Is it illegal to own or have an old school cannon? Something

No if they're black powder.

Scalia says the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to them, but originals and replicas are legal to own

Not sure about other states, but in Texas It's legal.
But it can only be loaded from the muzzle.

>>32495672
this makes me a happy boy
does it have to be an exact replica?
>>32495642
That's what I meant like a black powder smooth bore. There's a limit to how much powder you can have at once in my state so I figured it shouldn't be an issue to have a potentially functional artillery piece that isn't modern and scary

>>32495672
wait a minute, how the fuck would a cannon not be under the 2nd? that's like specifically one of the small arms the constitution would of meant

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>>32495634
Here in Czech republic, it's perfectly legal...
Without necessity of any permission (Only the barrel have to pass a pressure test in certified lab)

as a muzzleloading black powder firearm, they are not considered firearms by law
no permits, no NFA tax stamp (even though the bore is over .5"), no paperwork

only thing you might run into is explosive storage laws for the black powder, but you can have 20 or 40 pounds or something absurd before you need any special storage arangements

>>32495779
Is it true the Czech Republic is relatively gun-friendly and actually issues permits to carry?

Can you use a gun to defend yourself?

>>32495794
it's only 5 pounds of black powder in my state

What does it make it if it were rear loading instead of muzzle? I've seen videos of rear loading polygonal rifling cannons but were still black powder I don't see why those wouldn't be okay

>>32495779
nice this thread needed more artillery porn

>>32495750
He said it doesn't apply to "arms that can not be hand carried." He also specifically pointed out that certain rocket launchers could be hand carried.

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>>32495819
>...actually issues permits to carry?
>Can you use a gun to defend yourself?

Yes, the part of the firearm license here (a group E) is the statutory right to CC and use the firearm to protect life and property

>>32496054
In that case, God bless the Czech Republic.

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>>32495937
that's retarded. A cannon is literally one of the weapons available during the drafting of the constitution and BoR that the 2nd amendment could and did apply to.

1776 when?

>>32495634
Where can you find one?

>>32496938
They are also planning on getting around EU gun ban nuttery by declaring that arming citizens is a national defense issue, since the EU edicts do not apply to matters of national security or sovereignty.

>>32498372
That's fucking based.
>US-Czech takeover of the EU when

>>32498345
Just buy one new...

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=1649

>>32495672
actually he said it do, even one of the founders said they do

>>32495634
not even remotely, hell thought of buying a few, hiring a stout company of mexicans and bombarding some neighbors who pissed me off
http://steencannons.com/cannons/

They're nigh unregulated.

Once, I was on the highway, stuck behind some guys from the local Civil War reenactment society towing a cannon. The muzzle was facing straight back at me. Made me so damned uncomfortable.

>>32499076
settle down retard its not loaded

>>32499112
No shit.

>>32499076
t b h I'd probably switch lanes and go around at the nearest opportunity. that's fuckin cool though

>>32495634
>smooth bore
>muzzleloader
>black powder
Legally a musket.

>>32498372
>Best gun laws in Europe
>Best beer in Europe
>Best women in Europe

How can one country be so based?

>>32495634
It's totally legal, just as it's legal to own reproduction/original tanks (of course those usually have demilitarized guns). These pieces are not cheap, and require a dedicated person to maintain, and the know-how to actually use, and the fact that they are totally impractical, means that no laws were really ever put in place to regulate them. When was the last time you heard of some nutjob calling in a barrage on his school?

>>32499732
I heard tanks are okay, I'm more set on a tankette or protomech myself those catapiller 6 legged walker things would be cool as shit to try to deck out like a mech even if it's slow as shit

>>32499112
A FIREARM IS ALWAYS LOADED REEEEEEE

>>32495672
Scalia is answering to Kek for his blasphemies now, and the Emperor himself sits upon the throne.

I wouldn't worry about it.

>>32495634

Yeah

Remember if you fire it, the ball can bounce off a slope and travel a very far distance and cause damage

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>>32499845
Yup, I forget his name but that guy that made star forts pioneered the skipping cannon balls off the ground method in sieges iirc

>>32499791
it'd definitely ding your car up
>pic unrelated nepoleonic wars era breast plate worn by cannon fodder

>>32499732
If a tank mounted a blackpowder cannon, would it be legal?

>>32499866
I think the carraige for the cannon is also exempt, it just so happens this carriage would be motorized and armor-plated.

>>32495634
Had an old guy I worked with who had a cannon for civil war reenactments. Started out as a 4" bore, got sleeved down to golf ball size. You can break pretty thick concrete with a golf ball.

>>32499884
So black powder cannon did fire shells during the Civil war, and if I simply took a smooth bore 75mm barrel, couldn't I just have a tank where I'd have to store the propellant and shot separate?

>>32499853
the blood and viscera cleaned off nicely

http://steencannons.com/cannons

all legal to own

>>32499884
It sounds like I need to make a lot of money so I can make black powder Tankery a real sport. Olympics by 2040, you watch.

>>32499917
i think that's cause he got hit in the front and fell on his back, see all those tiny dots under the hole? i think that's blood splatter

>>32499076
Jesus i just realised the fear some people may have had when driving behind us. My dad and I towed 106mm on a mule for parades on an open air trailer

>>32495634
If space is an issue, scaled down replicas exist too. Imagine a home invader breaking in only to be broadsided by a row of desktop artillery

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>>32500322
>sitting at my desk in my Admiral's outfit
>listening to sea shanties and drinking rum with some lime (fuck scurvy)
>BOOM BOOM CRASH
>home invader
>yell "BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES, WE'RE BEING BOARDED"
>pull a string on my desk
>cannons pop out because my desk is actually a replica 18th century ship of the line
>light the fuses "GIVE THEM THE BROADSIDE!"
>boarder is eviscerated in a hail of black powder propelled grapeshot
>close the gap and finish them off with my cutlass, sending them to Davey Jones for good
>my visage when

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>>32500389
SHIVER ME TIMBERS

>>32498016

He would have been right (if he indeed made that claim). Cannons were considered "ordnance", not "arms".

I think the 2A should have been written "right to bear arms and maintain ordnance", though. You are, after all, absolutely correct, and civilian-owned ordnance both made up American artillery batteries and armed the first six frigates of the United States Navy.

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>>32500389
Fuck, now I want to install swivel guns to my desk

>>32500583
No fuckin way? Really?
Ordnance, fuckin' POG REMF

>>32500642
Fun fact, U.S. Army ordnance corp. funded the first computers creations for ballistics calculations for artillery
Wouldn't be any smart phones these days without the U.S. Army ordnance corp.

>>32500667
They should introduce artillery classes in schools, be a heck of a lot cheaper going out to some farmers field for a field trip instead of a amusement park.

Maybe even make it a sport,

>>32500389
[desire to raid yankee ships loaded down with gold intensifies]

>>32500698
Depends on the region. Having some soldiers come out and show off humvees at my school one time was pretty badass and those guys are probably retired by now they could answer my dumbest questions a kid could throw at them.
When I went to farms as a kid it was more about useful stuff like making food. The way it was presented kids would think it all obsolete due to modern manufacturing but in principle it was a good learning experience.

>>32500698

Senshadou needs to be a real sport. Artillery needs to be a sport. ELR and general riflemanship need to be mainstream sports.

I'm so mad about this shit.

>>32500667
Sorry, but you're wrong. Military computers oversaw the transition from analog, mechanical computers to digital, electronic computers, but it was simply a development in a longer series of developments.

The reason why it was military who did it comes simply down to funding. Military had the largest source at the time for computers, so they're the ones who developed it. A generation before that though, it was industry. A generation after, it's consumerism.

The developments happen where the money is, but the development from mechanical to electronic would definitely have happened otherwise, absolutely no question.

If you ever get the chance to see replica textile machinery from the Industrial Revolution, I highly recommend it. I saw some in France about ten years ago for the manufacturing of lace and embroidery, and they are fascinating, basically the first real uses of punch card computers, and extremely complicated, ingenious things.

>>32498372
>>32499698
>only one country in Europe can say it Czech's all the boxes
BUDUM TSS
Sorry

>>32500998
>who did it comes simply down to funding.
What is your point again?

>>32501034
That the military didn't actually invent computers.

>>32500389
YOHOHO/10

>>32495634
no but some states have bore diameter bullshit

>>32495634
Completely legal because they are considered an antique. If you got like 20k and want the real god-tier stuff like a 10lb parrott or 3inch ordnance look at South Bend Replicas

Depending on the barrel bore and length, you can get one on a standard shotgun licence in the UK. Otherwise, you need a firearms licence.

>>32501036
Please, quote who did?

>>32499979
that could actually work too since cannon rounds won't actually damage the tank too much. We just need to find cannons that fit the turrets of our vintage tanks and we're good

>>32501320
It's a convoluted answer (let's say Charles Babbage) but it doesn't actually matter; they existed before the military started developing them, therefore the military can't have invented them.

>>32501428
cool story bro

>>32501428
Oh I get it, al gore right?

>>32498016
>>32500583
they can make up for no cannons by giving us China Lake GLs. thats always been my dream to get one.

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>>32495937
He never said WHOSE hands, desu

>>32499732
>When was the last time you heard of some nutjob calling in a barrage on his school?
Grozny, 1999 :^)
>>32500389
>tfw will never defend my home from filthy saracens with a puckle gun, complete with rectangular bullets

>>32495634
>Is it illegal to own or have an old school cannon?
Afaik:
-Anything muzzle loading is OK (not a firearm)
-Anything breech loading without single piece munition is OK (not a firearm)
-Anything breech loading with single piece ammo made before 1898 are OK (excempt from ATF law and such), as are direct replica's

Can anybody tell me if that makes a D-25 tank gun (used in the IS-2) good to go as well?

>>32499791
Muzzle loading cannons aren't considered firearms though.

>>32500883
I agree anon, I agree.