FS2000

>>32516294
Looked at it in comparison to the Tavor, bought the Tavor. Wanted to like the FS2000 more as I have a couple of other FN's, but just hated the way the damn thing handled. No way in hell the wife could use it. No issue with the jew blaster.

I like the concept but it handles kind of weird and the trigger is up there with the worst I've ever had the opportunity to squeeze.

>>32516294
They aren't imported anymore. Good rifle though, I love mine.
>>32516399
>No way in hell the wife could use it
Por que? My tiny wife has no trouble with the thing.

>>32516399
I'm a lefty and I'm not sure how I feel about the Tavor's ejection port. If I ever shoot from the other side it's dependent on the deflector to get the brass away from my face. Small, situational complaint but still.

How much did you get your jew blaster for?

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>>32516294
I know how you feel man, I fell in love with the Scar-H after playing Modern warfare 2, FN is just amazing at making firearms.

>>32516294
Let me let you in on a little secret: everything FN makes is really FN neato.

Get it while you can, they were discontinued. I've heard rumors they're working on a bullpup SCAR to replace it. Already saving up for 10 of them.

>>32516539
well except their pistols are shit

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>>32516565

>>32516294

still my favorite bullpup (others being a aug and tavor)

imo the only cons are the lack of a bolt hold-open and a long trigger pull which can be smoothed-out with a neu-trigger

its accurate, comfy, and dumps the brass in a neat pile in front of you

>>32516294
Trigger pull leaves something to be desired, but I'm sure can be addressed through aftermarket parts

It's somehow both surprisingly large AND light. It feels weird.

>>32516539
Yeah I'm an FN fanboy. I'm also a poor college student so dropping $2,000 on something right before I graduate seems like a bad idea. I'm hoping there'll be a few more around by the time I enter the workforce.

The bullpup scar sounds interesting, I'll keep an ear out for any more info on it.

>>32517462
when they were new they cost 2000-2500 if youve got the money just buy it now it wont get cheaper

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>>32516294

Boat thraed?

>>32516294
Handled one before, felt awkward.

>>32517542
I prefer the dolphin meme.

>>32517481
When I say poor I mean poor. I bought an SKS and had to wait about 4 months until the dent it made filled back in.

>>32517542
that's a ship

>>32517706
Not the submarine

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Great rifle.
But it's in desperate need of a Gen 2.
>add a LRBHO
>make the magwell gasket removable/serviceable to accept different mags if you want
>improve the charging handle ala judo chop lever
>add right side charging
>make the grip modular, able to swap to traditional pistol grip
>reduce bulk of forend
>improve trigger ala neu-trigger
>make toilet seat partially transparent maybe?

>>32516294
Mediocre. Permanently attached muzzle device to meet OAL requirements, typical bullpup trigger, no LRBHO, you'll break the charging handle if you HK slap it, it only feeds from USGI mags, it gets really frontheavy really fast if you stick and tactical crap on it
If you think it's cool, go ahead, but if you don't already have an AR for practical use I'd pass.

>>32517762
>>32517745
>LRBHO

newfag here, is that when the bolt stays opened after the last round is fired? why do you want that?

>>32517790
>why do you want that?
Because it's a hell of a lot better than hearing a "click" when you need a "bang"
Also makes mag changes easier and quicker.
>>32517762
>Permanently attached muzzle device to meet OAL requirements
Nope. Just permanently attached. For some reason. BBL and OAL lengths are already met without it.

>>32517790
So you can just push a button to drop the bolt instead of having to run the charging handle every time you change mags, also on a normal gun the bolt staying open gives to a clear visual indicator that the gun is empty and needs to be reloaded, rather than not firing for some other reason.

>>32517807
>Just permanently attached. For some reason.
That blows.

>>32516498
Nogunz here, I really want a SCAR, shot one at the range for the first time and it just felt comfy from start to finish (only other guns I've held, but not fire have been AK-74, Uzi Mini, PSL (really comfy gun as well, really want one of them too), a romanian clone of the IWI Jericho and a couple of RPKs.

Any idea how hard it would be to get one in Europe?

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>>32516294
The ergos are stellar, the balance is good and if you want the classic "boat" looking model the scope is a tack driver.

I've shot a Tavor and AUG as well, and prefer the FS2000 over them. It just handles better for me. I've handled a FAMAS once but never got any range time with it.

Reloads are like a G3 based weapon in that there is no bolt hold open so you gotta either lock the bolt back manually via a notch in the charging handle slot or just charge it when you put a new mag in.

The trigger like most bullpups is shit, it's of course worse than a Tavors but compared to a FAMAS, AUG and a Bushmaster 17S it's pretty good.

As for parts wear the thing that breaks the most is the charging handle due to it being plastic. They sell replacement charging handles made out of aluminum for about 50$. The hammer is not the weakest part of the gun. Another issue is later FS2000s had firing pin springs put in because of legal BS. Common thing to do is either chuck the spring or cut it down, if you don't you might get light primer strikes with certain ammo types. Another thing is people who don't understand the gas system will shoot .223 or lower grain loads out of it and get jams. It's a military rifle designed for NATO ammo so the standard gas setting is for higher pressure ammo, you have to change the gas setting into "adverse" mode in order to reliably cycle anything other than military 5.56mm ammo.

Other than that, it's a great rifle, and is actually considered by the FN research and development team to be the best weapon they've ever made. There's a reason Belgian SF still use them.

>>32517839
Depends on where in Europe. In the Czech Republic, for example, you could probably get a full-retard SCAR after a couple of background checks, whereas in Britain you're looking at tons of onerous legal encumberments for a straight-pull bolt action conversion.

>>32517878
Romania, I already know the law, I just don't know where to buy it *from*

I know about czech laws, and I am sad we don't have that sort of thing over here. No full retard guns here, but otherwise no restrictions (it's definitely legal under collector's license).

Do you know any european sellers who sell the SCAR internationally?

>>32516294
>southpaw shooter here
>My bro has one and I've shot it a few times

>Pros,
lefty friendly which is rare for a bullpup
very reliable never seen a jam
Easy take down / maintenance
Cool front eject shell feature
Eurgos are not bad and pretty intuitive
No longer being imported so price / value will go up
Takes most AR mags, don't remember if it worked with pmags though :/

>Cons
No mag drop
Overly Plastic bulbous feel in hands... feels like a toy gun like a super soaker
Shitty trigger
limited accessories, but if your a fan then this might not make much of a difference
Not a fan of the shape of the rear stock, but that's personal taste
No drum mags... b/c bullpup
Stock sights suck, your gonna need an optic

>>32517839

Depends of your country.
Saw some in Fr for ~4k5 / 5k

>>32517965
That's... a lot of money.

>>32517982
It's like a 3.5k gun for just the semi here in the states, my dude. They aren't cheap.

>>32518056
I guess that's the price you gotta pay for quality, I just doubt I'll have money for it any time soon.

Still, wishlist for the future I guess.

>>32517762
HK slap is stupid to begin with, not really a problem.

>>32518152
It's so satisfying and cool, though.

>>32518257

Are you one of those guys who slams the cylinders on his revolvers shut after getting them spinning?

>>32519831
No, that's stupid, but the HK slap is practical and done for a reason.

>>32519850

yeah, the reason is that unlike the fs2000, you can't just tap down on the charging handle so you're forced to slap.

it is not practical, just mere necessity.

>>32519880
Making the cocking handle require a delicate touch was a bad design choice on FN's part.
They should have anticipated end users looking at how the handle works and assuming it works just like an MP5 or G3, and designed it accordingly.
Designing it the way they did is like making a handgun where the mag release has to be pushed toward the muzzle, and if you press it in like you would on any other gun it'll bind the magazine inside the grip and require armorer-level repair to unfuck.

>>32519992
>FN should anticipate people trying to act "cool"

nah don't think so

also your analogy sucks, this issue has nothing to do with directions, just robustness and resistance against retardation.

>>32516479
heh, I'm a lefty. Fired my BIL's tavor, maybe it could be solved by being set up for me personally but I was finding that if I wanted a good sight picture through his 4x I had to live with my nose acting as the brass deflector.

>>32520061
in a way, I think any piece that's meant to be manipulated all the time should be as robust and fail-resistant as possible. I mean, I'm a feather touch kind of guy but I know some real ham-fisted POWER DRIVE kinds of people too.

That said, I don't know how breakable the piece truly is. Duder could just as easily be making mountains of mole hills

>>32520079
hah, yeah i can see that being a problem having to get up next to the optic

i'm not a fan of the downward ejection ports either but i think they're a better solution than what the tavor has

>>32520174

Agreed.

I'm pretty sure even my NES controllers still work fine, yet half the people I knew had fucked up their controllers within a couple months of owning them for every single console they ever owned.

>>32516437

>trigger is up there with the worst I've ever had the opportunity to squeeze

elaborate?

>>32520174

it is totally breakable if you go full karate chop on it hundreds of times. i got a decent deal on an aluminum charging handle so i swapped it out even though it wasn't broken, and the hinge point is just a plastic ring.

the issue is just cost, FN figured raw recruits will do as they are told and if the instructor says, just tap it down, it will do fine.

>>32520424
>FN figured grunts won't break things
wew

>>32517462
> I'm also a poor college student so dropping $2,000 on something right before I graduate seems like a bad idea.

Chances are you're already in debt, so who gives a shit about $2k on something that will never cost less

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>>32517693
>>32517542

>>32520755
That's the one!

Love it.

>>32520724
Opening a new credit card now.

>>32520494

its a trade-off

also feel free to explain to explain to the armorer you tried to look cool and broke the issue rifle by doing exactly what you were told not to do

>>32520724
>Chances are you're already in debt, so who gives a shit about $2k on something that will never cost less
This is why I don't feel bad for people who are broke.

It's like a P90 got drunk and an AR took her to his apartment to 'sleep it off'.

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>>32520755
checked and kek'd

>>32520724
This, I bought my first AK with loan money.

>>32516565
The pistols are great and some asshole showing us his rubber molding skills started a meme like the glocknade, also a fallacy.

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>>32516539
>>32517462
Ask, and you shall receive.

>>32520876
I don't know what this thing is, but Jay says it's some kind of big fuckin' sea turtle.

>>32521490
This isn't the actual bullpup design FN is working on, is it?

It looks more like a converted airsoft gun made to appease the CoDkiddies.

>>32521408
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/03/04/baltimore-county-police-stunned-accidential-discharge-new-pistol/

several other issues have been reported as well

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>>32516294

>>32520404
Bullpups are notorious for having bad triggers. It's the result of the trigger being in the front, and the firing mechanism in the rear. They usually use rods or slide bars to connect the trigger to the firing mechanism in the back, and though these are stiff, that travel distance still results in a lot of mushy trigger time. This is, so far, universal. However, some bullpups have trigger packs that can help, and the Kel Tek RDB apparently has a very good one due to design.

Though, buying one of those is playing the lotto it seems, which is another can of worms.

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>>32522035
Nop

>>32516294
Looks like a beached whale with a barrel sticking out the front.

Also:
>polymer everything

KEK no

>>32522061
What is a detriment of having "polymer everything"?

>>32522212
Build an engine out of plastic. See how well that works out. You are fucking stupid, by the way.

>>32522220
I was hoping for some sort of explanation such as "the polymer shell does not wear well."

Try not to be a prick? just looking for info.

>>32522220

fucking kill yourself nogunz

>>32521531
That's exactly what it is.

>>32522341
wew lad, It's certainly an acquired taste.

>>32521509

Sea turtle penis.

The turtle is a foot or two below the surface.

>>32522220

So are wood stocks retarded too?

>Build an engine out of wood. See how well that works out. You are fucking stupid, by the way.

You chose a poor comparison

I have one. I like it for a non go to gun. If you buy one go ahead and get a NEU trigger which makes it a reasonably nice trigger. They're $35. The downsides are it really only likes GI mags and won't latch any of my drums. It doesnt have an automatic BHO either.

I've shot a few shoot house drills with it which were super easy to swap shoulders. Had to keep an eye on ammo levels the hard way due to no autoBHO. Not a bad rifle but not the rifle I grab when Cubans start falling out of the sky.

>>32516294
Minus retarded way to checking chamber it's bretty good.

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>>32522499

>>32517957
>No drum mags
come on m8

>>32516294
>paying $2000+ for a rifle in 5.56

why not just build an ar and put on a trip already?

>>>/arg/

>>32522787
looks like one of those fucked up dog breeds where it's like a chihuahua mixed with a husky

>>32522796
Are you a communist?

It's not your fucking business, what a man does with his own money.

>>32517762
>Ehhh the fs2000 is cool if you're into that sort of thing
>But get an AR if you haven't
You AR fanboys are so fucking bland. If you love the fs2000, then get yourself a fs2000! ARs will be on the market for a looonnnggg time after the fs2000 disappears

>>32522220

Depends on the plastic. Torlon can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRd4Jy4Q4_4

>>32524095
I wonder why that never caught on.

>>32524095
>tfw no Torlon ultra-ultra-light bolt carrier for my race AR

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>>32522787

>>32522045
It's more than just weight of the pull. The virtue of pushing a rod to trigger the hammer has an off and long pull feeling. I own and love my PS90 but the trigger is the only thing that I hate about it.

>>32525981
Electric triggers are the future of bull pups.

>>32525874

Most likely cost.

You'd need completely different tooling to work with Torlon instead of Aluminum.

>>32526016
Electronic triggers aren't the future of anything as long as the ATF considers any autoloader with one a de facto machine gun.

>>32521490
I like how the magslot is labelled so I don't accidentally store my rations or put my dick in there.

>>32526463
>not sticking your dick in it anyway

>>32526463

it's to prevent people from putting clips in, since they're similar enough people get confused

>>32520833
Same. Goddamn that is stupid thinking. Especially if anon is serious about opening a credit card like he says.

>>32525981
Once again, nop. That is easily fixed as well. Watch the webm closely.

I've enjoyed the few i've gotten to play with, trigger is a big complaint, and I worry about the strength of the trigger pack, it gave me the feeling of something from Walmart when I took it apart.

That feeling aside the weapon pointed well and was very tame, but a tad picky about magazines, stoppage were easy-ish to clear.

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>>32517762
>have an AR for practical use

Ha
Hahah
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>32522787
does that thing have two safeties?

>>32531335
Sure looks like it.

>>32531335
>>32531349
One would hope that they have some sort of linkage between the two