The Perfect Suburban Home Defense Gun

>>32541553
Suppressed MP5/10 with a flashlight and an Aimpoint Micro

P90 with a can

>>32541603
Isn't 5N7 designed for high-velocity penetration?

>>32541685
Yee, it would zip though level 2 and 3a armor with the right load.

>>32541553
>.458 SOCOM with 500gr low-velocity bullets
will plow through a million layers of drywall like they're not even there

>frangible hollowpoints
suck donkey balls

>a shotgun using rubber slugs.
will be fired indiscriminately because it's """nonlethal""" even though it's quite capable of killing/maiming at close range, especially with face/throat shots

integrally suppressed 9.5 .300 blk

>>32541553
UMP45.

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>>32541727

>>32541553
Quartercircle10 large frame Glock mag SBR in 10 mememeter or .45, with a quality suppressor, a white light, and an RDS.

clearly it's a 10-round semi-automatic shotgun loaded with a candy cane load of 00 buck and rifled slugs.

that or something belt-fed. You know, for maximum tactical application because every home defense scenario is analogous to trained military personnel trying to take a vital strategic location

>>32541553
Shotgun with 00 buck and call it a day. Put a light on it if you want to be fancy.

>>32541553
Suppressed 9mm micro uzi

>>32541843
2-round burst and a 20-round drum full of #1 buck and you've got a deal.

>>32541553
10mm HP subgun

>>32541888
>implying #1 buck will penetrate through the sofa, my dog, two walls, and a kid on the sidewalk outside, and still have enough energy left to kill the meth head before he even considers entering my house

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RDB.

>as compact as legally possible without SBRing
>same length as a traditional carbine with a can on
>5.56 out of a 17.3" barrel is gnarly as hell and won't bork your neighbors too badly
>suppresses much better to the shooter's ear than other offerings due to the longer barrel and downward ejection
>takes any and all AR mags
>completely ambidextrous, can be used one handed with either hand easily
>lightweight vs other carbines (doubly so once the Survival comes out, ~5lbs total)
>plenty of retail space for whatever optic, light, lazorr, or tac sac you like

Find me a better HD weapon. I'll wait.

>>32541906
RDB in 300 BLK with a permanently attached suppressor to meet barrel/overall length requirements

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>>32541906

Primary - Norinco HP9 14" loaded with 00 buck
Sidearm - SAM Longslide 1911 .45 acp
Last Resort - Trained attack hamster

>>32542011
Last time I checked, home defense was illegal in Canada.

>>32541947
>permanently attached silencer
Why do idiots keep suggesting this? You have to get a stamp for the can anyway so you're not dodging NFA, just cucking yourself even further.

>>32542080
You're saving $200 and the trouble of asking the ATF for permission every time you take the gun across state lines.

AR15 in 300blk with a 8 inch barrel

>>32542059

It's more of a grey area and they judge based on the amount of force you used compared to the threat you faced.

Then again, it's more of a joke post on my part. Imagine that shotty sitting on the evidence table in front of a gun hating Liberal judge. Nevermind pulling a restricted for HD and I can't think of any circumstance where it would be justified to unleash the full fury of the hammy ham.

>>32542101
So permanently attach a shroud to the barrel, not the can itself.

>>32542152
And then screw the baffle stack into the end of the "shroud"? Intriguing.

>>32542204
No. Attach a shroud that's slightly larger in diameter than the silencer itself so that the can can fit inside of it, so that you can use a regular moderator instead of some proprietary bullshit you can only use with one gun.

>>32541553
ithaca 37 Featherlite 18.5 inch barrel

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>>32541553
Subsonic and low penetration is an awful idea.

A FiveseveN is probably the best because you can manipulate the weapon, including the light, with one hand. Moving chillins behind you is a thing for some people. Put a can on it, your goodtogo

>>32541553

I have thought this through extensively. The perfect home defense weapon is a mini-14 with a wooden stock.

Sounds pathetic but hear me out:

It has a wooden stock and looks like a hunting weapon, rather than an "assault weapon" such that offending liberal jurors is minimized.

.223 will fragment to almost nothing after passing through 2 layers of drywall. 9mm rounds and buckshot will not, thus it has a much lower chance of collateral damage.

A reasonable magazine capacity is available for faster follow-up shots, giving you higher capacity than most pistols or shotguns.

Capable of accepting modern optics with rails.

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>>32542242
wew

>>32542242
sam fisher pls go

>>32541906

hi nutn

>>32542251
Ergonomics suck though. No good way to attach a modern sling, and the safety inside the trigger guard is an accident waiting to happen.
Also rock-and-lock mags are gay but that's largely irrelevant to the HD question.

>>32542295

Never said that it was perfect. Just that it is probably your best bet.

Try explaining to a jury full of suburban soccer-moms and BLM supporters why you happen to have a suppressed short-barrel AR-15 chambered in .458 SOCOM with red-dot sight and tactical light laying around at the moment of the break-in while the Dindu's mom is weeping and showing showing baby photos of her boy to the jury stand.

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>>32542458

This would be about perfect, you could toss out the "High capacity" magazine before the cops got there and give it a small, unobtrusive red dot sight and claim it was a gift from your grandfather who was a hunter, and you always kept it around to cherish his memory.

>>32542458
Valid self defense is valid self defense regardless of what you use.
Cite one case where the tool made a difference.

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>>32541585
This Please.
>devine Love...

>>32542495

Or not be a cuck and live in a state where the jury applauds criminal deaths.

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>>32542458
Holy fuck. Now I feel like an idiot for selling away my fudd guns. They're the perfect powerlevel for dindu intruder control.

>>32542503
>Valid self defense is valid self defense regardless of what you use.

This is absolutely right on all counts and perfectly logical argument to make. A hammer is a hammer regardless of what brand. Unfortunately, being logical and right is largely worthless unless everyone ELSE is on the same page.

A dumb jury might not be. I am not going digging through trial cases to prove my point. The hardest lessen in life to learn is that it does not really matter if you are right or not. What matters is what the other person BELIEVES is right. A manager will hire/promote the candidate that LOOKS best, not the one who works the hardest or is the smartest.

>>32542503
Gary Fadden, Harold Fish

personally I have my Saiga AKM ready to go with some hollow points

i use that shit for groundhogs too

>>32542578
>Gary Fadden
Valid point, but it only really applies to bonafide machine guns.
>Harold Fish
Law has since been changed and no subsequent cases have been made.

>>32542697
>applies to bonafide machine guns
I wanna disagree. In 1984 US Made select fire guns were legal with the cuck stamp. Today suppressors and SBR's are legal with the cuck stamp.

I think in a modern Gary Fadden case, where the rifle is a .458 suppressed SBR, left wing SJW's and BLM activists would easily fall for the "Assault Weapon" thing despite it being completely legal, and side with the Dindus. Especially with it's scary picatinny rails and optics and foregrips and such.

>>32542788
The case was only made because it was full auto, there's never been anything similar for the plebe stamps.

>>32542798
Just because something similar hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. It's assumable that a noguns jury is going to look at Tyrone being killed by a scary black rifle a little different than if he was shot with a wood stock Mini 14, even though at the end of the day they are the same caliber.

>>32542876
All the jury cares about is that you're white and therefore automatically at fault.

>>32542925
Your trying too hard son, go to bed

>>32541685
>2012
>not having whipple shield in your walls
over penetration is a meme if you prepare properly.

>>32542966
I feel like that would be defeated pretty easily by relatively slow, heavy projectiles such as most firearm cartridges.

>>32542876
>if if if if
>could could could could
>assumable
Okay.

>>32541553

Serbu super short with high velocity turkey or #4 buck. Add a laser and sight and your gtg.

>>32543103
>fuckall capacity
>blind and deaf after first shot
>wrists fucked after first shot
>potency gimped by 6" barrel

All you need is a double-barrel 12ga and to stand out on your balcony and give em both barrels. I don't see why anyone would need weapons of war.

>>32543129
Same

>>32543129
Dank maymay

>>32543129
joe please

The ultimate home defence weapon IMO would be a bullpup, magazine fed, pump action, suppressed, 20 gauge shotgun. A gas sealed revolving shotgun is another promising idea there. But that would be cheap, compact, quiet, effective, and easy to use.

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>>32543129

>>32541553
458 socom meant to mimic 45-70........ I am curious what rounds would not over penetrate. Bullet type in 500 grain? If it exists I would love to load it for lever

>>32541553
if you use an offensive firearm as your defensive weapon, you will get sued. everyone saying they'd use a P90 with hi-cap mags, suppressed glocks and shotguns with drum mags are fucking idiots. you'll get sued for everything you have by someone or something after.

>>32541906
>keltec

>>32541553
Moist Nugget

>>32543399
What ammo would you use in this ideal gun?

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A Ordnance RML 9 inch 12 ton gun

>>32546986
>load with grapeshot
>aim at bedroom door
>wait for cops to show up
>if anybody tries to break in, blast them
I see nothing wrong with this home defense strategy.

>>32546986
>black powder
>doesn't even count as a firearm
Sounds good to me.

>>32541585
This desu. If you want the perfect comfy home gun that won't destroy everything in your house, look no further.

>>32542558
So you have no proof to backup your claims?

>>32542011

Fellow Canadian here
You better have that hamster ready to go when the norinco blows up in your face and the flipo 1911 jams up

>>32545029
>458 socom meant to mimic 45-70...
any reports on how it's fared in combat?

>>32547704
>.458 SOCOM
>in combat

>>32546986
>>32547034
>grapeshot
It's 2017 for crying out loud, at least get a home defense gun capable of killer junior

>>32541553
It's a handgun.

Being able to use one hand to manipulate switches, clear shit out of your way, or be on the phone with responders, all while being super easy to handle around corners, and be able to shoot tucked into your body, makes a handgun the obvious choice.

>>32542269
Not at all with the right ammo ,T6, 5.7 is very lethal

>>32547818
>It's a bullpup .308
>for all of those same reasons, plus muh terminal ballistics
ftfy

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>>32547886
such ballistics
very penetration
wow

>>32547888
>tfw no RFB

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>>32548322
Desert Tech MDR preorders start shipping later this month. For real this time.

>>32541553
Enfield MK III with bayonet

Nobody is retreating today Andrew!

>>32548403
>Desert Tech MDR preorders start shipping Q4 2016. For real this time.

Honestly I can't wait though. I'll probably buy one of the second gen versions if they stick around hat long.

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>>32548455
I'm holding out for the 19" .308 and the 10.5" 300 BLK, myself.

>>32542269
That shit me lol hard.

>>32548455
Part of why they've been on "when it's done" time for so long is because they're on generation 4-5 already.

>>32541553
has to be a shotgun so it can use birdshot tho

>>32548403
do these front eject?

>>32550602
Yes.

>>32550602
The ejection port cover catches the brass so the bolt carrier can launch it forward as it chmbers the next round.

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>>32550956

>>32550956
So simple and obvious. Why don't all bullpups do that?

>>32541603
This would be perfect.

>>32551069
>Underpowered
>Overpriced
>Over penetrating

How about no.

>>32550956
Does this mean the last round doesn't eject (assuming there's a bolt hold-open)?

>>32551126
Yea it's expensive, but over penetrating and underpowered? How can you have it both ways? Can you prove it/

>>32551163
That's a very good question.
facebook dot com slash deserttacticalarms slash videos slash 1173473089350098
Looks like it gets held in place somehow and chucked out the next time the bolt closes.

>>32551203
Yes I can prove it. Google any special forces or SWAT unit on earth, and you'll find that fucking none of them use that meme caliber. It was found to be weaker than 9mm, which was phased out in favour of 556 by many SWAT units for being underpowered, and all it has going for it is armour penetration. It is designed to poke a very small hole and penetrate as well as possible to punch through armour. This also means it punches through many other things besides.

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>>32541553
>suburban home-defense guns
gotta be prepared for a jihad truck rampage when you go to starbucks after all

>>32541685

Lord Dugan of Ashley shows it to be less dangerous than 9mm after going through walls in the p90 super special.

>>32550987
I guess nobody though of it until now, or at least nobody with manufacturing capability. There really are new things under the sun

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Implying the answer wasn't always just krinks

>>32552032
AKs are terrible suppressor hosts.

>>32542251
And all the little clicks of the bolt rotating as it slams shut is almost as pants shittingly terrifying as a shotgun racking. To a plea it would sound almost similar in the dark.

>>32552032
>Shit ballistics, especially with 545
>Over penetrates
>Expensive
>Loud
>Shit ergonomics
>More recoil than AR
>Way worse aftermarket than AR
I get that it's sexy, but no.

>>32541553
>-Suppressed

does your house have any fucking corners, or is it one wide open room, Sam Fisher?

>>32541845
This

>>32553315
excuse me for not wanting to go deaf and blind

>>32542957
He's really not. I live in la and that's how many people reason here. Its fucked

>>32553489
>he doesn't want to become the ultimate gun sensei

>>32552190
Could just as easily be a noisy doorknob, though.