Star Trek

>>32534068
Kirks the one if you wanted to "be him". Picard's the guy youd want as your CO.

>>32534068
Our Captain was like Kirk.

He fucked everyone who had leave by cancelling it and making them stay on board and do fire drills just so he could brown nose his superiors for that promotion he'd never get.

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Captain Jellico

You know it's true

>>32534099
That would of been my BN CO. Company CO was straight up Riker.

>>32534068
Picard easily, all the others are gimmicky "characters". Picard carried himself and preached Starfleet doctrine like the naval doctrine of today

>>32534099
jellico did nothing wrong

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>>32534068
Bn CO on my second tour was Sisko, talked low and smooth and always carried himself like a bad ass. Guess it worked, last I heard he was a Gen now. 2/2 Ramrods, OIF II/OP Phantom Fury

>>32534068
Later season Sisko where he delegated shit and spent all his time talking to brass.

>>32534068
My first ships captain was Pickard, older not too uptight and cared about his people. Second ship captain was forgettable like the female, whatever her name was.

>>32534068
Was in US Army, so doesn't fit perfectly, but:

>Kirk: Standard asshole officer, getting promoted fast was his first priority, didn't give a fuck about anyone besides his staff officers and immediate close by enlisted
>Picard: That officer that just went with the military scholarship to get through school, decided the military was a decent fit. Projected calm, the guy you really wanted to be in charge of you, but maybe not the best pick for WW3.
>Sisko: Old, nearly retired high-level NCO, like a CSM (look it up) that got shuffled to a backwater assignment. Just wants to live his life, has a kid with no mom around.
>Janeway: Prototypical female ,military academy grad. Doesn't really understand leadership doesn't mean embarrassing your subordinates to make yourself seem better/in charge, but is competent and smart.
>Archer: The Captain (Army, so 0-3) who has been in too long at the position. A little unsure of himself still, leans on subordinates. Quick to react to change, slow to be proactive to it.

Bonus round-
>Jellico: The officer that shits all over the command staff and you love it. He's got the unit running flawlessly, and is enforcing a top-down discipline method that keeps higher-ups from getting away with skirting the rules and fucking off when everyone else is working.


XO (Executive Officer) Edition:
>Riker: Traditional gigantic cunt XO. Brownoses in front of commander, has him convinced everything is great. Gigantic stickler for regulation besides staying within height and weight regulations and not hitting on all the lower enlisted. Bullies younger members of unit into getting his way, especially lower officers. Only really told to fuck off politely by higher enlisted.
>Spock: A bit weird, never seen one like him. Seemed like he would be decent, but as science officer he rarely seems to see the crew.

I had a female company commander like Janeway.

No clue what she was doing. Insisted in doing things her way, anyways. Keeps getting her subordinates nearly killed for dumb shit. Should have been tossed out the airlock first opportunity.

I had many Picard typeople male commanders. The best time I ever had in the army. Even when some of those times involved being shot at or working night shift alone for years

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There's literally a Captain James Kirk commanding the USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000) right now.

>>32534087
I tend to agree 100%.

>>32535020
I had a Spock XO, he was a nuke officer.

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>>32534919
IT'S JANEWAY AND SHE'S THE BEST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32535020
Agree with everything except the Jellico bonus round. Maybe I need to go back and watch those episodes.

Picard always seemed to me like he would make a great BN/BDE S3, or G level staff. Seems like the kind of guy who would love to sit and pour over spreadsheets and data and plan out major events just for the complexity of it.

Kirk would never have been able to do command in the real world just for the monotony of simple regulation and standardized practices. It would have driven him mad.

>>32535111
but both of them are useless.

>>32535708

Janeway was shit.

>>32535111

He got relieved because of some engineering fuckup, last I heard.

>>32534089

Interestingly enough, by the late TOS/TAS/movie era Kirk didn't want promotions, he just wanted to keep sailing his ship. He didn't give a fuck about the chain of command or anything like that, he just wanted to keep being captain of the starship.

>>32535873
your opinions are shit
you are shit

>>32535747
>Kirk would never have been able to do command in the real world just for the monotony of simple regulation and standardized practices. It would have driven him mad.
So much this. Kirk was a combat commander first and foremost. He was more like a senior NCO or WO in a lot of ways. Just let him do his job and stop breathing down his fucking neck.

>>32536170
Janeway was a moron.
"We're 10 gorillion years from home on suicide watch, in constant hostile territory"
"Lets throw away every single opportunity to get home in favour of a fanatical devotion to my personal interpretation of the Prime directive."
"But lets interfere JUST ENOUGH to make a few brand new enemies for humanity."

Janeway should have just engaged the self-destruct when she got jerked across space. It would have been better for humanity.

Bonus round: enemy #1 for the Temporal cops. Bitch fucks time up more than anyone else in fiction.

Useless Captain. Picard is best Captain. Followed by Riker. Followed by Data. TNG has almost all the best characters.

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>>32536297
Oh snap! Speaking of suicide watch, Janeway fags are on it rn

fuckin well said friendo

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Not even talk about a rebel caption.

>>32536297
Its been a while but Archer fucked a lot with the time line. All though he was being directed to do it.

I forget what Janeway did to timeline. I agree tho, she's a shit.

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Smells musty in here, like a bureaucrat's thread.

>>32536335
Yup.
If Picard had got kicked through space, they'd be back the same episode...
OH WAIT. HE DID.
>TWICE

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Where_No_One_Has_Gone_Before_(episode)

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Q_Who_(episode)

>>32536432
That's because TNG just wanted to do some interesting stand alone episodes.

The entire premise of Voyager is they are stranded in the wrong sector of space. Maybe if Janeway wasn't a dog Q might paid attention to her and snapped her back home also.

>>32536114
Did he try to make the Engineer cut his schedules in half?

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Honestly it's sometimes refreshing that Janeway is so shit. Kirk is The Guy, Picard is the captain of the most advanced ship in Star Fleet, Sisko is the CO of a station in the most contested zone in the Alpha Quadrant - and Janeway is just some schmuk they've got running some dinky little science vessel. She's a bargain-bin Star Fleet officer thrown into the kind of story that would be a standalone episode for another captain.

She makes basic mistakes and manages to get the entire Delta Quadrant to hate her, totally forgets about the Prime Directive half of the time and conveniently remembers it again when faced with a situation that could bring her home. There's a LOT of episode that are literally just her being stubborn about some plan that Chakotay tells her is stupid in the first minute and the whole rest of the episode is spent trying to convince her that Voyager blowing up all the time is a bad thing.

She keeps facing basic moral and philosophical quandaries that the rest of her crew (and most of Star Trek) has already solved. I'm in the middle of season 5 and just watched an episode where the Doctor had to choose which patient to save and chooses Tom over a random redshirt. The redshirt dies and the Doc goes insane with guilt. Janeway is just going to delete him and make a new EMH, and the whole episode is spent trying to convince her that Doc is a person and not just a computer program - a question which literally nobody has been asking since partway through season 1. Like seriously, we had a decade of TNG and Data, nobody is asking if the Doctor is a person but you, Janeway.

She's kind of like the captain in pic related. She sucks, but also thank god she sucks because it's fun to laugh at her.

>>32536402
Maxwell was right

>>32536614
Agree, but because writers never acknowledge that is't accidental.

>>32536477
>Maybe if Janeway wasn't a dog Q might paid attention to her and snapped her back home also.
He offered to if she handed another Q over to him, she refused. I think she got the same offer if she slept with him, again she said no.

>>32537063
Star Trek as a whole has a lot of bad writing that never gets acknowledged, by the writers themselves or by the fans. Voyager seems to bring out the worst of it. Some of it's just individual stories, but a lot of it is trends that have been present since TOS.

Case in point, it seems to me that a lot of people think Star Trek is always really progressive, but Voyager has about one of the most hilariously offensive modern examples of the Pan-Indian in Chakotay - a person of supposedly Mayan heritage from the southeast USA whose entire tribe seems to be a hackneyed pastiche of Plains Indians stereotypes (and some shit that was just completely made up).

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>>32537182
>Implying Q wouldn't of raw dogged it and stiffed her over

>>32537285
>whose entire tribe seems to be a hackneyed pastiche of Plains Indians stereotypes (and some shit that was just completely made up).

Because their advisor was a fraud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater

>>32536170

I know I'm shit. I tell myself that every time I see myself in the mirror.

Janeway is still the worst captain.

>>32536129
He got to Picard too. That's the only reason Picard wasn't an admiral before Janeway.

>>32534068
Kirk. If you could get on his good side, you were golden.

Janeway for the lizard sex.

(It's not goddamn furry if you don't have fur. It's in the name.)

>>32537285
>lot of bad writing that never gets acknowledged
>Voyager seems to bring out the worst of it
idk what you're talking about. almost everybody shits on Voyager, and a fav pastime of most fans is arguing worst episodes. idk very many that give two shits about the first couple seasons of TNG. the consensus seems to be that it got better as it progressed but still had plenty of flaws. lots of fans like Enterprise, except for any episode involving time travel or the Suliban.

>>32539688
Shitting on Voyager and talking about franchise-wide problems aren't the same thing.

>>32536297
>few

She enraged half the universe.

>that one time she tipped off the Borg about a species that was trying to hide from them and the Borg preceeded to btfo

Rudolph Ransom, commander of the Equinox, did literally nothing wrong.

Fuck Janeway. Sanctimonious cunt

>>32535111
Thinking about kirk as a co is terrible he would probably trear female members better just to fuck them and treat male enlistee like shit

Would probably cause a lot of tension and low moral

>>32539827
>literally nothing wrong

He was harvesting sentient beings to power his ships core.

That's not right.

>>32536614
Yup. Picard was commanding literally the pride and joy of Starfleet, she was a diversity hire.

>>32539951

He did what he had to do in order to ensure his ship's survival. Every man and woman under his command is his responsibility when it comes to returning them home safely and if they have to do underhanded to do so, then do it.

Remember, Archer came across a manned cargo vessel that he promptly boarded and stripped for parts in order to continue his mission in the Expanse, leaving the people adrift and probably died.

>>32539841
Spock though, he'd be alright. I can see why he ended up as a Captain whilst Kirk was off being an Admiral. Every time he ends up in command in the original series he makes rational decisions and takes advice from his specialists and senior staff.

And of course he doesn't go off at people due to having a bad day. Whilst we don't really see it due to the series focus I bet he keeps shit pretty tight and under control letting the department heads do their thing as needed and is probably why the Enterprise actually works; Spock's steady hand is mitigating Kirk's bullshit.

>>32540052
>Archer came across a manned cargo vessel that he promptly boarded and stripped for parts in order to continue his mission in the Expanse

It was an exploration ship from a species that had just obtained warp capability and was their only warp capable vessel.

>>32536614
i actually have it playing in the back ground. heres another tiny example

Doctor hologram AI calls janeway to complain (again) that he's being excluded from staff briefs. He's the fucking chief medical officer and janeway isn't including him in senior, command or general staff briefs. He's been relied upon multiple times to assist the crew with extremely limited information. at the end of the conversation she just cuts him off and tells him the XO will yell at him later for daring to question her authority.

been in the military for 14 years and i can honestly attest that this is fucking exactly what happens when senior female officers simply don't like someone

>>32536614
>Sisko is the CO of a station in the most contested zone in the Alpha Quadrant
Sisko also got told to shape up or get the fuck out a few times by both Starfleet (in his role as CO) and the Bajorans (in his role as Emissary), so it's not like he's some Mary Sue skipping along from one triumph to the next, and his actions had consequences. Janeway was just RESET BUTTON LOL every time she fucked up.

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So who was most similar to a real life XO?

>>32540234
he needed their warp shit to make it back to earth in enough time to stop the super weapon. its supposed to be a moral quandary where the bad decision leads to diplomatic failure with a new friendly species and the worst decision leads to the destruction of earth.

though after the klingon run-in and first super weapon strike you'd fucking think the vulcan would have at the very least left a ship or two to protect their embassy on erf

>>32540234
Let's look at the alternatives. One warp ship gets robbed and stuck in space for a few years, or the Xindi complete their totally-not-a-Death-Star, Earth gets blown up, humanity goes extinct, and then the rest of the Alpha and Beta quadrants are just shit out of luck when the Dubstep Space Whales, the Borg, the Dominion, or any number of terrifying TOS baddies show up. Hosing one crew saved the galaxy.

>>32540307
riker by far from my opinion and experience. spock and t'pol were too willing to boot lick and kira was just xo in name only. chakotay might as well have been just some guy

>>32540307

I want to fuck 3 three of these people, can you guess who? /tg/ rules are in effect.

>>32540401
>Kira
>T'Pol
>Riker's beard

>>32540307
I was Infantry and couldn't serve with females.

But can I have T'Pol anyway plox.

>>32540314
>>32540332
I wasn't saying Archer did the wrong thing, just correcting the anon's post.

>>32540418

2 out of 3

>>32540546
Doesn't like Kira huh?

>>32536614
Except Janeway trying to erase the Doctor's memory was the correct call to make as they had no other doctor and the next best thing was a guy with a little nursing training, who was also their pilot. Separating Tuvix was also the correct call.

>>32540267
Which season? The Doctor couldn't actually leave sickbay until after the Future's End two-parter.

>>32534068
NEEEEEEERD

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>>32534068

Somebody do this bunch.

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>>32541596

>>32541631

Don't be mad that BSG is a superior show.

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>>32541756
Show went to shit midway through season 3, but it gave us some great battles.

>>32536402
The Dominion war would never have been close if we listened to Maxwell.

>>32536297
>"But lets interfere JUST ENOUGH to make a few brand new enemies for humanity."

Fucking this, it drove me nuts every time it happened. And just remember it wasn't just enemies for humanity, it was enemies for everyone in the federation, most of the alpha quadrant.

That said the character was played well considering the writing the actress had to work with, which was totally inconsistent.

>>32540832
Except for the part where they were able to easily mend him and didn't have to callously kill a sapient being for their own benefit. The entire conflict came from Janeway simply being unwilling to apply any effort for the Doctor's sake because she - and she alone - considered him equipment and not a person.

Separating Tuvix is not comparable to killing the Doctor. Nobody's life immediately depended on killing the Doc. That episode did a pretty good job of covering all its philosophical bases. They showed how complicated the situation was and made a good case for both sides. Either option could have played out, whereas with the Doctor one option was obviously wrong.

>>32542250

Helena Cain was the best captain.

>>32534068
Picard. Definitely Picard

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>tfw no Adama

>>32542303

Yeah seriously fuck Janeway. All of Voyager was some SJW circlejerk. That show is far and away the worst ST, and that's saying a lot because Enterprise exists.

>>32542751
>SJW circlejerk

They tried to be progressive but ended up implying Native Americans don't control their own destinies and the Native expert they hired was a fraud.

The EMH really stole the show though, and honestly had this been done better would have been great. But a few diamonds in the rough really can't save it.

>>32542751
>>32542784
One word to sum up why voyager should take its place alongside some of the worst atrocities to ever be commited by man: Neelix

>>32536210
Kirk would have had a god damn field day during a Surge or invasion equivelant.

>galactic news network now reporting that Planet Iraq is refusing to have WMD inspectors, and the Federation is amassing warships at the moon of Kuwait...

"WARP. NOW. FASTER. ALL POWER TO WEAPONS AS SOON AS WE ALIVE."

>>32542865
Had I not the ability to block out grating characters I don't think I could've actually completed the series. What were they thinking?

>>32542887
*ARRIVE

fuck its late

>>32542865

yeah Neelix was a tool. How many times did he endanger the ship by being a dumbass? Like 20? I'd have spaced that useless turd.

>>32540307
Everything after Riker is shit

>>32542784
I'm not making this shit up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/japanese-troops-ate-flesh-of-enemies-and-civilians-1539816.html

>>32542967
Are you replying to the right post?

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>>32534068

>in terms of personality / management style /k/?

Picard, very serious and professional concerned with maintaining a state of perfection that his men could admire. That said he was also absurdly idealistic and got the ship in trouble.

Sisko's "personality and management style" were less professional than Picard's but he was also much more pragmatic and militaristic when it came to strategy.

Archer is just sort of meh. He's a decent commander; but he talks about his feelings with his crew way more than any captain has business doing.

Kirk also talks about his feelings too much and also gets himself in trouble by trying to bang every species in the galaxy. A fun character; but unprofessional in a lot of episodes.

Janeway is How did they not mutiny against this incompetent hypocritical bitch tier. She's constantly preaching at her crew about Federation dogma ("I'm so disappointed in you Harry/Tom/Belanna/Dr./Seven/etc.") and yet gives zero fucks about violating it herself. Picard was really heavy on regulation and ideals too; but he fucking walked the walk, so he could talk the talk.

>>32542716

> Cain > Adam

I love the Old Man too, but he got distracted by pussy and weed and let the civilians drag the Fleet around by its dick until about three quarters of the survivors were killed.

Cain was waging a hit and run war pretty successfully. I disagree with her abandoning civilians without working ships but she had a better grasp of the situation.

>>32543034

Are you high?

The writers were extremely heavy handed in trying to show that Cain was in the process of trying to commit suicide by guerilla warfare.

Adama did a much better job of seeing that this was about preventing humanity's extinction and not about playing out some narrow minded and largely impotent revenge fantasy.

Babylon 5 and Sheridan Starkiller for the win.

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>Closest to /k/
Dave Lister from Red Dwarf

>>32536373
sergeant, at best. too emotional with his subordinates and can't let go of a grudge. if he doesn't go special forces sergeant is as high as he gets.

>>32547085
Sgt was his rank while fighting the Alliance at Serenity Pass, which was the end of the war so you're right.

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>>32546625

>>32543021
This.

So for me: Picard is best peace-time Captain. Sisko is best war-time Captain. And Kirk is best 'exploring the unknown' Captain.

Also, love that picture...
>tfw all the episodes you hated the most as a kid because they were 'boring' or didn't show enough of space
>are the ones you love the most now

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>>32546625
>Implying there isn't an Arnold Rimmer in every platoon