WHO WOULD WIN?

>>32536026
seriously?

dont forget to report and hide

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Better question.

>>32536099
depends if the battle takes place in animu or irl.

Depleted uranium shells say Abrams

>>32536026

The upgraded Shermans don't stand a chance.

>>32536077
>>32536090
>>32536144

M1A1 is just an upgraded Sherman beneath all that sheet metal is just a Sherman hull.

The Tiger could kill 2 with 1 shot if they're lined up.

>>32536026
Abrams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOL00YjWbHI

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>>32536026
T-64BV would already #reckt any WW2 tank (battallion! ). Extrapolate your onisions on the subject mattressgirl!

you have to be literally retarded if you think a tiger could fight a Abrams in any effective capacity with its range let alone armor

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>>32536163
>>32536026

The Tiger.

It gets put in a museum and protected.

The Abrams get sent to Syria so it can get "killed" by RPGs and soviet ATGMs for russian mouth breathing vodka monkeys on /k/ to post "LOL FATNIKS BTFO!" threads even though it's just blowout panels.

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>>32536218

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>>32536194
pls respond.

>>32536287
That's a Leopard 2A4, you retard.

>>32536099
the Panzers aren't using real ammo though
it's like giving a bunch of kids airsoft guns and telling them to kill an actual trained and armed soldier

>>32536099
how many rounds does an M1A2 carry?

what would a burst of raufuss from the m2HB do to one of those older light tanks?

>>32536342
i was assuming the actual tanks with actual crews and actual rounds

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>>32536330
>retard

>>32536362
Some of those SPG's were light enough on armor to be penned by regular .50 FMJ, API would shred most of the light tanks in that pic.

>>32536384
Still not an Abrams.

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>>32536384
>posts another Leopard 2

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>>32536399
I never implied it was

>>32536362
Numbers I found with a quick Google search is: 40-42 rounds of 120mm ammo.
1,000 rounds for the commander's .50 on the turret roof
~10,000 rounds for the coax 7.62

The coax is pretty useless aside for rudimentary ranging. But the .50 with the right bullet type could probably go through tankettes or the sides of light tanks.
There's also the option of running some of the smaller enemies over. They're not going to stop or outrun the Abrams.

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Kys

>>32536411
What are you trying to prove?

>>32536411
>replies to post about abrams getting killed with a pic of a burnt out leopard
>gets called out on faggotry
>hurr durr i never implied it was an abrums hurr
Neck yourself, retard.

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>>32536452
>>32536446
nothing. just bumbing thread to get a response to >>32536194

>>32536476
lol vatnik

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>>32536510
no but carry on.

>>32536535
lol trans-formers

>>32536287
>>32536384
>>32536476
russiaboos are the worse posters on fucking /k/
you people take the trophy away from chicomshills any day of the week

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>>32536573
>russiaboos

>>32536597
ur mum

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>>32536387
not to mention we have SLAP ammo now too.

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>>32536218
He is right

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>>32536146

The only modern tank directly derived from the original M-series is the X1a3. The Abrams is more closely related to the Tiger by virtue of being a descendant of the MBT-70 which itself was descended in concept from the Leopard I, while the Patton series began life as a reverse-engineering of the Panzer III's suspension system in the Pershing. American MBTs are descended from German stock.

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>>32536026
One has an experienced crew and has probably fought other tanks before, and the other has probably just been shooting up sandnigers

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>>32536916
>the Patton series began life as a reverse-engineering of the Panzer III's suspension system

>>32536916
How exactly are the Tiger I and the Leopard I even remotely related? They were built with two opposite ideas in mind.
Tiger I: Build a tank with enough armor (For the time) that it can shrug off fire and sit at range. Made for breakthrough against enemy armor.
Leopard I: Build a tank with little armor so that it can zip around the battlefield, made for primarily defensive fighting where it would have to run from one location to another.

>>32536916
this is absolute maximum retardation

>>32536362
16 in ready rack and 16 in semi ready rack, along with a handfull in the hull.
Semi ready rack rounds must be transferred to ready rack as do hull rounds before loading unless you want to spend 15 - 20 seconds each reload.

>>32538061
Thais actually has some truth to it desu. If you look at the suspension of the M26, M48, M60 it will have many similarities to the PZIII

>>32536099
Anime?

>>32536342
>isn't using real ammo
>kv2 round fucks up an entire building
For that matter many of the shots destroy structures, pretty sure the rounds are real just modified

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>>32536099
Go urban warfare and box in the Abrams in one of miho's master plans shoots its ass with the tiger II's 88mm then prepare for hand to hand combat (pic related)

>>32536342
The ammo's real, they just have super impenetrable carbon nanotube frames inside the hull for safety, which probably gives them better armour than the abrams if they turn off the hit detection and replication stuff.

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>WW2 vs modern equipment thread
My friend was in a Bradley crew and believes that a Pak40 could have killed him. Out of boredom, how close would you have to be to penetrate a Bradley from the front with one of these motherfuckers? Assume you are using the best ammunition developed during the war and are facing it head-on. No, I don't remember how we got on that tangent originally.

>>32538748
>Not knowing girls und panzer

Get the fuck out of here newfag

>>32536099
>Preface: I'm drunk and going full retard as a former cav pl with experience in both scout and tank pure, and combined formations (ie, Hunter killer teams 2/4 slant abram/brad).
Abrams in a defensive battle position with a trained crew, and SLAP .50cal, starts engaging at 4k, in a desert could easily destroy that opfor. Enmasse arrangement (no trained commander for utilization on anime side) .

Team anime could overrun the abrams if they have an experienced commander, good coms, and utilize through light armor as scouts and envelop the abrams.

An abrams facing this formation in the offense has the benefit of a stabilized gun system. Team anime would have to get a lucky shot on optics and defend in depth, and use a qrf/reserve to get rear shots iot win.

In a movement to contact scenario the abrams would win because of the stabilized weapon system.

>>32536144
HE from an abrams would be a catastrophic kill on all those armored vehicles.

Sabot would only help with accuracy at range due to flight time if enemy was taking evasive maneuvers.

>>32538990

Your friend is likely right. On the one hand you have an aluminum box made to withstand 30mm APDS out of the BMP-2 (25mm pen at 1500m on flat plate) ....on the other you have a cannon that on a 30 degree sloped plate penetrates 77mm.

Then you account for the fact you'll probably be much closer than that because the terrain doesn't support it outside of desert shitholes aaand...

Yea, don't park a fucking APC/IFV in front of a 75mm cannon.

>>32536675
ho wow. this shit would probably still fuck up road gear, as well as optics and viewscreens on even the heavier opposition tanks.

the Maus isnt in the picture but is that included? the sheer thickness of the armor is impressive, but muh depleted uranium.
>>32539040
sweet. nice writeup.
I figured if the Abrams crew could keep scooting around, itd be tough for team animu. speed of the Abrams is pretty good off-road compared to most of those. plus the stabilized gun like you said.
any cool stories to share?

>>32536535
>tank fires
>everyone talking cover gets concussion/died of over pressure from tank firing
these aren't your grandpa's tanks shooting anymore, and the fact their doctrine doesn't reflect it is embarrassing.
In a modern abrams, we have the "telephone door" as a holdout of ww2 mentality. But, we aren't even issued the hand mike to utilize it because of the retardation of an infantry unit being that close when the main gun goes off.
Can an infantry squad, arrayed as in the picture be safe? Sure. I've been outside the hatch while the main gun goes off because #freedomboner. However, the risk of over pressure,and sabot petals killing someone is stupid high.
>>32540980
Keep in mind, while the weapon is stabilized, in close (sub 200m) passing (the target) the gunner needs to be experienced due to the turret not spinning fast enough with stab. It'll account the ballistic solution, but he can't just hold the Cadillac and stay on target at that point at 90 or 270 degrees of the hull. So he will have to "lead"a stationary target even when moving.

Chances of this happening are rare but seen from brad gunners at the battle of 73 easting.

>Tell me if you need me to describe more. I'm like black out drunk at this point.

>>32536099
Oorai wins because they have plot armor.

>>32538990
The major issue a Pak 40 has is accuracy at range vs. A moving scout vehicle with the capability of over 8k detection with FLIR, 3.8k tow missile and 3200m sub 1 moa chain gun with under .09% gun failure to fire rate.

Other than that a Pak40 cam penetrate the standard armor of a Brad.

But really, brads aren't given enough credit. Either soldiers thought they were invincible in them, and got blown up by a 200lbs ied (must case scenario) and now think brads are worthless, or they reverse since they drove into a mud hut and lowered rear ramp with a squad insertion thinking the brad is the hottest shit ever. It's actually somewhere in between. You have to use it for what it's worth.

>>32541293
wait, were you AT 73 Easting?

>>32539053
>evasive maneuvers

How evasive can a Tiger really get?

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>>32539040
It's not just the FCS, modern tanks are as fast as WW2 era light tanks. Barring plot armor the anime team would never be able to get in range.

>>32541293
any funny, cool, or scary tanker stories?

>>32536026

Short 88mm only has a chance on the hull side and rear hull/turret

>>32541526

The Abrams in forest camo is fucking GOAT.

I'm sick of desert patterns.

>>32542848

I think it looks best in that flat green color

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>>32542896

The flat green is also good.

>>32536099
>Tiger, Tiger II and one of the Panthers break down on the way to battle
>various tankettes sink while trying to ford a small stream
>Churchill and Matilda stop for tea and never make the battlefield
>Char B1 surrenders upon sighting enemy
>various jap tanks break down due to leaves falling on them
>assault guns attack at the wrong angle and while they spend ten seconds rotating to gain an angle the Abrams takes out Jagdpanther
>Stug III takes a shot, round bounces of front glacis
>gets fucked
>M3 and and the M4s defect to the M1's side, surround and take out remaining Panther with a hail of 75/76mm rounds
>now only T-34s and KV-1 left
>fuelled on vodka and rye bread alone they charge the M1
>Shermans are on the other side of the battlefield by now
>M1 faces them alone
>first T-34 falls to pieces as soviet welding breaks down
>KV-1 gets blasted
>remaining T-34s stop in the middle of the battlefield and dismount the three brigades of soviet infantry they've been carrying this whole time
>M1 overun by angry Russians
>despite best efforts they can't stop the Ruskies stripping their road wheels and selling them to scrap dealers
>Ruskies also make off with main gun and both MGs, as well as engine
>finish the job by pissing on the stripped down hull yelling 'cheeki breeki'
>M1 disabled and forced to surrender

>>32545802
Kekd

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>>32536597
This is not Object 195, and Type 95 are two Japanese tanks - light and heavy. It is Object 477. Get your fucking picture titles straight.

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>>32538136
>How exactly are the Tiger I and the Leopard I even remotely related?
Both named after cats thus related.

>>32545802
nice

>>32536163
you didn't even try

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>>32536163