/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

Are people still going over to Ukraine to fight with them against the Russians?

How does this work in terms of language barrier, money, and meeting up with an organization? Are people just going over there with a passport and some cash asking where to sign up, or do you need to know people?

Just curious.

>>32501159
I know for a bit a lot of guys were going over to fight against ISIS. The Ukraine conflict kinda simmered off into the background.

As for language barrier, you'de be surprised how much of the world can speak at least a spattering of English. The internet and more availability has done very well to get the language globally available along with movies/games. Not saying don't learn another language or expect them to know English, but odds are someone there will know enough to help.

>>32501390
I understand Donbass was taking volunteers when the conflict was heated. Russia probably won't be picking on Ukraine with Trump.
Which volunteer force is currently fighting ISIS? Is there usually an organization you have to contact prior to joining one of these volunteer forces?

Also, if I go overseas and join a volunteer fighting force and come home, will it complicate my enlistment into the US armed forces?

What kind of civvie jobs can I get with an intel background, depending on the specialty?

>>32501405
Willingness to bear arms for another country and association with foreign nationals can complicate a top secret security clearance.

I am actually not sure if it is entirely disqualifying, or just a red flag.

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Marine Poolee here.

My crunches are literal ass. My best set was 15. I started doing crunches with my legs up almost daily, whenever I'm relaxing or I'm out working and I have free time. I started this December doing this, and I realize my shipdate is right around the corner. My runtime is fine, and apparently they will be shipping me out on pushups since they changed PT standards recently, and I'm better at pushups than pull-ups.

Point is, how long will it take to see noticeable gains in the core area? My time is ticking, and I'm worried my crunches won't be ready. I ship soon, and it's my fault, and I'm sweating it.

>>32501510
15... In 2 minutes? I used to be able to do 130 in 2.

You're going to get stuck in fat body platoon at boot camp, which trust me you don't want. Plus already committing to push ups? You know that's only going to score you 70 out of 100?

You're already crippling your score to a third class and near minimum passing. Hope you're going turbo pog.

>>32501535
I realize, and I plan to do something Aviations wise with my ASVAB score of 86.

Tbh, I fucked myself pretty hard. Apparently if you never worked out your core, it will be shit. I found that out by my recruiters. I run great for my frame, but my core is shit, even my recruiter admits that.

Anyways, will I see noticeable crunch gain with the constant core workout I do throughout the week? I honestly have no clue if my crunches and flutter kicks will help. Idk if it does help though.

Any advice?

>>32501494
couldnt you just say you were visiting friends or past known associates if you're out of country visit came up in the ts interview and try to cheat the poly?

>>32501553
Do leg lifts for the lower core, thats where most people have problems, not their upper core.

>>32501553
Do crunches until your stomach is sore. On those days run your ass off. And get on that fucking pull up bar. The only one hurting you is yourself.

Jesus Christ bitch get motivated or go walk into the Army recruitment office.

>>32501431

Jobs doing intel as a civilian or training other people to do intel (military and other civilians).

Everything else kind of depends on your specialty. Everyone from your local city hall to fucking Disneyland hires prior military intelligence folks, just depends on their specialty.

>>32501662

You'd need points of contact to verify your activity out of country.

I had a friend who didn't get his clearance until after he was already in a while. They called his old commander and a couple other people to verify his 9 months in Afghanistan wasn't for any sort of malicious purpose. It was a 9 month deployment...that the Army sent him on.

>>32501726
How is intel valuable to civilian work though?
>Everything else kind of depends on your specialty
What specialties make it easier to find good jobs after mil service?

Accidentally posted this in the last thread instead, so anyone with relevant info please chime in.
Anyone have the need to knows on becoming a flight warrant officer? I'm not dead set I'm just spitballing ideas here but I feel like being a chopper pilot would be a pretty neat career.

>>32501765
>How is intel valuable to civilian work though?

If you mean for the intelligence community, it's directly transferable. Many service members in MI just go do the same job in civilian clothes. As a service member who does intel, your entire career you will work with civilians. They usually teach the training courses, they are usually the subject matter experts if the systems and databases are having issues. They provide continuity by staying in one place for longer periods of time while all of the military personnel are constantly moving around.

Civilian IC jobs come in two basic forms: federal jobs and contracting gigs.

Federal jobs have you working directly for the government. You would usually belong to one of the 16 organizations that comprise the Intelligence Community. That is all of the three letter agencies of course, but it also includes the military services. You can work for the Army, Navy, etc, as a civilian. Federal jobs have decent benefits, and well-defined promotion system and pay scale. They're also very, very stable. Once you're past your probationary period, you're extremely difficult to fire. These are decent middle-class jobs that will provide a decent middle-class lifestyle. A 40-hour workweek, yearly vacations, and retirement in your late 50s with a comfy pension.

Contract positions are created when a private company secures a contract from the government to provide a service. Contracts can range all the way from a few thousand bucks to provide cooks, to billions of dollars to build something like the F-35. Most contract work in the IC is white collar work, you're providing analytical support, training, building systems, writing software, etc. Contractors can make really good money, even stateside. You don't have the stability or benefits, though. The government cuts your contract after the year? Better find a new job.


Now, if you meant private industry work with intel experience, that's another story.

>>32501814

Look up WOFT. It's a competitive process, but you can join the Army and go directly into the pipeline to be a pilot if you are selected.

>>32501405
Lions of Rojava is what I think they were called. I heard that people got in contact with them on their Facebook page, but havent done it myself so I dont know if it was bullshit or not

>>32501872
Thanks my man, I'll definitely look into this.

>>32501859
Not the same guy but, what about the other part of the IC that isn't white collar work, such as agent handling for example? From which military branches do the civilian agencies recruit their personnel?

>>32502010

You probably want me to tell you that the agencies recruit super cool secret agents out of Special Forces all the time. Sorry to dispel that illusion. Most SOF dudes don't have the necessary clearances or skill set.

Everyone seems to think that the way to get deployed as a civilian is to go be an airborne SEAL sniper pilot, kill fiddy men, and then somehow get elevated to Jason Bourne status, but pretty much everyone I know who does intel work overseas did it the exact opposite way. They were white collar dudes, technicians, linguists, programmers, cryptologists, then they made the jump to deployed work on the basis of having those valuable skills and already being in the community. The biggest hurdle a lot of people encounter when getting an agency job is having the necessary degree and clearance. That means the guys who already do the office-side stuff have a huge leg up.

It's way easier to teach a technical professional how to opr8 than it is to teach an opr8r how to do the STEM stuff, and no matter where you go in the IC there's a lot of desk work and reporting to do.

Too many High School kids beating off to spy movies and trying to figure out what the most tactical-looking rucksack is when they should be focusing on getting good grades so they can get into a good college.

Right lads I'm going for the Irish army in February and I've got a few questions.

I recently recovered from being a lazy cunt and now I can run a 5k in about 40 minutes. I know that's fucking slow and I'm working on bringing that down while also working on the 1.5 mile time.

What else should I do? move up to maybe 7 or 8k?

>>32502080
>They were white collar dudes, technicians, linguists, programmers, cryptologists, then they made the jump to deployed work
I didn't think that the people who do clandestine work would be recruited from technical intel positions rather than combat arms.
If I'm interested in doing intel work overseas, and my recruiter's been pushing me towards cryptology and infosec jobs, should I go for it then?
I don't have a college degree, but I'm assuming I'll receive proper technical training in the army?

>>32502129

>I didn't think that the people who do clandestine work would be recruited from technical intel positions rather than combat arms.

I've known some really top-notch combat arms dudes, and some of them have successfully transitioned to the IC after the military. The vast majority, though, get held up by the fact that they don't have a degree or can't get the proper clearance. Holding up a guy with skills/experience because he doesn't have a piece of paper sounds retarded, but government HR are huge assholes about the degree thing.

>If I'm interested in doing intel work overseas, and my recruiter's been pushing me towards cryptology and infosec jobs, should I go for it then?


Here's what nobody tells you about being in those kind of jobs: 80 % of your peers just want that strat life. They want to get paid good money to work in an office and play D&D on the weekends along with a bunch of other people who want to work in an office and play D&D on the weekends. Then they want to get out and do the same thing for even more money. A lot of them are world-class at what they do, but aren't interested in coolguy schools or deploying.

If you are the one guy in the office that actually wants to max your PT test, go to coolguy schools and deploy, there is very little competition. My last unit had a Ranger school slot they were desperately trying to offer up and nobody wanted it. My buddy got offered airborne + air assault to re-up and he laughed his way out of the office because he just wants to get out and make contractor money.

You have to actually be good at your technical job though. Don't be that guy who can run fast but do nothing else, that's how you end up being a driver for your whole enlistment.

>I don't have a college degree, but I'm assuming I'll receive proper technical training in the army?

Yeah, but you're still going to want that degree eventually. Work on it during your service if you can, and finish it with your GI Bill if you have to.

>>32502175
>can't get the proper clearance
Aren't you supposed to get TS if you're in SF anyway?
>government HR are huge assholes about the degree thing
Is STEM what they're looking for, or are languages like arabic and farsi useful too?
>80% of your peers just want that strat life
Well, there are still physical requirements, even for technical intel, aren't there? They might not be as hard as infantry but there's still a standard
>You have to actually be good at your technical job
Are there preferences in the IC for certain kinds of specialists? For example will a linguist be valued more than a signals specialist or whatever?

>>32502215

>Aren't you supposed to get TS if you're in SF anyway?

SF just gets a secret by default, same with most SOF. Many of them will get a higher clearance throughout their career, but it isn't guaranteed.

For some reason there's a false perception in the civilian world that SOF work involves a high clearance. That's not really the case.

>Well, there are still physical requirements, even for technical intel, aren't there? They might not be as hard as infantry but there's still a standard

Minimum requirements are pretty easy. You need a 180 on the APFT to stay in the Army and you need to not be too fat. That's basically 99 % diet and 1 % running every so often. A lot of people in desk jobs ride that line because...why not? Everyone has their priorities, if they're meeting minimum standards then I don't fault them for using their time for other stuff.

>Are there preferences in the IC for certain kinds of specialists? For example will a linguist be valued more than a signals specialist or whatever?

That all depends what kind of mission set you want to get into. Pick something you have interest in. A lot of people pick something because it is "in demand" and end up not being able to motivate themselves to be good at it. All opportunities start with being good at what you do.

>>32502269
Is TS hard to get or is it fine as long as I don't have shady relationships? Do they give a fuck about my private life as long as I'm not in debt or working for a foreign power?
All "relevant" intel work requires TS, right?

>That all depends what kind of mission set you want to get into
My knowledge of the IC is limited to what I've read on the Internet, but clandestine humint in the broader sense is what interests me, both on the asset side and agent handling side

What kind of GPA/PT score/extracurricular/jobs should one have to be competitive for a flight slot at OCS?

Since it's ranger edition can anyone tell me if it's possible to volunteer for rasp during 69W AIT

>>32502388
Everything you're going to read is speculation. Anyone with an inside knowledge of the process isn't posting here.

I'll put it this way, if you have anything that can be used against you you're probably not going to pass. It's not a matter of the clearance being hard or easy to get, it's solely down to your situation.

>Do they give a fuck about my private life as long as I'm not in debt or working for a foreign power?
I'm being blunt here, but you want an intelligence job. Think about what that entails and what sort of things might disqualify you from dealing with sensitive information.

It's a no brainer. If there is something they don't like they'll thank you for your time and move you on elsewhere.

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If you ain't infantry, You ain't SHIT

>>32503804
Do you post this every single time there's a MEG thread?

>>32502099
I don't know what the Irish Army requirments are, but focus on actually getting /fit/ instead of just running. I've spent the last few months just running and it hasn't done shit as far as the other requirements like pushups and situps

Alright this is a dumb question, but I'm leaving for the Gayvy in a few days and it just occured to me that I'll have to leave my $1500 PC I built a year ago at home for a while. I'm going to Nuke school so is it out of the ordinary to ship it to my A-school just to have. I'll probably have to buy a laptop anyways.

>>32503788
>anything that can be used against you
I thought that the rule of thumb was "if there's anything that can use against you as blackmail, you're out, otherwise you're good"
I doubt anyone would get disqualified for any other reason than clearly presenting themselves as a liability (drug use, felony, dubious acquaintances, large amount of debt).
It seems stupid and arbitrary to disqualify someone for something that isn't related to the aforementioned reasons

>>32503948
Nice question seaman

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>ship out in two weeks
>run a 7-minute mile
>can do 50 situps in 2 minutes

>can only do 6 push-ups
Just kill me now.

>>32504068
>6 pushups
Do you only have one arm?

>>32504010
You would be surprised. People with attempted murder charges have passed the highest clearance levels, because the case was sorted and it was all done above board. They were not considered as a risk to the information.

A Belarusian girlfriend, on the other hand, or a year abroad at university in China - might cause them a lot more to worry about.

>>32498413
>Formerly US EOD for 8 years. Different than Germanofag, but I suppose you can ask.
>For us Engineers and EOD are very, veeeeeeeery different things.
Interesting. In the Bund, all EODs are in Combat-Engineer Battalions which makes sense to me as both of them primarily have the job to clear the way for other combat units.
Anyhow, the last of my courses will be a technical-english one, since apparently EODs are supposed to cooperate with other units NATO-wide. Have you ever worked directly with non-US troops? Was it common?

>>32502099
That is slow. I'm in my 70s and I'm faster than that. Do you have a ParkRun scheme in the Republic? If you do, get involved with it. 5km races every saturday.

Aim for a sub 20 5k. Barring any medical conditions (that would likely prevent you from joining anyway), that should be the sort of pace for a young man.

>>32504094
I should be fine. I've never left the country for an extended period of time and have no foreign acquaintances, my family and friends are either native citizens or were naturalized.
Then again who knows what they might be searching for.

>>32504068
>Only 6 pushups

Holy fuck, I'm in terrible shape and that is bad.

>>32504129
That's good, then.

There are a few more things that they'll look into, but nothing particularly interesting.

Most of what they "fail" people on is open source these days. Gone is the time where they would send juniors out to speak to your university lecturers, parents friends and old colleagues. They'll just put your email address and name into Google, Facebook, YouTube and so on.

Delete LinkedIn, Twitter, etc if you have it. LinkedIn is a nightmare for persec.

>>32504163
As long as they don't care about my mobile and internet history, I should be good - even then, it's not like I ever did anything illegal, either. And I doubt they'll go check that even for TS anyway.

I don't have any social media, fortunately, my name on Google pretty much returns my old high school and that's it.

anyone 11bP?

>>32503746

68W? Yes, it's possible. No guarantee that it will be available when you go through or you will be what they're looking for though.

>>32503804

This. FUCK POGs.

>>32504094

What If I got a DUI 4 years ago?

>>32504163
Do they track down old friends? What kind of stuff do they ask your family?

>>32503746
Yes, you will have to drop a application packet through the regiment. When I went through there was a SOCOM recruiter on post that would take volunteers to a briefing on all the different units, 75th, SFG support, 160th, etc.

My advice is to just get the option 40 and make damn sure you have a seat to RASP, if they're drawing back or are overmanned you have little hope if you're not a PT stud and top of the class. Other option would be to get airborne in the contract at least, it'd be easier for you to get orders cut to RASP if you are already going to be at Benning.

>>32504512

keep talking shit infant tree men

i know some cooks that will jack off in ur omelette if u keep talking shit

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>>32504885
IS THAT WHY THEY'RE SO GOOD

YOU SICK BASTARDS

>>32504575
>>32504640
When I put my sf86 paperwork in for my secret clearance, they ask where you have live, if you lived with anyone, etc etc. As far as dui, it varies. Just tell the truth and be done with it. Mainly they want to see if you'll tell the truth and not hide anything. Also one thing that can get to is credit scores.

>>32505015
That's for TS yeah? How do they find out about medical stuff if you don't tell them what doctors you went to?

>>32502080
Are you saying CIA SAD operators are actually IT nerds who received spooky training?

>>32505023
Both are the same paperwork, TS just goes back further. Secret, you put back 4 or 5 years (been awhile since I've checked, so don't quote me.) worth of info, TS goes back like 10.

>>32505023
Also, medical, not for sure due to HIPPA. Again, it's been awhile since I've done the paperwork, but I don't remember any medical questions on the sf86.

>>32505052
Depends on what they want them to do, obviously the PAG guys who are going after economic subversion and espionage are going to be brainiac PhDs, but they're only going to get bare minimum weapon quals. Even the first few CIA folks in Afghanistan requested Delta escorts because they were 40 something year old case officers.

Think about the time it takes to get those hyper-elite SOF guys to get where they are, you think the intel agencies will really bother to give one of their nerds, past their prime, anything more than the bare minimum for personal safety when they have those units on speed dial?

Even in the military, the organic SOT-A intelligence guys that deploy with ODAs don't get all the same shit they do through the Q course, at best they go to ranger and the infil schools.

>>32505114
So, what of the field agents who operate under nonofficial cover? They're not elite supersoldiers, nor are they pasty nerds in their fifties.
Where are they recruited, since their mission requires both safety training and technical training?

>tfw leaving for air force basic in 2 weeks
>tfw nervous as fuck

>>32505168
Why, that's part of the mystique anon. I'm sure they do just as much recruiting out of Ivy League top 10% schools as they do out of SOF. Could just be that it's a recruiting network of potential candidates being referred up the chain. If popular entertainment is to be believed, there are professors doing agency screening and referring potentials, or young SOF guys with visible aptitude being pulled for screening or being groomed by a handler.

If it's about real spooky shit, they'll find you.

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What's more likely to get me flying, the signing up to be an analyst with a Guard unit that also has fighters, then applying to be a pilot once I have a degree, NROTC, or AFROTC?

Thanks in advance

>>32505192
Good luck anon, going AF too. You can do it.
Report back and tell us what it was like.

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How do I look for Navy OCS starting packet this fall
3.8 BA in economics
Tested myself for PT and scored"good"
Received afrotc scholarship first semester there but declined it due to wanting to join Navy
Almost fluent in Portuguese
In fraternity and several other clubs at university
Voulteer at USO and my local highschool
Do I have a shot /k/

>>32505233
thanks anon and good luck to you as well

>>32505201
So it's a case-by-case basis for those things huh.
>tfw I'll never be recruited to pick locks for the CIA

>>32505230
Well if you're going to fly that beauty of a jet you have pictured, you are gonna need to go active duty.

>>32505230
Army WOFT if you don't mind rotary, seriously your best bet.

ROTC chances would go to the Navy, they reserve about 40% for academy grads, 40% for ROTC grads, and the rest goes to OCS. For the AF side though out of the thousand or so slots easily half goes to their academy grads. If you want fighters, obviously Navy/Marines will be the better opportunity, but lift/bomber would be AF.

I would avoid the guard/reserve route unless you were attempting to get into an academy, provided you're young enough still. With all the force shaping and cuts some pilots are willing to transfer from active and can cock block you for a long time, plus the politics can be tricky.

>>32505201
>>32505168
There is no formula for this sort of thing and more often than enough, simply expressing an interest will have someone point you in the right direction.

>>32504575
If you tell them about it and it's all clear then it shouldn't matter.

Industrial espionage? You aren't getting cleared for anything, ever. You could, quite honestly, have a serious (but time served, court settled) charge on your record and get a TS clearance. Many do.

>>32504640
Generally speaking they want to know what your reputation is and see if it matches up with what they already know, and what others tell them.

They're not idiots. When they speak to your ex-girlfriend they are not going to take what she says as gospel, but they'll make a note of everything and compare it to what they have and what they ask other people. If there's consistency in the answers then they'll generally be happy with that, even if you might not think the answers are good. Consistency is what they're looking for.

>>32505288
>Army WOFT if you don't mind rotary, seriously your best bet.
What is necessary to be competitive for WOFT? Rotary sounds dope

I'm gonna join the navy but I have bipolar depression (not bipolar 2 where you have manic episodes and take your clothes off and run down the highway) should I just not tell them? Is there any way they can tell if I've seen a psychiatrist? I have self-harm scars on my forearm. they're not terrible but I'm afraid they'll ask about them.

>>32505391
They take high school kids, for real.

Score high on the SIFT and have a GT of 110, flight physical, have a bitchin APFT (280+), get good recommendations, write a good essay, and do well at your board interview. They're really just looking for a well rounded, mature person with their shit together that knows what he wants. The packet and board process really weeds people out that can't follow directions/doesn't have the aptitude.

I'm by Fort Rucker right now actually, it's good place to be, Army aviation in general is breddy gud. If you follow the rabbit trail and go back like 5-10 threads there was a CWO2 on here with about 8 years in answering some questions.

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/woft.shtml

>>32505440

>Is they're any way they'll know about my injured mental state? I mean, it's all inside my brain so it isn't like there is any visible...

>Oh, also I have obvious physical indications of my massive mental damage.

Really anon?

>>32505483
my brother has the same thing and he did fine in the army infantry so

>>32505509

Did he also leave scars all over his skin where he tried to off himself?

>>32505288
I'll be honest, my heart is set on fighters, but my experiences with both sailors and airmen has led me to believe I would prefer the Air Force. How big of a difference is there betwen the proportion of pilots who are assigned fighters in both branches?

>>32505686
Strictly looking at the numbers here, not sure how the other branches do their assignments. AF looks the best bet, unless you get a hard-on for carrier stuff. Last time I looked the AF had about 2k fighters, including the A-10 in that figure. With the Navy at just over a thousand, and Marines with something like 250-300.

>>32505527
I'll probably just scald that arm with oil and say it happened at work so there jerk

>>32505242
good shot, do good on ASTB
write a good motivational statement too

>>32505242
Way better than me.

3.3 BS Biochemistry
No extracurriculars on campus
2 years of full time work in sophomore/junior year
PT score 'excellent'

>>32501814
The army subreddit (i know i know) has the exact info you want
Also literally just google it

>>32505242
>>32505991
by the way, PT scores don't matter in your application
Second guy, it's a good shot at shit like pilot but for the smaller designators, it might be tough, you gotta rock the ASTB. Might not be "well rounded enough" for SWO either.

>>32506069
Really? Pilot is what I want lol. I assumed that would be the most competitive

>>32506077
Do good on the pilot portion of the ASTB like 6/6/6+ (score's 1-9) and at least a 50 on the OAR then you'll most likely get in.

>>32504068
>6 push-ups
Girl?

>>32504128
>I'm in my 70s
???

>>32504068
do you have a wasting disease

>>32506109
>6/6/6+ (score's 1-9) and at least a 50 on the OAR
Is there a study guide out there? I mean, I've taken calc III, engineering physics I&II so that should cover pretty much everything on the exam yeah? Do pilot slots preferentially go to STEM guys?

I'm actually scared now because I need this for my future. Having bipolar disorder disqualifies me from serving in the navy but what if I just don't tell them? I just get really quiet it's not like I freak the fuck out. How likely is it that I can sneak this past them

>>32504068
Hungry skeleton?

>>32506643
>is not a privilege
You mean 'is a privilege.'

>>32506034
Sorry if it seemed like a bit of a stupid question, but sometimes you folks over here have valuable bits of info that are harder to find elsewhere. Thanks anyways.

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I want to join the Muhreens.

Can anyone give me a sort of preparation guide before joining?
(workout program, things to practice before hand, things I should know before joining, etc)

>>32506704
Nobody wants to spoon feed you, scroll up and read or hit up google.

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Hey gang,

I plan on joining my State's NG unit as an 11b. I've got a successful career, house and wife so I don't need job skills or anything like that.

My recruiter was telling me our State (MA) has an SF unit that, if I really want to go all-out, I could join. I'm well aware that would basically become a full-time job.

I'm thinking I should join as an 11b, then train up, maybe in like a year or so go to one of the SF tryouts. Is there any reason that route may not work?

I leave for OSUT on the third, I packed 1 change of clothes, hygene shit, gold bond, and a watch. Anything else i need? I feel like i forgot something my recruiter told me.

>>32506965For example, do I need to bring a combo lock?

>>32506804
They generally want you to have 2 years under your belt, 1 year out from AIT is required, and be at least an E-4, you also need to be eligible for a secret clearance. If you go to SFRE and are not picked up there is a chance they will not let you attend again. If you are selected you will need at least 3 years left on your contract.

Be advised it will be hell on your marriage, the pay may not be comparable to what you get now until quite a ways down the line, and if you make it to the Q course but wash-out at any point you will most likely be released to your original unit and screw stuff up on the civilian side. Getting selected out of SFRE may be better than going Rep 63 because you will be able to break up the course and take them as you can, vs being pushed straight through the pipeline. If you do get tabbed your activity level within the unit is really up to you, as far as training/deployments. Most guys way out of state only show up to the minimum drills needed and must keep up their proficiency on their own time/dime. School slots are generally open because of this, out of state battalions and even other groups will come calling if they need bodies for deployments, and some guys will 'guard bum' to pull all sorts of TDY and AGR duties.

2/19 also has a company in Rhode Island, look up the difference in the 19th vs the 20th, it will come into play with whatever language you will need to learn.

My advice is to take a 3 year infantry contract if you do not feel up to snuff right now, you will be able to drop by on one of their drills or go to SFRE and get a gauge of where you are readiness wise. Then you can decide to re-up and go the NG route or release and go active.

Drop an email at this link, the recruiting detachment will usually call/email you in a day or two and give you a run down, they are more better informed and looking out for your interests vs the normal guys.

http://www.nationalguardsf.com/index.shtml#

Im join the navy, do people watch anime? I don't want to get made fun of

>>32507106
>Im join the navy
Hello, join the navy

How can I join any branch? I live in Finland. So far no luck. None of the military branches can sponsor a green card either. They stopped doing that in 2004 or 2006 I can't remember when. I've tried USMC, US Army, US Navy and Air Force. They just can't sponsor the green card. I tried the Army first time in 2008 already.

Information about me:
>27
>pro USA
>currently a student, studying in car industry
>ex finnish navy
>ex volunteer firefighter
>ex security officer
>pro 2nd amendment
>gun owner
>no criminal records what so ever (no drunk arrests or anything)
>I have different certificates (I can drive a forklift for example)

>>>/int/69229593

>>32506580
>bipolar
you're basically a time bomb. just get your shit sorted out, get a job or something

>>32506580
>I just get really quiet it's not like I freak the fuck out
That is an odd symptom for BPD. Are you sure you were diagnosed correctly?

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I'm an American, getting a BSc in CS from UQ, (a top university in Australia).

I want to commission into the USAF after I graduate. Is the fact that the degree isn't from a US university going to be a problem?

I just want to serve for 4-6 years because my brother, and father did, but I want to be involved in software engineering.

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>>32500858
So I'm debating on joining. 22, Associate in IT. Considering either Marines or Army. PT will be no issue, been working out for years now.

>>32507703

What do you want to do?

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Ask an Army Infantry recycle who got sent back to day zero from week 10 for failing his pushups on the APFT anything.

>>32508334
did you fucking break your arm or something?

>>32508355
Nope. Just suck at pushups. Ironically I got the max score on sit-ups and my run is decent. I guess my upper body is just shit.

>>32508369
Then how the fuck did you make it to week 10 in the first place if you can't do 40 push ups?

>>32508334

I feel you brother. 18x PT failure here. I still wish I would have signed up as an 11b instead of not having concrete goals.

>>32508433
>18x PT failure here
Are you that same guy who failed to get 240?

When it comes to packing to BCT, you're basically good as long as you're not naked and have all your documents, right?

>>32507178

have you considered the french foreign legion?

>>32508419
Well for some reason my Drill Sergeants let me go until APFT 4 instead of 3. Then it took me another week until I was told I was going to be recycled and then yet another week as a non-trainer until the company next door started up which is where I am now.

>>32508447
Yes.

>>32508369
I sucked at pushups. So I did a few sets each night by my bunk. Then I passed. Magical.

>>32508447
Yes. Bring as little as possible. You don't even really need your documents but bring them to be safe. Just bring your phone and documents and the clothes on your back in one of those tiny ass string backpacks.

>>32508433
So, where did you end up?

>>32508477
>I sucked at pushups. So I did a few sets each night by my bunk. Then I passed. Magical.

Yeah. I know. Lesson learned. Honestly just wanted to give a warning to the people in this thread.

I thought PRT and smokings would be enough to get me where I needed to be but they weren't. Make sure you work on your own during free time.

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>>32508442

Yup.

>>32508505

19D Cav Scout. Holed up in Harmony Church but I'm out on Block Leave for the next two hours before I have to get my ass on a bus back from Cali to Georgia. Things aren't too bad and it's alot of the same shit we learned in 11B.

>>32504689
Might need a medical waiver for a surgery. I could lie about it but I'm worried that it might come back if I need a high security clearance at some point later in my career.

If you do get a background check do they cover past surgeries and such, and if so do they look at your MEPs records to see if you told meps about it? I've heard of people lying about drug use at meps then disclosing it on the SF86 with no problem but that's just heresay.

I've looked at the sf86 and there's no medical portion if I remember correctly

>>32505168
Dale comstock did CIA work

>>32508559
>Yup
How did you fail to get 240? Did they have you do a 12 mile ruck then test you? wtf

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>>32508433

Wait, you wish you had signed up as 11b instead of 18x?

Holy shit, wait, you signed up to go 18x without being a PT stud before even leaving to BCT? What were you thinking?

>>32509948
Them letting you stay an 11B if you wash out is a meme, they put them wherever now.

I'm going to enlist in the Navy as a nuke, but I have a moderate milk allergy and a pretty bad (pea)nut allergy. (I can be near them fine, but definitely cannot eat them) Is my best bet to tell the Navy at meps and hope I get it waived, or or just say I'm not allergic? (I've been managing my allergies all my life with nothing but benadryl, only had to use an epipen once because I was a retard). How hard would it be to eat in boot camp if you have to avoid all milk, cheese, and nuts?

>>32502010
Agent handling is extremely white collar. There is nothing sexy about having to write every detail of every meeting, commo plan, and so on ad nauseum in multiple formats.

>>32502175
You only get decent training outside of FORSCOM. FORSCOM will fuck your world up for intel shit.

>>32502215
Military will mostly train you in languages beneficial for them, unless you show up to be a 09L or its equivalent. In other cases, you will report to the DLI then to your AIT/A School/whatever.

You will need certain certifications to get to places and do jobs. At the lower levels, networking might show people your interests and get you to places that will certify you, or put you in contact with people who can pull strings for you.

But big military does not give a single fuck about what you do in the off time so long as stupid shit, like your vehicle insurance being not expired, is taken care of. Nor do they care about degrees or anything of that nature outside of promotion boards.

>>32510288

>car insurance

Funny story. Our EWO on board decided to let his insurance expire. A week later his car caught fire and it spread to 2 neighboring vehicles: a brand new IC1 that checked in that day and our CMC.

Shipboard fire party even responded to see the shitstorm.

>>32510320
What are the acronyms?

>>32510233
>enlist in the Navy as a nuke
Mistake

>>32510320
Why was an IC1 parked by your CMC?

>>32502080
How would one make the jump from say USAF analyst/intel officer or pilot to the intelligence community?

>>32510594
>analyst/intel officer
>to the intelligence community
What?

>>32510655
As in from the military to a civilian agency/company/whatever

>>32510594
>>32510693
>retire from AF
>go back to AF doing same job getting paid six figures

It's not rocket surgery.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/460535500/

>>32510746
I hadn't realized it really was this simple. Thanks

23 year old britbong here - I've got a degree in audio technology and no idea what I want to do with my life. Is it worth looking at British army roles or joining the reserves?

I work in a shitty office role at the moment and its fucking killing me.

>>32503804
THIS.

ALL POGS ARE FUCKING PUSSY FAGGOTS

>>32510746

Officers already get paid six figures after you factor in benefits. Officers taking federal jobs usually have to eat a pay cut.

>>32510011
Who cares? 19D and 11B are the exact same thing, expect 19D does more stuff

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>>32510746
Don't Captains make over $100,000?

Are enlistedfags so stupid as to brag about spending 20 years never going above six digits?

>>32511944
Yeah that's fine and all, but it's entirely possible to end up 42/92 etc etc.

>>32511986
Why is this an issue? That's still way ahead the average civilian wage, and probably triple what they would have earned coming from where your average enlisted man does. To make it even better, they get benefits and discounts on everything and if they so choose can simply do everything in barracks.

$45,000 in the military is a better wage than $70,000 out of it.

>>32511986
More like 75k

>>32511783
To be qualified to that job linked you need to be field grade, and if they're forcing you out around 20-25 years it's a good alternative to someone who doesn't quite want to be done working yet.

>>32511559
There's a shift at the moment toward the Reserves and any future deployment is going to rely on the Reserves more than in the immediate past, so it's worth a look.

Reserve Officer is a good route to take as if you don't, for whatever reason, make it through Sandhurst you've done your soldier training beforehand - so instead of leaving the Army as a whole you just return to unit. It's also a lot better from a social point of view these days.

Who are your local units?

>>32511986
>Captain
>Over 100,000
Must be getting some hella good bonuses
Anyhow after 8 years your base pay is about 72,000 starting this year. Bah in an area like Bragg nets about 15,500. With bas tossed in you get about another $3,000.
So an army captain with 8 years of experience living in an average cost of living area makes $90,000-$91,000

>>32511986
Nah bud you make more as a journeyman in a good trade union than you do as lower officer

>>32512068
This is mere pocket change to all the $150,000 a year welders, salary waving small/medium sized enterprise owners, $200,000 a year carpenters and other guys in their mid 20s that post on 4chan on a Monday.

>>32512089
>>32512081
Like clockwork

>>32512089
>$150,000 a year welders
If only. If it was like this I wouldnt be in this thread

>>32512089
I know you're joking, but the others dont

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>>32512095
Just learn to make physics your bitch and you could pull down 300k.

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How would one go about becoming a commissioned officer in one of the Ranger battalions? I'm graduating with my bachelors in Summer and thinking about commissioning, but I don't want to get stuck behind a desk.

>>32512118
Are you in the Us?

>>32512104
They don't make that much normally, but that job is pure nightmare fuel for me. I don't mind diving as I'm working on my license right now, but fuck that job.

>>32512118
Get into infantry, hopefully get a seat to airborne and then ranger schools, kick around as a PL for a year or two until you can be promoted, then drop a packet to go to RASP 2.

http://www.benning.army.mil/Tenant/75thRanger/Recruiting.html

>>32512118
From O-1 to O-3 you won't end up behind a desk as an Army 11A

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>>32512146
The United States? Of course.
>>32512173
PL meaning Platoon Leader? Why wait to be promoted? The RASP 2 tab on that link seems to be only talking about enlisted, will this work for an officer?
>>32512192
That's good to know, is 11A hard to get? I'm assuming that's what the above guy was referring to when he said "Get into infantry".

>>32512236
>Why wait?

They're not going to take a green LT unless he was a prior service batt boy, that and you generally need 12 months on station to PCS.

>>32512068
Bragg is below average, and 95k with a bunch of it being untaxed and not having to pay for healthcare is actually 110k+ easy.

Sauce: making 75k in the service, turned down a 85k civvy job. It would have been a cut after taxes.

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>>32512260
I see, that all makes sense. Are all these rules clearly laid out somewhere in an easy-to-find location or is that asking too much?

>>32512068

O-3 Bragg BAH is more like $18000/yr untaxed. It's 27k/yr where I'm at, which is more typical. Bragg is a shit hole.

How fucked will I be if I completely fail the math portion of the ASVAB

>>32512302
its not that hard man, and the scores that matter are a combination of a couple of the tests results.

If you do anywhere decent, you can qualify for alot of jobs

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Any tips on acing the apft? I've got about 3 months to get from 170 to 300. A long fucking shot, I know. For those of you who've done it, what was your routine?

>>32512510
Why do you need the 300? If you're planning on going 18x or something, you got more problems than the PT test if you're scoring 170.

why are aviation mechanics a bunch of fucked up ducks

>>32512536
I want 11b, but Rangers is the place I'm trying to get to.
I have no issue with physical activity, the low score is just due to a huge fuck up,on my part by not actually preparing in the way I should be. Now that it's only three months away I've gotten a huge kick in the ass and need to get going. I just wanted to see how other people did it so I can do it in the most efficient way.

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i'm joining the muhreens as infantry. chances of going to Syria? can I volunteer to go to Syria? also, I'd like to visit a lot of the historical landmarks before the earth is sucked into the sun so it would be great if someone could provide a map of the current situation over there

>>32512723
Running is usually the hardest event. Sprints, and longer courses that include many hills are the best way.

Any schmuck can max the push-ups and sit-ups by just doing them daily for three months. No real special secret.

But that isn't training you for Rangers, that's training you to game the PT test. If you are at 170 score, I severely doubt that three months is enough time to get into shape unless it's literally all you do with your time. You might say/think you are "good with physical stuff", but that low PT number says otherwise.

What's your ruck time? Harder question: what is your ruck time WITHOUT breaking into a running stride. How fast can you walk it out?

Can you climb ropes? Can you pull yourself over a wall just using your hands? How long can you do weighted overhead presses? How fast can you swim?

You may be in for a big shock famalam. There is a reason there are more infantry than Ranger guys.

>>32512746
No conventional deployments. Nothing you can volunteer for unless you go specialized and get the luck of the draw.

No signs of us committing to a conventional deployment schedule any time soon.

Why do people still buy the "all combat all the time" thing? The big deployments are over. Functionally, most of the military is in peacetime mode.

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>>32503804
Vietnam veteran here, modern infantry are faggots

>>32512789
Well, thanks. I'm not sure it's enough time either, but the best I can do is give it a shot and try my hardest. I'm sure this would piss off any Ranger in here beyond belief, but it's been so long since I've done a ruck I can't remember. I obviously have a lot to work on.

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Any National Guard fags here? I enlisted in the army guard and am curious to how the MOS you have affects the duties the state activates you for?

>>32512805
I just want to go on a pilgrimage to the Levant man. Maybe shoot a Saracen while I'm at it.

>>32512945
Depends on what the state activates you for. I've never been activated for shit, and I'm a medic. More often than not, combat arms get the local missions, unless it's something like aiding law enforcement in a failed attempt to reduce crime. There, your MOS doesn't matter, you're riding with cops, and they'll take whomever they can.

>>32512988
cool thanks

>>32512746
>chances of going to Syria
0.

>>32513007
No problem.

Am I making a mistake by enlisting rather than commissioning since I'm going to do MI?
Army recruiter said civilian positions were almost exclusively filled by former NCOs but I don't trust him
Do officers get a leg up in the IC for certain positions?

>>32513195
MI as enlisted is pretty much being a paper boy for at least 2 years.

>>32513223
So until I become NCO?

>>32512536

No actually, he needs to focus on being a PT stud.

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I leave for basic in 2 hours. Shieeeeeeeet

Is it a bad thing to consider getting a UZ Contract over an 03 Contract? And Ricky Recon doesn't do much shit other than training nowadays right?

>>32513520
tell me how it goes ok?

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What's with the enlisted corps and fat chicks or marrying former Flip hookers?

Its only enlisted dudes who do this fucked up shit and everyone is supposed to congratulate them. But I end up staring at the back of their fat wife's head and getting this sinking feeling, like when you watch someone die. Its the exact same feeling.

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>>32513986
gotta get that sweet BAH one way or another

>>32513897
In two months I will lmao

>>32514113
yeah, tell me how it went ok?

>>32513195

Officers have a tougher time getting technical jobs than NCOs because they don't do technical work in MI.

Obviously if you want to be a manager, officer experience is better.

>>32513873

>UZ Contract

Don't do it unless you are in the physical shape of a d1 college athelete. BRC is no joke and if you fail it on a UZ contract you will get stuck wherever the USMC needs spots filled (won't be infantry). Most likely stuck doing some bullshit like cook or supply or admin wishing you would have taken the UH contract.

>>32513195
There's more NCOs in civilian jobs because there's more enlisted than officers, not because they can't do the job.

Enlisting instead of commissioning is a meme.

>>32512746
There are 2 branches doing things in Syria, and neither of them are the Marines.

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>>32512068
Hella good BAH reporting.

As mentioned by other posters, because a large portion of your pay does not count as taxable income, military taxes are extremely low. To get an equivalent after-tax income as a civilian, you would have to make significantly more money. Details in pic.

Oh, and don't forget healthcare costs. My total monthly healthcare cost for both medical and dental are $11.68.

>>32514422
>Enlisting instead of commissioning is a meme.
Why?

>>32514399
I just want muh M45A1 CQBP and full fun M4A1, and I just graduated from HS around 8 months ago, so I got time.

>>32514422
Nope. I actually beat out two officers for my civilian job as an NCO because they were less qualified. It's a technical job, not a supervisory one, so they preferred someone who had already demonstrated they can do the work.

>>32514844
>>32514312
Are there any cases where officers are preferred over NCOs for technical work, aside from the obvious (air force pilot)?

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>>32514736
He thinks everyone else should fuck their life up as much as he did.

Classic "crabs in a bucket" syndrome. The military is filled with these people.

>>32514924
Well if you care about money and benefits, obviously commissioning is better

>>32514903
Anything involving air platform designs and usage
Anything research wise
Anything science and engineering related

>>32514940
So, highly technical STEM stuff basically. That's it?
Are you including stuff like SIGINT or does it not count?

>>32512894
No you aren't. Iraq/Afghan vet. I drink with them at the bar. They have nothing but kind stuff to say to us new vets.

They went thru hell, they get it.

>>32514940
You retarded? I'm in a STEM research job now as a former NCO. Officers with engineering degrees have huge skill atrophy in the military because they don't do it. I used my degrees constantly while enlisted.

Officers manage, they don't actually use those STEM skills or keep them up.

>>32515033

Similar situation here. I work with a lot of former military with CompSci degrees. Most of the officers we get haven't written a line of code since college. They also think they're worth way more than they really are. Basically the same hard skills as a fresh college grad but you want triple the salary?

They make great PMs though, probably closer to their military experience.

>>32500858

Only people who cant afford to buy the items in the picture enlist

>>32514959
I'll go even further. Most Vietnam vets want to buy me a beer. It feels awkward so I accept. But then I buy them a beer, so its basically even.

Go find me an old veteran that would shit on those who came after him. Protip: probably can't.

I'll be the old guy with a OIF/OEF sticker shaking your hand before deployment. You know people actually did that. Bangor Maine, real people wished us well as we got on the Plane.

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>>32514959
>>32515208
ignore the kiddies friend

>>32515228
I'm drunk dude. Its OK.

Doesn't invalidate my opinion.

>>32512049
I'm North Kent based so any of the London units or those based out of the reserve centre in Bexleyheath (133 Field Company, 265 Yeomanry Signals, 71 Yeomanry Signals)

>>32513223
Dunno about that man. Junior enlisted did a fuckton of the real intel work in my first shop.

How does housing work for officers? What the pet policy for officers? Can you have doggos at any point during your deployment?

>>32516467
>Can you have doggos at any point during your deployment?
Of course. You can even take them with you into battle. I know navy seals who would keep pet sharks with them.

>>32516495
Sorry, I must not understand what deploying means. During your contract can you have your doggos with you in housing?

>>32516525

Deploying = Living on a base in a warzone or on a ship out on the ocean.

Nowadays, you might serve your entire military contract without deploying at all, depending on your job/service.

Whether you can have pets depends on what post you're at and whether you are authorized separate quarters. In 95 % of places an officer, you will be allowed to live in the home/apartment of your choosing, which means whether you can have pets is all based off your landlord's rules (or not, if you buy a place).

>>32516713
Thank you sir, so I don't really have to worry about being away from my doggos for a long time? I can keep them at my parents but I'd rather spend more time with them than less. Trying to get a shot at a pilot slot so I'm not sure how much time away I'd be spending

>>32516725

If you're in a short-term training status (IE, less than six months), you're usually going to be living in a hotel. Longer than that and they move all your shit and let you set up in a house/apartment. I don't know the exact timelines for different parts of the pilot training pipeline, but I expect that you will be bouncing around living in hotels for at least part of it.

>>32512118

>I don't want to get stuck behind a desk.

Don't commission.

Can members of the reserves put in a pack or request for deployment, or does it depend on the branch?

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Fort Benning in a few weeks

Should I or should I not bring my cellphone. My muhreen buddy told me I could, but I'm pretty sure he just wants me to get smoked because I didn't join his beloved corps with him. I'm thinking since I won't see the damn thing till phase IV AIT it's not worth it anyhow, but should I?

>>32518108

100 % bring it.

BCT used to have rows of pay phones for people to use if they "earned a phone call". In a typical cycle this is once at the beginning, then maybe 2-3 times throughout BCT. Usually you get 5-10 minutes. Some cycles less, some cycles more. Sometimes they might let you compete with each other to win minutes. It's very Drill Sergeant dependent.

Anyways they got rid of the pay phones years ago now because everyone has a cell phone. Don't bring a cell phone? You will be borrowing someone else's if you earn a phone call. Everyone's phones get rounded up at locked away at the beginning of the cycle, they will unlock them and hand them out if/when you get a call.

>>32518143
>no pay phones
lmao holy shit

thank you

>>32516822
Thanks for the info m8

>>32512118
Couple things. First off, just plain being an officer in general: You will be a staff officer. Period. Ranger units have staff officers just like anyone else. Even if you are in regiment, you will spend time in the operations shop or elsewhere on the staff.

As ranger regiment itself, there's no way for a commissioned officer to stay in regiment for long periods of time. For example, in order to command in regiment you must first have at least one successful command outside of regiment. In order to get a command in whatever unit that is, you must first prove yourself capable... by serving as a staff officer.

>>32512192
This is wrong.

>>32519376

Bro, don't you know that 11A are just extra smart and cool infantrymen? They get to go out on patrols and get all the best schools. It's not like they spend 90 % of their time in meetings getting absolutely shit on by higher because their dumbass infantry platoon got another DUI.

Hey, dropped from 250 to 200 in the last couple months, and plan to drop to 150 soon as well. I'm a senior in high school and planning to join either army or navy.

My question is, can I go to MEPS and be guaranteed I won't get dq'd while 20 lbs over limit? By the time I ship I'd be under the max weight for sure.

I just don't want to get medically dq'd and then have it be too late to go to college in fall.

>>32512894
weak bait

>>32520516
>>32520516
If youre set on joining whats the rush? Just loose weight and when youre in regs go. You could start the process now go talk to a recruiter and let him know your intentions. In the mean time you need to decide between the 2 branches and what job you want.

>>32520613
Yeah I just dont want to get medically dq'd for something I had no idea I have then have it be too late for me to go to fall semester at a uni.

Losing the weight is no issue I just don't want to end up missing a semester if I get dq'd for anything, but to my knowledge I have nothing that can dq me.

>>32520701
>but to my knowledge I have nothing that can dq me
Chances are youre fine then. How tall are you? Cause 200 is over but not by an insane amount. All you need to do is get to a point where you can pass the tape test and youre good.

>>32520782
5'7 so I have a ways to go according to the navy's chart.

>>32520831
Right but again as soon as you can pass the tape test you can at least get the paperwork started.

>>32520956
Oh cool I'm close to passing the tape test it seems. 2% off right now.

Once I start talking to an army or navy recruiter how long does it take to get to meps and basic?

I'm not too picky about my rating or mos.

>>32521020
>I'm not too picky about my rating or mos.
Youre a HUGE FUCKING IDIOT if you think this is true. Dont ever say that shit again.
Listen to me you moron, the Rate/Mos you pick will set the course of your life/enlistment. You could absolutely hate or love your experience based on what you get. You better slam the breaks on everything i said prior to this and decide on a job and do research well before you go to a recruiter.

>>32521020
Your MOS is actually ridiculously important. if you say you aren't picky, you'll be a chef or a pint chipper for four years.

>>32521047
I mean, is there a specific MOS that will help me teach english to foreigners after I get out of the Navy or Army?

I was just going to pick whatever people tell me doesn't suck and sounds semi interesting.

>>32521113
That's research on your part. Your recruiter will try to get you to be whatever their quota needs if you say you're unsure about MOS. They're not against you, just for themselves. Talk to your recruiter and any others in the area and please don't sign anything until its what you want

>>32521113
Well you could become a linguist and learn another language. CTI in the navy, not sure what the army equivalent is.
BUT
Even if the job you pick doesnt relate to what you do after thats perfectly fine, but you should still want to do something fun/cool that youll enjoy as opposed to hating life right? If you walk in blind to a recruiter theyre gonna send you Undes in teh navy and youre gonna spend the next 4 years chipping paint and getting high on paint thinner and be stuck as an E-3 unless you strike some shitty supply rate. Do research.
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/Pages/default.aspx
Look at all the jobs on the left. Pick a few and ask questions.

>>32521181
I had no intention of choosing a shit job or letting the recruiter choose.
That website requires a log in I don't have.

>>32521219
No id doesnt you dumbass. Just click a career field on the left side like i said. And yes you did, you said
>I'm not too picky about my rating or mos
Listen recruiters are not your friend, you need to go in already knowing what you want.

>>32521348
Oh my bad, I was on mobile and the desktop site doesn't do that.

Are MC, CTI, IS, and PS difficult to get into, and do they have bad living standards in comparison to other rates?
Do people in these rates generally enjoy their jobs?

Thanks by the way.

>>32508460

Why? How will that help me to get a green card?

>>32521472
>>32521472
>MC
Gay
>PS
Gayer
CTI and IS are good. CTI is the language job which is pretty cool from what i hear with good advancement and bonuses. The school is supposedly wicked hard though.

>>32521773
Is YN decent?

>>32521838
Dude YN and PS are nearly the same. Youre a secretary. Youre gonna be handling paperwork all day. Is gay and boring and its easy so its filled with morons and low advancement and bonuses. Just tell me what youre interested in and ill recommend some shit.

what's being an officer with a CS degree like in the air force?

i'd like to code, or at least manage a small software development team

What happens if you're NUPOC and fail OCS?

>>32521020
>Not picky about MOS

Oh boy, mind numbing drudgery with no chance of getting any bonus money, aftermarket skills, or cool operating.

Idiot.

>>32522438
Not the guy but I want a comfy mos that still lets me do cool stuff
Is there such a thing in the army/marines?

>>32522545
why dont you think for yourself?

>>32522129
Most who fail OCS are people who drop on request, they'll roll you
If you fail after they roll you they'll probably separate you and make you pay back all the money they gave you, same way people who don't commission after ROTC and took scholarship money have to pay it back

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You guys know anything about transferring from Army National Guard enlisted to an ROTC program with the intention of going active duty?

>>32500858
What are the chances of the military accepting 2 medical waivers?

>>32504068
Lads I have the same problem as this guy . What do I do? Recruiter told me to do wide arm pushups because Im tall af but it doesnt seem to make a difference

>>32523660
Do pushups. If you can do a set of 5 pushups then just drop and do 5 every hour or half hour. Do this until the day you ship out.


Going from 6 pushups to passing the apft will be tough if you only have two weeks but good luck.

>>32523584
Contact a recruiter.

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>>32518086
>request for deployment

It's not 2006 anymore. Very very people are deploying, and most of those are doing FOB shit in major bases like Bagram and Kuwait.

>>32524196
5/7 parody post.

Could not having my college transcripts keep me from processing at MEPS?

>>32524229
It might fuck with your auto-promotion (IIRC college grads going enlisted auto-promote to E3 or E4). Definitely get your hands on them.

>>32524229
Nope, but you might not get any advanced rank without proof.

>>32524156

>Kuwait

Not even a real deployment anymore bro. It's basically a shitty OCONUS PCS like Korea.

>>32524196
If this isnt a troll post then join the wrestling team. Wrestling will get you where you need to be physically and it will improve your mental toughness.

>>32523584
You'll want to ask about the SMP, you'll set this up through the guard recruiter.

https://www.nationalguard.com/simultaneous-membership-program

Anyone have flight experience? What's more fun/likely to see some action, fixed wing or rotary? Looking at WOFT and Naval OCS

>>32524196
If this aint a joke,
then you're already on the right track and should keep up your work.
Keep in mind that you have plenty of years until you'll have the chance to try out for any SEAL training, and would have to go through Marine/Navy infantry training first (and do that for probably at least four years before you get the chance to go SEAL). Don't give up kiddo.

>>32524413
getting shot at = rotary
CAS = fixed wing

Obvious exceptions are Apaches/MH-60L DAP(only 160th right now) or in the Navy if you have to fly anything C/E/P. Navy rotary is also multi-mission support stuff, Marines are the ones flying the Cobra/Viper.

>>32521864
Intelligence, linguistics, and monitoring signals for a sub sound really interesting.

I think it's an officer rating but working on a C130 while it's flying or drones would be cool as fuck.

>>32524650
So is there one you would specifically recommend? Rotary sounds really fun but so does fixed wing. And with no frame of reference I can't really decide.

>>32524270
Don't believe the memes, Korea is fantastic.

>>32518086
It's possible, but individual deployers from the reserves are mostly senior NCOs and officers, not junior enlisted.

>>32521864
This is, of course unless you're a YN on a submarine, in which case your advancement rate is dramatically higher, you drive the ship as your at-sea watch station and unlike everyone else in the metal tube you get a private, lockable division space to goof off in.

Drawback? Your division consists of 3 people and your division officer and department head is the XO.

>>32524869
Really it comes down to what kind of mission set you think is more up your alley. Carrier launches vs. in-theater operations etc.

Personally I'd go for WOFT, warrant life is pretty good, and you can stay flying consistently your whole career. If you go officer and have to start picking up command positions you won't be pulling sorties all the time, but if that's your aspirations later then by all means, more opportunities. Army also has the 160th if you really want to do some hairy shit, but they train their pilots up for about 2 extra years before they are mission capable, on the other hand Navy fighter jocks get tons of poon (allegedly) and carrier stuff is a feat in itself.

My flight for benning leaves in 2 hours, how is reception? Is it really as bad as they say? And will i be able to sneak a little pt? Im not worried about the 1-1-1, but ive failed all of my pre ship 2-2-2, especially in the run

>>32525162
Reception is awful.

You're fucked.

>>32525162
you are fucked lol

>>32525195
>>32525272
Like how fucked, are they gonna put me in the pt platoon? I failed by 1 minute and 5 situps on my last one

>>32525294
You'll be fine.

Boot camp is not a big thing. Retards and fat fucks make it through all the time. Just turn off your brain and do as you're told. You'll be graduated and back to sucking dicks in no time.

>>32525087
Alright thanks for the info, I'll hit up both recruiters and get more info.

Can I concurrently seek a commission in two different branches?

Surprisingly enough, I can't find anything online which states that you can or cannot.

>>32525663
Like, applying for OCS in different branches? Yes, you can.

>>32525812

Different components of the same branch doesn't matter either? Like If I applied for both the active army and nation guard.

Any idea why they care whether you've tried to get a commission in another branch before?

>>32525850
Active/reserve accessions happen through the same recruiter, you may be able to pull it off with the NG because of the separate recruiters.

They won't care unless you were denied for some reason that they would also deny you for (medical, criminal history, etc.), if your application went to the board and they just didn't select you, you should be okay. Between the branches they generally don't talk to each other in an official capacity about this kind of thing. You are not obligated to discuss that you are pursuing a commission in other branches, but be warned if you go to MEPS and see one of your other recruiters there or a different branch rep sees you, it might get awkward.

>>32525999

What about the air guard? I'm waiting to get selected by the board at NGB and my guard recruiter has specifically told me that she only works with guard stuff.

I ask because on your application form one of the questions is whether you've ever sought a commission in the US military before.

shipping to great lakes in 33 days.

anyone going to be there with me?

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>>32526692
air force

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Which is more badass?

Navy SARC
Air Force SARC

>>32526697

Agreed

The air force is mostly run by civilians so there is a lot more corporate faggotry in it.

>>32507178
Interesting because I knew a few non citizens the Czech Republic and South Africa that were able to get in the USMC.

I guess the only way is to figure out the green card situation then you're home free. You have an accent I'm sure you can marry some naive American girl with a fat butt.

>>32507703
Dont join the Marines unless you want to do either infantry(because MEUs are cool)/recon/marsoc

Join the Army for anything else.

-muhreen.

>>32511986
Because if you are trying to join for the money you're wrong and dont belong there.

>>32526759
What's the difference between recon and intel gathering (assuming humint)?

>>32526774
No reason for him to fuck himself in the ass just because you did, my E-5 Supply friend.

>>32526797
HumInt goes around talking to people, recon skulks around or hides around in holes in the ground to get intel on enemy positions.

>>32526821
Does recon ever involve shooting?

Air Force doesn't have Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsmen

so

Navy is superior SARC

Alright boys, just got back a couple hours ago from an army recruiter.

I'm 23, just quit a job of 3 years, in good shape and scored a 65 on the practice asvab. My math is terrible.

I basically went in there, shook his hand and told him I wanted the 11x Option 40. At first, he told me to just got 11x and "aise your hand when they ask who wants to go to RASP tryouts". I saw right through his bullshit and answered "There is no guarantee i'll be able to try out for RASP if I go 11x. The Military will put you wherever they need you. I want the option 40."

He said "Son, an option 40 is like a unicorn."

I replied "I'm a magical guy."

He laughed and said he liked me, said he'd willingly waste his time and took me over to do the practice test. The english is easy, but the math portion is wonky as hell. Only having 15 minutes to do 15 math word questions is really not enough. Anyways, scored a 65 and plan on trying for 70+.

Going in tomorrow with all my paperwork and get the ball rollin'. Wish me luck lads.

>>32526806
Why would you want to join for money when you can make 3 times as much in the private sector you fucking idiot? Do you really want to be an indentured servant to the federal government for some bennies?

>>32526831
>>32526797


USMC Recon does direct action too. In afghanistan and iraq thats pretty much all they did. They're like pseudo SOF.

>>32526831
In the modern conflicts scouts are mostly used in the same way as infantry, they train for direct combat. So yeah.

>>32526840
>"I'm a magical guy."

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How demanding is Navy EOD?

I'm going to be doing it regardless, just wan't an idea on what to expect.

>>32526865
Had to think of something quick and pander to his humor to separate me from the thousand other potential recruits.

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>>32526706
You might get more straight sex in the AF.

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>>32526706
Air Force has SARC

They all chicks in their mid-30s with chips on their shoulders because they took loads of dick in their 20s.

>>32526845
Because you can be done working all together in you late 30s?

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Hiya /meg/

I don't know where else to go, and I figured /k/ would be the best place to ask/go.
How would one go about finding out the status of someone in the army?

I don't have that much information about this person, but he formed a Discord that I and a handful of others are in. He used to come on once in awhile but he hasn't be on in months.
This is some of the information we have gleaned, its not much but its all we have.

>Army
>Radio Operator
>Stationed in Carolina (maybe)
>Likes Nico from Love Live!
>Lived in Snohomish County

Is there anything we can do to further our search, or is this a fool's errand?

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>>32526840
Same guy here again

Can you guys give me any tips or strategies I can use to ensure an option 40 contract? Is it all just patience and luck? I'm nervous as all fuck right now because i'll probably end up killing myself if this doesn't work out.

I've spent all my money, I dropped out of college, I PT and then go home and stare at a wall. I have no hobbies and all my friends live in different states now. Being an Airborne Ranger is all I saw myself becoming when I was younger, but at 23, it seems far fetched. I have nothing to lose except my life which i'm ok with.

On a lighter note, my recruiter did seem to show genuine interest in my profile and I think he'll try and get me what I want. I have bad vision, but it can be corrected to 20/20 with LASEK. He told me I could get them done for free once I join up. Does that mean i'd have to wear glasses in basic and in RASP?

Thanks in advance for any advice you guys can give me.

>>32527203
facebook.
>>32526840
People usually do a bit worse in the practice ASVAB than the real thing. You need to wear glasses, no contacts. Just have to wait for a slot to open up

>>32527617
SO I have to wear glasses for basic and RASP. After that, will I be able to get my eyes corrected?

>>32527643
If you're not thrown into a training school or ramping up for deployment right away, yes.

>>32527617
He's not one to have a Facebook though, he usually posted in /r9k/...
That, and we don't even know the guy's name or what he looks like, just the screen name he used.

>>32527389
All you have to do for any option 40 contract is:
ASVAB: AFQT 50 and GT score 110
No med waivers
PUHLES 111221 or better
Eligable for secret clearance

At meps after your physical (or at your recruiters office on a later day), they will pull up a list of jobs you are eligible for. If 11x option 40 doesn't come up on the list you can beg and plead but usually there is nothing they can do about it. At that point, you can leave and come back another time to see if a slot opens, but the recruiter will probably lose patience with you and stop corresponding because the army isn't hurting for people.

I'm also 23 my goal is the same as yours. Couldn't get option 40 due to med waiver, but I did get 11x. All I can do is PT hard as I can and hope they take volunteers for rasp. If not, then it's no big deal, I'll just keep training and drop a packet for RASP or maybe SF as soon as I get the chance.

Good luck and chill out. Don't kill yourself if it doesn't work out that's retarded

whats the food like in the air force? do you get full? does it taste good? free?

I have Barretts Esophagus, a type of GERD. Should I tell the person at MEPS i'm completely healthy or be honest and downplay the seriousness? In all honesty, I can be off medication and just use TUMS to keep the acid reflux away.

>>32527969
no tums in boot camp

>>32527969
I am the official /meg/ doctor with professional medical credentials.

I hereby certify you to lie at meps.

>>32528010
I'm willing to suffer through some heartburn if it means I can be a Ranger.

>>32528014
>Fraudulent enlistment or appointment. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.

Damn... not sure about all that.

>>32527871
Yes, food is free and there is plenty of it.

>>32528875
>>32528875