UN

>>32535942
It's an external authority that we have no say in.

>>32535942
Globalist try to manipulate the soveirgnty of America and influence our politics. Which everyone but America is leftist socialist in order to control the population.

So probably a >>>/pol/ thread.

>>32535942
Those helmets look dope

>>32535951
>>32535970
/thread

I like them and they're a good organization that's helps people across the globe. Just saddens me the US has to be a cowboy and ignore all the laws other nations worked so hard on to make life safer for everyone.

>>32535986
>t. UN Secretary General

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>>32535986

>>32535986
HAHAHA. Either a truly dumb bitch, or this is how you bait kids. Take notes.

>>32535986
>Banning guns
>Making anybody safer

Lmao

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>>32535986
Nice bait

I have unironically masturbated to fantasies about slaughtering UN scum.

I am not ashamed.

>UN
>legitimate authority

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

whats the UN gonna do now that I pooped on the floor?

>>32535986
This is how you bait. Kids, take note.

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>>32535986

>>32535986
Legitimately good bait

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>>32535973
Look even better like this

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>>32535986

>>32536205
Saved hard

Because survivalist nutters want a bogey man to prepare for but don't want to be unpatriotic by talking about killing US servicemen.

Really though the UN are like the shittest bogeymen ever, they can't stop guys with machetes killing a million people, and need a call and an overseas phone call to fire back.

They're useless at anything other than very basic stuff, basically no threat whatsoever.

>>32535942
>Why do American gun owners and preppers hate the UN?
>Global Police dependent on US funds and US enforcement
>US hates globalism
Really not that hard.

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>>32536205

>>32536273
>Survivalist nutters

Brohiem do you even know what board you're on anymore

>>32535986
Very valid points, I mean why shouldn't Robert Mugabe and his type have a say in our daily lives. Let's give all dictators a vote in disarming American citizens!!!

>>32535942
Subconsciously they know they are economically oppressed, and just a few rungs from the bottom. They express their discontent by opposing imaginary foes like the the UN, regurgitate positions like opposing the EPA. Often this will be coupled with strong virtue signaling patriotism and ridiculing various social groups that have historically been beneath them.

The only world coming to an end is theirs

>>32536341
Don't cut yourself on that edge boy

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>>32535986
The secret of a good bait is that the poor fish can't tell it apart from the real deal.
Congrats anon, you succeeded.

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>>32536273
>this
the USA is not the only country that willingly ignores the UN when it's convenient

the UN is practically powerless and is mostly used to get world leaders to talk to each other

they could hardly stop African warlords, there is no chance they will invade a 1st world country to help them with their insurgency problem

>>32536334
>Nutters
>Bogeymen

not surprising he doesn't quite hit the nail on the head, if you read into it.

I would think preppers would be more concerned about FBI/CIA more than anything; basically any sort of federal agent. Anyone who does cursory research into the UN knows that they could never hope to quell any sort of conflict in the US.

>>32536341
EPA is ludicrously autonomous/powerful for what it is though

>>32536298
But that's like hating Micronesia, doesn't matter how shit it is, your still wasting energy hating something with no power or resolve to hurt you in the slightest.

If anything I pity the blue helmets, bunch of third world soldiers conned into going to shitholes with no camouflage, air support and your CO being some civilian 3000 miles away, telling you to try talking to the angry Serb/Hutu/terrorist.

>>32536066
>>32536091
>>32536123
>>32536155
>Calling this good bait when the whole thread knows it's bait
And this is why /k/ is the easiest board to troll

Because most gun owners and preppers and fucking retarded.

/k/ included.

>>32535942
Because they disarm civilian populations that are under their protection, and then fail to provide adequate security. So, they take the most vulnerable, make them MORE vulnerable, and then half ass their job. It's the perfect storm of a lazy officious government job (welfare) program with door to door gun confiscation. Nothing could trigger rednecks more.

>>32536437
hah! you just called yourself retarded, you retard

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>>32535986
>that's

>>32536372
>You(')r(e) still wasting energy hating something with no power or resolve to hurt you in the slightest.
>UN sucking funds and projecting globalism isn't hurting the sovereignty of the US people.
>Elect Donald J Trump to solve the problem
I'm not sure where you're coming from or how much you've studied this, but you might be off base a bit.

>>32535942
They want to take all the rural land and mineral/energy rights for them selves and their mega-conglomerate friends.
>Giving power to the UN an expecting them to not want more and more
It's a simple pattern bud

>>32536466
Yeah, Somalia was a text book example what happens if you don't try to disarm the population.

>>32536532
I think you confused the UN with the USA here my friend.

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>>32535986
>ban guns for citizens.
>meanwhile genocide in Africa.
This is why the US hates you.

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>>32535942
>Why do American gun owners and preppers hate the UN?

In general, because the UN is a wholly un-elected globalist organization that mostly benefits the top 1%er globalists running the show and specifically, because the UN is openly anti-self defense and anti-right to keep & bear arms and is continually pushing for global gun control via “arms proliferation” treaties (i.e. the government has guns, you do not).

The danger of the UN isn’t that they’re somehow going to invade the U.S. in a "Red Dawn" type scenario, but that they get bazillions of OUR tax dollars and then use that money to further diminish the inalienable human rights of the American people (and humans globally).

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>>32536205
Have a (You.)

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>>32536550
>Yeah, Somalia was a text book example what happens if you don't try to disarm the population.

Except the vast majority of people in Somalia _are_ disarmed and are thus completely subject to roving gangs of ARMED thugs.

If the UN were truly concerned about the average Somali people, they'd be paradropping them crates of AK-47s...

>>32536694
If they did care about the average Somali they would try to have a proper military force fight a proper war and fuck up the warlords. Like what AMISOM are doing.

>>32535942
Because without communists to fear, the militia movement freaked out about Bush's "New World Order" comment and started shitting out all kinds of conspiracy theories. Black helicopters mutilating cattle, that sort of thing. The assaults on Waco and Ruby Ridge only intensified that persecution complex.

>>32535951
>>32535970
And then these idiots don't even understand what the UN is, or how we use it to influence global affairs. They just see it as foreigners telling us what to do, ignoring the fact that we literally veto everything that could harm us and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

For what it's worth, I don't think Americans should be involved in peacekeeping though. That's a clusterfuck anyway you look at it.

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>>32536718

Except when the security forces leave, they forcibly disarm the people and leave only the government (i.e. armed thugs) with guns.

The right to self defense and thus the right to keep & bear arms, is a fundamental natural human right. Any and all weapons, short of nuclear, biological, chemical and explosive WMDs, ought to be freely and legally available

It is simply illogical to suggest that humans are somehow safer and better off, as the UN claims, if they’ve been stripped of their right to effectively defend themselves.

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>>32536761
>Because without communists to fear, the militia movement freaked out about Bush's "New World Order"

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you....

>>32536431
spend a day at /a/ and you'll know true autism

>>32536761
Except the UN has passed legislation saying civilians of countries shouldn't own firearms. The US just got grandfathered in.

In 2008 the Democrats did polls asking what people thought if the UN declared we had to give up our guns. Something like 88% said no. Even antigunners don't want the UN to have that authority over us.

They are a back up plan for attempting to disarm America.

/r/ing pics of UN mraps on an interstate

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Hey /k/, remember when America said that Saddam Hussein was producing WMDs, and the UN was all "Ok, let's send inspectors to see what those factories are really about", but after a while America went "Fuck that, it's taking too long, WAR NAOW!", and in the end there was no NRBC weapons production lines and the only result was the jump-start of ISIS?

Because that doesn't really fit with the UN as a globalist superpower or as a needlessly antagonist cockblocker narratives.

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>>32536431
Good bait simply means it's clearly BS but it's going to get a lot of replies. Which it did.

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>>32535986

LOL Fucking Australia strikes again.

>>32535942
>why do individualists hate the globalist army?
I dunno

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>A laughably inept international entity that can't accomplish even the most basic of tasks because of how bogged down it is in its own bureaucracy
It's a lot like placing a Downy in command of a platoon of guys who couldn't even qualify for infantry and telling him to keep a village in northern Africa safe from the rampaging militias.

>>32536997
>Except the UN has passed legislation saying civilians of countries shouldn't own firearms.

If you are talking about the UN Arms Trade Treaty you are talking bullshit, it does not state that civilians shouldn't own firearms.

>>32535942
Simple, it's red commie bullshit that deserves no place in the world. It's laughable and ineffectual. Go read up some history about it, what it was supposed to do, and what it turned out to be.

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>>32536694

Because niggers will think like Colonial American Revolutionaries and not just start Liberia'ing themselves to death, right?

Nice one.

>>32536202
this
>>32535973
The only thing that should be blue around here are our balls during gwg threads and our shotgats

>>32535942

Blue helmets are complete joke. Not even poorest and dumbest tribal militias take them seriously. When they are not standing idly doing nothing to keept the peacce, they are kidnapped, or intimidated or held for ransom.

Every time blue helmets were deployed in recent history, they were underequipped, weak, passive, and utterly useless. From srebrenica to darfur and uganda, there are no cases where UN forces as a whole did their job properly.

UN forces are joke. Most of them are 3rd world countries that use the fact that UN pays for peaekeeping missions and provide them with food and quipment to save money .

Literally only people in the world that fear these clowns are Americans

>Hurr hurr, evil UN stormtroopers are going to come to murrika and take our guns and our freedoms.

Yeah. The same guys who were unable to deal with machette wielding tribals and 3rd world slavs from attacking each other, will suddenly turn into Waffen SS 2.0 and will grind US patriots under their blue jakboots.

>>32537149
You realise that's the fault of the member states, not the UN, right?
If more first world nations would be willing to send capable troups and the security council would give them the necessary freedom to fulfill their mission they could do a much better job at peacekeeping.

>>32536876
> Blackwater in New Orleans
?

>>32535970
>it's a /pol/ thread to ask a legit question about why Americans are fucking retarded when it comes to the UN
I have a suspicion that you know more about /pol/ threads than anyone here.

>>32537181
It's been a decade and I still don't even pretend to know what the fuck happened after Katrina.

>>32537177
I think that's the point. Others supply more funding. So the Nation's that can't supply the one thing they can, manpower.

It also doesn't matter their shuts blue so much because they're not conventional war fighters. If UN forces show up they basically want you to know they are there.

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>>32537029
>soul purpose
>soul

I have been baited.

>>32536502
>Donald Trump
>solving the problem

>>32536466
>literally lists shit the UN has never done as a complaint against them.
>somehow finds a way to compare it to welfare, because hey he's crazy, so why not?
Ironically, if they'd allowed the force in Rwanda to seize the weapons caches that they knew of, they could have likely stopped a lot of violence.

>>32536668
>treaties combating the trafficking of arms to the world's 'hotspots' is gun control
This has, and always will be a retarded argument.

>>32537094
Nah, at least the downy might be enthusiastic and wear his brown Kirby bib, peacekeepers are commanded by suit wearing civilians who think surrendering to surrendering to jihadists is viable.

The only good they have ever done is handing out aid to quiet areas, and giving an excuse for for a real force to get involved.

They give retarded fuckheads a reason to think there's a global conspiracy to come after them and lock them up.

We should keep them because it's hilarious.

>>32537283

your globalist :^) is showing.

>>32537283
>Donald Trump
>Not solving the problem
Have you been watching the news at all, lately?
-Mexico is freaking out as their Peso gets demolished.
-More world leaders are working with Putin
-China freaking out because their 2040 military expansion plan is failing
-Japan may get nukes to combat NK having nukes
Trump is fucking kicking ass and hasn't even taken the oath of office yet.
If he stays this course, he'll be a better president than Reagan or, dare I say it, Theodore Roosevelt.

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>>32535986
XD U GO GURL XDDDD

>>32537363
The Peso being worthless is gonna make more Mexicans try to cross the border retard.

>>32537363
>Trump is fucking kicking ass and hasn't even taken the oath of office yet
Sure, sure. Continuing to apoint GOLDman Sachs people surely is an hell of a job.

>>32537283
>lolfuccdrumpf
>I <3 UN
You seem lost, friend.

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>>32536341

>>32537386
>The Peso being worthless is gonna make more Mexicans try to cross the border retard.
>Trump endorsed by boarder patrol
>Trump wants border patrol on steroids
You don't see anything different about the border patrol having support?

>>32537391
>Goldman Sachs meme
Where exactly do you want his cabinet to come from and also drain the swamp of corrupt politicians?

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>>32537122
>If you are talking about the UN Arms Trade Treaty you are talking bullshit, it does not state that civilians shouldn't own firearms.

Except that is exactly what these “non-proliferation” treaties do. I isn’t just about preventing dictators from getting tanks and fighter planes, it bans civilian weapon ownership across the board. The ONLY civilian weapons allowed are single-shot break-open shotguns for “pest control” and even those require jumping thru all kind bureaucratic hoops to get.

It’s the reason the NRA got registered as an official “non-governmental observer” or some such, so they could sit in on the UN meetings and call them out on their bullshit.

cont.

>>32536341
>all of these butthurt replies

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>>32537491

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130925/obama-administration-signs-united-nations-arms-trade-treaty
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2013

Fairfax, Va. – Today, Secretary of State John Kerry signed the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty on behalf of the Obama administration. The National Rifle Association strongly opposes this treaty, which is a clear violation of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“The Obama administration is once again demonstrating its contempt for our fundamental, individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “This treaty threatens individual firearm ownership with an invasive registration scheme. The NRA will continue working with the United States Senate to oppose ratification of the ATT.”

A bipartisan majority of the U.S. Senate is already on record in opposition to ratification of the ATT. On March 23, the Senate adopted an amendment to its FY 2014 Budget Resolution, offered by Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), that establishes a deficit-neutral fund for “the purpose of preventing the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.”

Notably, the ATT includes "small arms and light weapons" within its scope, which covers firearms owned by law-abiding citizens. Further, the treaty urges recordkeeping of end users, directing importing countries to provide information to an exporting country regarding arms transfers, including “end use or end user documentation” for a “minimum of ten years.” Each country is to “take measures, pursuant to its national laws, to regulate brokering taking place under its jurisdiction for conventional arms.” Data kept on the end users of imported firearms is a de-facto registry of law-abiding firearms owners, which is a violation of federal law. Even worse, the ATT could be construed to require such a registry to be made available to foreign governments.

>>32536997
>Except the UN has passed legislation
You mean "did nothing".

It's a forum for states to air grievances and not let shit get out of control and coordinate on aid relief, that's fucking it. Quit it with the OOGA BOOGA you monkey

>all these memes about the UN

I would be 100% against the UN like the rest of you if it was actually an impartial arbiter with fair rules, but fortunately it is not.

The UN is actually a benefit to the United States and all of the other nations with a permanent seat on the Security Council, because the UN exists to allow those nations to exert their will on everyone else without having to go to war first. This is the reason why you never see significant binding resolutions being passed against the US, UK, France, Russia, or China, only their enemies. Those five nations make the rules by which everyone else has to play, and the rules don't apply to them.

Furthermore, between those five nations on the Security Council, the United States is by far the most powerful and influential of them. We can reasonably expect the two other western members to always vote according to how the US does as long as we inform them ahead of a drastic move.

I can understand why some of you dislike the UN, but you should recognize that its failings as related to the United States stem from the people we have working for it rather than the organization itself, which, as mentioned above, only benefits us. I'm sure even the harshest critics of the UN would change their tune about it if all of the leftists/globalists in the State Department and US delegation were thrown out and replaced by nationalists whose prerogative was America first rather than one of cooperation/multilateralism.

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>>32537283
>>treaties combating the trafficking of arms to the world's 'hotspots' is gun control
>This has, and always will be a retarded argument.

See >>32537505

>>32537539
1) What's wrong with helping niggers kill niggers?
2) There could be some people there who need guns to protect themselves.

>>32537491
I really need a citation where the UN Arms Trade Treaty bans civilian ownership of weapons, especially weapons produced in your own country.

>>32537516
This.

The un stopped being relevant when it became apparent that the nato vs. Warsaw dichotomy going to dominate the rest of the century.

Let the dilettantes and dreamers have their little feel-good drum circle.

>>32537630

See: >>32537505 for a start, then you're going to have to do your own leg work.

>>32536370
>EPA is ludicrously autonomous/powerful for what it is though
Truth. Road to hell, good intentions, all that noise.

>>32535942

B/c it's incompetent. And it's incompetent body where nothing gets done b/c the five powers that have veto powers (which is the only power that counts) have vested interests of their own. The five permanent members of the so called security council are often as odds at each other; make it a point to cockblock and plot against each other; and for the most of the UN's history have used the organization as a forum of its national policy/political ideology.

The problem isn't so much hate as is contempt. And the UN does deserve much contempt and if it is part of globalist ideology it proves that ideology of bringing nations together for a common cause of mutual security and stability is fucking folly b/c such a condition runs contrary of the nature of man.

Now, if the question is- the UN going to invade the US? The answer is with what? Who is going to pay for it w/o US dollars and other countries' money (that are friendly towards the US or allied with the US). Note that other nations' military contributions to various UN peacekeeping schemes range from first world nations' forces that is hampered by the incompetence by third world generals (or their complete lack of generalship) or their own political naviete to general third world corruption which includes rape, kidnapping, human trafficking; causing outbreaks of HIV and cholera; and the usual sorts of primitive savagery displayed by the wogs.

>>32537278
I know, right? That fish isn't even a sole!

>>32537363
>Mexico's peso dropping
Solves what exactly?

>More world leaders working with Putin
So again how does that solve anything for the US?

>China freaking out
>Japan getting nukes
Two things that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump.

>>32537505
>NRA Mouthpiece
Well this will surely be an unbiased and totally accurate source for information.

>>32537689
Nowhere in the whole article is anything about a ban of civilian small arms ownership.
I've glanced over the UN document as well and haven't found anything about a ban.

I've found the same things as stated by the NRA (suggestion of recordkeeping and info about arms transfers) and I understand that this can be seen as an attempt to circumvent some rights US gun owners currently have - but that has absolutely nothing to do with a small arms ban.

>>32537879
>>Mexico's peso dropping
>Solves what exactly?
It's a symptom of a larger economic shift. US is taking US manufacturing jobs back and keeping migrants from coming into the country illegally to fulfill those jobs.
>>More world leaders working with Putin
>So again how does that solve anything for the US?
NATO cost a billions for the US. If Russia and the US are working together and European countries are working with Russia, Military stability will cost much less for the US and for the Western World as a whole.
>>China freaking out
>>Japan getting nukes
>Two things that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump.
Two things that were directly attributed to Trump. China's military expansion into the Pacific was going to jeopardize our allies security, especially South Korea.
Trump is the guy who came up with the idea for Japan to possibly have it's own nuclear capability.
China and NK would have to scale their military aggression by magnitudes.
You can't really be this ignorant.

>>32537391
Leftypol go home

>>32535942
Tax money goes to it which can be used for bullets and beans.

>>32535942
They keep on trying to rope us into these smallarms control treaties. We don't want any.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/boom-record-27-million-guns-bought-in-2016/article/2610848

>>32538002
There is nothing wrong with South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan getting nuclear weapons to achieve parity with with China. China gave an ultimatum for Taiwan to merge by 2045 and seeing how Hong Kong is how a dump in Chinese control they have a right to ensure their sovereignty.

>>32538076
That'd be my point.

>>32535951
This answers it same reason europeans are getting fed up with EU

>>32535942
Globalism

>>32535986

Excellent bait

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>>32537055

I thought it was because the UN would send in its little inspectors and when Saddam basically said "Lol you can't come in, no WMD's here!" the UN basically rolled with it when we knew for a fact that they had WMD's.

No one respects the UN because when they decide they do something, they do it half-heartily and when it comes time to get into some real shit they basically toss whoever they sent there (whom are usually underpaid and under-supplied) to the wolves and wash their hands of the situation while patting themselves on the back and say shit like "Well, at-least we tried!"

And the US in particular doesn't like them because they are an un-elected body that attempts to actively influence governments, using the very money they pay them with, in such a way that takes people's rights away.

>>32535986
>(You)

>>32538002
>You can't really be this ignorant.
No but apparently you are. You seriously think that Trump alone is the reason that Japan is seriously considering nukes? And that's going to somehow put China's military expansion "in shambles".

As for spending less money on NATO because we're friends with Russia. Russia's goals directly conflict with those of many NATO members, so no matter how friendly we get with them it's not really going to change anything.

>Mexico
The US isn't taking shit back. Trump stopped one company from moving 800 jobs away for the price of 7 million over 10 years. That is a HORRIBLE deal and is the kind of retarded behavior that just encourages companies to pretend to be moving out of the US, just to reap some tax breaks.

Also...
>implying an economic collapse in Mexico would be a good thing
If you think you have problems with illegals now,

>>32538252
Well you thought wrong.

>>32538291
I'm waiting for the big surge from Venezuela...

>>32535951
Except the US can veto anything in the Security Council. It literally helps the US influence other countries, not the way around.

>>32535942
Maybe it's because I grew up playing the original 'Mercenaries' that I find the blue accents of the UN uniforms highly aesthetic. Or maybe I'm just a faggot.

>>32538304
Phil, I'm not sure if you're good at geography, but there's a significant amount of shit in between us and Venezuela.

>>32538304
I doubt Venezuelan refugees are gonna head here, of all places.
But then again we are the most powerful nation this side of the hemisphere, so maybe. But I highly doubt it.

>>32536997
>>>32536761
>Except the UN has passed legislation saying civilians of countries shouldn't own firearms. The US just got grandfathered in.
>In 2008 the Democrats did polls asking what people thought if the UN declared we had to give up our guns. Something like 88% said no. Even antigunners don't want the UN to have that authority over us.
>They are a back up plan for attempting to disarm America.


You do realize that the UN is built on a principle known as "selective ratification" meaning that no country is obligated to obey any legislation that it's own government doesn't ratify. That's literally one of the founding mechanics the UN's buerocracy.

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>>32535986

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The further removed from a constituency the less an organization will care about said consistutency's interest. So for our president I have to compete with Californian or New Yorker or Kansas interests but with the UN I have to compete with the rest of the fucking world's interests whose are not going to be the same as mine.

>>32538333
>there's a significant amount of shit in between us and Venezuela.

Don't forget the Australians getting refugees from Africa and Afghanistan.

>>32538515

Also this pic is inaccurate with regards to Ukraine and Turkey but you still get the idea.

>>32538544
I think everything west of Kiev is safe as only the Western half of Ukraine says "No War"

>>32537149
>Waffen SS 2.0
>blue jack boots
My sides

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>>32537879
>>32537898
>
> give me a doctoral thesis
> on a Chinese finger painting board

Because surely we can trust the 1%er globalists not to ban guns….

>>32538515
Any sort of Venezuelan refugees would have to deal with immigration and border patrols eight times without the freedom of movement ability granted by the EU to aid them. They'd also have to pass through several areas of political instability and have to deal with cartels in Mexico. Plus the trip from Panama to Texas alone is longer than the trip from Aleppo to Munich.

>>32538515
>muh UN consitutency
That's more a reason to ignore them completely, since the body is effectively powerless, rather than have a raging hate-boner born of pure retardation.

>also implying that refugees can only go to countries close to their point of origin
I know subtlety and nuance isn't big among folks like you, but the the people leaving aren't picking the countries that take them in, it's the countries choosing to open their doors to people being threatened by ISIS.

I want one of those blue helmets though

>>32538151
>Globalism

This whole against globalism by americans is actually kinda fucking hilarious. They happily voted for globalism with Clinton and Reagan.

When Americans talk about ending globalism, chances are they don't want to end it at all, they just want to win at globalism again.

>>32539617
You realize there were anti-globalist sentiments back then, right?

>>32539646

Not from the Reagan-loving Americans that just elected trump.

globalism is inevitable

>>32539617
Exactly. What they really mean when they talk about Globalism, is making sure it only ever works for them.

Not like the US already pays less for just about everything in the world than any other Western nation that exists (and that's AFTER exchange rates are factored in). I liked how people were talking in another thread about how if Russia acts up they can just get Saudi Arabia to crash its economy with the price of oil again. Cause that worked out so well for the rest of the world too, huh? Really highlights the way Americans think about shit on the international stage, "fuck ya'll, I gots mine, nigga!"

>>32535942
It has more to do with the fear of the pan-western agenda. The idea for a pan-european system originated in the 20s and eventually succeeded in turning the most powerful part of the world into progressive, socialist shitholes. The same people who push that agenda in Europe are trying to do the same to us, and most conservative minded Americans want nothing to do with it.

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Reminder that the private sector solves problems quicker than the UN at 5% of the cost.

https://youtu.be/PYE1s7lDBYc

>17,000 United Nations blue berets were incapable of stopping what barely 100[Executive Outcomes mercenaries] did in Sierra Leone.

>>32535986
>truly good organization that helps people across the globe
>puts Saudi Arabia in charge of human rights

Either b8 or autism, I can't tell

>>32535942
Because the federal government of the united states could ignore the will of the states and people and use the UN as an outside military force against us.

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>>32535986
>they're a good organization that's helps people across the globe

Hold me /k/, it's getting dark...

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GLOBALISTS GET OUT! DONT TREAD ON MEEEE REEEEEEEEE

>>32539969
and how likely do you think that is to happen?
What's it like living in a sci fi straight to TV movie?

>>32535942
Tin foils think that UN storm troopers are going to take their guns, so it's not so much gun owners as it is uneducated bubbas who have no idea how ineffectual the UN really is.

Not because of some tinfoil bullshit, but because the UN is a useless bullshit organization that everybody should hate

>>32540109
See the thing is, it's useless and broken partly because all of the major powers of the world want it that way.

It'd be nice if the UN was actually able to stop some of the bullshit going on, like the genocides that happened in Rwanda. But if it could actually stop those, then it would theoretically be able to interfere with the plans of said major powers. And about the only thing they can agree on is that they don't like the idea of anyone being able to stop them when they misbehave. Whether it's Russia and Afghanistan, or the US and Iraq.

Shit, the whole 2 times we've seen the UN moving with actual authority toward a situation, it's been a huge success. Namely in Korea and with the Suez Crisis.

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>>32535986
>I like them and they're a good organization that's helps people across the globe

>>32535986
Get ya fresh bait here! Free-ash baaait!

>>32535942
because reasons. any org that puts terrorists in charge of human rights and persecutes free peoples is bad. and you should feel bad for speaking up for them.....shame on you

>>32536205
Fukkin saved!

>>32535986
>I have become Bait, Destroyer of Threads

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>>32535986

>>32538252
Seconding this as eurofag

>>32537177
>If more first world nations would be willing to send capable troups and the security council would give them the necessary freedom to fulfill their mission

Canada and European countries sent lots of troops in the 90's, but it was the UN's insane ROE's that prevented them from accomplishing their missions. It's more of a bureaucrat problem, the UN just needs to grow some fucking balls and let troops shoot at bad guys instead of standing around jerking off.

>>32541165
So the US is bad and remains bad?

I do find it funny how the UN is so shit it can't do anything, even with the US being majority, yet somehow can also take over the US.
So which is it, is it shit or is the US worse?

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>>32535942

>>32536045
He could be my battle buddy any day.

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waste of ammo

>>32537082
>I don't like post
>POSTER IS AUSTRALIAN
ohboy.jpg

America is world police
Don't need 2 world police

>>32538291
> You seriously think that Trump alone is the reason that Japan is seriously considering nukes?
Trump would be the only reason they're allowed to have them, dumbass.
>what is the "Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan"
And yes. Nuclear Capability next to their coastline from an ally next to their shoreline is a strong deterrent to their military expansion, especially since they're having constant land disputes with Japan. You're a moron.

>The US isn't taking shit back.
Ford just canceled their 1+billion dollar plant in Mexico and is moving it to Michigan. Are you fucking retarded? He's also targeted GM for making the Cruz in Mexico.
>That is a HORRIBLE deal
>What is labor and how is wealth generated from it

>If you think you have problems with illegals now
There's also this who massive expansion of the Border Patrol. The whole, if you enter the US illegally, you get thrown in jail for a few years and are sent back. If you do it again, you go in for twice as long and then are sent back.
I'm going to also guess that illegal immigration won't be considered a white collar crime.

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>>32539617
No we just want to own the World. And tax you without representation. Global presence, but you're all just our colonies.

Sound familiar?

>>32545147
>That's a horrible deal
Typical fucking conservative 'debate' tactics. Take someone's quote and attribute it to a completely different situation while pretending you're not. I was talking about the Carrier deal being a horrible one.

Now let's see some details about the situation that Trump is being hailed as the hero of now, with Ford... Trump threatens to impose tariffs on General Motors if they move, so they decide not to. Yeah, nothing Socialist about that sort of interference with business or anything.

>we'll build a wall, that will stop the illegals!
You're an idiot, he's already downgraded the wall to a fucking fence.

>Trump is the only reason Japan is getting nukes
They could build nukes for decades, they chose not to. Trump giving them 'permission' doesn't change shit, because they were probably going to do it anyway.

Trump supporters are literally the most retarded people on the planet.

>>32535951
>>32535970
>USA is literally one of the founding nations in the UN
>commands huge influence from permanent seat in security council alone
>probably capable of pulling strings from behind the scenes too

>muh new wurrld order shadow gubmint NWO illlerminatro (((((glohbalists))))) wnat to take mer jerbs

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>>32545614
Newfags are the worst.

>>32537196
what does it have to do with weapons?

>>32545582
>Typical fucking conservative 'debate' tactics.
I'm not a conservative but we can get this ball rolling since your triggered like a little bitch.
>Take someone's quote and attribute it to a completely different situation while pretending you're not. I was talking about the Carrier deal being a horrible one.
Carrier was a horrible deal? People being able to keep their jobs and keep wealth being generated in the US is a bad deal?
Please tell me more about your insight into Economics. Everyone knows how well Liberals understand economics.

>we'll build a wall, that will stop the illegals!
What I actually said
>There's also this who massive expansion of the Border Patrol. The whole, if you enter the US illegally, you get thrown in jail for a few years and are sent back. If you do it again, you go in for twice as long and then are sent back.
That would by a typical Liberal Strawman Fallacy you just committed. Not even surprised.

>They could build nukes for decades, they chose not to.
>What is the "Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty"
>Trump giving them 'permission' doesn't change shit, because they were probably going to do it anyway.
>Japan's multiple international treaties with the US mean nothing lul they can do whatever they want :^)

You're a fucking idiot.

>>32536876
>....

why is it all of a sudden ok to use ellipsis on 4chan?

>>32539756
>a bloo bloo bloo my nation only acts in an altruistic manner

Fuck off with this shit, typical arrogant foreigner thumbing their nose at anything America does because their govt. sucks at it so they can pretend it doesn't happen.

>>32545851
You fucked him right in the ass

>>32545147
>Ford just canceled their 1+billion dollar plant in Mexico and is moving it to Michigan

They are retooling a plant in Michigan, they aren't building a new facility, there is a massive difference between the two. If you actually looked into into it the reasons for moving the plant back were more economic than political. Also auto manufacturing is one of the most automated industries in the US that will only get more efficient, manufacturing WILL come back in the near future but without the jobs.

>>32546308
The Economics of the situation are heavily dependent on the political ones.
Literally the day after Trump tweeted them about a massive tariff, they move the plant.
>Also auto manufacturing is one of the most automated industries in the US that will only get more efficient, manufacturing WILL come back in the near future but without the jobs.
All jobs are getting more efficient. Most of the industrial market is adding robotics.
There will also be a increase demand for more Artisan products, too.
Anyone can buy a hi point, most people want something better.
The cycle continues.

>>32545851
>Carrier was a horrible deal? People being able to keep their jobs and keep wealth being generated in the US is a bad deal?
>People being able to keep their jobs
Yes yes, appeal to emotion, that's so logical isn't it?

And YES, it is a shit deal. In exchange for saving 800 jobs we're giving them a tax break of 7 million dollars over 10 years.

It doesn't take a math wizard to realize that is not a sustainable strategy.


As for the rest, you're still a fucking idiot. Trump's twitter-transmitted permission means fuck all on the diplomatic stage. And it really does show how fucking simple you people are to think it is the opposite.

>>32546556
I can swear I've seen this exact post before.... Fuck off shill

>>32546556
>keeping creation of wealth in US
>appeal to emotion

The fucking shills are here. God Dammit.
Not even /k/ is safe

>>32546556
>700k a year for 800 jobs
>Doesn't understand payroll taxes
Wow. You're really crunching the math, aren't you.
That's not enough tax breaks to even come even on how much they're going to invest in those jobs.
>As for the rest, you're still a fucking idiot.
Ad Hominem. Trump's twitter has more influence than the current fucking president.
You have to be getting paid to be this fucking stupid. Do the world a favor and pick up a book.

Not him, but the carrier deal was a bad deal.

In effect, it was paying a company to hire Americans, using massive tax cuts. This pay comes from either higher taxes or borrowing more. This is an increase in government size no matter how you look at it.

Its a bad fucking precedent making corporate interests the states interest, because now other businesses will want this special treatment and the government would either limit free trade by favoring Carrier over its rivals, or give massive tax cuts to all businesses that threaten to leave.

In the end you end up with some sort of guild system in a way. Where as all us peasants not fortunate enough to be in a guild has to pay higher taxes so that the guilds stay operating.

>>32546690
>creation of wealth
It's all a magic trick you idiot.

>>32546799
see
>>32546708

It also kind of seems like your him.

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>>32546816
>Creation of Wealth
>A Magic Trick

Welp. You lost pretty convincingly.

Factory 'A' assembles a thing made from parts produced by Factory 'B'.
Factory 'B' creates parts by taking apart the product of factory 'A'.

If both these factories stay a float by government money, and they employ 5,000 people each, that's 10,000 jobs created!

That's how wealth is generated.

>>32546830
protectionist retard

>>32546877
>>32546863
You lost. Get over it. Let the thread die.

>peacekeeping done wrong
Blue Helmets
>peacekeeping done right
Every French intervention operation in Sub-Saharan Africa since 2000.

Take note, Americans.

>>32546903
>all anons are the same person
lurk more

>>32546939
Screencap it

>>32546939
>>32546968

How do I know you two aren't the same person arguing with himself in order to bump the thread, OP?

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>>32546978

>>32537216
Mass governmental incompetence chain-reacting with other governmental incompetence, with a need to not appear incompetent to the general public thrown on as fuel.

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>>32546968

>>32547030
>that file name
>that photoshop scheme
k. led the thread die.

>>32547039
>photoshop scheme
holy newfag, lurk more kid seriously

Put bluntly, the vast majority of the time that the UN attempts to intervene in a situation it either ends up not helping, making the situation worse, or making the situation marginally better. Granted the few times the UN has been allowed to roll out the guns it has gotten some shit done (SA peacekeepers btfo'ing rebels in the Congo for example), but that rarely happens. More often than not a UN mission is an extremely convoluted bureaucratic mess that either perpetuates the existing problem or makes it worse. Take for example the UN mission in Sierra Leone. These were the guys who were sent in because everyone got all butthurt about Executive Outcomes being successful. The UN mission rarely if ever probed into rebel held territory and patrols were regularly accosted and equipment and soldiers were routinely captured. And yet the UN said everything was going swimmingly. The only ones who ever did anything to combat the murderous RUF were the Brits and Neal Ellis and his crew in their Hind. And they got shit on in the press for it because the Peacekeepers bitched them out. In the end after years of Nigerian/Indian peacekeepers fucking around in Sierra Leone, the British finally went in and fucked the RUF, but in those years thousands of people in that country were murdered/raped/maimed. Because the UN didn't really give a fuck about the situation. This is just one mission, I'm not going to even start on the shitfests in
>Rwanda
>The Balkans (watch No Man's Land for a better understanding)
>The Congo (all of the missions)
>Current mission to Lebanon/Golan Heights
>KFOR
>Somalia
Etc.

I understand why the UN was created and honestly would be a bit more supportive of the organization, if it wasn't astoundingly incompetent/co-opted for the interests of nations trying to fuck over other nations. The UN honestly needs a fuckload of reform, or it needs to fuck off.

>>32546602
>>32546690
>Anyone who disagrees with me is a shill!
Just going to bang that drum to death, are we?

Also...
>>32546690
>pretending to care about the jobs of those poor people isn't an appeal to emotion
You're practically screaming, "won't someone think about the children!" as a reason why the deal was a good one.

>>32547049
>still commenting
>this much of a faggot
k

>>32535951
Are you fucking retarded

>>32547149
>You're not making sense
>Uses 2 Strawman in the same post
wew

>>32542002
this
How can they expect people to be indimated or assured by the peacekeepers presence if the peacekeeps can do anything at all?

>>32535942
im gonna enlist and join UN soon