/GQ/ Gear Queer Thread

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Im really liking the look of this, anyone have any experience with pic related?
Anything special to know on plates?

Auction link: http://m.ebay.com/itm/Russian-army-spetsnaz-SSO-SPOSN-Legat-assault-vest-plate-carrier-/272501280574?_trkparms=aid%253D222007%2526algo%253DSIC.MBE%2526ao%253D1%2526asc%253D20150519202348%2526meid%253D68b44e9777d34639b76d575aa1030c59%2526pid%253D100408%2526rk%253D1%2526rkt%253D25%2526sd%253D272318614482&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460

What ak gear is ar mag friendly? It seems like if I had mags in the pouches on pic related I could just tuck the flaps into the pouch. I plan on getting a 74 in the near future so it would be nice to have some ak gear regardless.

>>32556047
Fit them to a backpack so you can have low key armor 24/7? Panels for the inside of the truck or car? Just shoot the kevlar for shits and giggles?

>>32556224
this is litteraly a RRV but with MOLLE close to each others

>>32556251

I had considered all three, but wanted to do something more productive. I guess I could make some gaiters, I do live in an area with a lot of snakes.

Just watched through garandthumb's Yotube videos, gonna shill for him. Really good gear explanations and setup ideas, especially for gearbabbys. My personal loadout and thoughts on stuff idependently mirrored him about 99%, only diverged on nitpicky little personal preference stuff. He knows his shit.

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>>32556224
I have one, that's too much money
http://www.specialrussianshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=111
The mag flaps are adjustable to different mag heights since they are held in with a velcro backing, you can remove them too. Also comes with bungees. Still need to see if my large ESAPIs fit, I think it's made for granit plates

>>32556277
Is he a PJ?

>>32556316
IIRC he is a USAF SERE instructor. Not sure past that.

>>32556251
Insulate your house and put under mattress if beds are 2ed floor. Ocerpenetration is a joke. Also stuff all panels for car as well as seal to underaide of hood. Finally kevlar patchwork duster

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I are the queerest.

Also, thoughts on:
https://www.velsyst.com/law-enforcement-plate-carrier.html

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>>32556047
ever think about selling it at wholesale and getting something other than plate backers?

Repost from last thread.
Obviously new to gear because of my question but how does a taco with inserts differ from just buying something with an insert already like an esstac or a hsp if you're putting it on a belt?
I have some esstac pouches and feel like they would bee too hard to pull out of a belt mounted.

>>32556745
Taco's have a bungee already around them so you won't need an insert. But there's already a tension "squeezing" force providing friction to magazines so they don't fall out. They're open topped so easy to grab and yank without hastle.

A regular pouch with an insert is open or closed top but has a kydex insert to provide a squeezing force in the case you want to leave the pouch open and not close the velcro flap to have easier access.

The taco's are favored because they're simple and fast, but a more flexible set up would be a pouch you can tuck the flap back to leave them open, but in bumpier situations leave closed.

Generally on a belt since your hips are gonna be the bounciest part of your body because lack of a "muscular stabilization" for lack of a better term. So if you're going to be running and jumping a lot you may want to consider that a taco might not hold your mags as securely as you want

>>32556692
Is that a chest rig? Looks weird as fuck

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>>32557214
I think crye called them skeletonized chestrigs
but it's just a swift clip compatible molle panel.

>>32557214
Holy shit it's not a meme. I've been lurking for almost a year now and everyone asks every thread.

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>>32557320
E V E R Y T H R E A D

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>>32557214
>>32557320
>>32557509

>>32557509
Ay bby, is that a helichopter lanyard I spy? You use that thing fampei?

>>32557561
Yead did some stuff out of a buddies R44, I have a spie harness too just didn't put it on for the pic.

>>32557509
what carrier is that

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>>32557320
>>32557509
>>32557522

>>32557707
Saved

>>32557707
Saved af senpai

Side note: GPS and expanded radio list coming soon.

>>32557751
On this note, if people want shit added to the /gq/ pastebins just let me know

looking for good knee pads /k/
any recommendations?

>>32557866
Stop sucking so much dick.

>>32557872
can't help it

>>32557866
poverty
alta knee pads

non-poverty
Arcteryx Kneecaps.

>>32557904
thank you for the suggestion

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/GQ/ moving extra slow today.

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>>32558142
EXTRA
SLOW

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>>32558142
>>32558299
I always know it's you shark because no one else has a kryptec d3cr

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>>32558306
You can thank skeletor for that. Was gonna get a RG one like all my other plain looking shit, but he had an extra D3CR in kryptek and offered a pretty good deal. Don't really mind it tbqh famalam, the colors are all pretty well suited to the woods and what not.

Pretty neat rig going on there, who makes that?

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Finally got time to instal my Safariland holster on my belt, still missing a lot of stuff, but I'm holding on on buying stuff atm, because I have a feeling Norsegear is getting a new batch of Ops-Core helmets, in some days. Really hope they get in the Maritime, but I'll be happy with a High Cut, in green/tan and M/L.

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>>32558357
Oh nice, and thanks again for the stock man, what did you do with that goofy patch?

Sposn makes it, it's really comfy, can hold a front plate too

>>32558142
Nobody wants to be associated with that fuck awful milsurpfag knock off op picture.

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Hey, new fag here. What's a Protech SAAV worth? I can hardly find any info on them.

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>>32558365
That looks comfy af anon. Solid getup.

>>32558372
Sure thing homie, patch is sitting in a bag currently with all the other random patches I have collected over the years. Neat, those thick padded straps make it definitely look comfy.

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>>32558394
They really did try to copy the milsurp homos with that one...not my first choice either.

>>32558411
No clue.

>won an ACOG off fleabay for 400 bucks
>gonna put it on my totally legal length M4 clone thing
>gonna shitpost about it in GQ


whos ready for it? I know I am.

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>>32558394
>>32558449
That picture is older than any milsurp thread
>>32558426
Noice, and yeah they're good, but if you don't have a collar or something between them and your neck it rubs

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>>32558394
>>32558449
that's what you get for not using the original

>>32556287
I was gonna shop around more on prices before I made a decision anyways. Hows the build quality? Im probably gonna buy a molle smersh rig from greyshop
and I want something I can throw on over it. SSO and SPOSN are g2g from what I've heard.

>>32558465
>pre shitposting shitpost
We're going down the rabbithole bois

>>32558411
>>32558449
Anyone?

>>32558539
Its worthless, you have shit taste and you suck.

>>32558513
>pre shitposting a shitpost in the wrong general
The hole has no end.

>>32558465
I applaud this fully, but you'll probably want to shitpost it in the AR Thread/AR general, not the gear queer thread.

>>32558556
n-no I belong here. Trust me I belong here.

>>32558475
>That picture is older than any milsurp thread
Your new is showing.

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Just got a meme in the mail.

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>>32558578
Is using the federal mail system to transport weaponized autism considered a felony? We're straddling some strange lines here.

Autistic enough that tripmode must be engaged.

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Check my lowvis setup

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>>32558650
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>>32558650
wtf when will you board Delta flight, Anchorage-Minneapolis-Fort Lauderdale?

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>>32558650
>carpet

I'm thinking about getting 762tactical's chinkcom chest rig in surpat

Anyone have any experience with it?
Should I go for it?

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>>32558822
>762tactical
Colin makes good stuff if you don't mind waiting on it.
Mine in M81 with his pull away ifak.

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>>32558669
leave fire hazard anon alone and get a rig in a non-shit camo

>>32558870
wow that looks great

>>32558870
Is the hydro harness compatibility worth getting?

Any recommendations on good winter gloves, and a good year round jacket? Moving to up state new york

should i worry too much about using a backpack with a plate carrier?

i'm thinking of keeping it simple and getting a Condor MOPC

>>32558915
I'm not sure what you're asking. I don't have the hydro harness and I'm not sure it is compatible with the chicom.

>>32559100
What's there to worry about..?
Also no one in this thread will reccomend Condor. I suggest you look around elsewhere (or in the GQ LBE list if the op would fucking include it more than half the time)

>>32559130
apparently it's now an option.

>>32556047
Do any of you guys know if those SSO/SPOSN membrane suits are good?

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>>32558873
How dare you sir. How. Fucking. Dare you.

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Im a veteran of the Finno-Korean hyper war, pic related is me with my anti-ultraviolet mask

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>>32559162
I see that now. I don't remember that being available when I ordered mine in July but I could be mistaken.

>>32559367
how long did it take to get?

I'm still deciding on color

>>32559425
The chest rig arrived in a little over 4 weeks. I ordered the ifak in Nov and it took a little over 6 weeks.

His website says it can take 3-6 weeks for all products but he has some of the double stack chicoms ready to ship I believe.

http://762tactical.com/chest-rigs/chicom-chest-rig.html

>>32559514
Err triple stack I should say if you are using ar mags

>>32559147
Then recommend something good

>>32559565
AWS OCPC, shellback banshee, mayflower APC, Crye LV-MBAV

fuck i bought a pair of patagonia combat pants too cause they were $115 shipped

i have 2 many pants

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>>32559100
Not very much at all unless you have a retarded quick release for your shoulder strap.

Go take a look at the AWS OCPC
I've talked to some SOF guys who received those OCPC as hammy downs while they were deployed in the desert they said those PCs were nearly indestructible pieces of kit.

>>32559643
>Crye LV-MBAV
dudes looking at condors, don't meme at him to buy overpriced spook wear just yet.
but mayflower APC is gtg too

>>32559700
I know how you feel.

>>32559565

http://pastebin.com/8wjMuz3w

my wardrobe could use updating from bdu/acu cuts and carharts.

I dont want integral kneepads.

>>32556224
front plate only systems are gayer than gargantuanon

smersh is ar mag compatible. very easy draw.

>>32558578
new high res booty pic soon stalker

>>32556447
>Long-barrel AR-15 variant of sorts with optic and foregrip as well as... a bull barrel?
I'm guessing about 8.5-9lb unloaded
(Though on close inspection of the fire select switch, might be an actual assault rifle?)
>7 STANAG mags in total
Roughly 7.7-8lb
>Some sort of double-stack pistol
Probably 2lb unloaded
>3 pistol mags
Meh, call it 2-2.5lb

>TOTAL
20.2-21.5lb by my estimations for firearms and ammo alone.

Not TOO bad considering it also comes with a pistol. Ought to have considerable accuracy with that thick-looking barrel, not to mention problems with over-heating shouldn't be too bad, but if you're carrying all that extra gear perhaps cutting back on a mag or two for the rifle and a mag for the pistol would help lighten things up a bit. At least the optic looks quite small/light, likely non-magnifying. Though if that's the case and it's non-magnifying, I'd suggest getting rid of it altogether to save further weight. Curious as to the length of that barrel. At least 16" I wager, perhaps 18-20" even?

>>32556287
Oh dear, AKM with 3 steel mags and 4 bakelite mags? That's going to be pretty hefty, I imagine. I'll tackle that one next. I recall the bakelite mags being about 1.65lb loaded and the AKM steel mags being about... God... 1.85lb? 1.9lb? I think I'll go with 1.9lb just to make it simpler.

>>32559100
That would put you on par with a super poorfag like me.

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>mfw AK-74 w/ 3 spare mags on a chicom rig

>>32556287
>>32560001
Ooo, almost got quads, damn...

Anyways...
>AKM
About 6.8lb as I recall
>3 loaded steel mags
5.7lb
>4 loaded bakelite mags
6.6lb
>Double-stack pistol of sorts
About 2lb
>3 pistol mags
About 2-2.5lb

>TOTAL
23.1-23.6lb by my estimation.

Also, nice trench art. Though I LOVE steel mags, I'd suggest getting rid of 2 of those spare ones and just keep the 1 steel mag plus the 4 bakelites. That'll knock off 3.8lb, bringing you down closer to 20lb. Doing away with one of those spare pistol mags isn't a bad idea either. Pistols are VERY rarely ever used, even in Military service. If they are, it's a VERY desperate situation and they ought to be seeing about GTFO pronto. In civilian life, again, pistols are VERY rarely used, and when they are, either no shots are fired, or only 1-3 are. So in theory, even ONE spare pistol mag is excessive but it's nice to have at least one, amirite? Oh, wait... that's not a Russian AKM, that looks like one of those beefy Yugo ones. Nice, but adds weight. I don't know exactly how much though, but I wager it's a solid .5lb heavier than a Russkie AKM at least, if not more.

>Corrected TOTAL
23.6-24.1lb

No research was made in this, so feel free to look it up to see if I'm wrong. Love the AK, but having a vZ.58 would be lighter, and also the advantage of being able to have half your ammo in clips would very much improve your loadout weight.

>>32560067
AK-47 with 3 spare mags would be pleasantly light. About 11.8lb, I wager. 11.82 if you have one in the chamber.

... I'm joking, I'm not THAT fucking precise, Jesus Christ. But yeah, 11.8lb by my estimations.

>>32559911
if you don't want integral kneepads then there's nothing super special worth buying, it's just extra pockets and sometimes stretch material then, or occasionally DWR and special quick drying fabrics in the case of jungle-oriented uniforms.

you're natty guard so you should qualify for Beyond's Pro Program, maybe their A9 pants will be a reasonable price then. Or try the Patagonia pants, if you live somewhere hot/wet the jungle uniforms are supposed to be GOAT.

are chicom rigs the master race?

>usually 3 or 4 mags, light weight
>simple, cheap, can also put a radio, poncho, balaclava etc. in it
>doesn't take up a lot of space, perfect for modern guerilla actions

Perfect for fat asses that want to play soldier against tyranny right? Less weight to make up for the poor conditioning.

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Is it feasible to get one of these LBT rigs in AOR1? Or should I just get one of those Semapo airsoft repros? Anyone have any experience with that brand?

I don't really want to suck off Mark Owen or anything, but I've always liked AOR1, and I like the idea of the triple mags plus some extra MOLLE. Any other similar rigs that are worth purchasing with a similar layout?

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>>32560166
I love chicoms.

>>32560127
My stuff measured about 14 lb

>>32560197
how about kill yourself you flaming lesbian

>>32560166
>>32560200
as an added bonus you don't feel like a turtle when going prone because lol two rows of magazines

>>32560166
I tried to google chicorn gear/chicorn vest, and it basically showed me a bunch of pics of fucking chickens. Also, some chickens wearing vests. Oh, and if you google 'money shot', you'll probably also still find an image of that one "Heeeey, that's pretty goooood"/"I have crippling depression/osteoporosis" guy holding a gigantic dildo.

>>32560212
I consider it every day, friend.

>>32560210
What model AK-47, and does it have an optic? Also, did you only include the firearm and mags or did you include the rig itself as well? I was ONLY taking into account the firearm and ammo. I don't know the weight of other actual equipment, and also you didn't mention any optics.

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>>32560001
It's a 14.5" lightweight barrel...It's also rare I would have the mag carrier on my belt and the chest rig on at the same time, unless one of Nutnfancy's wet dream WROL scenarios came true and I needed every bit of ammo I can carry ready and available.

It's a bretty light loadout all things considered though. That rifle is closer to 7 lbs unloaded if I remember right, maybe pushing 8 with the light attached, the barrel and rail are both in at the light end of their class.

Accuracy is standard accuracy for a run of the mill decent, non-precision AR. Only opens up after a considerable amount of rounds dumped in quick succession, at which point I'd be dumping ammo to lower heads and running away should some SHTF fantasy occur.

>dumping my red dot
You're overthinking weight in a big way. That's coming from someone who loves putting miles under their boots on hunting excursions or hiking through the mountains.

For size comparison, here's that upper against an 18" Mk12 clone.

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>>32560246
chicom rig + Bulgarian AK-74

>>32560166
Can I stuff two 74 mags into the pouches? Asking for a friend.

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>>32560327
lots of chicom rigs are different, but this one I don't think so.

here's a pic

>>32560197
Eagle used to make a similar 3 mag chest rig but they discontinued it, you can still find some on ebay

first spear made a 4 mag version for Mk17 mags for NSW, you can find AOR1 and AOR2 ones on ebay for surprisingly reasonable prices.

>>32560224
chicom, not chicorn
short for chinese communist

>>32560253
Shit, looks like I fucked up on the barrel pretty good, but it does look thick. Yeah, I do overthink weight a lot, but I just find it fascinating to think about loadouts and how light they can be made, or in contrast how heavy they can be if you go overboard in certain things. Sounds awesome though, sadly I've only gone hunting once so far, and it wasn't even a successful hunt. Hopefully I'll get things on track properly so I can get more experience. As for hiking though, I don't know if I'd call it that, but I've gone on 5-8km MANY times, sometimes with a backpack as weighed down with as many books as possible. I was going to College at the time.

>>32560285
Ah, see I wasn't including the rig. Also, I dare say the Bulgarian AK is heavier than a Russian AK? That rig looks gorgeous, btw. I heard it's Chinese-made?

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>>32560366

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Mega new fag here. What is this? The seller also had another carrier that has a BIG bag of pouches that came with it?

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>>32560383
>That rig looks gorgeous, btw. I heard it's Chinese-made?

You funny guy.

>>32560366
>>32560389
wew. okay. thanks.

>>32560392
RBAV

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>>32560392
This is the pic of everything he has. He doesn't have any details up or a price. What should I offer him for it?

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>>32560383
I think your eyes are playing tricks on you in that pic, it's about as thin as a barrel can get while remaining resilient/functional. Definitely lightweight.

Thinking about weight is never a bad thing though, I've learned the hard way what overpacking can do to a man over the course of a multiple-day trip out on the trail. Just gotta think about it from a function vs strain standpoint. The few ounces that red dot weighs for example are well worth it for the enhanced functionality I get out of it.

5-8km is a decent little hike. Nothing I would consider extremely strenuous but can definitely be enough to give a man a feel for his kit, boots, etc before heading out deeper/longer.

Here's a good pic showing the thickness of that barrel compared to a standard gov't profile.

>>32560419
i wouldn't recommend making an offer until you know which things are real

right now RBAVs are moving for pretty cheap, like $170 brand new

>>32560444
if anything i would cut weight on the rail system well before cutting weight by taking off optics or reducing the barrel profile

Opinions on surpat pattern?

>>32560467
That would make more sense if weight is really a concern on that front. I'm comfortable as hell with the weight of that little rifle though. Substantially lighter than the bigger bore hunting rifles I lug around on excursions over rougher terrain than I'd likely ever haul that gun over.

>>32560468
Is camouflage. Has green. Has other colors. Works in terrain that has colors like it has. Works less good in other terrain.

>>32560373
Looks like I'm derping hard today. Chicom, I'll try to remember that.

>>32560401
What? That I wasn't sure it was Chinese or that I think it looks gorgeous? I'm not all that familiar with actual rig/gear stuff, I just have an unhealthy obsession with loadout weight.

How about that Chicom SKS rig though, can carry something crazy like, what was it, 30 clips or something? Insane stuff, but fucking hot. FYI, 3 SKS clips weigh very close to the same as a loaded STANAG mag or a bakelite AK-74 mag. Interesting little factoid there.

>>32560444
Nice trips. I don't really see the value of red dots, but to each their own. Yeah yeah yeah, only one thing to focus on instead of two, higher visibility, and all that stuff, but in my view, if you can't shoot as well or better with irons than you can with a red dot, then you're not practicing enough. At least you have back up irons though; I HATE seeing rifles without any irons whatsoever.

Perhaps it was the length of the rails in comparison to the M4 style handguard that kind of toyed with my head. As for barrel thickness, perhaps the lack of that little thin bit is what did it, I don't know, but it's clear I'm not on my game tonight. Beautiful stuff though.

>>32560531
>if you can't shoot as well or better with irons than you can with a red dot, then you're not practicing enough
Red dots will always be quicker and also help you shoot from awkward positions.

>>32560531
>What? That I wasn't sure it was Chinese or that I think it looks gorgeous? I'm not all that familiar with actual rig/gear stuff, I just have an unhealthy obsession with loadout weight.

$15 - $25 Chinese Communist chest rig off Amazon/Ebay. Definitely not high quality stuff, but it carries mags.

>>32560419
That's a whole SLFCS bag. i'll give im tree fiddy.

>>32560531
Shooting with irons is a skill every competent shooter needs to have. Red dots aid in speed and they are invaluable in low light. Those are areas pure irons will never be able to match.

As >>32560548 pointed out they are also exceptional when it comes to quickly putting hits on targets from awkward positions. With [nearo] zero parallax, I can very quickly use my front irons as a reference point and put a big glowing dot in the right spot from just about any angle and any position where getting a good iron sight picture would be slower, tougher or near impossible.

Just ordered 762 tactical's Chicom rig in surpat

The wait begins

>>32560067
>>32560222
Isn't a standard combat load 7 or 9 magazines?

>>32560589
>tfw you have astigmatism

the dot will never look right

feelsbad

>>32560593
"standard" is kind of silly, your circumstances should dictate how much ammo you need to carry.

>>32560593
American Militias all set their own standards.

But yes, carry a few more mags in your pack.

>>32560557
>SLFCS bag
Can you translate that to newfag for me? What is it?

>>32560642
>But yes, carry a few more mags in your pack.
Why would you not want it on your person? You carry spare rounds in your pack. Magazines need to be immediately accessible

>>32560653
Special forces load carrying system.

>>32560593
US military baseline standard is 6+1. Roundabouts there is what most people carry. Maybe a little less for the guys who mostly roll mounted, maybe a couple more for the guys who roll dismounted, but at a certain point carrying a fuckton of mags on a vest for everything becomes a hinderance, so usually not much more than the baseline for any kind of normal quickie or 1 day patrol. More ammo for longer or deeper missions, or operations where somebody knows they are going to be acting as a base of fire element. But then again in those circumstances those people are likely getting loaded down with extra machinegun, shoulder fire, or mortar ammo.

Then again, the TRADOC standard FLC pouch setup *can* fit 18 mags. If you hate yourself enough.

But this is all military perspective. For a civilian, I dunno. Lots of ammo is good I guess, but when's the next time you plan of laying down a sustained base of fire to support an L-shape?

>>32560548
>>32560589
To each their own I suppose, but I don't see them as being beneficial enough to bother with the added bulk/weight of a firearm, even if it's a compact/light/durable design. I love muh irons, and my experiences with red dots has not been too good. Then again, I never tried a red dot that cost over $20 so that's probably why. If I ever use an optic, it's going to have magnification to some degree, and preferably not more than 4x.

>>32560551
Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it's no good or lacking in quality. As long as it's relatively comfortable, can take some degree of abuse, and is easy/ergonomic/intuitive to use, then I'd call it high quality even if I got it at a discount for $5. I don't like getting fancy, lack of fanciness doesn't mean using brittle/bad gear.

>>32560653
It's the Special Forces Load Carrying System
basically dudes get issued a bigass kit of a bunch of gear.

>>32560704
>becomes a hinderance
Just get fitter.
You as a civilian won't be also carrying main gun ammo, radio equipment, explosives, etc.

If an entire section of soldiers (let's say 6 rifles + 2 main guns) contains 42 magazines (6+1 x 6), then imagine how short lived only 3+1 would be?
IMO, especially if you're rolling a small group or going alone, you'd want 8+1 magazines. It isn't going to be that much heavier.

>>32560704
>18 mags
That's for the team masochist I guess.

>Hey Bill
>I'm loaded down with candy bars and beat off magazines
>Gonna need you to carry muh mags
>Oh an John's mags, he filled his pouches with cans of dip

>>32560680
>>32560653
>SLFCS

Looks like a flightbag with a load of odds and ends in it. Ain't nothing "Spesul forces" about it. He's got an RBAV, mixed with some ancient looking Blackhawk stuff, mixed with some ATACS stuff, mixed with god knows what. There's no rhythm or reason to it, certainly not a "Special Forces kit"; there are components, but not any recognizable pattern. It's not the old SPEAR loadbearing stuff stuff, it's not the baseline Eagle Industries stuff in most of the deployment books, it's not stuff with NSNs (aside from the RBAV), it's not super Gucci newer stuff that gets supplementary bought and issued through units.

It just looks like a hodgepodge.

>>32560754
a statistically-averaged-out firefight consumes 3-4 mags. So 6+1 provides a decent safety margin if you're expecting 1 fight per day and will be replaced by the unit's reserve afterwards with supply also 1 day out.

SF dudes often roll with 3+1 because they aren't expecting heavy combat (and because they usually have air support already on site).

>>32560745
>Then again, I never tried a red dot that cost over $20 so that's probably why.

Please stop giving your input on red dots then. I love irons and the skills they give as much as the next guy, but red dots are better in every way exactly because they are easier to use. Practice with irons, fight with red dots.

>>32560873
To each their own; our opinions differ.

>>32560754
>Just get fitter.

At a certain point carrying a fuckload of mags for every single patrol becomes a hinderance. This is a truth. I've seen pics online of prepper types measuring dicks with like 12 mags on their vests.

>3+1
I never mentioned 3+1.

>>32560767
I was just giving an example of how variable it was. If you're supporting a base of fire it might makes sense, but yeah threw it out as an example of how stupid you can go with it.

>>32560861
>SF dudes often roll with 3+1 because they aren't expecting heavy combat (and because they usually have air support already on site).

Source.

>>32560899

Literally no. Every professional gunfighter who's not dead and has a kill count of 1+ uses a red dot for the obvious reason that it is vastly superior to iron sights. Fuck off as you don't know what you are talking about.

>>32560861
False. I roll with 6+1. 3+1 is very very uncommon. Let me guess, you watched inside pararescue and saw the CRO with 3 mags?

>>32560930
not him but NSW guys are notorious for this
3 mags on the chest, 1 in the gun, nothing else
kind of dumb in my opinion but whatever

>>32560610
That's a tough break. I shelled out money for laser eye surgery about a decade ago which killed my eye tisms. They've creeped back in slightly, but a simple dot is still plenty usable and not the bright, smudgy star it used to be.

EOTechs used to be nice and crisp when I did have eye tisms though, have you tried getting behind one of those?

>>32560973
Source?

Even the 2cool4u Navy EOD guys I worked with carried 6+1.

>>32560861
>a statistically-averaged-out firefight consumes 3-4 mags.
Source

>>32560973
I mean it's likely highly dependent on the situation like most things. When we'd run blocking positions or QRF in Iraq, SOF cool guys would often run quick DA raids with limited loadout, but that's because they had us if shit got more serious than anticipated and their mission was only likely to last 15-30 minutes.

In shitghanistan if we came across cool guys in the wild they were generally loaded down more than we were with kit and mags.

>"The normal military standard is 'x'"
>Thread descends into shitposting about Spesul Forces based of vague rumors and assumptions

It's like /k/ really believes the military is mostly made of up Special Operators.

>>32561092
But most infantry carry 6+1 for a normal automatic rifle. Some carry 8+1 if they're taking an extended patrol or expect heavy engagement.

>>32561092
In all honesty, as annoying as it is, SOF guys would have more in common with /k/ loadouts than mainline forces simply by virtue of numbers and support. A 6-12 dude team out on their own doing whatever cool guys like to do applies more to an individual here than an infantry platoon with support elements, rifle squads and fire support squads.

Not that any of it is based in reality on this board and for the applications of anon, but the correlation, if there is any, makes sense.

>>32561141
fuck you i'm an ODST I operate alone. First in, never out.

>>32561119
Yes. It's very cut and dry.

The thread somehow transformed into 'yeah well I heard that special forces carry..." with the answer based on once having seen a SOF guy, having seen a TV show, or just pulled straight out of the ol' asshole.

>>32561006
based on what i read from mark owen

in retrospect i have no idea if it applies to the regular teams as well

>>32561141
Then why even ask what the standard is? All these modified Special Operations ammo counts aren't standard...they are modified.

The only connecting thread is modifications to fit intended use. So rather than just mimicking your favorite SEAL, it's better to just think it through. I'm sure every amount of mags from 1 has 35 has been carried at some point, so why even autism on it?

>>32556047

are there any eurofags that live in nuclear winter conditions that can recommend me some winter socks

socks i can wear that are so warm i only need sandals in the snow

maybe some trousers too that are relatively casual

>>32560949
Every professional gunfighter... like for instance, aaaaaaall those soldiers around the world who are trained, the vast majority of whom just use irons? Sure... I still believe red dots are negligibly better than irons AT BEST, but hey, we've already covered the whole 'to each their own' thing, so why not just drop it? I have my beliefs, you have yours... no need to continue this, really.

>>32561204
Don't ask me brother, I have no dog in this fight and haven't been bickering back and forth about it. I mentioned above that it's all dependent on the situation at-hand. There is no perfect loadout. I agree that something like 6+1 is about as good a standard between function and bulk/weight as you could achieve for general purposes.

That being said, it all boils down to dozens of different factors and some common sense.

>>32560949
>it is vastly superior to iron sights
I dunno about combat, but the people I 2 guns with as well as myself noted that red dots are better, but not by a huge margin.
Iron sights really aren't that bad.

>>32561215
>like for instance, aaaaaaall those soldiers around the world who are trained, the vast majority of whom just use irons?

Anybody who can afford it has optics. Literally the only reason a soldier doesn't carry one is because they are poor.

Red dots are fucking standard issue for a reason.

>I have my beliefs, you have yours... no need to continue this, really.

Your beliefs are objectively wrong. There is a reason red dots and irons have to be in separate shooting competition classes. Because red dots absolutely wreck irons.

>>32560930
>Source.

I met some SF dudes on deployment and they were doing the same thing each time, so it wasn't a one-off.

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>>32561215
>the vast majority of whom just use irons?
If you're in an army that's actually good at killing people, they issue you optics.

Anyways try shooting targets at night with irons and tell me red dots are negligibly better. You're trying to line up a black post with a black aperture, then align that on a dark (and likely camouflaged) target on a dark background. It's a complete shitshow. There's a reason the Son Tay Raiders brought Singlepoint optics.

>>32561215
The reason I continue this is because you have no practical experience with optics let alone gunfighting so why are you giving your opinion? This is the problem with gear queer threads. Guys with no idea what they are doing giving advice that has no basis in reality.

>>32561230
Not bickering with you. Just frustrated in general at how an easy question about a baseline gets a complicated answer with "facts" based on hearsay.

>>32561259

i can definitely confirm my aimpoint micro outshot a nikon 1-4x entry level scope by at least a whole half of an MOA

reflex sights are underrated, true red dots will tell you where the sweet spot is and the rest is fundamentals

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>>32560383
>That rig looks gorgeous, btw. I heard it's Chinese-made?

kek

>>32561345
Red dots aren't under rated. People who have actually used them love them. Remember you're arguing with a guy who claims to have only ever shot a $20 red dot. Gee, I wonder why he thinks his Tasco or NCStar red dot sucks?

Plus people shooting from benches just don't appreciate how much faster dots are. Try shooting from multiple cover positions on a Vtac board with irons and then dots. Dots faster erry time.

>not starting at 6+1 and actually using it to see if more or less is what will work for what you intend your gear to be used
>basing it off what others who have different MOs than you and different logistical supports
If you base your mag load off what the army uses you play dress up.

>>32561412
This. I started with one, and I did NOT FEEL SAFE.

>>32561412
90% of /GQ/ doesn't have an intended use. That's the core of the problem right there famalam. How can anybody agree to what is right for the mission when there is no mission?

It's the eternal shitposting hell in which we live.

>>32561442
Don't forget, you're here forever.

No reason for anyone to get the least bit worked up, the tsunami of autism will never be stopped. Impart your wisdom, run your shit as you see fit, let everyone else fuck off.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESS-CROSSBOW-Polarized-Military-Goggles-3-4-or-5-Lens-Ballistic-Army-Sunglasses-/151821154669?var=&hash=item23593ef96d:m:mJuFMXhm6FRA7oOCgysG9pw

Why is this so cheap? It looks real. Could it be fake? Wtf

>>32561442
dude that deep and tragic.

>How can anybody agree to what is right for the mission when there is no mission?

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Anyone got a good suggestion for a double rifle soft case that can fit a pair of AKs?

I need one that isn't shit.

>>32560200
How wide are the webbing straps?

>>32561524
>mission in life is to find a mission worth going on

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>>32561524
I just set up my gear so I can sleep at night. It's autism, but I can't be fully calm without knowing my gear is ready.

>mfw when I miss the taste of operating so much that it hurts sometimes.

>>32561442

i never understood why people buy overpriced shit for something that may or may not happen but everyone has hobbies i guess

im perfectly content with a duct-taped alice harness, concealed vest and some cheap noise cancelling earbuds as a substitution for earpro just so i can listen to jams while i 'operate'

truth be told gear and guns are the last of my worries if signs of things going south start to arise in the media, by then i will be more concerned with my tobacco, alcohol, caffeine and water supply

there is literally zero point in going another day looking like some PMC wannabe if i don't have some grizzly winter, luckys, red stag, 5 hour energy / monster / starbucks or a functioning electronic device that has porn on it unless i am directly doing some humanitarian aid in the event i am called out of IRR

>>32558572
Lmao he isn't wrong, that came before the milsurp General circle jerk

>>32559911
It's a chest rig that can accept a plate if need be faggot. Nothing gay about that
>>32560767
Kek

>>32560823
>>32560409
>>32560467
>>32560557
>>32560680
Thanks a lot yall.

I might offer him $125 shipped for the RBAV, but I already spent too much on an eagle CIRAS w/ kevlar and esapis for my first vest yesterday.

>>32561259
>Literally the only reason a soldier doesn't carry one is because they are poor.
Soldier here. I use irons. Our issued M68 CCO has to be lined up with the front sight post so it's just a rear sight that runs out of batteries.

>>32561812
>Our issued M68 CCO has to be lined up with the front sight post so it's just a rear sight that runs out of batteries.
this is factually incorrect and whoever told you this is a fucking retard

>>32561812
>Our issued M68 CCO has to be lined up with the front sight post so it's just a rear sight that runs out of batteries.

Holy shit please be trolling. If legit opinion, you'd be the second dumbest soldier I'd ever met using CCOs.

>>32561812
I found next issue of GQs front page quote. Johnson didn't even have to say anything.

>>32561835
>>32561838
Then explain why my shots are off every time I don't line it up with the front sight post

>>32561838
Who is the first?

>>32561274
What about tritium irons?! Checkmate, athiests.

>>32561345
At least try for the battery angle broski.

>>32561872
>Didn't zero it correctly.
>You're a terrible shot.

How do you think people shoot red dots with flip down irons? What even do you think red dots are for. Is "parallax" too big of a word for you and do you understand how red dots don't have it? Holy shit.

Please be trolling.

>>32561872
>Then explain why my shots are off every time I don't line it up with the front sight post

This has to be bait.

>>32561872

You probably zeroed your sight improperly. And while best practice is to zero with the dot centered (which should cowitness with your irons), the point of impact is not dependent on dot position inside the optic for the most part. Having said that, it's possible to be /slightly/ off depending on your cheekweld/lack thereof -- but the dot would need to be pretty much at the edge of the lens.

I'm in the market for some new pants. Currently have the crye g3s in MCB for work (mechanical shop)
>inb4 "so you spend a lot of time on your knees?"
>those built in pads are fucking awesome
Looking for the same kind of pants but in that original woodland camp. Cryes website doesn't have it listed as a color, but I have seen them. Any of you anons know where to acquire said pants?

>>32561898
>Didn't zero it correctly.
My unit doesn't have boresight lasers so all we can do is lolipop it through the irons.
>terrible shot
I'll admit the only time my unit ever practices marksmanship is at the qual range, where I'm shooting 38-39 with irons, so no I don't have any extensive experience with an M68

>Is "parallax" too big of a word for you and do you understand how red dots don't have it? Holy shit.
Considering everyone is just insulting me instead of explaining, no.

>>32561894

Not really good for rifles tbqh. The front sight posts are huge and, at least for aperture sights, the rear tritium vials are useless. The East Germans/whoever else used them had the right idea with flip-up night sights on their AKs.

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Just got the pants. My experiment to dye acu mags into ranger green failed. They turned out into a jungle green.

>>32561894
tritium irons a shit, either you have no rear sight reference, or you have two vials right up next to your eye, shining way brighter than the front vial you actually care the most about.

>>32561937
the M81 Cryes are incredibly expensive cause they never made them a regular stocking item and the ones they did make were all intended for US SF and MARSOC. There are chinese copies out there.

>>32561878
Little girlie who was squirreled away in some battalion admin position. She got a set of cool guy gear when we all upgraded. So she goes to the range to shoot with an Eotech on her M4.

Can't hit a goddamn thing. SNCO is there coaching her, asking her if she sees the red ring and all that, talking her through the fundamentals. This went on for like an hour, her groups were all of the place.

Finally SNCO decides to look through her rifle and shoot it himself. Eotech is not turned on. He asks about this. Girlie is totally bewildered at the concept of turning on an Eotech. SNCO brain starts to visbily fracture. He asks her what she had been doing the past hour. She thought you just put the front sight post anywhere inside the Eotech window and shoot to aim. He asks why the fuck she kept saying "yes" when he asked if she could see the red dot/ring. She said she was nervous. SNCO loses his shit.

Sad/funny.

>>32561942
>My unit doesn't have boresight lasers so all we can do is lolipop it through the irons.

Ok, I'm done. I can't take this rusing anymore.

>>32561582

Guys pls.

>>32561942

You need to zero the optic independently of the irons. Simply lining up the dot with your (already zero'd) irons will get you close, but it won't be a proper zero. You're likely off a few inches at 100 yards if you're just eyeballing the dot's zero off the irons.

>>32561937
I'll sell you mine for two grand.

>>32561960
Again, ya know, I am selling them.

>>32562024
Kek

>>32561980
So if I zeroed it properly, I shouldn't need to line it with the front sight post, is what you're saying?

I'm genuinely asking here. The Army is generally fucking terrible with marksmanship, except maybe the infantry, but then again I've seen the same guys re-do 3-4 times to get expert for EIB when we shared a range. It's not like we can just take the rifles, or even the sights, wherever and whenever we want just to dick around with them, so it's a matter of the individual wanting to spend a fuckton on a milspec-ish AR and $3-400 sight just to practise on a rather perishable skill that won't be used until months later at the earliest. Which I'm not willing to do. There are some things I just don't know, and I can't pick up what's not put down.

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>>32561960
Getting non-shit tritium irons is a good idea too. Naturally worse than a red dot at night but people haven't really shot with them and just use heresay (quite unusual for the gun world I'm sure)
>>32561946
The one trijicon makes isn't much larger up front and has two small dots that line up quite well, similar to pistol sights.

>tritium for slaying dem robots

>>32562099
The myth of zero parallax is just that. That being said, if you are shooting past 25m or so, the point of aim is the right point of aim anywhere you are seeing a dot inside an aimpoint. Meaning, while alignment over your irons is preferred and a good point of reference, it should not be required on targets past that range.

What distance are you shooting at?

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>>32562099
Holy fuck you fucking idiot. I can't believe you are real. You must be a troll.

Holy shit do you even understand what red dots are for? THE ENTIRE POINT IS REMOVING THE NEED TO LINE THEM UP WITH ANYTHING. Parallax free. That is why they exist.

How do you think people without front sightposts shoot their red dots? Nigga read a book. Read an FM. Watch a youtube video on the subject, any youtube video.

Jesus Christ. Tell me that for the love of fucking god you aren't combat arms.

>>32562106
cmon, by "isn't much larger" you mean it's nearly double the width of a standard post. sucks for any kind of precise shooting. also tfw the tritium dims significantly in 5-10 years

>>32562099
read TC 3-22.9 and your transgressions will be forgiven

>>32562125
>if you are shooting past 25m or so, the point of aim is the right point of aim anywhere you are seeing a dot inside an aimpoint

No. No. No.

The point of aim with a red dot is the zero/repeat zero distance. Anything in between those distances requires shooting low, anything within that distance requires shooting high.

Ballistic arc vs straight line of sight.

>>32562125
50-300m.

So at those ranges, the round goes where the dot is, then?

>>32562099

Yes. The whole point of a RDS is to allow the shooter to not have to line up anything -- just place the dot on the target and shoot.

Theoretically, your zero for the irons and the RDS should be the same (example: I use a 100 meter zero for both on 5.56 guns). However, each needs to be zeroed independently, and one should not require the other to get hits.

My zeroing process is as follows:
1) With the dot off, establish a rough iron sight zero at 25 meters using a scaled 100 meter zeroing target.
2) Adjust the dot to where it cowitnesses with my rough zero'd iron sight picture (i.e. when looking through the rear aperture, the dot is resting roughly at the tip of the front sight). Take care to leave the dot as centered in the tube as possible.

If you're in the Army and in a non-combat role, the process likely ends here. The Army likes 25 meter zeros. Experience has taught me they are inadequate, and my 25 meters zero is typically off by at least an inch or two at 100 meters.

3) Repeat step 1 with the RDS, except my irons will be folded down if possible (probably not in your case -- I would assume you're using a fixed front. If that's the case, at least fold your rear sight down to discourage you from using your irons for the zeroing process).
4) Move to 100 meters. Fine tune the zero with the dot off.
5) Repeat step 4 with the RDS, taking care to ignore the iron sights. As before, take care to leave the dot as centered in the tube as possible.

Now, you can obviously swap the ranges out within reason (however, I'd never zero closer than 25 yards) -- for example if you're mandated to use a 25/300 zero or a 50/200 zero, do your confirmations there. Nevertheless, you should ALWAYS confirm and fine tune at your far distance when given the opportunity. The short distance zeros are just an approximation, and some adjustment will be required at the range the zero is supposed to be at.

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>>32562202
I feel very sad having to pull this fucking photo out for somebody in the Army. I added an Aimpoint to make it less confusing.

The POI will intersect with your dot at the zero and repeat zero distances. You have to aim low between those distances.

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>>32562202
Not precisely. You really need to read the TM, there is too much information you're missing that to be explained right now.

>>32562207 is spot on with what a good zero procedure should look like

>>32562161
I knew that the EOTechs and shit I've seen people use didn't require lining up, and reflexes in general. I just thought the M68, specifically, was shitty.

>>32562193
No shit. That's basic understanding. I said "point of aim is the right point of aim" not "point of aim is the point of impact." Two VERY different things.

>>32562202
No. The round goes where it would go based on that point of aim and your zero. So if you are zeroed at 50/200, your dot would be your zero at those ranges and your round would go high/low where it should based on that zero. Using your front sight post as your alignment should only really affect your point of impact left and right of target, if at all.

>>32562202

What's the zeroing distance?

With a 25/300m zero (common but I think it sucks): within 25m the shot will be an inch or so low, the bullet begins rising past your sighting plane beyond 25m, reaches its highest point (~4" high) around 150-180m, and begins dropping. It's dead on again at around (but not exactly) 300m. The Army liked this zero because you put the dot on the dude's chest and you'd hit him from 0-300m. You'd always be within about 4" of your point of aim.

The (also common, and IMO better) 50/200m zero works off of the same concept, except this time you're always within ~2" of your point of aim (again low <50, 50-200 high, >200 low).

I prefer a 100m zero, as at 100m the bullet is at its highest point of travel; thus, everything both closer and further than 100m is low. Therefore, I never have to hold under for a precise shot -- I'm always holding over. The trajectory still keeps me within about 2" out to 250m or so.

>>32562281
I well and truly hope this cured you of your retardation.

>>32562257
I know how aiming works. I just had an issue with the specific equipment, and when I said "round hits where the dot is at" that only worked at the actual zeroed range, but under 300m the variance in point of aim is negligible to the point of "shoot him in the dick" works at every target.

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Posting my shit.

>>32562179
>0.090" vs 0.070"
It's really not that bad.
>Buy muh trit-clit tickler sight
>Realize it's a fat piece of shit and can't hit anything due to the glowing donkey dick attached to my barrel
>Just wait 12.3 years and it's now half the size!

>>32561523
>ships from China
It's fake.

>>32562321
>Grippods are heavy and do the worst of both worlds for bipod/VFG work. I understand the appeal of Grippods for trainingisms to be able to put a rifle down, but they seriously bulk up the rifle. IRL deployment, I'd ditch it for either nothing or a small VFG.
>I don't like ALICE rucks. MALICE solves some of the smaller issues, but the shitty frame and overal shape is still an issue. Nostalgic and cool looking, but I'd consider a full sized internally framed ruck like a Mystery Ranch or an Eberlestock (I see you already have their medium pack).
>Make sure the white strip on your CAT is not over the windlass gate. Small thing, but can significantly slow you down in emergencies.
>Earpro: You're arty, so may as well get some Surefire EPs and go double plugged with them under your muffs. Normally I don't think this is required for folks, but you may be in need.
>Purpose of carrying Ranger handbook in a field kit? (legit question, seems the kind of thing to read *before* the patrol)
>I'd stick a headlamp on you helmet. Not even a tacticool one, just a cheap Petzl with a flippable red filter. Secure it with some 550 under the front helmet screws and either more 550 in back or under your goggle retention bands
>I'd pack some electrical tape too.
>Make sure your batteries are taped up on the contacts so they don't discharge.
>Stuff sacks (sea-to-summit desu) are far superior to using trahs bags to seperate your clothes.
>Adding in a plastic camping bowl will make MREs much more like meals. Very helpful.
>Polymer camping coffee mug will let you actually drink MRE coffee. Be the envy of all your friends.
>Get a multispice container to make MREs slightly more tastier.

Overall solid kit. 5/7. I'd trust you to zero my Aimpoint any day.

>>32562384
how can they make AR FSPs with tritium at 0.090"? IIRC the NRC mandates a certain amount of metal around the vial, hence why you can't get trijicon to make you a tritium front sight 0.110" wide.

>>32562729
should read:
hence why you can't get trijicon to make you a tritium pistol front sight 0.110" wide.

>>32556325
>>32556316
and if you know what SERE attache do overseas, yes he is basically like a PJ. Just without the cool beret.

>>32562524
>Grippod, it's so convenient
>You're not wrong but I can't ditch it. I like it too much for it's large main pouch. Mystery Ranch does good stuff but I'm too Jewish to drop 650 for a new ruck. If I had known before I bought my Malice pack I would have considered it. Maybe in the future if I go to AFG.
>I did not know this about CATs, thanks.
>I have a bag of like three surefire EPs somewhere. I'm not a fan of double plugging but...I hate my tinnitus more.
>Handbook is more for reference in case of a SHTF scenario also reading material. It briefs well in a layout.
>I usually do that but during the day it's in my assault pack.
>I should get some electrical tape.
>I didn't know about taping batteries. Appreciate it.
>I'll look into stuff sacks but I'm all about that simple solution
>Creature comforts are always nice. Btw the winter freeze dried MREs are dope

>>32561582
got one for xmas a few years back of that same in pict
it sound be just fine for both AKs, has internal velcro straps

>>32561582
my vodoo tac case is cheap and just werks

>>32561384
I loved using chimps aimpoint

>>32561812
hahahaha.
>comp m4
>run out of batteries
maybe kill yourself dude.
>>32561872
7/10 bait, I'm triggered but I know you're rusing me

>>32562524
this whole thread reminds me of the time my unit had to help a pog unit zero and qualify. fucking hilarious

>>32562297
>bullet begins rising.
you have no fucking clue what you are talking about do you

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>>32563539
He's mistaken...not completely off point but wrong.

>>32559262
Is that the kind that screens out cuties for Anti-THOT warfare? Protect yourself from their mind control!

>>32563539
They rise in the sense of gaining altitude, because the actual bore is angled above the sight's angle to compensate for gravity, in order to zero at a certain distance. This is true for any gun (inb4 autism, gun as in anything from an M9 to naval artillery). He's not saying it magically lifts itself up, he's saying from the shooter's perspective (and the earth's really) the round gains altitude before coming back down.

>>32563364
I could zero and qual just fine, I just had an issue about the M68 specifically and didn't know it was the same as any other red dot. I, too, have seen people at soldier boards that I was literally asked to teach how to zero... when I was competing against them

>>32563600
How is he wrong?
What part of parabolic do you not understand?

>>32563784
What >>32563671 said

Because the round doesn't rise. It's technically angled ever so slightly.

I'm having a hard time justifying buying the gear I want. Just convince me 200usd is well spent into gear that I want... please I realllly wanna spend it. But I'm stuck on the fence

>>32564022
Buy in increments and focus on the essentials first. Spare ammo (and a way to carry it), medical supplies and water should be your first priorities in that order.

>>32564095
This

Buy stuff when you come across a need for it. Buying incrementally also helps not kill the bank balance.

>>32564095
Good call. I know it's simple but sometimes it's easy to forget. I'm one of those guys, loved gear, always have. And I could justify the purchase as a hobby buy. But I'm fairly Jew when it comes to money and I'm worried I'll spend the dough and not use it enough.

Glad you said that though because it reminded me to buy from the start up. Rather than needing to buy it all at once.

>>32556224
>liking the look of this
Then why do you even care about how good it is

>>32564022
Gear is not the answer. You'd be fine with a Jansport, a Nalgene, and hopefully a solid IFAK. The real question is, how much ammo do you have? And when's the last time you hit the range, or did some PT?

>>32561081
>>32561081

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>>32564425
>or did some PT
cannot stress this enough


Unrelated.
Which one is sexier, /GQ/?
[ᛋᛋ] Black or [Militant] green?
I like both, but I'm thinking the green is more utilitarian for hunting and RaHoWa.

>>32561705
no it didn't. the day it was made people were complaining it looks to much like the milsurp one.

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Are there protection glasses with dioptria correction? Or should I wear ordinary glasses and protection glasses both?
How do you operate with this? Recommendations on glasses highly appreciated.

>>32565248
Protective eyewear?
ESS Crossbow, or ESS Crossbow Suppressor if you're wearing with earmuffs.

>>32565248
I have some revision sawfly glasses with the rx (prescription) carrier from my Reservist days.

Not a good look with clear/yellow lenses. At all.
Fine with black, but fogging is a problem if you're working hard. Lot of surfaces to keep clean.

>>32565248
the fuck is that jacket?

>>32565260
> Protective eyewear?
Yes, that's what I mean.
Thanks on your suggestion.
Are they good with glasses or they have dioptried lenses?

>>32565276
> Fine with black
Training in twilight, uhh, maybe not best choice to go with black.
> fogging
Isn't there ways to prevent it?
Also, how are they dealing with falling from sweaty head while running/jumping?

>>32565248
>>32565287
>>32565290
Yeah I like the jacket, what brand is it?

Not sure what dioptried is, but you can wear them with prescription lenses.

>http://www.esseyepro.com/Crossbow-ONE_353_detail.html#_overview
>http://www.esseyepro.com/U-Rx-Insert_191_detail.html
>http://www.esseyepro.com/Vice-Rx-Insert_118_detail.html
>http://www.esseyepro.com/High-Clearance-U-Rx-Eyeshield-Nosepiece_298_detail.html

>>32565295
> what brand is it?
This one, I assume
http://www.garsing.ru/catalogue/tactical/outerwear/kurtka-gru-demisezonnaya-so-semnoy-flisovoy-podkladkoy-gsg-10.html
Garsing - belarussian/russian company, making tactical gear, especially boots (not recommend boots, Butex is better)

>>32565295
>>32565317
And thanks for suggestion on glasses. Yes, I mean prescription glasses.

And sorry, I cannot find this model on their Eng site version. If you need something from description - I can translate if you want.

>>32565317
>>32565325
Reminds me of the SORD smock
http://www.sordaustralia.com/product.php?productid=226

>>32562729
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=CP25F
I think they just make the vial little smaller. It's not a huge dot by design and for function.

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What's a good fashy nametag?
Was thinking FASHY GOY or maybe FASHY GOY 14

>>32565877
Gecko45

But seriously, if you are not proud enough of your name to wear it, just leave the Velcro empty.

>>32563364
>this whole thread reminds me of the time my unit had to help a pog unit zero and qualify. fucking hilarious

I wasn't the guy who couldn't figure out the aimpoint, btw, just memeing.

>>32563161
>I usually do that but during the day it's in my assault pack. (headlamp)
I I mean, I had/have one permantly affixed to the helmet in a way where it's not a quick swap to put it on.
>I usually do that but during the day it's in my assault pack.
You probably already know this, but just in case- make sure to buddy tab all your tape, especially the stuff on the batteries. Nothing worse than trying to rip flat, old e-tape off of something with gloves on.
>I'll look into stuff sacks but I'm all about that simple solution
Trash bags work, but stuff sacks are reusable, and are a lot sturdier. You can also compact them a lot more than trash bags. They can also be used for innafield DIY washing of clothes to extend your sock/shirt usability if stuck out too long.
>Creature comforts are always nice. Btw the winter freeze dried MREs are dope
Ever try the First Strike MREs? Fucking awesome for taking on mission.

>>32565894
>gecko45
Didn't know what that was until I looked it up. It sounds like the entire of /k/ and 99% of the end users of any tactical gear or firearms.


>proud enough
Nah, just don't see a point in publicly displaying my name on my own bag.
It's not like a military setting where I want people to know my name so they know who's kit is who's, or so people can identify my from behind.

It's just to put on my backpack for a laff

>>32565930
You know, that makes some sense. After the glut of trips here who made up trip tapes I developed a bit of a bad attitude about vanity stuff like that.

I think humor works best when it is a little self-aware. You could go with a parent's nickname for you or just GEARQUEER for the giggles.

>My mother used to call me Bitty Bootle
>That name shall strike fear into the enemy

>>32565930
>>32565996
>name tape that says ANON
Kinda want, honestly.

>>32566009
(You)

>>32566027
kek

>>32558822
The hardware feels kind of cheap on it. I wish he used ITW stuff but for the price it's not bad. It's well sewn and durable, although I'm always a little worried I'm gonna brake a buckle.

>>32558822
Heard good things about it.
I've also heard praises about the AWS AK rig if you were looking for similar options. I'm tempted to get one for a light setup.

Are lasers only used with night vision?

>>32566766
there are visible and IR lasers. generally visible lasers are viewed as tacticool mallninja shit. IR lasers are invisible to the naked eye, they can be viewed through night vision, cameras, thermal imaging,ect. They are used primarily as a way to accurately and quickly aim a weapon while wearing bulky nvgs that dont really work with sights

but there are other uses for both visible and ir lasers.

>>32566766
Outside of some super specific niche reason, yes.

Aiming with visible lasers is actually pretty slow to do and you lose situational awareness. It takes a few seconds for you eyes to find the dot, and then to functionally aim you have to keep you eye on it. It's not like using a red dot at all.

IR lasers are easier because you have vision only in greens and your laser dot glows like the the fucking sun against the muted background.

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>>32567205
how much did you get the IR strobe for?

>>32567226
Got it from a friend, but just from googling it I've seen them anywhere from like 50 - 150USD

>>32567205
What headphones?

>>32567389
HL impact sports - Nothing crazy, but they were on sale for like 35 so I figured why not.

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>>32561274
>There's a reason the Son Tay Raiders brought Singlepoint optics.

Nah

>>32556287
my friend ordered from special russian shop and is a fucking impatient nigger, how long did you SRS order take? i want to order from there but dont want to wait 4 months.

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>>32567832
Make sure you order using EMS, not regular mail
regular mail will take about a month maybe 2 if you aren't lucky. EMS will take 2 weeks max

>>32567902
Its been almost twenty days here and not even a shipping confirmation has been sent to me

>>32567960
Happened to me too, message them on facebook and ask for a tracking number for the order number. It was the holidays so mail is all fucked up

>>32567973
Huh, i didnr know they had a fb. I messaged them, now to play the waiting game

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bump before everyone gets home from work.

Anyone know a good plate carrier between $100-300 dollars that is reliable and can work with my Condor rig?
Link to rig below
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0085Y4JF0/

>>32564231
Never thought about it like that anon, kys

>>32570122
http://www.skdtac.com/Mayflower-Assault-Plate-Carrier-APC-p/mfr.512.htm

Has clips for a chest rig and is probably one of the best plate carrier for your money.

>>32570122
Psstt... any plate carrier can work underneath load bearing gear. They don't have to be "compatible".

>>32570348
That's more what I was getting at.
>>32570441
Yes Anon. I know this. I already have a hell of a time with the camelbak and my sling-pack, I don't need any excess straps if I can help it.

Question here. What's your guys's take on steel plates? Any experience? I doubt I'll get some informative answers, but it's worth the try...

>>32570827
It's heavy.
It's also bulky.
It stops bullets though, so that's pretty cool.
Think of it as a middle between 3a soft armor and 4 ceramic.

>>32570827
High velocity and AP ammo goes through it like a hot knife through butter. I'd sooner trust my daughters virtue to a pack of dindus then use steel as ballistic protection.

>>32570827
> I doubt I'll get some informative answers
What kinda answers are you looking for?
If you just want an armor review then look for armor reviews.

Otherwise
>>32570987
This

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>>32556047
Anyone, have any pouch recommendations, for STANAG style mags.

>>32556047
Is the condor dump pouch good?

>>32571409
Open top
http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/taco-11TA00.html

Closed top double stack
http://www.optactical.com/empm4pm4doma.html

Single closed top
http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/taco-covered-18TAC0.html

>>32571410
It's a dump pouch. I can't reccomend you get one since they seem pointless, literally buy any brand it should be fine.

>>32567330
seriously?!?!?! a local shop sells strobes for like $20 hahaha i even have one i was just going to toss out.

>>32571484
Well ya I just googled ms2000 strobe, I didn't do that much in depth research as I got it from a friend. I don't doubt some army navy stores sell em cheap

>>32571075
No it doesn't.
Occasionally, a certain company will have a bad batch and .308 steel core through a 20inch barrel at 15 yards will go through it.

>>32571608
im also right next to one of the largest installations.

Magpull Core Breach vs Mechanix M-Pact

I'm leaning towards the M-Pact heavily.

>>32571612
.308 AP will absolutely defeat a level 3 steel plate every time with low impact angles.

>>32571628
Breach for discount Oakley Pilot tacticoolness, but the MPacts seem to feel great for a mid $20 glove, although I use Oakley Flexions since I'm cheap.

>>32571628
the mpact are more reasonably priced.

Why hasn't there been a jacket with MOLLE rings on it? Or a coat? Or a shirt! The possibilities are endless! MOLLE pajamas! MOLLE socks!

>>32571682
I'd buy some molle socks.

>>32571716
Tactical Solutions to cold feet and negative outc(um)ome actions with TactiSoct™! Only for the outrageously low price of 12.99$ plus shipping and handling, border prices. additional charges may occur.

>>32570987
Interesting, but doesn't it need to be inside something/covered with something for it to be safe to wear?
>>32571075
Which specific armor are you talking about? I don't think one can generalize that much.
>>32571228
Looking for an extremely concise pitting against ceramic.

>>32571761
>border prices.

GO AWAY BORDER JEW
You have no idea how much of a hassle it is shipping shit across the American Canadian border.

Does anyone know about the quality of Beez Combat Systems? They have a PC I am looking at.

>>32557866
fpr the cheeki breeki I recommend Splav

>>32571768
> extremely concise
If you have money there is literally 0 reason to not buy ceramic over steel.

It doesn't spall and shred your arms/legs/neck when you get hit, it doesn't get dunked on by common civvies calibers like .308 or 30.06, it's the same weight if not lighter and once again it doesn't spall and kill you when a shrapnel piece from a 5.56 flies into your brain stem when it shatters on your steel plate.

The only reason you'd ever buy steel is if you don't have $800 to spend on Ceramic plates.

>>32571409
Esstac KYWI's

>>32571780
But I am Canadian anon... Fucking trying to buy an MCR7 and the fuckers keep upping the shipping fee and I can't do shit!

>>32571805
>But I am Canadian
My condolences. I'm considering getting a P.O box in Detroit or Buffalo and pick stuff up every few months or so, and drive it across myself.

I recently just bought some LBT stuff, and molle stuff and shipping only cost me ~$40 USD a piece for two shipments so it wasn't that bad.

My gripe is when I already payed taxes on the things I bought for whatever state the company's in, and then I'll have to pay GST when they come up here. Taxed twice. Government get out REEEEEEEE

>>32571799
>>32571799
Point taken, but ceramic only stops a couple of rounds at most...

>>32571768
AR500 has had 3 or 4 recalls so there bad but I hate all steel armor companies since they shill their products as being indestructible and yet they shoot the plates from 15ft away with lead core ammo and claim it can defeat AP rounds in the same caliber. Be smart and buy ceramic when there's a sale, the price is usually close to steel armor and is way safer. Just make sure you buy from a legit company, the plates meet NIJ .06 standards and don't use fake categories like III+ and are tested and approved by NIJ certified labs. You may have to do a little digging or call the company but in the end if it's to protect your life than the effort is worth it.

>>32571881
So you've already made up your mind and want to be a retarded faggot and buy steel anyways. Gotcha.

>>32571881
Spall lining will fail in about the same time, in which case you're now being brained by shrapnel without much choice.


It's worth pointing out 3-5 SS109's in the same place will go through a level 3 plate anyways. Steel does micro fracture and degrade when hit as well, obviously just a lot less so than ceramic but the point still stands that if shots are on top of each other steel will fail at around the same time as ceramic anyways. The difference now is that steel throws things into your extremities whereas ceramic just has back face deformation.

I'm never gonna give people shit for buying steel, but if you care that there's a difference and you have the money then always ceramic.

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Haven't posted in a while

>>32571947
Oh hey, wattup senpai?

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slimmed down my AVS a lot now that I don't absolutely need medical shit on me at all times anymore. I just wear a fanny pack when I need stuff.

>>32572013
holy shit you have the same washing machine as my parents.

>>32571768
>"Interesting, but doesn't it need to be inside something/covered with something for it to be safe to wear?"
Yea. A plate carrier.
Unless you mean the rubber coating, which all steel armor comes with. At least, I've never seen steel plates without it.

>>32571891
What about buying milsurp SAPI or ESAPIs?

>>32571926
>>32572076
>>32571891
Is spall lining (same as rubber coating?) the only thing that can make steel armor safer? What about wearing it in kevlar pockets? Under soft armor?

>>32572139
You probably need to learn some of the basics before you get into Ceramic vs Steel..
I can try to help.

Spall lining is the rubber coating.
Spall is what the metal shrapnel is called.

It's the only thing that prevents bullet fragments from flying into your arms and neck when the bullet impacts the steel and explodes.

>What about wearing it in kevlar pockets?
The rubber doesn't stop the bullet, it stops bullet fragments and it needs to be right on the plate. Also soft armor pockets are usually behind the main plate pocket.

>>32572191
Thanks, but what I meant is wearing the steel plates in pockets made of kevlar, or behind sof armor instead of spall lining.

>>32572299
You might be able to use a Kevlar wrap as a spall liner, I don't know.

Never thought about it.

I managed to find this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g3kogIIGlA

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?117547-Custom-Splash-Frag-Spall-Guards-for-Steel-Rifle-Plates-Newest-Version-Added-3-13-14
https://drmorgear.wordpress.com/products/spall-guards/

Fresh bread:
>>32572432
>>32572432
>>32572432

>>32572355
My thoughts... Thanks man.