Middle east general / Syria war

first for Greater Israel

Will ISIS make anime real?

this war is ded, time to move on

>>32482837
Lol. Babbys first war. On topic, anyone got the current situation around Palmyra?

Fifth for Turkey reclaiming more rightful clay

>>32482566

Context. I need context. Pliz.

>>32482929
I second this, I'd love to know more about the siege of T4

>>32483048
Sharifah has been retaken by the regime.

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>>32482679
I dont think sharia allows it

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Ruskie operators wearing Hezbollah patches

https://twitter.com/MH17_RUS/status/814844179461378048

>>32483649
looks like they are embedded and not just showing up after the dirty work has been done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZpzwAD6Mpg

check the channel for more vids of them
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx-peLXquPWW8Jpr6sdOX1w

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>>32483649
What a shame it would be if they were to get too close to a Hezbollah weapons transfer....

Is anyone else a bit concerned about how much influence Iran is gaining? It's been bad enough with the Saudi's but now we're gonna have double the amount of mercs/terrorists and endless fighting in the region because of it, only fueling the flight to the west.

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>>32483710
What a shame if some unknown plane will be shot down on Syrian territory...

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>>32484397
What a shame it'd be if all those SANs exploded all at the same time for unknown reasons...

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>>32484488
What a shame that all AA sites are integrated into single network and ancient HARM missiles are kinda not working against it, unless they are spammed. Ans something tells me that Israel is not really eager to start a war to protect some puppet "democratic" sandmonkeys.

>>32484574
It'd be a shame if that network was jammed so it couldn't communicate...

>>32484634
>Israel
>capability to jam modern AA systems
sure

It's been a pretty slow day at T4 however IS released some footage from T4 like a hit with a fagot ATGM but it's unclear what they hit.
IS ATGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KyM2sAh9kg

and SAA footage from near Sharifah village/T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7NXznSezxc

Other than that most post ceasefire combat has been in eastern Ghouta , WadiBarada pocket Damascus, Al Bab , minor clashes in Hama and southern Aleppo.

>>32484883
When I say it's unclear what IS hit I mean the type of tank. Clearly a tank got hit.

>>32484488

why wouldn't they just use cruise missiles instead of active anti radar ones?

>>32484883

it has a relatively small turret and very long and flat chasis, T-72 version maybe?

>>32485090
It probably was a T-72. The SAA brought in a large amount of tanks to clear out the outskirts of T4. IS brought a lot ATGMs.

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>>32483649
>wears a Hezbollah patch AND an Infidel patch
madmen

>>32485145
Not to mention the MLG patch

>>32483754
laughing_Obama.jpg

>>32485145
>American name in Cyrillic on patch
???

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>>32485509
Presumably his callsign
Same tape on this guy in Aleppo
Probably the same unit

>>32484659
>forgetting the capabilities of the IDF

That's something Syria did a few times before, didn't workout well for them.

Also,
>russian airdefense being good meme

stop, stop that right now

>>32485533
His gear looks oddly western too.

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>>32485548
Russian SOF use copies of western gear

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>>32485509
>>32485145
slavs gonna slav coming from a slav

>>32485562
Gotcha, shame we don't sell to them directly atm.

>>32485548
It's like Russian gear is crap or something, and anyone who has a choice gets better stuff.

Think of it this way: If we still issued PASGT vests and ALICE belts, would SOF who had a choice still wear them?

>>32485534
>what is Yom Kippur War
Last time when IDF tried to play heroes against modern russian AA they lost like half of their "invincible" air forces, regardless of fighting against arab monkeys. I'm not sure if they want to repeat that experience.

>>32485582
>It's like Russian gear is crap or something, and anyone who has a choice gets better stuff.

I think the rule of cool plays a huge role as well here. Since these guys are elite and can use whatever, of course they want to show of their status by wearing fancy stuff that other units can't have.

>>32485596
>what is operation Mole Cricket 19

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>>32485600
>the rule of cool
a big part of it is this. Just like mudslime commanders wear the obscurest camo there is to stand out

>>32485596

>Forgetting about Operation Orchard

Or September this year: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-syria-idUSKCN11J0EY

>>32485600
Yeah, somewhat, like an EOTech versus a Kobra, but like the helmets? Dear god Russian helmets suck. They now get ones that are actually comfortable, better built and allow you to wear hearing protection/comms.

>>32485621
Arent Sfera helms coming with the best protection there is though?

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>>32485619
>that RealTree

>>32485613
>butthurt IDF heroically destroyed rusted 10 y/o leftovers from previous war
sure

>>32485645
They trade extra protection for the complete inability to use headset hearing protection.

>>32485663
Oh look, cognitive dissonance.

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Al Kiswah just returned to Assads rule. They accepted the reconciliation deal and surrendered and some even joined the NDF.

>>32485695
Oh look, JIDF excuses.

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>>32485712
Talking about pockets, where are the troops from Aleppo going next or are they going to stay and retake Idlib?

>>32485747
I assume the majority prepares for an attack on Idlib (there was an iranian attack earlier today to probe the defenses at one area) and rumors are hisbollah prepares for this as well (remember the pics of these many tanks they drove north?

Tiger forces and some other units will go (and some are already there) to T4.

>>32485747
Cleaning green pockets most probably. I think Eastern Ghouta is next.

>>32485809
I do hope its those pesky pockets freeing up manpower and some breathing room. If it triggers my autism as a civie observer cant imagine how it feels for the higher ups having them there since what 2012?

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>>32485596
>>32485663
The Kub in early 1980s was pretty damn capable, and could easily pose an issue for any fighter of the time period. To say nothing of the huge numbers of AA pieces Syria had deployed, in addition to their air force which included MiG-23s.
The Syrians got outplayed on the home field. Nothing wrong with their equipment. For the part of the Israelis, there are few countries that have as much experience in SEAD. They were knocking out S-125s during the 60s, and launch deep interdiction operations across the region all the time.

>>32485809
Isn't Ghouta part of the ceasefire?


My bet is that they will use a real big and/or capable force to capture that area northwest of damascus where the water supply is which the rebels there have apparently cut. This is something the SAA can not ignore since its both, an insult as well as a sign of weakness of the government that gets bigger every day the citizens of damascus are without water (which is terrible enough since there are 4-6 million people without water right now). They need to capture that pocket asap.

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>>32485509

RODZER

>>32484659
Their shenanigans in the past and the present more than just suggest that. That, and much beyond.

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>>32483710
>>32484397
>>32484488
>>32484574
>>32484634
*ding ding ding*

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>>32485548
>Russian special-operations forces typically serve high-intensity operational deployments of a few months, a rotation schedule that is modeled on the U.S. military’s elite special-operations teams. The Russians have closely studied the American experience as part of a multibillion-dollar military modernization project that began earlier in the decade.

>In 2012, Gen. Nikolai Makarov, then chief of the Russian General Staff, traveled to U.S. Special Operations Command headquarters in Florida to meet with military officials, according to the State Department.

>The trip was meant to download Americans’ experience with special forces to help Russia create a similar force, an official close to the U.S. military said.

>“From the helmets to the kit, they look almost identical,” the official said.

>Mr. Bukkvoll said the forces in Syria are likely comprised of three groups, including the special forces unit of Russia’s military intelligence; another special-operations unit along the lines of the U.S. Army’s Delta Force; and a unit called zaslon, or “screen,” which gives protection to civilian leaders and diplomatic installations.

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ceasefire rump

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>>32483754

>>32483754
you realize saudi's and iranians dont exactly get along.

personally I'd rather iran was more powerful than the saudi's they seem more bro tier now that ahmedinejad has been voted out.

they at least let women drive in Iran. both are a human rights shithole but iran is slightly better for now.

>>32489434
>you realize saudi's and iranians dont exactly get along
That was my point, the proxy fighting is just going to get worse with Iran gaining a foothold in Syria/Iraq, no thanks to Obama either for taking the leash off them while throwing them billions in cash.

>>32486880
Fucking rad

We need more US/RUS SOF operating togather against terrorists

>>32485145
>wears a Hezbollah patch AND an Infidel patch
the best of both worlds

>>32482958
https://twitter.com/jamilnousran

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>>32486880
Sweet, there's a small album of the stuff here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/92858009@N04/sets/72157632947301641/
The guy who had uploaded it also has an "Alien photos and aborted alien-human hybrid fetus" album. I guess US-RU military cooperation is that bizarre.

>>32491451

Hezbollah are scum, as are all Shia

Not as bad as Sunnis, but still shit

The ME is a collection of the worst groups of people ever. At least Africa and South America have an excuse in that the people are retarded.

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>>32492085

>>32489434
Iran has a lot of potential for improvement. US sided with Saud when evil puppet Shah got ousted, since Saudis are bribable and have dat oil.

Tehran is highly developed, they let women drive and have careers and government positions, and have elections, and recently guaranteed the government's support and fellowship with Iranian Jews while continuing to condemn Zionism.

(Obviously "Remove Isnotrael w/ Fire" is a negative, but Shlomo Sand and other prominent Jewish intellectuals both today and historically have been vocally anti-Zionist or at least support a united Israel/Palestine where the regional Arab majority enjoys full citizenship and representation in a secular republic.)

Nuke deal is good. No need for nukes if we can deal in good faith without sabre-rattling. Need to get tacit accord like with Egypt where the parties agree to peacefully hate one another so they can focus on fighting Wahhabi jihad.

Ayatollah/Islamic republic obv shit tier institution, but at this point the human rights situation and theocratic oppression are just a way to keep Islamist crazies in line. Further development, improved standards of living, and Western influence should weaken radical elements.

Saudi otoh is a fukken monarchy/oilarchy and the lodestone of Wahabbism. They take foreign trade and aide with one hand and fund terrorist with the other. Hundreds of beheadings and crackdowns just to keep their crazies from going apeshit.

>>32490060
That arms deal made me shit a brick. It closed right after undeniable evidence that the Saudis bomb civilians.

>>32492151
Basically this. Iran seems the most sane among all the middle eastern countries, despite being a Theocracy.

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>>32489149
Based Skanderberg still got em fearin.

>>32492173
Jordan is actually pretty chill too. Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy w/some political and speech repression. They hate terrorists.

>>32492085
>Implying people in the ME arent retarded

>>32492241
The sand gets into their brains and clogs shit up.

Reports several rebel groups have said the ceasefire is off if the isolated clashes that are still happening don't stop. Not heard which rebel groups they are so it could be nothing.

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https://twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/814920382117511168

>>32492173
>>32492151
This delusional Iranian apologism is a product of /pol/-tier Jew hating and regular anti-Zionism, and muh Zoroastrians muh Shia mysticism. Iran is the Islamic Republic the same way ISIS is the Islamic State, it defines itself by a government, governing philisophy, and entire conception of world order incompatible with that of most of the rest of the world. Iranian antagonism toward the west is not a result of the Shahdom and playing nice and apologizing to them is not going to make them stop viewing us as a mortal enemy. Iran is exporting jihadism and an extremely effective network of bringing it about; they are doing it just as KSA is doing it and they are doimg a better job. The hypocrisy of KSA and the Gulf States, by which I mean their decadent lifestyles and puritanicalvofficial ideologies, is despised by the Iranians as much as it is by you and I. I despise KSA and wish we woulf stop pussyfooting around with them, but acquiescing to Iranian conquest and terror is no alternative. We can deal with them as rational actors and can certainly have wiser relations than we currently do but do not confuse that for the possibility of friendship, which is impossible without a major change of direction in Iran's behavior as an international player.

>>32482566
Thats fake islam forbids anime

>>32493067
only if you are a fundamentalist scum

I don't know if this has been posted but a IS sniper video from a couple days ago. I guess most of from Mosul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5fLMu_XSsI

As far as today about the same as yesterday with conflict areas in eastern Gouta and Wadi Barada. Turkish FSA/Turks took a village from IS near Al Bab plus Daraa and southern front vs SAA as well. I always thought Assad would take the time to focus on the southern front post Aleppo but no one here listens to me and keeps insisting Idlib is the nest major offensive. They may be right but there are signs to me Assad is more concerned with dealing with Daara while things are quiet in Aleppo.

Without JAI and Al Sham in the ceasefire it's going end quickly anyway.

>>32493239
How they hell are they able to operate tanks in Mosul with all that air cover?

>>32492151
>>32492173
Lol I hate Saudi Arabia with a deep passion, but this is apologetic bullshit.

Iran is a theocratic shithole with one partially westernizing city.

>>32485145
Does anyone know what style/model upper body rig he's wearing?

>>32493279
Same reason they are able to do that in Palmyra and Al-Bab.

No one actually wants to end this war soon.

>>32493239
>https://twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/814920382117511168

Why not just level the city. It's pretty clear most of the inhabitants are pro-ISIS and therefore fair game.

>>32493382
Why did you post a Russian military calendar?

In a way Mosul could similar to the now won Aleppo city however it took waves of Shia cannon bait to wear down the defenders and much the same thing in Mosul. The US can keep sending the Iraq army in as the bait. It's be real ugly as seen in the video I posted which btw some of it is in Deir Ezzor and old footage from the IS sniper montages.

>>32492247
actually its their practice of inbreeding, not even joking, not even /pol/ shit. Google it, it's in their culture, nytimes article, widespread for centuries. 50-70% of people in Saudia Arabia alone.

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>>32493625
Thats true. Coming from /pol/ or elsewhere doesnt make it false. Inbreeding lowers IQ. Now combine with the fact that this practice has been going on for centuries and in result you get the Middle east. The whole region is disgusting

>>32493309
It looks like a fishing vest.

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>>32493382
>destroy the homes of 2million people, displace them, ruin one of your nations major economic hubs, and destroy a historic city, all because there are about 3k ragheads with aks holed up in it

why do you edge lords continue to post if you have nothing intelligent to contribute?

>>32493239
mosul is such a meatgrinder

btw aren't most teenagers in mosul forced/brainwashed to join the ranks of isis? Isn't the "5000 fighters" number present in mosul grossly underestimated?

>>32489149
>>32483319

these threads need more memri tv

>>32483649
>GRU operators

fixed

>>32485548

made in Russia :)))

http://www.classcom.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=6&Itemid=10&lang=ru

>>32485621

>Dear god Russian helmets suck.

LOL

>>32494081
they are. IS tactics have been to give young people lots of power. There were some leaked emails in an aljazeera article a while back that told tales of older men and women being beaten, taxed and humiliated for minor infractions by 20 somethings. Giving power to kids and telling them that they have a right to be a dickbag has always been a good way to get a reckless and motivated army.

Breaking pro rebel sources claim SAA attackes on Wadi Barada valley have stopped at this time.
https://twitter.com/oabozayd/status/815257034010619906

Turns out holding strategic infrastructure like water gives you some bargaining power.

>>32494441
I wonder if russia would be better off building a water pipeline than dropping bombs.

>>32494194
No, SSO is a separate entity now that is comparable to SOCOM
Units that were previously under GRU command are now under SSO which caused some controversy

>>32494605
So the army doesn't have their own SF group anymore?

>>32494633
GRU still has some of its own units, but these guys are from Senezh, which was transferred to SSO

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>>32482666

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wat do against IS child soldiers?

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>>32494964

>>32494441
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/815292881623777281

Breaking on the last breaking with one pro rebel source claiming not only is fighting ongoing or started again in Wadi Barada but rebels are shelling Fua which is breaking two ceasefires but i digress. For a brief moment i thought they were working on holding the ceasefire intact. What a crazy ceasefire it's been.

>>32495216
hasn't fua been evacuated by now? I thought the iranians were pushing for it

>>32495031

His unibrow was too thick to let him live or something?

>>32492956
B-but Obama said US and Iran are friends now!!

>>32485034
>why wouldn't they just use cruise missiles instead of active anti radar ones?

HARM is more reliable and less expensive. First goal is kill the radar so you'll have an easier time with the equipment and control vehicles. They typically get a cluster munition bath because most efficient.

>>32493551
So much for keeping ammo clean!

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>>32495259
During the Aleppo surrender the Syrian government managed to include some Fua residents to be allowed to leave in exchange for the mass rebel movement out of eastern Aleppo but it's still a pocket in the middle of Idlib. Pro SAA sources and pro rebel think it will be the target of the next SAA offensive but I thought the SAA will focus in Daara against the inactive southern front. I thought Assad and his backers were secure with Idlib as is with Turkey to push a ceasefire etc but as we see this ceasefire is hanging on a thread. With no ceasefire southern Aleppo and Idlib are back on the table but than we hit the great SAA question. How can they focus on another major offensive without putting another front in danger like they did in Palmyra?

We'll see , pic is New Year gunfire in Damascus from government troops. On that note i'll check again when actual updates come post new year.

>>32496466
I wonder if they know that those rounds have to come down.

>>32496511
Same as everything else
>What will happen is Allah's will, we should not worry about such matters

https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Shooting at Istanbul nightclub by two men dressed like Santa with AKs.

Ho-Ho-Hajji-jihad judging from hearing that one said allau snakbar praise ISIS

>>32496776
Who has been a bad boy?

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>>32493239
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5fLMu_XSsI
>7:05
Okay, who's coalition soldier was this?

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>>32494964
Ya just don't lead em' as much, ya dingus.

>>32497173
Specify, otherwise you just sound like some conspiracy nutter.

FYI, there are the rare blonde, and ginger arabs. Overseas we referred to them as "SF babies", ours or the soviets.

One of the terps attached to another unit was as ginger as you can find, dude was an Iraqi.

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>>32497173
Lookin pretty damn slav to me, even if the shoes dont exactly match. Russians fighting alongside the iraqs in mosul just sounds a little too crazy though.

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>>32497820
>>32498609
Did some digging
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%93_Iraq
The Multi-National Force Iraq was set up in 2003 by the US and friends during the invasion, and closed down in 2009. No western group wears that patch anymore
The dead soldier in the pic might have been Golden Division

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pic is russians rolling through aleppo from Nayrab airbase. Are these guys eod like they had in palmyra?

>>32500226

There's no way the Rooskies didn't do much of the fighting in Aleppo.

SAA doesn't just become competent overnight.

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>>32500226

>>32500937
Thats a pretty big number, isn't it?

>>32496511
The angle is too great so they will come down with terminal velocity after the rounds expends all their kinetic energy no damage at all

>>32501351
Arab, European, Asian, American and Australian and many other nationalities of fighters fighting with ISIS, Fath al-Sham Front (al-Nusra Front previously), Junoud al-Sham battalion, Jund Al-Aqsa battalion, Jund al-Sham organization, al-Khadra’a Battalion, the Islamic Turkestan Party, Junud al-Sham al-Shishan and the Islamic movements: 13297

Syrian fighters who oppose the regime: 8130

This is from the SOHR. Only discloses fatalities not who killed them. That number is pretty much these two added together.

>>32501474
>.30 caliber rounds reach terminal velocities of 90 m/s (300 feet per second or 204 miles per hour). A bullet traveling at only 61 m/s (200 feet per second) to 100 m/s (330 feet per second) can penetrate human skin.

>>32501474
>>32501622
also: it typically kills people when it goes in from the top of the shoulder into the heart

>>32501497
I can understand calling them Australian for the purpose of statistics, but technically they aren't once they get to middle east. Any Australian who leaves to fight with a non state army in the middle east will have their citizenship and passport revoked. It's the governments way of telling them to not come back.

How is the war going? Wrapping up in favor of Assad and Russia, I presume?

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>>32500523
putinik element among hezbollah?

>>32501927
>Wrapping up
Hell no, even if we only talk about combat operations against standing opposition that holds ground there's still a long way to go. And that ignores the inevitable insurgency that's likely to follow any notional 'victory' of retaking all clay.
>in favor of Assad and Russia
They certainly have the momentum against the rebels and the greater balance of power overall at present, although if they lose T4 to IS that would be a major setback. Turkeys increasing occupation of northern Syria is however a massive problem for Assad, doubly so because the Russians give no fucks where exactly that northern border line is drawn and have no interest getting involved in a fight with the Turks over something they don't see as a direct threat to their goals.

Do you think there is some VX below T4?

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>>32492151
You quite clearly have no idea what you're talking about

>>32501497
>13297

Absolute bollocks

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Here's the situation guys

This is now /southsudan/ thread

>>32502115
Inshallah

>>32502115
Im sure the fighting there is crazy, but the reason the middle east is so fun to watch is the educated populace that has access to social media and gopros.

>>32502115
What is the situation over there right now? Who is red, green and blue-white?

>>32483319

the next Islamic schism will be over anime, bookmark this post it will happen

>>32503044
>What is the situation over there right now?
Rape.

>>32492173
Jordan
They also still have some bong hand me downs and were some of the only mudslimes to heed the lessons the western powers tried to impress of them

>>32494964
Use napalm

>>32492173
I've heard that Kuwait is basically desert New Jersey

>>32500226
Idk why russians in the middle east gives me big bf: bad company 1 vibes

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>>32483649
Seems pretty common for SOF to wear the patches of the group they're operating alongside; some US troops working with the Kurds had Women's Protection Units patches during the Mosul operation.

>>32483710
John McCain pls go

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>>32485562
>>32485567

And some genuine western gear.

>http://spioenkop.blogspot. (.co.uk) /2015/10/british-accuracy-international-awm.html

(if they're supplying them to the SAA I assume they use them themselves).

>>32503044
>>32502115

blue/white is Dispute between Sudan and South Sudan (Under Sudan's control)

Red is South Sudan's Gov't

Green is Sudan People's Liberation Movement-in-Opposition (Not Islamist. Don't know what they are)

>>32485874

I remeber reading that the Syrians had put their radars down in the valley instead of on a hill because they didn't want the hastle of digging toilets that high up.

The Syrian Army was helping the IAF as much as it could.

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>>32502115
Nah, if the Syrian War wounds down and if we go to Africa, it wont be about Southern Sudan, but Congo. If things go down the way of the last months, we might have finally the Third Congo War to celebrate

>super corrupt, completely incompetent leadership, that only survives due to lots of UN soldiers, foreign african military support and endless UN monies
>term of the President ended two weeks ago, he refused to hold new elections
>gunned down anti-government protests, killing scores
>militias building up in the far away provinces
>Katanga, the province that tried to secede at independence and where all the white mercenary fun happened back then, is also home of one the main opposition candidates
>Burundi in quasi civil war and with rebels obviously acting from across the border threatening to send the army there
>Rwanda and Uganda contemplating how [relatively] professional their armed forces are and how much it sucked to do just AU peacekeeping all the time; while looking at all the clay they had conquered during the two Congo Wars that should rightfully be theirs
>Paul Kagama coming into the years, still haunted by the dream of Greater Rwanda, the beautiful bastard child of South Rhodesia and Biafra
>UN and African Union and the rest of the international bodies active in central africa, all desperately trying to calm the situation down, because we all know how fast things tend to turn very ugly in Congo

Rebel ATGM videos have been crawling to a halt.

Ceasefire?

Will Syria get the Lebanon deal with a cut up country?

>>32485619
>Adolf meets a pair of bears at the macumba gay club

>>32506366
>Ceasefire?
Yes, in Idlib prov. where the TOW videos mostly come from, afaik.

>Will Syria get the Lebanon deal with a cut up country?
0% probability of this happening. The gov't is in too good of a position to just leave the FSA like a tumor.

>>32505744
Mostly just thinly-veiled ethnic infighting like most African 'liberation movements'

>>32505813
This is one story, but in the course of the battle largely irrelevant because of the sheer numbers of SAMs and radars the Syrians deployed giving them overlapping coverage of every possible approach vector.

Their primary sin was setting their SAMs up and then leaving them in position indefinitely. Literally for months the Israelis scouted their locations and when the operation began the Syrians tried to fight instead of re-positioning. Hence the Syrians wasted the most valuable part of mobile SAMs, mobility, and in return got utterly destroyed. They committed this sin because they thought any air strike on them would go like the Yom Kippur war, and that the Israeli's had not developed any means of countering SAM systems. TL:DR they were wrong and lost their SAMs and most of their airforce to-boot.

>>32484397
>>32484574
The Russians and the Syrians are committing the exact same cardinal sin right now. They simply don't believe that a major air strike on them will happen, and that hubris makes the chances of success by the Israeli's or whoever else it is much higher than it should be. Simply put, the AA systems from the Syrian government are there for show and will not be used in the immediate future. Hell look at the multiple air defense batteries around T4 which are glorified pillboxes. Look at the S-400 system which has sat in the same location at the same airbase for at least 3 months now.

>>32505867
Things seem to be heating up over there.

>>32503044
Red and Green is for folks who think Syria isn't sufficiently tribal. There were reports of literal raids into Ethiopia to steel women and cattle.

>>32502115
Personally I am with >>32505867
Hopping for ISIS to move to Central African Republic in the next year. There is some Muslims there, plus the whole area is one big tribal war. And it's in middle of Africa so no one will give a shit and if west does intervene they will pull out the moment heads start rolling along with any AU troops. ISIS building an empire in Central Africa would be glorious.

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>>32506966
I remember reading a book about the Rwandan genocide, from the view of the perpetrators. Groups of men were hunting down fleeing tutsis in a forest with machetes and guns. Indiscriminately murdering fleeing people as they went. But one day they spotted some UN trucks driving through the forest while they were hunting fleeing people, and they immediately ran back to their camps shouting 'the whites are comming'. They threw down the guns and machetes and took off back through the forest in fear.

The UN trucks drove through the forest without stopping. They realised a few days later that the trucks had not stopped at all, and were not comming for them, but drove through and were miles away. So they picked their machetes back up and went back to business.
Because of this action: tens, hundreds maybe even thousands of lives were saved as it allowed the people running to get a head start and flee to safety, and alert other villages of the militias that were comming to kill them.

Heart warming is it? Really changes one's perspective on military intervention for humanitarian causes. The fleeing tutsis later banded together and formed their own miltia, turned around, then indiscriminately massacred any hutus that they came across. Hmm.. Well maybe I don't have a point after all

>>32505867
Ho man
>New wars break out
>Millions flee the fighting
>EVEN MORE MIGRANTS HEADED STRAIGHT FOR EUROPE
Either Europe will die or completely flip shit and save themselves.

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>Jaysh al-Islam published an infographic with stats showing the amount of forces of the Syrian government that their group had killed in Syria during the year 2016 with a total of 1659.

>>32508683
Damn.

How do you guys think Trump will handle Afghanistan? I could see either a complete pullout or another surge depending on how quickly things deteriorate there.

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>>32508683
The Rwandan Genocide may be the one single exception of an african shitshow, where I think the west should have intervened in some way. Some stuff you read about it is just heart-breaking brutal and it could have been stopped at very little coast.
Besides, the Tutsis are based and they would have deserved it.

>The fleeing tutsis later banded together and formed their own miltia, turned around, then indiscriminately massacred any hutus that they came across.
That happened only later in Congo. The Tutsis took over the country relatively bloodless and once the First Congo War startet, invaded and ended the Hutu refugee camps and brought all of them safely back.
It was only the Hutus who remained in Congo, who were considered as genocidaires and remorselessly hunted down together with all Hutu civilians around and every congolese who aided them (the tutsis regard the congolese as a sort of african undermensch)

>>32509920
There will always be chaos in central africa and the UN policy just drags it all out without any end in sight.
It would be better to just let a Congo War run its course, break up the artificial congolese state in several single new nations (all of them a bit more ethnical and tribal homogen, all with still more then enough natural ressources and everyone would be more centralized then right now), while letting comparatively more successful african nations like Rwanda, Uganda or Angola grow by allowing them to take over mineral-rich border areas.
I mean, its still no guarantee for stability, just look at how South Sudan turned out, but way better then what we have now.

>>32510660
Noone knows. His foreign policy is a complete mystery and most of his statements, especially regarding the middle east made very little sense or are directly contradicting
>iran is the single most dangerous evil in the ME and we have to stop them by helping them win the syrian war and become the dominant power
>we shouldnt be involved in the ME anymore and let the locals fight their own wars, but Obama did nothing against ISIS and aistrikes alone is not enough against them
>ME governments should not dictate in any way or form our policy... well, apart from Israel or Saudi Arabia

Its the same with Afghanistan. He probably realized that its a failed war either way and that the US shoud withdraw from there, but it would directly lead to a Taliban takeover and that would hurt his image a lot.
He probably will continue the same policies of the Obama administration (same in iraq/syria with airstrikes plus some small SF on the ground against ISIS)

>>32511190
>allowing Angola to grow
Full retard detected.

>>32510660
Trump is irrelevant, Pence publicly prefers a perpetual occupation in Afghanistan to withdrawal.

>>32511672
Pence sucks Trump's dick.

>>32486880
> special forces unit of Russia’s military intelligence
GRU Spetsnaz
> special-operations unit along the lines of the U.S. Army’s Delta Force
? who are these?
> zaslon
is Zaslon

>>32509920
its just colonialism catching up with you guys

Slow and dull updates. Main ground changes have happened in northern Raqqa where the SDF/YPG took two more villages from IS and reported advances into eastern Ghouta by the SAA. T4 is generally unchanged other than conflicting claims on Sharifah. I have read everything from the SAA controls the village, the SAA controls the hills around the village(likely) to IS controls the village(maybe) and even split control over the village where IS controls one side and the SAA the other. Who knew this tiny village would become the flashpoint of the entire T4 battle?

The SAA/Hezbollah has made little of any advances on Wadi Barada valley and it's water source. Out gunned rebels seem to be using the terrain to their advantage and if you think terrain doesn't matter just look at the northern Homs pocket. I rarely talk about the northern Homs pocket. The SAA has never been able to crack it even after the Russians supported a massive offensive there in the beginning of their entry in the war. It's a fortress of hills and villages mutually supporting each other. That said rebels are hopelessly outgunned in this valley, unlike northern Homs where they are well armed, they can't last forever.

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>>32513005
SDF advances in northern Raqqa

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>>32513005
Pro SAA militia reinforcements at T4. T4 battle going as advertised. After more than two weeks of fighting the SAA continues to pour more men into the base/outskirts . IS keep's up pressure for their part.

>>32504582
Jordan's king is almost entirely reliant on Western subsidies for survival, it's no real democracy and he crushed dissent like every generic dictator. His only pro is that he ins't a burka-tier jihadi, largely because his mother is British.

>>32502115
makes Syria look orderly and humane

>>32513042
ISIS is defending well in the Jabar area.
They know that if the kurds advance there, all hope is lost for their men at Aleppo.

>>32513005
what do you think will be the outcome of Syria with the new truce ?
Syria will be the new Cyprus, with the north part conquered by Turkey, the east by Kurds and the rest to the gvt ?
Or is it still too early to make predictions ?

>>32505867
fun fact: the current president´s father (who used to be president) was trained by Che Guevara, who left shortly after arriving because of how incompetent and corrupt they were.

>>32508683
Really recommend David van Reybrouck's Congo: the epic history of a people if you want to learn about how the Congo got as fucked as it is today

>>32492173
>Iran seems the most sane among all the middle eastern countries
This amount of delusion with regards to Iran, solely on the basis of its opposition to Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US, never ceases to amaze.
During the Cold War, people used the phrase "speaking about the USSR as a way of speaking about the USA". Something similar happens on the far-left and far-right with regards to Iran.
Don't let your memes get away from you. If you don't like Israel, or you don't like the Saudis, that's fine. But try not to whitewash a repressive theocratic dictatorship intent on metastasizing regional governments and neck-deep in state-funding both Sunni and Shia terror groups.

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>>32505867
>>32508683
>>32511190
Y'all niggas need to read Dancing in the Glory of Monsters if you haven't already. Gives a rundown on the 1st and 2nd Congo Wars and the background to it while containing interviews from a fuckload of people involved. Some absolutely crazy stories from both wars, and a lot of surprising military achievements, mostly from the Rwandans
>Blitzkrieging the Congo on foot in a month's time in the 1st War
>Insane airlift operation to kick off the 2nd (and even crazier escape and evasion in the aftermath)
>When their Ugandan allies start shit in Kisangani, the Rwandans push their shit in despite the Ugandans having armored support
The book doesn't always cover exclusively war/battle material, but its a fascinating read and I highly recommend it for anyone trying to make any sense of the shit that goes down in the Congo these days.

>>32513148
What is IS trying to achieve? I don't see T4 being lost, so its just a meatgrinder at this point. Attacking the most fortified position in a large area instead of going for the low hanging fruit

>>32516405
>I don't see T4 being lost
The number of times that's been said, followed a few hours later by the news the location has been taken, it's worth a try for IS.
Of course there's much greater Russian involvement on the ground so there's less chance of the defenders all turning and running as has happened multiple times elsewhere, but it's still worth the effort of trying to push through. Taking the base would be the biggest blow they could inflict on SAA/Russia in every way possible and frankly a big win is desperately needed for them.

>instead of going for the low hanging fruit
Where else are they in a position to threaten such a valuable location? Genuine question really, because as I see it they've thrown their resources into the only spot they had an opening, if they pull back from T4 there's nowhere else right now to put those men into another offensive, if there was somewhere else they had an opening they would have pushed it before Palmyra/T4 happened. Sure if somewhere else saw a SAA position collapse and open up a chance to advance further it could make sense to leave T4 and send everything there instead, but it seems right now everywhere else the best IS can manage is daily swaps of the same couple of villages, and mostly they're just doing well at losing slowly where they're coming under any real pressure in Syria.

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RIP
a Brit who fought for the Kurds

https://twitter.com/Dr_Partizan/status/816008346893516806

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>>32517332
>syrian doggo
does this mean the ATF will get involved? pic related its the ATF failing to accomplish its mission

>>32509920
Yeah no. There is a whole Sahara between EU and Congo and there are a few African states that are not going to be as welcoming as Turkey, plus I don't think millions of Congolese can afford few thousand dollars needed for the trip.

Congo isn't dangerous in terms of refuges, if shit does go down they will mostly go to neighboring African states. Now, west Africa, Nigeria and the lot, that could be a problem. But again, there are muslim niggers that think they are Arab and make up for the black skin with 200% Arab racism between EU and any refugees.

>>32513674
The truce is smoked. Everyone knows it. The Idlib rebels who matter didn't sign it. Idlib is the rebel center of gravity barring Fua and it's JFS(Al Qaeda) territory to boot. Turkey controls northern Aleppo FSA and assorted Islamist groups. They are going to attack the YPG after Al Bab. Lucky for the YPG IS isn't going give Al Bab away for free. Where the SAA fits in all this mess is a good question. That's the only area where this ceasefire has any meaning. The rest of the fronts are going to re start be it from a SAA offensive or a rebel one. It's only a matter of time. Right now SAA and allies are fine with shrinking eastern Ghouta and retaking the water spring pocket. The ball is in the non IS, non Turkey rebels court.

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>>32515303

>>32516815
I think this was the guy who got shot in the face whose body was posted online

>>32518159
>The Sahara
Very good point, and though it will deter many from making the journey, there are still many people from Nigeria, Mali and Gambia in Europe right now, so the Human Smuggling mobs might yet still have a market to pick from
But even then it's not a good situation. A large war or a set of small wars will still reverse a lot of the economic/medical/educational progress Western governments and charities have established in the region. It will bring an even greater humanitarian crisis, the much of the world cant afford to relieve right now.
Perhaps this will be China's opportunity to play superman in Africa? They already have some troops under the UN in Africa. Perhaps this is what they'll dedicate their 2nd Aircraft Carrier group to when it's built.

>>32520681
Very interesting, bumping the thread being awake at a weird time heavy fighting is reported in the vicinity of T4 right now. We should see the results of this latest fighting or at least some of the loses on both sides by day's end.

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>>32513674
>Syria will remain a frozen conflict forever

>>32515303

Thanks. I always searched for a starter-level book to understand a bit of that war.

k can be fun and educational, it seems.

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>>32510023

>>32522240
Are they still fighting?

>>32523899
Yes they are , Palmyra rev (the main pro rebel Palmyra source) claims the SAA tried to storm the village of Sharifah and were again repelled. No confirmation from pro IS sources. The actual front line around Sharifah is still a mystery to me with conflicting claims. Both sides claim control over the village. As I have said for a long time the IS fighting forces in eastern Homs have been wiping floor with SAA which is why T4 outskirts have been hotly contested even after SAA reinforcements.

Also a US airstrike hit a JFS HQ in Idlib killing up to 25. The SAA took over a air defense battalion in the town of Hazrma, eastern Ghouta and lastly a group of pro SAA forces were ambushed and killed in Baseema village in Wadi Barada valley.

>>32523899

yes:

https://twitter.com/M3t4_tr0n/status/816336995064672257

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>>32524130
>US airstrike hit Idlib

unlikely

>>32524150
I am seeing a pro SAA militia source post a "martyred" soldier photo from today around T4. Not much else.

https://twitter.com/basmtwtn/status/816340319117725696

>>32493382
Mosul's dam will level it, and Tikrit, and Samarra, and then bury Baghdad under 16 feet of water.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/02/a-bigger-problem-than-isis

>>32525496
What do you call 1.5 million Iraqis at the bottom of the ocean?

>>32525596
A start

>>32525645
Israel pls

>>32494436
the old Mao gambit, a true classic

>>32491883
We XCOM now

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqB-CAodySc

>>32491883
What camo is that?

>>32517421
Probably, since they've been emboldened by the recent court ruling that says that law enforcement can legally shoot dogs if they so much as bark in the direction of an officer

>>32517332
he looks like the dog raped him

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latakia freedom fighters
(no putinik allowed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kD_Ndl1fs

>>32526943
another one . engl. subs.
https://youtu.be/5mXGg80hyKI

news from the bronx https://youtu.be/q0zN9h_GNY0

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Anyone see this?

Guy was in Aleppo right after it was liberated and talking to people.

Not surprisingly, no one in East Aleppo has seen any of those White Helmet muppets.

https://janoberg.exposure.co/humans-in-liberated-aleppo

>>32527098
>a school was targ...
Dude these guys never change

>>32528310

Their concern about schools being targeted is pretty comical considering these cave dwellers want to revert society back to the 7th century.

>>32527248
beasts all over the shop... you'll be one of them, sooner or later

>>32527248
The fuck?