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Would the US military hierarchy obey an order from President

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Would the US military hierarchy obey an order from President Trump to carpet bomb China and DPRK with nukes, in the absence of any forewarning, build up or obvious reason for doing so?
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Not only would they most likely disobey but that could very possibly result in a military coup.
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Legally they would and should, in real life he would probably be swiftly declared incapacitated and thus unable to give orders.
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>>32554727
Depends on unit but I could see a few runs made for rice crispy
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>>32554727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States#Powers_and_duties

>While the power to declare war is constitutionally vested in Congress, the president has ultimate responsibility for direction and disposition of the military.
>While the power to declare war is constitutionally vested in Congress,
>power to declare war is constitutionally vested in Congress

Fucking learn the basics of how the system works before making moronic statements. The president is not some almighty ruler.
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>>32554668
Basically mad dog has to hit a button as well.
If the defense secretary refuses then he can be resigned but he can also petition the rest of the cabinet and vice president to relieve the president.
Which they have the power to do at basically any time under penalty of investigation by congress.

Mad dog wouldn't consent to nuking a county unless it were preemptive and to be followed by sensible operations.
After all nukes don't really do as much damage on the ground as most people think they do. If you sent enough nukes to basically have no need for an invasion, you would probably irreparably damage the atmosphere and wipe out most life on earth over the next few years.
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>implying POTUS needs a war to be declared before he is able to authorise the use of force

Pic related - its you trying to act like a know it all on the Internet and then get BTFO because you're actually talking out of your anus
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>>32554862
Tell it to obongo
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>>32554668
Nuclear attack orders must come from the President, but another member of his staff must confirm the order. Apparently there is some fuzziness as to whether they have to consent or merely concur that the order is valid.

As a practical matter, what everyone else is saying is right: There will be no confirmation of out-of-the-blue attacks, and Trump would likely be declared incapacitated by the Cabinet..

>tl;dr op is a faggot and thinks the president is the boss of America
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Sec Def does not possess authority to deny the POTUS order to launch nukes. However he dies have the right to refuse to execute that command (at which point he may be terminated and replaced)
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I imagine if he really wanted to and spent his whole presidency preparing for it he could spin a tale that would get the fire started.
It'd probably be easier for him to just hand over control to nutjobs like you in a staged takeover. Take like, a month and a half.
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>>32554978
>After all nukes don't really do as much damage on the ground as most people think they do. If you sent enough nukes to basically have no need for an invasion, you would probably irreparably damage the atmosphere and wipe out most life on earth over the next few years.
Why do people who don't know what they're talking about like to act like they do?
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>>32555032
The fallout would spread over the Pacific and South Pacific oceans. The soot and other junk from the fission fragments would blanket the West Coast of the US. Good luck trying to get clean fish from the oceans for a while.
Perspective, when Mt. St. Helens exploded with about 10MT of chemical force, the ash rained down in Red Square in Russia in 3 days.
They can track the coal plant ash landing in Alaska, Hawaii, and on the West coast as it is now.
God help us if there is a nuke ground strike on a nuclear plant. Would be a Chernobyl uber grand size of spent fuel dust. Think of this, a just a spent fuel rod hung over an freeway overpass, and cars briefly driving under it, would kill 90%-100% of those exposed.
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>>32555032

It might not destroy the atmosphere but good luck growing food you can eat when the entire west coast and half the midwest is dusted with fallout.
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>>32554862

>t. somebody too young to remember the Dubya years and Iraq 2.
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>>32555032
Because they played fallout.

The two that replied to you are extra retarded.
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>>32555288
The highly radioactive shit decays away in just a few days. The barely radioactive stuff won't matter. The middle-ground half life and high body-burden shit is where it really gets fucky.
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>>32555288
>I know nothing about radiation and say nucular instead of nuclear. The post.
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>>32554862
>Not knowing what the War Powers Act does.
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>>32555378
Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 are what you would have to worry about because cesium combines well with water and the body thinks it's potassium, and Strontium would accumulate in the bones and thyroid, plus these both have half-lives of about 30 years, making them stick around longer. Iodine-131 is only dangerous right after an event, since it's half life is about 8 days.
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>>32554687

>t. Civvie cocksucker who plays armchair general
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