What do you think of a suppressed .380?

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It goes pew pew

It's like your mom OP, don't want anyone to see me with it, but I would play with it if it was laying around.

>>32463978
I think its adorable.

>>32463978
That gun is beautiful

>>32463978
what I don't understand is why there is no full size .380 with a 25+rd mag

I think they are good because they are easier to conceal and a smaller gun is less noticable in the dark

>>32463978
a cute!

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>>32464116
Would buy

>>32464116
Because the recoil difference between 9x19 and .380 through mid or fullsize handguns is so minor the performance difference makes it not worth bothering with.

And if you can get 25+ rounds of .380 in a pistol you can get 25+ rounds of 9x19 since they share case web diameter

>>32463978
By the way, about 9 mm handguns.
Did germans have any silienced pistol during WWII that wasn't a CZ27?

>>32464295
then why is .380 still a thing?

>>32464353
Pocket guns.

>>32463978
It's great cause .380 ACP is naturally subsonic just like .45 ACP, .32 ACP and 9x18mm Makarov.

>>32464299

I've seen pics of a supressed luger some german official is holding.

I think it was experimental, since the supressor looked like a goddamn stick grenade and I doubt the man could aim with it.

>>32464436
I thought the same. It would make a good sneaky pistol.

>>32463978
Neat.

>>32464450
Probably. The thing is that the only places I've seen silenced Lugers are movies and videogames. Plus a couple of photos with questionable usefulness.

And what about other countries? Americans used Hi-Standard HDM, brits produced Welrod, soviets had silenced Nagant 1895.

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>>32463978
>tfw no .32 ACP suppressed 1911 with double stacked 20 round magazines

>>32464416
ayyyy a smart guy! That's what I was gonna say!
and to that end, a nubby supressor will work, you don't need that 'full length' but I bet it's VERY quiet right now, huh?

My friend has a mak in .380 with a threaded barrel. Really quiet

I have a boner for a micro beretta with giant ass supressor. I might settle for an m71 and .22 can though.

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>>32464554
Get you a klobb. I found an aluminum airshit can that is a copy of the original QD VZ-61 suppressor that has the exact dimensions as a real one. I might buy it and Form 1 it as a suppressor. .32ACP is a really low pressure round so I'm not super worried about it not holding.

>>32464353
Because even though 380 is only 2mm shorter than a 9 (at the same diameter), that little difference allows for way smaller carry guns than a 9 ever could.

The difference in effectiveness in self defense carry is negligible (XTP 380 rounds kick ass). Which is why I've personally moved to 380s in my carry pistols. Namely the Sig pictured, Colt Mustang & G42.

No one will ever be able to convince me a 9 would make a difference in the real world for these situations.

>>32467219
Are there any modern .32 ACP pistols?

>>32467293
lel kek makes one. Get a VZ-61, even as a pistol they're a lot of fun. Look retarded though.

>>32464116
The closest thing is a Bersa Thunder Combat Plus .380

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>>32467339
>lel kek makes one

>>32467381
kel-tec

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>>32467381
Lel kek

>>32464554

ive been wanting this exactly

>>32464295
Cartridge length would make a huge difference if it was a bison magazine
Imagine a .380 bison with the full 64 that cant be had with 9x19

>>32463978
i think
>why did you invest money into a shit caliber

>>32464116
>he thinks that a 9x17 is more narrow than a 9x19
I can't wait until christmas break is over for you fucking idiots.

I personally have no qualm of using .380 for self defence. Hell I had a p3at as my only pistol for quite some time before I bought P7, which also shoots .380

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>>32467293
NAA 32 Guardian
They also sell bottlenecked models 32>25 and 380>32, I don't own any NAA guns but they get good reviews for their class.
>I want a NAA 380

>>32468423
Wat

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>>32468458
>That is a pic of the NAA .32NAA (380 frame) but their entire guardian line looks the same.

>>32468023
Yes, true.

Also completely 100% irrelevant to
>fullsize pistol
since it would be a submachine gun.

>>32464295
I would like it just for a grandma gun. lighter recoil spring means even a weak and arthritic old lady can rack the slide, and 25 rounds gives them plenty of room for error

that plus a laser would be the shit for someone too old to shoot a 9

>>32464295
>Because the recoil difference between 9x19 and .380 through mid or fullsize handguns is so minor

What the fuck? nigger have you ever fired a comparable 9mm and .380 side by side?

Yeah if the 9mm is recoil operated and the .380 is blowback sure, recoil is similar. However if both are recoil operated, the .380 is a whole lot lighter. It's a bigger difference than going from 9mm to .40 S&W.

>>32464295
Different guy, but I'm thinking if you made it locked breech then recoil would be super soft and even an arthritic old crackwhore could rack the slide (maybe put a pull ring on it).

I like the idea of handicapable weapons.

>>32468480
Lookslike a seecamp.

Does anyonehave either? Ive heard great things about seecamp and i think idbe more likely to carry it because of hlw easy it would be, im just not sure how .32 defensive ammo is. I guess europe used it for a while and it killed franz ferdinand so it cant be too weak

>>32468478
College life. There's no way I could carry a full sized gun into campus (even then I would put them in my bag or something)

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>>32468796
>im just not sure how .32 defensive ammo is
Lehigh, my man, Extreme Cavitors.
It should penetrate to the FBI minimum.

Hell, if you were to load the bullets into .32NAA cases they could probably be quite the little rascals.

>>32468829
if you're in college you can definitely wear clothes that will let you conceal a 9mm

>>32468796
>Lookslike a seecamp.

It's a copy of the Seecamp, but they're less expensive and a little bigger. I think all the NAA Guardians, even the .32 and .25 models, are the size of the .380 Seecamp. On the plus side they're much cheaper and aren't as picky with ammo as a legit LWS. My biggest gripe with the real LWS is, however small and well made they are, they're spotty with FMJ. The only .32 Auto I'd carry for defense would be hot 73gr FMJ like Fiocchi. No .32 Auto JHP load meets FBI penetration specs.

> I guess europe used it for a while and it killed franz ferdinand so it cant be too weak

Nah it's not a bad cartridge if you stick to solid non-expanding projectiles. 73gr European loads are pretty hot and will penetrate better than anything else, save maybe fuckspensive Buffalo Bore hardcast stuff. That hot 73gr ball is what police and military have been using for 100 years and it's been killing people dead.

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>>32464116
Oh, but there is...

>>32468848
>>32468866
Il see if any place around here has them and try to fingerfuck both. Im looking for a carry gun and the seecamp hit almost all the dots. im lazy and dont want to put much effort into changing how i dress and shit to carry so i figure the easier the better. Il look into the 380s but i dont think id be much better out of such a tiny gun. .32 is the smallest i would go

My friends have a shield and glock 43, neither are bad per se but nothing jumped out at me either. I think a single stack is the way to go and as always steel>polymer.

>>32468892
Is not gun, is folded sheet metal of Cuban drug dealer

>>32468740
Yes. I own a Bersa Thunder .380, which I'd consider right in the middle of compact, and several 9mm's ranging from subcompact (LC9S Pro) to compact (Glock 26) to midsize (CZ P01). The Bersa kicks considerably more than the Glock despite weighing more and about the same as the CZ, which is physically much larger and heavier.

>>32469074
Thank blowback for that. My brother's 9x18 PA-63 recoiled like a midsize .45

For a fair comparison shoot something like an LC9 and LC380 side by side. They're both recoil operated. The LC380 feels like it has half the recoil.

>>32463978
I think I now need one

>>32464416
use a 147gr 9mm and it's "naturally" subsonic you retard.

>>32469102
Probably true, but I've also shot it side by side with the Thunder 9 and the recoil was about the same, and I've shot the Sig P238 next to the P938 when shopping for CC pistols and with standard-pressure 9mm the .380 was about the same on recoil.

I'm just not convinced the recoil difference is high enough to justify the relatively significant performance difference, but then again I've also not found gel tests for a 4-5" barreled .380 to compare to the plethora of good 9mm loadings out there. And yes I know about all the super-specialty .380 rounds that both meet FBI penetration req's and have decent terminal performance, selection absolutely pales in comparison to the number of excellent 9mm JHP's and is a scant fraction of the "good enough" 9mm JHP's as well as all of the specialty loads like LeHigh *also* being offered in 9x19.

>>32464353
You can do a relatively light and compact fixed barrel blowback gun easy with 380, whereas a blowback 9mm needs to be a hipoint-tier brick

>>32464116
Because .380 costs more than 5.56 and has worse performance than 9mm which can be had for under $0.10 a round. .380 really only exists for lame yuropoor and espaniol countries that can't have "police or military ammunition"

>>32464299

see VVV

>>32469521

>>32468458
>not using a NAA 22 magnum pocket revolver

>>32469102
Most pistols in 9mm Luger are short-recoil (barrel recoils with slide a short bit before).

Most pistols in .380ACP are straight-blowback (no locking, just the weight of the slide)

It makes a difference.

>>32469905
I know. My point all along has been that put both calibres in the same type of pistol and the difference in recoil is substantial. A lot of modern .380s are recoil operated, so it's only fair to compare apples to apples.

>>32468865
Yeah but 380 is better at concealment than a 9 ever could be, so why not go w it?

>inb4 But mah 9 has moar stopping powah

No it fucking doesn't. At least not in any real world self defense capacity. You blow through a mag full of 380 XTP, I guarantee you're stopping the person (prob from living) just as well as a carry 9 would w the same shot placements.

Until someone could prove to me otherwise, I'm carrying my p238. Single action so even better.

>>32470726
if you're on a campus you can easily wear clothes that will let you conceal a Glock 19 or something of comparable size, assuming you aren't a 110lbs twink.

>>32470771
Again, why bother with the increased size/weight when quality 380s (and ammo) exists?

>>32470903
capacity

Plus what is the weight difference between identically sized .380s and 9mms? for a small single stack it's like 5 oz, which is basically negligible.

>>32464029
>James Bond
>.380

nope

>>32470989
Yeah, it's all about that .25ACP.

>>32464116
What are IPSC .380 race guns for 500? Meme tier, but yes, they exist.

>>32471403
this is mostly in countries where 9mm is banned because "muh military boolets" right?

>>32470989
He uses a .380 PPK in the later movies.

>>32471423
Sort of, but people go a lot for .38 Super (or SuperComp), or various stand-in calibers like 9mm IMI or 9mm Steyr