta photo ops for a rapid deployment....

>>32557719
things tend to do that when they are wet.

>>32558153
I don«t like your usage of the cuck word because it shows that you're partial retarded but other than that I have to agree with you. They take on side of same coin in the ass and say thank you.

>>32558153
Hey Vlad, why are you posting here instead of fucking Kirill, doc told you to cut back on the Viagra or something?

>>32558153
No one wants back into the dungeon that was Russian influence. Except drunk ethnic Russians.

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>>32558153

Ukrainians got invaded, or had their russian population rebel against them (whatever you prefer) because if they didnt, NATO would have howitzers in range of Moscow. I wont mention the Nuland cookies or the Odessa massacre. Thats /pol/ territory
Georgia got fucked because they attacked Ossetia and wanted to drag NATO in (they almost did, negro mercs with NATO uniforms got killed there) thus threatening the Caucasus mountain.
Checehns wanted to separate, thats why they got fucked in the end after fucking the Russians up.
Now, answer me this honestly, WHY do you think Russians would invade the Baltics and Poland?
What would be their cause to do so?
My best bet is the leftover butthurt form communism and shit, what else could it be?
Nobody ever looks at the situation there realistically.
They scream for help when a russian coughs, in russia.
2 years ago, the larpers appeared, practicing to prepare for the russians.
Im not against it, but i just dont understand the necessity in it at all.
The only realistic scenario would be if the russians living in the 'butthurt' belt, suddenly get attacked, get terrorized and shit by the native population.
Western media would overlook it, but RT which is the young propaganda mogul sure as fuck wouldnt, going against the old decaying western one which failed to get Hilary elected.
That is the only way to start a REAL conflict between Russia and NATO.
To attack the russian minority that lives better than the russians in russia.

>>32558153
Joining a defensive pact with another power to make sure you aren't invaded by your terrible neighbor is imperialism?

>>32558043
American leadership only respect lightfighter infantry. That's a real problem at leadership levels because men raised to thing POG a shit really do think it. Army culture is fucked up which is why I avoided it on multiple Armyvetbros advice.

Artillery gets no respect from the US .mil despite being versatile and (unlike stretched-thin air support) available in all weathers. The US doesn't have very many aircraft compared to the Cold War and quantity does matter because even an F-22 can't be in two places at once.

>>32558281
Oh look, the good old "they're both bad" fallacy. A cold or metastasizing lung cancer? Two sides of the same coin, no reason to try to avoid the latter if it in any way means you might have to deal with the former.

>>32557153
>NEVER engage in deals with russian shits
I guess Hillary missed the memo.

>>32558337
Depends, is Russia the neighbour or the one you're joining forces with?

>>32558265
Because it's probably some bored LT or SPC who was told to stand and take a bunch of pictures with their phone.

>>32558344
>American leadership only respect lightfighter infantry.
Why is this? They can't be expecting to only fight insurgencies for all the future, can they?

>>32557226
>we need american influence in europe
maybe if you'd uncuck yourselfs you wouldn't need america to protect you. everyone bitches about america sticking its nose everywhere while complaining it isn't being a good enough nanny for the eurocucks.

>>32558153
>US claiming ownership rights towards europe and you thank them for their imperialistic behaivor?

US defending our historic allies and mother countries from the Russian menace is more like it. Ivan had to murder people and build the Berlin Wall to keep his victims from escaping. The US contained the Soviet bloc until its incompetent economic management finished it off.

Russians don't quite get that the white majority of America is of European descent. There are plenty of Russian Americans too, and they come here to escape cultural failure. Then they help fight our wars.

The US needs to build a wall to keep excess immigrants out. Russia has no such problem because no one wants to live there who isn't getting rich off the oligarchy.

Fine with me. I've served with immigrants from most of Europe and Russia. Please send more.

>>32558404
>cuckcuckcuckcuck

If you need someone to talk to about your girlfriend being unf...

If you need someone to talk to about that girl you had never spoken to but could tell was totally into you getting into a relationship with someone else, we'll... I'm sure >>>/r9k/ will be happy to hear you out.

>>32557226
No we don't fucking want American influence in Europe, they're fucking trash, and you're a fucking traitor.
T. an actual Finn

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>>32558315
yep. i wrote this as an european. we dont want amerifats nor russian mafia in our territory.

>>32558373
The neighbor obviously, their only ally is Belarus.

>>32558376
>Because it's probably some bored LT or SPC who was told to stand and take a bunch of pictures with their phone.
t. Obama

I didn't know I could make calls on a $1000 dollar DSLR camera

>>32558460
Then you and your countrymen should stop voting for pro NATO politicians.

>>32558344
Yep. While the AF and Navy got money for shiny new toys, the Army has been left a bit short, and the prime sufferer has been arty. If it weren't for tanks proving so useful in the GWOT, they'd be suffering too.
The "with cool new toys we can do everything they do better" shtick the airforce has been spreading gets a lot of attention high up, even when it isn't true.
I hope part of Trump's promised shakeup of the pentagon is to beat some sense into them on this note.

>>32558472
...the local combat camera unit isnt really that hard to get a hold of.

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>>32557226
>trump needs to show russia a huge fuck you

Trump:

"Look at Putin -- what he's doing with Russia -- I mean, you know, what's going on over there. I mean this guy has done -- whether you like him or don't like him -- he's doing a great job in rebuilding the image of Russia and also rebuilding Russia period,"

"Will [Putin] become my new best friend?"

"I think I'd get along very well with Vladimir Putin. I just think so,"

"And besides that wouldn't it be good if we actually got along with countries. Wouldn't it actually be a positive thing. I think I'd have a good relationship with Putin. I mean who knows,"

CIA Director John Brennan:

“Earlier this week, I met separately with FBI [Director] James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,”

>>32558462
>ally
forced , enslaved, hummilatet ally

>>32556925
M1A2 SEPv2

>>32556947
They get painted NATO camo on location.

>>32558354
I don't want russia having a saying in my country's policies the same way that I don't want america having a saying too. Just because you play the good guy doesn't mean that you don't do that with your own interests in mind, or does it? And that's a legitimate thing to do... for you american people, it benefits you and your way of life but it does little to nothing to improve life in Europe other than having some type of protection, like Europe wouldn't get rekt anyway if russia went full retarded, which will not happen.

Look at the amazing thing that was arab spring, who is paying the price for that? Definitely not the US but us, euros instead.

Europe is a big boy and shouldn't need to be under the ruskie or burger wing of influence. Combined we have the biggest or the second economy in the world, and despite my dislike towards EU I would rather having my country working for a solution with our european brothers than with people, from both sides (US/Russia), who doesn't give a shit about Euros. And yes, americans don't give a shit about Euros and would have no problem throwing us under the bus or overthrowing legit governments if that was good for you.

I like many things about America and have more in common with you than almost any other country in the world, but that doesn't mean that we have to be your little buddy because it's pretty clear it can't be other way.

>>32558460
honestly we should have just let you guys get absorbed into the USSR instead of holding them back. You fags would get steamrolled in any meaningful conflict.

>>32558337
You are an idiot if you think US influence in the EU is limited to a defensive pact

>>32558480
Is anyone in Trumps cabinet involved with someone making artillery pieces?

>>32558462
In that case, yes, it's imperialism of the vilest kind, forcing Russia to arm itself to the teeth and dust off the nukes as an answer to this act of wanton aggression.

So if they did hack something and exposed some vile shit, why does that make them the bad guys in all of this?
I really need a shill to answer this question.
If its a problem for you that wont earn you your 15 cents, then just claim that you arent a shill.

>>32558546
No, but militarily speaking it is the most important.

>>32556947
nope there is no point as they will probably leave after a few months

also the desert camo isn't that horrible its just meh
https://youtu.be/wCFsMHxyGro?t=111

>>32558541
>for you american people

Nope.

>>32556925
>>32558535
On second look the lack of a RWS implies they are SEPv1.

>>32558564
trump is a russian puppet with putin at the helm, if thats something you think is good you need to kill yourself. with communists ruling the world they will usher in a new era of fascism like we've never seen before.

>>32558395
They don't want to fight insurgencies either because they can't win. Nobody can win counterinsurgency without genocide or at least Assad-level nastiness. That option is outlawed. Determined insurgency only responds to what Russia did to Grozny. (Russians learned from their fuckup the first time.)

US military psychology is bizarre. The ideal is to be a paratrooper. Paratroops win a very few battles, while armored thrusts win wars, but being a tacticool athlete who doesn't have to actually jump into combat is fun. The ideal is the "operator". Everyone else a shit. Worse, everyone else's PROGRAMS a shit.

US Airborne forces got rid of their only tank, the Sheridan, because armor MOS are POG scum to manly airborne leaders. Wheeled trucks are in favor for constabulary operations and because tanker scum don't drive them. Tanker scum a shit in funding wars, but our Airborne don't bring MOBILITY to the airhead. They become brave pedestrians. It's less work after all.

G.I.s despise vehicle maintenance and since we only do constabulary actions, wheeled trucks are comfier in that respect. We have never taken heavy casualties since Viet Nam ended so no enemy has taught us to respect modern systems operated by competent people.

Desert Storm was a lucky accident. We were at the peak of the buildup begun in the Reagan era when stopping Russia from crashing through the Fulda Gap was the main game. We trained hard and often and had money for parts. Saddam faced our best, and we had leisure to plan the attack.

Now the generation that fought Desert Storm is retired and while our equipment is better we have FAR less of it. Armor is unloved, disrespected, and that's unlikely to change.

>>32558542
no. we can has nukes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTSTdZInhkA

>>32558596
>putin
>communist


wew lads

>>32558619
keep telling yourself that, he is still an agent of the KGB of the former soviet union and is still playing the same game they were before the berlin wall fell. they won't stop until the west falls completely into their hands and trump just bent over backwards for them.

>>32558596
>trump is a russian puppet with putin at the helm
Vote harder next time

>>32558404
Only countries that have an axe to grind with the US have bad things to say about the US talk about how the US is a negative influence, and that's only because us being wherever upsets their regional plans. In fact it's quite the opposite around the world. IIRC Korea flat out refused to take command of all UN forces in Korea and basically forced the US to stay there. The hand off only came about a few years ago.

>>32557345
>Trump responds accordingly to the level of attack
>I THINK TRUMP IS ACTING LIKE A CHILD BECAUSE MY DISLIKE OF HIM BIASES HOW I INTERPRET EVENTS!

>>32558480
>I hope part of Trump's promised shakeup of the pentagon is to beat some sense into them on this note.

Trump is a complete military illiterate and his advisors are NOT reformers. Reformers don't make General. They make Colonel no matter how good their record, then go into consulting and academia.

Trump cannot know what to change, and the Pentagon is beyond reform. Even if Mattis were a reformer, they'd eat him alive. He isn't and will only focus on operations.

>>32558562
As if Russia is innocent at all seeing as how at the very least they armed an insurgency that lead to the escalation of the Ukrainian civil war and invaded and annexed Crimea, all after they had agreed to respect the territory and sovereignty of Ukraine after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. And don't give me that bullshit about a Crimean referendum, Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR and Russia formally accepted that Crimea was rightfully Ukrainian soil in '92. By the same broken logic of the referendum Quebec should be a part of France.

Additionally Russia has been arming its self considerably before all this ever took place.

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>>32558584
If that's the only thing that you have to say then ok, have a good night.

>>32558462
Belarus is actually trending Westward, interestingly enough.

>>32558472
I dunno, I've had photos I've taken on a Galaxy S6 get posted on the US Army's main page. It's all just getting the right angles and being a little lucky.

Man, Obama's term can't end soon enough. Fuck that guy.

>>32557697
Rocket artillery was the king in Ukraine because the conflict area was so small it was almost always in range of the Russian border.

>>32558659
A while, also nice FV-107 douche dick

>>32558659
Shit , didnt mean to post that pic

>>32558670
yeah, fuck the guy who is holding the country together. i give it a months time before trumps version of the SS is roaming the streets killings anyone they consider a degenerate.

>>32557951
>Allegedly Abram's suspension doesn't take using plow/dozer blades very well

Which is dubious given the ABV.

>>32558677
why

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>>32558651
No no no, it's Russia that is the victim of Imperialist aggression. And they only went into Ukraine to protect the Russians living there. I have no idea where you're getting this anschluss thing from.

>>32558564
I'm a right wing US nationalist and thank Putin for the hack.

I think we can cut deals with Moscow but without sacrificing NATO and US interests. However Trump is naive and his Russophilia is a mistake.

We'll see how it works out. I don't hate Russia, but Russian psychology is completely predatory towards its own and everyone else's people.

If the Soviet arms race had been a national development race instead they could have built an impressive, modern free society!

The US has a serious problem with military overspending but we are rich enough to get away with it.

>>32558104
>Think about that for a moment.

Welcome to the current year, the alphabet networks are no longer the gatekeepers of information dissemination to the public.

>>32558336
This man right here is speaking the truth, you daft cunts!

>>32558659
>How long will abrams stay in service ?

The hull and power pack are fine and it's easy to upgrade. We've not built new hulls for many years. Run them through Depot, upgrade as desired and repeat.

>>32558646
Reformers don't know their asshole from their elbow. See Pierre Sprey.

>>32557476
I wonder if there's even a single ABCT that has a full Battalion of Paladins

>>32558744
You thank foreign governments for interfering in our nation?

>>32558134
>>32558175
The intent of stationing a brigade in Europe is the same as in the Cold War - they're not going to be much more than a speed bump, but they will be a significant enough speed bump that commits America into a European war against Russia.

The commitment of ground forces isn't about their tactical effectiveness but is rather a statement of American intent.

>>32556826
Why does his patch say airborne when he's standing on the ground?

>>32558833
Fuck off Web Brigade, it's so obvious you're following the script

>>32558833
They performed a public service.

>>32558651
they stopped giving a shit about what they promised in 91 when someone broke all his agreements by taking in NATO and bringing it to their borders, for as much sides as possible
When the russians who wanted rock and roll, coca cola and mcdonalds (about 70 000 000 of them) saw that they are still seen as the enemy
I really dont know what the ukrainians expected was going to happen, i really feel no remorse for them. Its not like they will see angels come and rescue them, they arent croats, bosniaks or albanians, and neither is russia some medieval barbaric armpit that serbia is.

>>32558861
Tell us more about NATO's presence in Ukraine before Russia invaded, or what agreements were broken.

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>>32558861

As a Pole I am sorry for my compatriots russophobia, it's embarrassing.

>>32558850
Sorry man, I don't know what to tell ya, but I'm not a shill.

>>32558853
How so, by directly interfering with our country? How would they react if we started doing that to them? They would be throwing a shitfit about how they're always being persecuted and isolated.

Excusing their (alleged, I'll try to be fair) behavior in this election sets a bad precedent. They might be embolden enough to make similar attempts in other Allied nations, which depending on where and who they support, might be even worse for the people living there.

>>32557324
OD Abrams make me hard.

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>>32558903
But anon RT and the Russian MoD said it was a Ukrainian Su-25. They wouldn't lie would they? They wouldn't try to win the media war, would they?

>>32558861
>by taking in NATO and bringing it to their borders

It isn't for Russia to dictate the foreign policy of its neighbours, and the problems of both USSR leaders and Putin to accept this is the very reason so many of Russia's neighbours and ex-USSR countries went NATO first chance they got.

>eally dont know what the ukrainians expected was going to happen, i really feel no remorse for them

So they should just have let the horrifically corrupt and far from democratic regime keep trucking along? I guess having jackboot meet face isn't a problem as long as it isn't your face being used as a doormat.

The Russian invasion was hardly a response to Ukraine flirting with NATO, it was six fucking years late for that. It came as a response to the Ukrainian people giving Putin's crony the boot, at which point he had to make sure there wasn't a happy end to that story before anyone got the idea to try the same thing in Russia. And if you can steal back the Black Sea naval base while chaos reigns, all the better.

>and neither is russia some medieval barbaric armpit that serbia is.

Putin's time machine hasn't gotten quite that far back yet, but don't worry, I'm sure he'll get the country there.

>>32558968
>How so, by directly interfering with our country?
By exposing corruption and incompetence in the democratic party.

>>32558861
Your true colors are revealed. The Baltic states joined NATO over ten years ago, so that justifies an invasion of a sovereign nation? Ukraine was invaded because people realized that Russia is a complete dead end investment wise and they wanted to put distance between them, Russia threw a fit and tried to take as much of Ukraine as it could. Thank god Russia was so incompetent that the civil war never left the Donbass and Crimea.

>>32558968
Is there any proof of this "interfering"?
>How would they react if we started doing that to them? They would be throwing a shitfit about how they're always being persecuted and isolated.
The americans have already hacked Russia. Heck, the americans started expelling russian diplomats while Putin reigned in, this shows that the ruskies are less reactive than fucking Obama.
>>32559029
No shit would have done if the Ukraine color revolution wasn't funded by EU.

>>32559074
>Thank god Russia was so incompetent that the civil war never left the Donbass and Crimea.
It's something to thank Russia for, but not because they are incompetent, but because they never intend to get the whole of Ukraine.

>>32558541
>Europe is a big boy
It isn't, though.

>>32559094
Repeated attempts to break out of the Donbass encirclement during the first half of the conflict say otherwise.

>>32559118
Not really, it just says that the rebels do not want their shit encircled.

>>32559054
For their own personal gain, that's not a public service, that's a calculated maneuver that was undertaken so they could better level the playing field in their favor. I'm assuming that sense you believe that DNC hacks happened then the RNC hacks happened as well? Why did they only release stuff from the DNC then and not both parties, especially if they were trying to expose corruption?

There is not even proof of Russian interference in the US election.

It's a meme Hillary has been saying since before she lost, and now everybody repeats this, including Obama.

>>32559157
Simply because RNC has better internet security than the DNC.

>>32559167
The last century 30s had called:
There are no proofs that germany is prepearing for war or anything, also they repeatedly said they are only interested in peace and safety for their people.

>>32559157
I'm not saying they didn't favor a particular candidate I'm just saying that given what was was contained in the leaked documents, it could be seen as a public service.

NO ONE HAS QUESTIONED THE AUTHENTICITY OF LEAKED INFO.

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>>32559118
The regular Russian army didn't really get involved until Ukraine almost completely encircled the rebels and cut off the borders. From what I have read the initial push by the Ukrainians was textbook and even broke a record for an over land road march for its forces from the West to the East. But then the Russians opened up across the border with their artillery and sent a crap ton of tanks and other equipment across the border at the last possible moment. The Ukrainians were out stretched and their FOBs near the border got destroyed by artillery.

>>32559128
You realize that breaking the encirclement means they're on the offensive, that their goal wasn't just to hold the Donbass, but advance into other parts of the country? If all they wanted was the Donbass they would have merely dug in when all this started, but they didn't they wanted as much as they could take, only after they realized there was no way they could win an offensive campaign against the Ukrainian armed forces did they decide to dig in and defend what they had.

>>32559188
Oh, nice nazi reference.

So you do admit there's no proof?

>>32559205
They don't even want Donbass, they just want Crimea.

The point is that an encircled force is a doomed force, even when it's a defensive force.

>>32559128
So they could have taken more land, non think even for a second the Russians wouldn't have taken as much land, then spouted off some BS about ancient claims or how the treaties during the USSR times allocating territory to each state is null and void.

>>32559076
Yes, there is roof, unless you don't think that nearly every agency in the US and allied nations is conspiring together. Not to mention the various politicians from both sides. Yeah, the US found out about Russian agents and expelled them, there was nothing that Putin could have done. It was either take the punch and let them come home, or make a scene about it then have those agents be arrested, interrogated and have other operations in the US be compromised too.

>>32559199
You can tell the exact moment Russia actually invaded just by watching the Mariupol front magically open up when the Separatists had been surrounded in the Donbass.

>>32559250
>So they could have taken more land, non think even for a second the Russians wouldn't have taken as much land,
The ruskies only wanted Crimea, Donbass is just a bonus to them.


>>32559250
>Yes, there is roof, unless you don't think that nearly every agency in the US and allied nations is conspiring together. Not to mention the various politicians from both sides.
So where is it? Even the current russian hearings show no proof, with just the CIA claiming a gut claim.
>Yeah, the US found out about Russian agents and expelled them, there was nothing that Putin could have done
No, they expelled diplomats, the ruskies can do the same thing to the american diplomats.

>>32559247
What do you mean they didn't want the Donbass? The DPR was supplied by Russia and received artillery support by the Russians across the border. It is a partial encirclement that sits on the border, they aren't a pocket of desperate troops trying to survive, they are being cordoned off from the rest of the country.

>>32559286
>The ruskies only wanted Crimea, Donbass is just a bonus to them.
No they want eastern Ukraine too. Lot's of Russian military equipment us produced there.

>>32559099
It is, it just doesn't behave like it should because politicians chose the easy route and rely on america to do its job. If there was the political will to do so, Europe wouldn't need anyone's help to take care of itself.

You can like it or not, but even with all the bullshit bureaucracy it will always be a big boy.

>>32559235
So you admit proof would be hard to come by when you dont want to lay open your methods and personal?

>>32559294
That their original objective was just Crimea, and Donbass is a bonus that happens naturally after the pro-Russian movement gets fraction.
>It is a partial encirclement that sits on the border, they aren't a pocket of desperate troops trying to survive, they are being cordoned off from the rest of the country.
Which is bad for the donbass forces, because they actually don't want their movement limited by the enemies.

>>32559205
They still only have about half of Donbas. Their original goal was at least all of Donbas. There were plans of going to Odessa and wet dreams of going to Kiev.

Digging in at the begging was tried and it almost lost them the war until Russia committed its regular forces.

By the late winter 2015. The Ukrainian army had no reserves left and they were using geography as their defenses. If they were pushed back any further there would be no rivers to defend only open steps.

Ukraine today fortunately has replaced most of the equipment lost, which was no easy feat and took forever. They really did loose a lot of equipment, however they did inflict (roughly) equal damage on the forces they were fighting.

>>32559312
Uhm, so you assume crime without proof?

>>32559341
>They still only have about half of Donbas. Their original goal was at least all of Donbas. There were plans of going to Odessa and wet dreams of going to Kiev.
Source?

>>32559357
They previously held more territory than they have currently.

>>32559311
Not being able to take care of yourself is the HALLMARK of being immature.

IE not a big boy.

>>32559286
No, they would have gone all the way to Kiev had they been able to, don't be an idiot. No Russia, especially in the Putin camp will ever be heard to say "No thanks, I've had my fill." That entire top tier of the nation is know for seizing as much of anything as they can get their hands on.

You just said that they provided a public service, now you go back and say there's no proof. What about the numerous people who have been singled out as Russian sympathizers to both Wikileaks and certain journalists. It's honestly laughable how bad the Russians are at maintaining an sort of security in literally anything at all. Oh, and as for some of the 35 people expelled, some were working in a gym, hardly a spot for diplomats. As for proof

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

>>32559345
When going through a year long process of a countries fuck ups, which is covered by their useful idiots on the internet, and an action that perfectly adds to the former movements of said country? Yes.

>>32559273
The cross border grad fire that obliterated Urkanian units that had encircled the rebels.

>>32557153
>He does it for free

>>32559401
So basically, there's no proof, and you just repeat Hillary's memes.

>>32559370
The point is that they don't do it because they don't wanna do, not because they can't. It's just easier to pump billions into the social welfare than say thank you America but we are on our own now. Plus there's irrelevant states from the eastern block that live in a state of paranoia because of what happened decades ago.

>>32559286

>>32559388
I should add, you're following the dude, who actually asked Russian to intervene by hacking both the DNC and Hillary (who i really dislike btw), then are trying to play ignorant when it's alleged that Russia did the exact thing that one of the major presidential candidates wanted them to do (which was met with thunderous applauds btw)

>>32559388
>No, they would have gone all the way to Kiev had they been able to, don't be an idiot. No Russia, especially in the Putin camp will ever be heard to say "No thanks, I've had my fill." That entire top tier of the nation is know for seizing as much of anything as they can get their hands on.
Source?
>You just said that they provided a public service, now you go back and say there's no proof.
Because there is no proof.
>What about the numerous people who have been singled out as Russian sympathizers to both Wikileaks and certain journalists.
What do you mean by Russia sympathizers? That they like russians?
> It's honestly laughable how bad the Russians are at maintaining an sort of security in literally anything at all.
Yeah, Russia is so bad at security that somehow US got hacked by Wikileaks.
>As for proof
I actually read that, and it's all assumption with no direct proof.

>>32559463
Trump asked Russia to turn over what it had, not to go and hack the DNC for him.

Apparently CTR is still active.

>>32559463
Trying to play ignorant?

I am at my wit's end here, but the US really does show no proof that the russians hacked the DNC.

>>32559498
You are not actually interested in proofs, just obfuscation.

>>32558175
It isn't. But if you combine it with Eastern NATO forces, Polish, especially, it gives NATO time to move more forces in. I would prefer an additional ABCT and SBCT, but they're trying to balance cost, capability, and how much it frightens Russia.

>>32558846
he got lost

>>32558104

...it shocks you that he would directly express his opinion rather than allow a hostile media to control what people hear?

Trying to sound smart while being this daft smacks of a child having his first political opinion.

>>32558825
Battery, not battalion

>>32559440
>If you dont have my opinion you repeat Hillary's memes.
Nice strawman, dont pick too much straw from your head tho.

I believe those hacks are true and revealing them would also unreveal the methods and ongoing sources of the intelligences. Time will tell, like in Ukraine conflict, same thing with the "polite green men" in Crimea, the russian artillery firing from Russia or rushing into ukraine, tanks only used by Russia poping up in east ukraine, the Buk that most likely has shot down MH17 that was filmed on its way from its russian base, poping up in east ukraine, only to be filmed again one day after the shotdown with one missle missing rushing into the direction of the russian border again.

>>32559501
>Apparently CTR is still active.
>i fight against an imaginary enemy
>look at all the victories i got
cucked beyond repair

>>32559558
Okay, man, keep believing.

To this date, there's still no proof of the russia invasion of Ukraine.

>>32559519
I'm interested in proofs, but there isn't.

No company named, no russian military named.

Just codename from the US, and the word "assumed" and "likely" used.

>>32559588
Even if they didn't send anyone in they still gave the rebels damn near every weapon they have.

>>32559576
Yeah, those millions Hillary spent on internet policing sure was imaginary.

>>32559611
Are you the guy that asked for the serial numbers of Russian tanks in Ukraine?

>>32559588
So where i said that ukraine was invaded? There is hard evidence of russian support in east ukraine, from tanks, anti-air, "volunteers" right out of the russian army,... but of course that doesnt mean a thing, also it doesnt mean a thing that Russia denied this a long time or still to this day.

>>32559616
And again, no damn proof of that.

While the US openly sells weapons to Ukraine.

>>32559621
No, but I'm interested in that too.
>>32559651
Okay brah, so there is no proof of even that.

>>32559515
I'll post this again, but you'll probably just dismiss this again
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

1. Source? You want a source that proves that the current Russian government is not able to stay in their lane. How about the land confiscation in Georgia,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv00Weif0Sw
or cross border raids to capture people who live in the Baltics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eston_Kohver

sympathizers in the sense that they work with the Russian gov http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-celebrate-idUSKBN14P2NI

I'm willing to bet you opened it, took a look at the title, then closed it because it ran against you preconceived notions about Russia.

>>32559501
And how did they come about that info genius? Do you think they just stumbled upon it while walking one day?

>>32559652
>i dont nothing about the ukraine conflict
>i just claim it is like i think
Dude, we discussed multiple russian vehicles here during the ukraine conflict that only where in the hands of the russian federation and sponatously appeared in east ukraine. Just because you dont know shit or let yourself intentionally get fooled, doesnt mean it aint obivious to others.

>>32559652
>>32559666
Guys, did you lived under a rock or something? We had discussions here about the T72B3, Pantzir, BTR-82A all videotaped and photographed in rebel ands in rebel territory. There was so much more i cant even count it all.

>>32557002
You win when you stop listening to them.

>>32559545
His direct opinion just proves that hes an impulsive idiot who is in way over his head.

>>32559588
Sorry chief, but Putin himself actually admitted as such, I guess you didn't get the memo, so you can stop parroting lies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-military-presence-ukraine

>>32559666
not that other dude, but I can do one better.
How about an entire brigade?
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/07/04/russias-200th-motorized-infantry-brigade-donbass-tell-tale-tanks/

>>32559678
>I'll post this again, but you'll probably just dismiss this again
I actually take 5 minutes to read, and it's all assumption with no direct proof.
>sympathizers in the sense that they work with the Russian gov http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-celebrate-idUSKBN14P2NI
Nice try, but again, the CIA did not tell any name, they just say it is, that's actually no proof.

>>32559736
>Asked by a Ukrainian reporter an hour into the briefing about two Russian military intelligence officers captured by Kiev and currently on trial in Ukraine, Putin said: “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.” He insisted this was not the same as regular Russian troops.
This is what Putin said.

>>32559704
>>32559722
>>32559736
These vehicles originates from Russia, but there's no proof those vehicles are supports from the russian government.

>>32559743
So a press release stating the extent of Russian involvement in our elections from the entirety of the US intelligence community is suspect? Yeah, they must be amateurs, as some other anon posted, I believe them. Mainly because given the history of Russian intelligence and their MO it's not beyond them to help a monumentally stupid presidential candidate whose easily manipulated by pandering to his ego.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-celebrate-idUSKBN14P2NI

here's an article about those Russian sympathizers towards Wikileaks

>>32559794
Only the russian military had them, they cant be in rebels hands unless the goverment ordered it or they where stolen. You are so in denial it aint funny anymore, if someone else would argue that way in another case you probaly would call him an idiot.

>>32558043
Well this is changing already though, its been like a year and a half since the first brand new LRIP Bradly based M109A7s were delivered.

>>32559794
So the Russian government doesn't have positive control of it's own military or the people in in? That's even worse you idiot.

>>32559778
What a fucking cop out
>We never said there wasn't
Even though, time and time again, that ENTIRE government's policy on Ukraine was to deny, deny, deny then accuse the US of meddling until not only did their intelligence operations start getting compromised (because they lack any sort of common sense) and the military started taking losses that they couldn't keep concealed from their own population.

>>32558175
That was never the intent, the idea is to put American blood on Russian hands to give the American government political capital to get Reforger going.

>>32556769
Good. When was the last time we conducted REFORGER exercises? 93?

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>NATO and the US actually worried about Russia
>When China actually has the money to modernize, pay a large standing military force, has been shown to copy the most recent military tech and produce it themselves.
>When China is rapidly closing the naval tonnage gap between USN and PLAN.
>When China is threatening the freedom of navigation of one of the most valuable shipping lanes in the world.
>When China could easily launch enough conventional missiles to wreck our allies in SEA.
>When China has their best ground troops ready to go through NK at a moments notice if Korean War 2 Electric Bugaloo kicks off.

Russia can't take Europe not matter what President Obummer says.

>Sanctions and oil prices being as low as they are have fucked Russia inside and out.
>They can't afford anything anywhere near the large military that they had during the peak of the USSR.
>They can't afford to modernize their equipment (Looking at you Admiral Kuznetsov).
"but Anon, MUH T-14!" which they don't have many of in the first place.
>The support of the Ukrainian rebels and Syria has strained their logistical supply lines and has been expensive as fuck.

We should be pivot to Asia in a meaningful manner Russia has too many issues to even think about invading Europe.

>>32556769
enjoy it while it last polandbro, trump is going to sell you out within the year.

>>32558659
Some time, the DoD basically wants a good APS to build a new hull around before they are going to shell out for a brand new tank design.

>>32559551
Battalion, not Battery. A full ABCT is supposed to have a Battalion of SP. Many of the existing ABCTs do not.

>>32559832
>So a press release stating the extent of Russian involvement in our elections from the entirety of the US intelligence community is suspect?
Yes, because they have provided no proof in this entire length of time.

Their entire argument is that "the ruskies did this, trust us, they did like this, trust us!".

>>32558692
we can only hope

>>32559919
Actually it is very much like pre WW2 with Russia being Nazi germany (broken down "empire", strong leader, propaganda everywhere, "saving" own minorities in border countries, wedidndunuffin talk all the day,...). Russia is enabling China through this more then the West ever could.

I found an interesting read about US military logistics and they appearantly have cargo ships loaded with tanks and arms floating around the world at all time ready to offload where needed quickly. i can't remember what this is called, anyone know what i'm talking about?

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>>32557476
Team Yankee is one of my most favorite novels.

Your comment reminded me of that. I need to find it and re-read it.

>>32559832
This is just bullshit lies, there is no proof there is no specifics because none exist
They are salty that they lost, they are upset that everything they worked for will be eradicated, and they know most of them will be going to prison under Trump

>>32559981
Yea ok because just like the Nazi's we need a pointless brothers war stirred up by globalists & jews...
To finish off white people.

>>32560057
>globalists & jews...
>To finish off white people.
Russia didndu nuffin, he gud bohy

>>32560069
Everything Russia has done is in response to US provocations

Hillary & other republican candidates are sitting up there talking about starting a shooting war with Russia, talking about turning Turkey(#2 country in NATO) into an enemy, and generally being fucking ignorant retards.

Of course Russia backs Trump

However, claiming this specific hack of the DNC and Podesta was done by Russians is nonsense, Assange has claimed otherwise.

>>32559952
Well considering they have a habit of getting involved in other nations and attempting subversion by creating social divisions where there were any previously (ask any Ukrainian who is ethnically Russian about these so-called Nazi groups running around before maidan), I think it's prudent to take them at their word. Not only that but we have an incoming cabinet that is incredibly pro-Russian, they would be retarded to not try and exploit that. Have you literally not opened our thought critically about Russian intelligence operations in the past?

>>32560089
>>Russia didndu nuffin, he gud bohy
>Russia didndu nuffin, he gud bohy
Russia didndu nuffin, he gud bohy

It will never end.

>>32560090
I open my book, and it has historical examples, but weirdly, there's no proof that they tamper with this election.

The democrats have been importing foreigners for decades because they will vote 70%+ for them
The democrats have been taking money for decades and selling out their country
The democrats & Neo-cons have been intervening in elections ALL ACROSS THE FUCKING WORLD, most recently Obama went over to Britain to tell them to vote remain

But MUH RUSSIANS INTERFERING when one candidate has stated an interest in starting WW3

Tough titties democrats

>>32558053

badass pic, whats the triangle looking thing sticking up in the front?

>>32560145
probably flips down to plow through stuff

I think the pic is shit, look at all that fragile stuff on top of the tank, easily destroyed by a bullet

>>32560145
Basically a plow for mines.

So if you are a mine farmer, get one of those at the harvest.

>>32560162

There are armor plates surrounding all the sites and sensors there. you'd need to be facing it to take out a tank sight and better have a perfect shot because you will be taken out..

No one is going to jail under Trump, that was a lie that many of his supporters bought, hook, line and sinker. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-investigation.html?_r=0

Your grammar and spelling points to you not being an English as a first language speaker. Am I wrong? Also, white people most likely aren't going anywhere, sorry to burst you happening bubble /pol/.

>>32560089
Like invading Ukraine, Russian will claim that NATO is being provocative but will omit the fact that before they went full retard in Ukraine, many NATO missions and bases were set to close because of inactivity by Russia on the eastern borders. But please, tell me how this is not Russia's fault at all.

It was a non fly zone, because Russian continually hit civilian areas and hospitals, using cluster bombs and thermobarics no less. T B H the Russians probably would have chicken out, as they had at best about 10 truly modern aircraft in the entire region that were wholly unsupported. Also, Turkey did this shit to themselves, they have an islamic leaning megalomaniac in power who is turning civil liberties over on its head.

>>32560194
>links fake news

rest of post is ignored
Trump will destroy these fake news outlets like wash-post or nytimes

>>32558462
Not anymore. They're terrified Moscow is going to eat them up next, especially once the "White Russians aren't a thing" propaganda started.

first part of >>32560194
for >>32560057

>>32560123
So despite the historical precedent (Trump twitter take note) of them doing this, and despite a very pro Russia president incoming they just inexplicably sat this one out, just because. Sorry man, but I'm not buying what you're selling.

>>32558541
This is why I'm against our allies spending more money on their defense. Trump should learn to keep his fucking mouth shut; the last thing we need are uppity vassals.

>>32560239
Noone who relies on foreigners to win elections, or takes so much foreign money as the democrats, can complain about foreign influence.

>>32560214
>One of the biggest names in journalism is fake
You may not like what they say all the time (I don't) but to call them fake would be a grave mistake. Also, calling Washington Post fake after exposing the Watergate scandal shows me that you're not interested in anything but the fouling of the air to continue to post bullshit and prop up a poorly concealed narrative.

>>32560279
They are fake news
They have recently changed ownership, and have printed lies about Trump every day for over a year

>>32560296
>lies
This thread keeps on getting better and better.

>>32560261
foreign money is donated all the time through many sources, in literally every election in every country ever. Uganda had money donated by both Mormons and Fundamentalist Christians in their bid to outlaw homosexuality, as did Zuma and South Africa. Which isn't to say it's all OK, I don't like the fact that Hillary said she stood for women's rights then took money from the Saudis like a vacuum. But don't think that it only happens or has happens to Democrats.

>>32560310
http://www.nytimes.com/

literally every single article involving Trump is fucking lies
look at this shit site
There is a reason no republican trusts the media anymore

>>32560325
I believe it occurs far more for the Democrats than the Republicans

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>>32558692

You need to go back to.... wherever the fuck you came from, Tumblr, CTR, I don't even fucking know where they breed morons like you.

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>>32558721

Russia only reacted to the unfolding situation in Ukraine. Hillary forced Putin's hand in Crimea.

Chalk up another embarrassment for Obumba's "legacy", kek.

>>32560344
https://youtu.be/iNLgFqm-afM

>>32560260
That has nothing to do with Trump, it's a reality that should have been changed long ago.

>>32560400
?
trump won retard

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>>32558833

We got a live one here...

What happen's on the 20th and Trump takes over and you have no job, are you going to go eat insects or whore yourself to another foreign power?

>>32560296
>having opposing viewpoints and being critical of someone you don't like are lies
Come on, man. Get your head out of your ass, or more likely, stop deepthroating Trump and Putin and ACTUAL fake news like Infowars or some shit.

So you've stopped getting your news from more mainstream sources, does that mean you've regressed entirely into taking in any news? Of course not, it merely means you're more likely to find out news that agrees with your preconceived notions and doesn't require you to think critically about the election, Russian historical patterns in terms of nations it perceives as a threat or literally anything else. If this thread has taught me anything, it's show that people like you would rather be spoon fed factually incorrect information instead of thinking critically of the world at large, all the while making boisterous about "liberals", safespaces and Hillary. Honestly, just fuck off.

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>>32558951

Pollak here.

Those people are mostly easily manipulated bydlo.My family lives literally 4 km from the Belorussian border and the only time I fear Russian aggression is when America starts landing brigades in the Baltics and Ukraine.

>>32560425
Your liberal fake news sites are going to lose white house access, while infowars will gain it

How mad is this going to make you

>>32556782
God those things are fucking loud

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Had it not been Trump going into office right now, I would have figured it was time for another invasion of Russia. It's been a good 70 or so years since the last one.

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>>32557153

NATO PRIDE ATLANTIC WIDE

>>32558951
>>32560439
Nice to see some Poles that are not retarded.

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>>32560425

The cable networks are an official fake news cabal, as has been proven rather conclusively this year. So too are the WashPost and NYT, who have published and quietly retracted numerous hoaxes to support the globalist narrative and Hillary.

Your kind are losing, and will soon be exterminated in the streets.

>>32560473
Somebody shop or change that disgusting flag it ruins the photo.

second half of this>>32560425
is for >>32560344

>>32560369
Well then you better start believing something else quick my friend. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-apparently-admits-to-violating-ban-on-self-dealing-new-filing-to-irs-shows/2016/11/22/893f6508-b0a9-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html?utm_term=.1b8b9955f7dc

So much for no foreign involvement in the US

>>32560421
I'll continue on with my life, that's what. He's shaping up to be one of the most ineffectual presidents in history if his comments, twitter posts and just general demeanor are anything to go by. And if anybody is whoring themselves it Trump stumbling into accidental bed with the Russians, those comments on nukes in Asia and on NATO are extremely careless, doubly so if you live in the ares he was talking about.

>>32560398
Putin only reacted because his crony was being deposed.

>>32560450
Not mad at all because, no they won't, they're AT BEST a fringe group, at worst a group who shooters have been inspired from. Most recently that dude who shot up that pizza place in Washington D.C. The place that sells "male vitality" isn't going to gain white house access. Grow the fuck up.

>news that goes against what I think is fake news.
Hey man, isn't it possible that some organizations have different opinions than you? Yes, I will say that many times they have been forced to retract or actual recant a story, but that's still better than Alex "I have the documents" Jones and Co. The same anti-government crusader who got beat up in a parking lot then told everybody there that someone in his family worked in the FBI and that they'll be arrested.

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>>32556769
mfw President Trump redirects the armored divisions to join up with Russia to steam roll the entire middle east.

>>32560398
No what happened was:
>Ukrainians get tired of Russian controlled governments shit and de facto control by the Russian government
>protest and eventually oust that government
>OMG USA Y U INTERVENE FUCKING NAZIS

>>32560450
>infowars

http://is.4chan.org/wsg/1482948245383.webm

>>32557663
Battalion sized mechanized columns were wiped out in a single salvo in Ukraine lol

>>32560503
>more fake news from washington post

> He's shaping up to be one of the most ineffectual presidents in history if his comments
lol how delusional

You didn't hear it from me. NATO is planning a big exercise in the Balkans this summer to include a contested river crossing and an assault across the black sea into Georgia.

>>32560566
>Hey man, isn't it possible that some organizations have different opinions than you?

It's nothing to do with that, its to do with the fact they are publishing FAKE BULLSHIT STORIES based on anonymous sources or deliberate misinterpretation of what Trump has said/done.

>>32560607
>wiped out in a single salvo

bullshit

>>32560634
they were in road march formation, not even moving

>>32560503
>He's shaping up to be one of the most ineffectual presidents in history if his comments, twitter posts and just general demeanor are anything to go by.

Sure, sure cuck.

He's achieved more tangible improvements as president elect than the two-term lame duck Obumba - the empty suit.

Goddamn were those people dead on when they said he was an empty suit.

>>32560607
Because it is hard to prepare for an enemy that literally shoots from its own country and you cant fire back or crosses your border attacks you from somewhere where he should not be and then just rolls back over to his border again. Artillery wise Russia acted like scum in this conflict, shoot and scoop right next to commiemblocks, nothing was to vile form them.

>>32560535
>Putin only reacted because his crony was being deposed.

Indeed. Deposed in an American led coup. There were already exiled Ukrainian celebrities (like Klitschko) on the ground and waiting to be inserted.

>>32560641
That makes more sense.

>>32560646
how can you look down on someone for doing their best to keep and gain advantages
Russia is really good at this kind of pseudowar, with lacking conventional might its almost a necessity

>>32560622
OK, man where would you like me to source these thing from? I'll try to meet you halfway, but only if you're willing to as well.

I'm sorry but yes, from what we have seen he seems wholly over his head in terms of politics and just basic information on ways of governing. That includes spouting stupid ass opinions on Twitter even after the fact.

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>>32557663
>Didn't even work well in Ukraine...

Except, you know, most of their mechanized forces were wiped out, lol.

It would be even worse if a GRAD salvo struck some American Stryker brigade. Those poor fuckers would get incinerated if Hillary would have won to start WW3.

Light wheeled forces are going to get slaughtered on a high density battlefield which has proper artillery. And America, in its wisdom, has nearly dismantled its heavy mechanized units in favor of wheel faggotry and special forces, lol.

>>32560665
>looking up to someone who acts like a dick the second he aint watched
You grow out of this phase when you aint a teenager anymore. Hell, most manage this at 16.

>>32560675
I don't care where you source it
But you post something that is literally fake
The Trump Foundation didn't violate anything, they are just making it up

>>32560690
And their armored forces like the Abrams need to be refueled every 2 hours

>>32560654
>Deposed in an American led coup

Its not like Ukrainian politics are volatile as hell or something, or that he made an incredibly divisive political move that made enemies of half the country. Its not as if the government was toppled by the military.

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>>32557697
>But only because ukraine had no air assets to speak of

They were shot down en masse and effectively grounded.

So good was the Russian SAM umbrella that they even accidentally hit Airline traffic...

But seriously, the deaths of those tourists on the Malaysian 777 are the responsibility of the Ukrainian shit-heads, who in their arrogance declared the skies safe to fly over and the rebellion in the east - a minor nuisance.

>>32560690
You act as if the airforce wouldn't wipe out the artillery before it even fired, hell even if it did get a salvo off they'd get nailed after.

>>32560713

I guess you kind of ignored the part where there were pro-American exiled celebrities residing in America, already on standby, in Kiev, to assume control..

>>32560736
>Malaysian 777 are the responsibility of the Ukrainian shit-heads

Wow. Ukraine grounds its military aircraft, many civilian airliners cross airspace until one day trigger happy SAM operator shoots one. Totally Ukraine's fault.

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>>32560747

Whose air force are you talking about?

>>32560699
there is no morality in geopolitics
russia has done 'good' and 'bad' things to secure what they see as their sphere of influence

namely, offering billions of dollars worth of investment as a counterpoint to the ukraine EU deal; and then when it fell through thanks to EU/CIA coups they funded russian ethnic strife in the region and took crimea 'bad'

>>32560766

What kind of "responsible" authorities let airliner traffic fly above an active war zone? Hmm?

>>32560755
Political opportunists show up during a time of political turmoil, now who would've thought.

>>32560771
US.

>>32560641
>>32560663
That makes even less sense, from what was reported they moved with surprisingly ability considering their previous 20 years as a Russian flyover state. No unit moves out as a whole force which can be taken out by a single strike.

>>32560632
Then why do people hold sites that push nothing BUT bullshit stories as absolute truth. There are groups that will twist facts and quotes to fit their narratives, that's to be expected as humans are fallible. But what makes them different is that they at least admit it and take all criticisms head on. Meanwhile people are swearing the live journals talking about a satanic child sex slavery in a pizza place in Washington is the truth, full stop. Doesn't that strike you as odd, man?

>>32560644
Like what, both sides of the aisle are tearing him a new one for reneging on his promises. Hillary in jail; nope. Build the wall; nope. It's now a fence which was previously going to be built regardless of who was elected. Also, I'm certainly not trying to say Obama is some awesome president. But you can't say Trump has done anything weeks before he has even taken the oath.

>>32560654
Not even man.

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>>32560774

The only adult in this thread, really.

Most of the underage dipshits that post here think that the world is a global playground and have no understanding of how states interact with one another.

>>32560801

>US.


So we're having a fantasy role-playing thread now?


I'm gonna stick to the domain of reality.

>>32560806
Pizzagate is real and Trump knows it
Gonna be a lot of purges led by Trump coming up

>>32560707
Yes, they did. THEY ADMITTED TO IT. OK, at this point who ISN'T in this anti-Trump campaign that you seem to believe is in the works?

>>32560789
The company itself makes those decisions, the NOTAM (notice to airmen) had been delivered out to all flying organizations by the UN and IATA.

>>32560771
>>32560846
So a Stryker Brigade gets wiped out by Russian artillery but the US Air Force is nowhere to found.

>>32560853
No, it's not real and there will be no purges.