855A1: Lead Free Ammo

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How are the terminal effects?

>>32466972
good

>>32466711
We'll never see the benefits of the m885a1 ammo being cheaper in the civilian market, federal law has restrictions against armor piercing ammo and specifically bans any armor piercing ammo for handgun calibers.
The definition of armor piercing is also fucky.
Basically if it isn't made mostly of lead it's armor piercing.
So, m885a1 will most certainly be classified armor piercing by ATF, eventually, and when it is they'll straight up ban that shit because there's 5.56 "pistols" and armor piercing ammo for handguns is strictly verboten.

>>32467084
>if it isn't made mostly of lead it's armor piercing
Except fully copper bullets are being sold. In some states you need to hunt with lead free ammo.

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>>32467084
Its the military standard now though

You cant ban military standard because thats the modern musket just like the AR15

>>32466711
>>Copper costs less than 3x as much as lead
I have no idea what this is trying to tell me
That copper costs up to 2.9x what lead does?
That copper is 1/3 the price of lead?
What?

>>32467232
So the government can't ban newly manufactured full auto AR-15s?

>>32467306
>That copper costs up to 2.9x what lead does?
This one. It's a very strange way of saying it, trying to make it sound cheap when it's almost 3x as expensive

>Mine lead from ground
>Manufacture lead into bullets.
>Shoot bullets which ultimately end up... back in the ground.
>Mine bullets

How is this not recycling?

We can make the steel harder too!

>>32466711
>/k/: hey hippies, let's work together to ban lead ammo so we can use steel core instead!
>hippies: *tokes* sure brah, sounds good to me maaaan
>/k/: I'm so glad we can find some /k/ommon ground!

3 months later...

>/k/: Well we did it, lead ammo is banned, time for some super cheap steel ammo now! Ready to help me like you promised, Running Buffalo McHempman?
>hippies: *tokes and stares silently*
>/k/: c-come o-n, y-you p-p-promised!

Yeah great idea OP, go for it. There's no way a new ban can be used against us.

>couterpoint: the military is retarded
I'll just stick with the 75gr BTHP and TMK...

>>32467434
Republicans have control of congress now. Obviously you ban lead ammo and legalize steel ammo that is currently classified as AP in the same bill.
Also you could just legalize AP ammo and tax lead ammo or something.

>theyre completely environmentally friendly and non-toxic

>copper

>completely environmentally friendly and non-toxic

Here's a hint for the apparently utterly clueless. If you want to kill a tree, a common way of doing it is to hammer a few copper nails into the trunk and waiting a bit. Very useful for those that have a forest of sapling sprout from the roots if you just cut it down.

Lead is overall much worse, but this doesn't make copper completely harmless.

>>32467495
Obviously most things humans do hurt the environment to some degree. The solution is to minimize the damage and lower the population.

>>32467485
Or we could just not be fucking retarded and legalize steel ammo while also keeping lead ammo legal.

Seriously, what kind of """gun enthusiast""" wants a fucking tax on ammo?

>>32467518
>The solution is to minimize the damage and lower the population.

Start by offing yourself.

>>32467084
This. They'll do the same shit they did for 7n6. Fuck the ATF.

>I don't want people casting their lead bullets themselves
>ban ban ban!

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>>32466711
>>costs less than 3x as much

>>32467033

Don't lie.

>>32466711
You honestly don't think banning a type of ammo won't set a damaging precedent against us? Same as the AP-pistol round crap it'll be used to ban anything. You're either an idiot or malicious.

>>32467594
time to legalize homemade nuclear reactors?

>>32467936
but they are

>>32467306
Its about 2.5x as much as lead

>>32467319
Full auto isnt tactically necessary to be combat effective and is really just for point blank spraypray(mass shooters) or suppressing fire

>>32467434
Get the hippies to legalize steel first then ban lead

>>32467084
Then get rid of the law dumbass.

>>32467495
You also shouldnt eat steel for breakfast but alright

>>32467522
Step 1: legalize steel using MUH TOXIC LEAD as the reasoning

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>>32468246
Or just don't ban it at all you retard. See: >>32467807

Why does everyone rush to having the government come in to force their shitty ideas on everyone else? You're perfectly free to try and convince people to move away from lead to something else, but saying you want to ban lead means you have the same retarded mindset as the gungrabbers.

It's almost like you're afraid your ideas are so retarded they'll never win out in a free and open marketplace of ideas...

ALL lead comes out of the ground

All of sudden way more toxic when shot back into the ground

Zozzle derp

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>>32466972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8IvDPuVuho

>>32467336
That's what I always wondered.

>>32468246
I have yet to see an indoor range that allows steel core ammo. So fuck banning lead ammo.

>>32468258
>he doesn't eat steel for breakfast
Pussy

>>32468429
Nooiiiceee. That is quick to fragment and the core keeps flying.

>>32468371
Its about recruiting hippies to push legislation

If borh sides can unite we can unban all ammo in the name of reducing (not necessarily banning) lead

>>32467232
I agree, but most people just don't get it.

>>32467319
Not justly they can't.

>>32467232
>You cant ban military standard because thats the modern musket just like the AR15
They've already done it

>>32467336
Except you don't grow corn on lead mines because of, you guessed it, fucking lead poisoning. And when you shoot it back into the ground where your corn grows, it gets into the water.

It's lime you dipshits WANT to end up like the Romans.

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>>32469172
Bitch i take a full clip of 9mm to the chest as a warmup before I hit the gym just to loosen up

>>32469686
>>32469671
Semi auto is pretty much just as effective in a firefight with practice

>>32469827
>9mm

>>32469827
>clip
>implying steel in regular ammo

>>32467379
why stop with steel? tungsten carbide tipped ammo, hell put diamonds on the tips of it because why the fuck not

>>32467134
>Except fully copper bullets are being sold.
Remember when Barnes sold 0.223 banded solids? Now their smallest solids start with .366. God bless Elite Ammunition and ATF.

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>>32468429
Clearly violation of Hague conventions. By procuring such ammo US military gives other countries legal excuse to indefinitely imprison US POWs.

>>32471927

The US never signed it.

>let's BAN IT

Just like the libcucks you faggot

>>32471927
nah
>The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions.
>The present Declaration is only binding for the Contracting Powers in the case of a war between two or more of them.
>It shall cease to be binding from the time when, in a war between the Contracting Parties, one of the belligerents is joined by a non-Contracting Power.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp

>>32468019
You go build one, then tell the government about it, see what they think the laws say.

>>32472173
http://www.bbc.com/news/10385853
turns out they don't give a fuck, dumbass.

david hahn was also well known for trying (and failing) to make a breeder reactor

>>32472257
>nuclear fusion
it'sfuckingnothing.jpg

>>32472278
didnt even bother googling david hahn huh?
aka it's fucking fission

anyways way to move the goalposts, it's still nuclear and either way the govt. could care less unless you are getting nuclear material illegally or scattering a shit ton of radioactive material everywhere

>>32472301
>le le le GOALPOSTS
If you mention nuclear anything in general conversation, you're talking about nuclear fission. Nuclear fusion practically doesn't exist in lay conversation.

If you seriously think that the government wouldn't pursue things differently from twenty years ago, you're a naive idiot.

>>32466711
>Copper costs less than 3x as much as lead
Wat

>>32472322
if you think the government is going to lay the smackdown on some poor science loving kid for not understanding the legality of nuclear reactors then i think you're the naive idiot

even the swecuck who actually got arrested for trying this (their national laws prohibit ownership of the radioactive material he had, which isn't as much of an issue in the US) had the majority of the charges dismissed and ended up paying a fine (roughly $2000). In the US if you got no further than he did, they wouldn't even have legal justification for an arrest.

>>32468404
Deep in the ground =/= surface

Dozzle zerp

>>32472368
From an outsider's perspective, America has a pretty well-deserved reputation of being orders of magnitude more litigious than the rest of the Western world.

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>>32468404
actually yes. Lead in the ground is typically lead(II) sulfide from the ore galena. Lead(II) sulfide is insoluble and rather non-toxic. The ore has to processed to get the toxic, elemental lead

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>>32472408
I mean it's an ionic salt it's going to be somewhat soluble.
Ksp = 1.6X10^-8
Molar solubility = √Ksp ~ 1.26 x 10^-4 M Pb
(1.26 x 10^-4 mol Pb/1L) x(207.2g/mol) =
>.026gPb/Liter of water

inb4 I made a mistake
>takes chem once

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>>32472408
I grabbed the ksp for lead (II) sulfate not PbS, sorry. Give me a break it's 6am and I haven't slept.3.58 x 10^-12gPb/1L, much more reasonable.

inb4 2nd mistake

>>32472368

>the NRC would never by officious and petty

lel

also have you forgotten the part where Hahn's Breeder reactor got v& and his house got made into a Superfund site?

>>32467084
Was there ever a case of actual AP ammunition used that resulted in the death of a cop?