Pop goes the carrier.

COME ON AND SLAM, AND WELCOME TO THE THREE GORGES DAM, COME AND SLAM, ENJOY THE FUCKING JDAMS!

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>>32449338

>>32449338
Us pigdog carrier will pop like pork skin in chinese gutter oil. Our lead projectiles will rain blinding smog on your fleet and choke out your determination. And when you think things are squinting up, we will deliver to your mothers and you will be crying babies suckling on baby formula that is your empty unoccupied buildings that is your economy!

>>32449338
Lazy b8.

>>32449338
You'd think with all these scenarios and weapons china can sink carriers with they would have already completely destroyed the US Navy and taken over the world by now.

>>32449675
Even if the Chinese could magically sink every US carrier group, it would be impossible for them to "win" any nuclear exchange according to oppenheimer.

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>>32449338
Pop goes the chink

>>32449338
>radar guidance through the ion air layer
DF-21 a scam, chink shills need to leave.

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>>32452030
Not so fast americuck

China Developing Laser Weapons with Inertial Confinement Nuclear Fusion
>One of the projects is the development of laser inertial confinement nuclear fusion technology to generate powerful laser that may be widely used by Chinese military.
>China has successfully developed its Shenguang-1 and Shenguang-2 large solid powerful laser devices and has now established a research center for Shenguang-3 high-power laser, which will play a vital role in developing powerful laser weapons.
https://tiananmenstremendousachievements.wordpress.com/2013/11/15/top-secret-china-developing-laser-weapons-with-inertial-confinement-nuclear-fusion/

We chinese can intercept all your missiles with our laser cannons.

>>32453419

i'll believe it when I see it. Nice painting though, that would be cool.

>>32453419
Lol yea right

That shit is decades away from completion

>>32449668
>unoccupied buildings that is your economy
>Ghost Cities in China

>>32453419
>Tiananmenstremendousachievements.wordpress

Jesus, they aren't even hiding it anymore

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>>32453419
Didn't know the chinks liked Tom Clancy

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>>32453706
Fucking chinks

Cant even make their own propaganda. They just steal that shit like they do everything else.

>>32449542

Come and jury

At war crime inquiry

Who will be hanged

For 3 million changs

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>>32453706
>chinks can't even make original propaganda and have to steal it from american video games

>>32453706
>>32453730
>>32454258
Worst part they claim what they steal is theirs.

>>32453624
>china_war.png
>>32449668
>>32453674
Withhold and round up all overseas citizenship and assets of theirs. See what will happen.

>>32453701
>>32449674
It's a shit one so can't tell if fake or what.

>>32449338
How many times will we have this thread?

>>32453419
I might actually be concerned about China if I didn't automatically release a heavy sigh every time I see "Made in China" on something.

>>32453624

The same is true for all nations.

America couldn't conquer Vietnam, right? Wrong. Nuclear options were constantly denied and plagues of international rules denied the stronger force victory.

That is what we are now. Obey the damned rules unless the rules are damned. And America alone has over ten thousand federal laws enforced with court precedence. Thousands and thousands more laws enforced via state, county, and city law precedent... And IRS code that's just as convoluted.

A law abiding soldier has to perform mental chess every time he pulls the trigger. Most don't, and most don't go to court this lifetime over it as far as I know.

Obviously nobody can rape and kill every human deemed an enemy of the state because history proves most people are regular white bread boring and average.

So laws handicap nations that allow unneeded and harmful bureaucracy. Not that bureaucracy doesn't work, however.


I just want it to be known every nation America went to war with, or had a police action in, could have been destroyed immediately but it was allowed to exist.

The most powerful people in the world let farmers fight them for virtually ALL of it's existence. From Korea and Vietnam to Afghanistan. Even tiny former Spanish conquests have been allowed to live.

America is historically a very reasonable nation for the poor and disadvantaged to war against even though America can end it whenever it wants.

I'm a madman and I admit it, I've taken part in so many military simulations it effects my compassion.

There is less shame in America than anywhere else.

America is actually the greatest peoples in the world.

It really is.

That's just one example.

>>32454525
This is why I stopped snorting adderal.

>>32453419
The comments on the article are fucking hilarioud. Totally not bots.

>>32454525

I... wat?

>>32454234
Nobody is going to get a trial for that. Otherwise we'd start using Civilians as shields for our military bases.

>>32453419

Low orbit weapons systems are outlawed by international treaty.

>>32454525

You obviously can't understand what a shitstorm would bring to anyone that actually used nukes. It's a door that NOBODY wants to open for very obvious fucking reasons.

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>>32454782
Don`t care, we have laser cannons in our warships and in orbit.
And we also have railguns
http://www.popsci.com/an-electromagnetic-arms-race-has-begun-china-is-making-railguns-too

All you have is F35s that don`t fly and littoral ships that break for nothing.
China stronk!!!.

>>32453624
>China hasn't won a war against a foreign power in over 400 years
>What was the Korean war

>>32449338
>MRBM

Yawn.

Completely countered from launch to terminal with current assets.

>>32456416
>chinese think they *won* an ongoing war.

>chinese are proud of perpetuating north korea.

>>32449338
Too bad you cant pop the subs carrying nukes aimed at your capitals

>>32455502
By that metric america has railguns on its warships and has had lasers for years.

Still playing catch up.

>>32453706
Horee sheet is there anything those chinky fucks wont rip off? Bragging about secret space lasers but they cant even make their own fucking drawing of said lasers? My sides are fucking gone here

>>32453706
top kek go china

>>32454525
wow this is great, cringey yet funny at the same time 8/10

>>32456497
We were responsible for liberating all areas north of the 38th parallel, and we did it within six weeks of entering the war. That's a victory by any standard.

>>32453419
China is basically a fatter version of North Korea. You keep making threats and showing off your "impressive" military without anyone really being concerned

>>32456597
>we did some things
>that means we won by any standard.

Nope.

>>32449668
Did no one notice this is satire?

Nice

>>32455502
>claim to have space lasers
>cant even OC a god damn propaganda concept.

>>32456616
China doesn't want to threaten anyone. Our military exists to defend our orders and safeguard world peace.

Same with Socialist Korea. They been subject to decades of incessant threats, provocations, and sanctions from the USA and it's gang of cronies. Their nuclear arms serve to ensure the DPRK's right to exist.

>>32456627
The UN invaded the DPRK. We drove them out.

>>32456655
>China doesn't want to threaten anyone.

Tell that to every nation in the SCS

>>32456675
China has never threatened any of them. We are only securing our territorial waters.

>>32452055
they use a camera mounted on it and it has visual identification.

>>32456684
>We

Fuck off china shill

>>32456663
No, the US drove the chinese forces and the DPRK forces out of south korea. :^)

>>32456684
So you dont exchange fire with fishing vessels?

>>32456663
The UN only reacted to north koreas (later chinas) invasion of south korea.

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>>32456695
>>32456711
>responding to Australians

>>32456700
The People's Volunteer Army never made significant intrusions into South Korean territory. It simply wasn't our objective for entering the war. To say that you "drove us out" is historical fabrication.

>>32456724
It was a civil war, that you intervened in and escalated.

>>32456738
>The People's Volunteer Army never made significant intrusions into South Korean territory.

Its called getting BTFO. Their goal was reunification. A total failure.

> that you intervened in and escalated.

Actually that was china.

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>>32456738
>no significant intrusion into worst korean territory
I suppose nanking also didn't happen

>>32456863
>Their goal was reunification.
Wrong. See: >>32456882

We never planned to go much further than Seoul. We entered the war with the goal of aiding the DPRK and resisting US aggression, which we succeeded at.

>>32456952
>no significant intrusion
>literally capture the south korean capital
I suppose you also raised phil and love the ladies
Also way to move the goalposts

What conflicts has China directly been involved in, as in they sent in their own troops?

>>32457025
Troll war III
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1-6fguTatR8

>>32456984
Seoul is only a few dozen km from the 38th parallel. Capturing it isn't really intruding that far into South Korean territory. Do you not know how to read a map?

There is no moving of goalposts, it's your own perception of history that was warped from the start. The war is literally called "War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" in China. Not "War to reunify Korea".

>>32457069
War to aid Korea? I hear those norks are eating grass and bark off hillsides. Looks like you failed again, despite 50+ years of lack of combat.

>>32457025
An invasion of a few dozen km that captures your enemy's capital is a pretty fucking significant intrusion.
>war of us agression
If US agression saves half a country from degenerating into a tolitarian hellhole, i think its all right.

>>32452055
Pershing II did it decades ago. So STFU kid, you are out of your element here.

>>32457069
Chinks engaged in "war to resist US aggression and aid Korea"
>results in civilian population starving to death, eating grass, bark, risking lives to escape.

US calls it Korean War
>South Korea is a first world nation.

Poor chinks. I suppose that goes for the "Cultural Revolution" as well.

>>32457069
"war to assist the people so extreme even we wan't to cut ties with them"

>>32457069
>The war is literally called "War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" in China. Not "War to reunify Korea".
Yet Mao literally gave the Norks the OK to start the original war, which was explicitly a war to re-unify Korea. Meaning the Chinese goal all along was to drive out the Sorks and unify Korea under the Norks. You think we're dumb enough to let you get away with these half-truths?

>>32457197
>Yet Mao literally gave the Norks the OK to start the original war
Proof?

>>32457216
Don't have it on hand, but if you look it up, there was no way Kim was going to invade without knowing beforehand both Commie powers would support him. As soon as Stalin showed interest, China got in on that, as they realized they had a chance to compete with the Russians for influence over North Korea and the future Unified Commie Korea.

>In April 1950, Stalin gave Kim permission to invade the South under the condition that Mao would agree to send reinforcements if they became needed. Stalin made it clear that Soviet forces would not openly engage in combat, to avoid a direct war with the Americans.[100] Kim met with Mao in May 1950. Mao was concerned that the Americans would intervene but agreed to support the North Korean invasion. China desperately needed the economic and military aid promised by the Soviets. At that time, the Chinese were in the process of demobilizing half of the PLA's 5.6 million soldiers.[101] However, Mao sent more ethnic Korean PLA veterans to Korea and promised to move an army closer to the Korean border.[102] Once Mao's commitment was secured, preparations for war accelerated.[103][104]

Wikipedophile's summary, as backed up by listed sources

I like where this thread is going.

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>>32454234
and who exactly is going to run such a trial? The moon people? ayylmaos? god?

there are no consequences for the winning side, see
>Hiroshima
>Dresden

>>32457216
>>32457069

Incredible, before June 25, 1950, there were only 500 US military personnel in South Korea. The US Congress voted against giving military aid to South Korea in January 1950.

Joe Stalin also received intel from a US Army sergeant that US forces had relocated to Japan; Stalin had been against any conflict for fear of direct confrontation with the US. When the Soviets learned there were few if any US Forces in Korea, they gave the green light to invade, thinking the US wouldn't believe it was worth it to come to South Korea's aid. The CIA had seen Nork buildup on the border, but believed it was for defensive purposes.

June 25, 1950 -- North Korea launches a surprise attack into South Korea.

>tl;dr - even in the best of circumstances, the Communists failed.

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>>32455502

I can literally see the blue NAVSEA logo that's a US laser you retard.

>>32457305
>>32457244
I like how the Chinese web brigade-bro disappears after these posts

>>32457305
>The CIA had seen Nork buildup on the border, but believed it was for defensive purposes.

It was. Contrary to popular belief, it was the South Koreans and Americans who started the war. I recommend the book "Distortion of US Provocation of Korean War".

>>32453674
Plenty of Third World level shit cities in the US - Detroit is just the most extreme.

>>32457538
Yes, the American provoked war by removing the US military from the region, thus making South Korea a ripe target for the Communists.

>They couldn't help themselves!

>>32456597
>We were responsible for liberating all areas north of the 38th parallel,
>liberating
Bull. Fucking. Shit. You returned that area to a family of militaristic tyrants so you could have a buffer state to call your own.

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>>32456684
>We are only securing our territorial waters.
Is that what "claiming foreign waters of multiple nations nearly up to their beaches" is called now?

>>32457459
>I like how the Chinese web brigade-bro disappears after these posts

Nevermind, he's back, with plenty of spin and historical revisionism to dispense >>32457538


At least Fitty is sending us better trolls - this guy can actually communicate in American English. The ones from a few months back were pathetically easy to detect with their Chinese grammar and lack of native idiom.

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>blow up one carrier
>shove the other ten down your throat and build ten more because fuck you

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>>32449338
>a country that builds pic related regularly and for no/fraudulent reasons is going to win a war vs. the US Navy

Nice to see you again CIDF. I have so much more to throw at you. Please stay, Ping-Pong. I love a good chink roast.

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>>32449338
Those are cute.

>>32453624
>>32456497
>>32456627
>>32457623

Chinese are cucked af throughout history, but they did very well in Korea given how disadvantaged they were.

>>32457652
What makes you think those waters belong to them? Explain yourself.

>>32457804
They failed their goal of reunification.

Anything other than the above is pure damage control.

Policy wise, they failed due to the above.

Strategically the war was a complete failure of logistics, unable to push their gains.

Tactically on the ground they amounted to "throw more men the the other guy has bullets". In the air they did better, but had huge soviet help.

The war was a joke. They had every advantage but failed. It would be like the US loseing half of mexico to a russian invasion.

>>32457839
Maritime law.

>>32457839
>UN sea borders long established
>Your artificial island groups nullify international treaty

Hahaaa, look at this guy.

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>>32457747 https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/chinese-submarine-appeared-in-the-middle-of-a-carrier-battle-group.html

>>32457854
Show me the maritime laws that say the Spartly Islands and Paracel Islands belong to anyone but China.

>>32457863
They're not artificial islands. Those islands have always existed. We only re-scaped them to build airfields.

>>32457899
>play stupid game of chicken
>get every gun in the fleet pointed at you
You do realize anyone with a sub could pull that?

How many Chinese brides do you plan on taking after we win, bros?

I think a half dozen should be enough for me.

>>32457844
>Strategically the war was a complete failure of logistics, unable to push their gains.
You mean operationally. It was a strategic failure as well, but having logistical problems and being unable to keep momentum up is an operational failure rather than a strategic one - it probably contributed to the strategic failure.

>>32457913
>No residents
>Only 20 different competing militaries
Just fucking share already.

>>32457949
Im talking about chinas strategic logistical capability. China is a big place.

>>32457913
There's a BF4 map saying we're taking them back, you chink fuck

>>32457913
Im talking UN Maritime territorial and EEZ waters.

>>32457913
+1 garlic clove has been deposited in your glorious peoples bucket

How's life in Blade Runner, ping pong?

>>32457976
What about them?

>>32458016
It simply states china does not own the entirety of the SCS, and furthermore not whatever x-dash line they are trying to peddle.

>>32458016
>ping pong has already forgotten about the previous post

Chink intelligence, everyone.

Here ya go bud. >>32457854

I'll even give you a hint: it probably has something to do with treaties. Have fun ping pong and don't get BTFO too hard nao :^)

>>32453419

>We

If you were a real chinese, there wouldn't be 'we' because that 'we' would have nothing to do with you. It would only be an inner circle of few hundred people that makes up the communist party. You and others like you have no part in anything.

You are only there to take it up your bum when the next law more retarded than the last will pass that will legally ban you from doing something fun. And you're stupid enough to think it's for your own good when in reality it's another piece of ideological bullshit your leaders have no better idea about either, but will pass it either way in order to make it seem like things are orderly and civilized for dumb cattle like you are.

>>32458035
>>32458049
>double post

I see your modem was built in china

>>32456684
The base china made in the south china sea is nothing more than a strategic base that puts them well withing striking distance of all the surrounding nations. This allows China to strike at any time on any of the Island Nations that China does not own and does not have the sovereign right to. They do not own or have any right to Japan, Taiwan or any of the others there.

How many carriers do you have, mr. fortune cookie?

Oh...thats right...

>>32458033
>>32458041
China's EEZ extends 200NM around the Spartly and Paracel Islands. Nearly the entire South China Sea is their EEZ because China owns those islands.

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>China, sore losing since the beginning of time

People will say 1 or 2 things wrong with this image invalidates the whole thing. Have fun /k/, and remember - only you can stop bait threads.

>PING PONG BTFO

>>32457899
What is the meaning of this? Would the Chinese prefer the USN destroy submarines that approach, in peacetime?

>>32458106
Taiwan is a part of China. What do you think "ROC" is an acronym for?

>>32458131
If i were to belive your claims, there are still problems.

In the event of overlap there needs to be arbitration.

Furthermore, nearly all is not all.

>>32458131
So you are building islands to steal waters that would otherwise belong to other nations?

Defense my ass. You're thieves and liars. I guess that's another garlic clove for you, ping-pong.

>>32458143
I hope we do. Most of it would probably be one shotted.

>>32458143
The USN is just fine with the chinese beliveing they can surface in the middle of a CBG """''''''''''''undetected"""""""".

Why tip them off otherwise

>>32458153
China is doing everything in our power to resolve the EEZ disputes peacefully. However, China's sovereignty and territorial integrity on the SCS islands is non-negotiable.

>>32458163
>china tries to surprise attack
>suddenly 20 subs beneath fleet
>they are all detected
>depth charges I choose you!
>china relives opium wars over again and quivers in impotent rage

>>32458173
By taking more land and causing disputes? You are thieves and liars. That's a garlic clove lost I think ping pong.

>>32458157
Quick, name one island China built artificially that didn't already exist.

>>32458186
K

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/30/world/asia/what-china-has-been-building-in-the-south-china-sea.html

http://time.com/4341510/south-china-sea-artificial-islands/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/asia/south-china-sea-scarborough-shoal-philippines-china/

>>32458173
Except only china thinks china has sovereignty over the entire SCS.

If its truely non negotiable then war is unavoidable. A shame, because currently china cant win in the SCS due to US standoff capability.

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>>32458201
Here have this. Let's have some Chinese BBQ made from Chinks getting BTFO.

1/3

>>32458197
So name one island China built. It should be easy.

>>32458201
So the US wants to go to war with China because we want to secure our own territory. And you call us the aggressors? LMAO

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>>32458222
>wasted trips
I just listed 7 in one article you fucking retarded slope. I'll name them thus:

Ping Pong
Ching Chong
Sum Ting Wong
Bang Ding Ow
Wi Tu Lo
Ho Lee Fuq
Bruce Lee

>>32458214
2/3

>>32458222
It wont be the US, it will be the UN with USN backing, protecting the sanctity of UN maritime law that china is flagrantly ignoreing.

China, in all its hubris thinks that their spat in the SCS only concerns them. It concerns the world, and the legitmacy of centuries of maritime law.

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>>32458235
3/3

And don't forget - China can't build up to our quality of ships. They have a surface fleet that is junk compared to our gear.

>>32458244
>UN
That'll be the US with a few yuro ships. All in all not a bad navy to gang rape the chinks with.

>>32458186
Oh fuck me, I think we are operating on a different premise with China "building" islands. It's more or less piling sand on top of reefs and "making" an island out of that. Sure looks great until the tsunamis come through. That will be amazing fun to watch.

>>32458149
Taiwan considers themselves independent and the true government of China in exile. China considers it their territory, but won't do anything about it. Everyone else just kind of coughs and hopes neither starts shit.

>>32458269
The fact that Taiwan is independent shows how impotent PLA is.

>>32458235
>>32458267
All the islands mentioned in those articles already existed and belonged to China. We only re-landscaped them and built some airfields.

>>32458244
China isn't breaking any UN maritime laws.

>>32458269
>the true government of China in exile
And they still consider Taiwan to be a part of that China.No matter which side you support, the fact that Taiwan is a part of China is indisputable.

>>32458299
>China isn't breaking any UN maritime laws.

They are by claiming EEZs outside of their limit.

>>32458281
You're delusional if you really think the PLA wouldn't be able to take Taiwan if it came to that.

>>32458311
Prove it.

>>32458299
> No matter which side you support, the fact that Taiwan is a part of China is indisputable.

Dont tell that to taiwan.

Its time to face the music, they are two different countrys. Pretending otherwise is just pretending. The taiwanese and the soon to be US administration understand this.

>>32458299
They were reefs that had little to do with anything until some sand was piled on them, China stuck a flag in them and said "we are now moving our exclusive zone out and taking yours away and fuck you btw"

Stupid slopes like you think that trying to re-define EEZ's by building islands and saying that they matter more isn't going to do anything, when the matter of the fact is that the EEZ belonged to someone else and you intentionally built those islands (yes you built islands, which is something anyone could have done. I wonder how long they will last) to try to claim more area by taking it from others. You think just because you turned those reefs into clay that you suddenly can just take the EEZ away from someone else? With no consequences? I await the inevitable naval war over this. More dead chinks the merrier.

>>32458318
>if it comes to that
Nice posturing. Put your money where your mouth is and do it Ping Pong.

>>32458333
Trips of truth.

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>>32458331
Even with chinese claimed islands, these claims are far outside maritime EEZs.

>>32458163
I don't understand the meaning intended behind posts about how submarines drive into a group.

What is going to be done about it? Do they think the US Navy just opens fire automatically?

>>32458351
Based on this I have reached the conclusion that China can't go more than two posts without getting BTFO completely.

>>32458363
We should start doing this on chinese flagged ships. Fuck china.

>>32458351
I think the claim line even crosses over that prominence of Mayasia by the Brunei border.

>>32458363
It gets worse when you realize in peacetime the USN has every incentive to NOT disclose when and when they dont spot subs.

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>>32454258
>>32453706
It's a pedantic thing to correct you on, but Endwar was actually developed by a Shanghai based studio of Ubisoft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befJUdq_diw

So yea, I guess it's a chink/frog game.

>>32457924

you must have missed the shitstorm it caused back when this happened, the diesel sub was undetected prior to surfacing by the carrier group, showcasing how shitty U.S fleet defense is.

>>32458421
>the diesel sub was undetected prior to surfacing by the carrier group

Actually, you have no real way of knowing this.

Futhermore, 4chan was not even around when it happened.

>>32457538
Dude, what are you on? I really want some.

>>32458299
You are aware that Taiwan's current political stance is somewhere between 'we are the real China' and 'we don't need to declare ourselves as not China since it should be self-evident', right?

>>32449338
>F-14s
Is this Iran's future aircraft carrier?

>>32453674
If you attack one cities they have empty ones that they can flee too

>>32458350
Those reefs belonged to China then, they belong to China now. Nothing has changed other than the fact China is now taking an active stance in protecting it's sovereignty.

>Put your money where your mouth is and do it Ping Pong.
Why would we kill our own compatriots? Taiwan has not declared independence yet. Things have not escalated to that stage.

>>32458351
Umm, no they're not. Look at the red line in >>32457652. That's based on the 200NM EEZ definition, with some concessions made for the territorial waters of other countries.

>>32458479
It's called truth and knowledge.

>>32458531
Officially, the ROC still proclaims Taiwan to be a part of China.

>>32458739
Taiwan officially insists to BE China. That's not the same as insisting to be a component of the PRC. What is so hard to understand about that? They're claiming the land that the PRC claims, not to be a component of it.

>>32458739
>Umm, no they're not

Extreme west, center, and eastern end.

>>32458739
>That's based on the 200NM EEZ definition, with some concessions made for the territorial waters of other countries.
>Cuts into Malaysia's landmass
>Concessions
The statement here is that your claims on the islands are on dubious ground at best, and picking a fight on purpose at worst.

>>32458754
I understand it completely. I know that both PRC and ROC claim to be the sole legitimate government of China. Moreover, both sides agree that Taiwan is a part of the China that they both claim.

So no matter which side you support, the indisputable fact is that Taiwan is a part of China.

>>32458786
Claiming benevolence and espousing the 9 dash line is impossible, all he has is might is right.

He is fighting a loseing battle.

>>32458739
Except now they claim they are islands and everyone should just give up their nautical borders. It is theft, and you are being retarded about it ping-pong.

>>32458787
>Moreover, both sides agree that Taiwan is a part of the China

Current government is pro two state.

>>32458817
He's going to keep using that line until the day that Taiwan officially proclaims itself an independent state. Which won't be for a while, since they'd rather not deal with potential PRC invasions.

>>32458828

Hence: >>32458269

>>32458843
Which isn't quite accurate. Today Taiwain considers themselves more of their own entity than anything but keeps up the old line since China seems more or less cool with it.

>>32458785
>Extreme west
Is within 200NM of the Paracel and Spartley islands.

>center
Is within 200NM of the Paracel and Spartley islands and Scarborough shoal.

>eastern end
Is within 200NM of the Spartley islands, Scarborough shoal, and Dongsha islands.

>>32458786
I don't see where does the Chinese claim line cut into Malaysia's landmass.

>>32458828
And when that happens, it will be in violation of Anti-Secession Law and promote an armed response to prevent Taiwan from seceding.

>>32458865
>claim entire ocean because fuck you, that's why
>wonder why they're universally loathed

fiddy you so funny

>>32458843
Not quite, as they are dropping the government in exile and just going with independent.

China expects them to go "oh well, better rejoin the mainland", but that will never happen. They are to far ideologically opposed.

>>32458719
Crafty

>>32458865
All three are well within the 200nm EEZ of other nations mainlands.

This does not even go into the dubiousness of the spratly claims, of which every nation owns an island or two, and chinas islands not being able to be used as EEZs due to being artificial islands whos natural state is underwater at high tide.

Maritime law does not only apply to china.

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>>32458865
>it will be in violation of Anti-Secession Law and promote an armed response to prevent Taiwan from seceding.
And a supposed chunk of China claiming to be the rightful government of China is totally not just as bad, right? There's no such thing as states holding political lines that don't line up with reality, right?

>>32458865
>And when that happens, it will be in violation of Anti-Secession Law and promote an armed response to prevent Taiwan from seceding.

A law taiwan had no power to stop or even influence.

Then taiwan passed a law basically nullifing the anti succession law stateing, basicially, that they already defacto succeeded and were independent.

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>>32458865
>I don't see where does the Chinese claim line cut into Malaysia's landmass.
RIGHT FUCKING THERE ARE YOU BLIND?

>>32458910
Of course, their mainlands don't get national waters...

>>32458883
As the Chinese saying goes, the sea of bitterness has no bounds, turn your head and see the shore. Taiwan has absolutely nothing to gain from seceding, and everything to lose. They are still Chinese people, and our compatriots. We are ready to welcome them back any time.

>They are to far ideologically opposed.
This is a complete non issue. When the day eventually comes for China to reunify, Taiwan would be fully allowed to maintain their own political and economic system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

>>32458942
Clearly said landmass is Historically chinas and its rightfully apart of their Benevolent empire and legal under UN law, which means the entire pacific is chinas, including 3 Hawaiian islands.

>>32458964
And that's working out beautifully for Hong Kong, yeah? Thus the near constant protests from those politically opposed, right?

>>32458964
>Taiwan would be fully allowed to maintain their own political and economic system.

Just like HK, amirite?

>Taiwan has absolutely nothing to gain from seceding, and everything to lose.

They already stated they are independent. Distinction without a difference.

>>32458964
>Implying as long as the Communist Party is in charge and refuses to return the Democratic Government to power Taiwan will ever willingly rejoin

>>32458964
how did you even get the o.k. from your government to post online?

>>32459005
He is being paid by them, you silly man.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

>China has inflicted irreparable harm to the marine environment, built a large artificial island in the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone, and destroyed evidence of the natural condition of features in the South China Sea

>there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the waters or their resources. The Tribunal concluded that there was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the ‘nine-dash line’

>Features that are above water at high tide generate an entitlement to at least a 12 nautical mile territorial sea, whereas features that are submerged at high tide do not.

>Under the Convention, islands generate an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and a continental shelf, but “[r]ocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.”

>Tribunal concluded that none of the Spratly Islands is capable of generating extended maritime zones.

>the Spratly Islands cannot generate maritime zones collectively as a unit.

>certain areas are within the exclusive economic zone of the Philippines, the Tribunal found that China had violated the Philippines’ sovereign rights in its exclusive conomic zone by
>(a) interfering with Philippine fishing and petroleum exploration,
>(b) constructing artificial islands and
>(c) failing to prevent Chinese fishermen from fishing in the zone.
>The Tribunal also held that fishermen from the Philippines (like those from China)had traditional fishing rights at Scarborough Shoal and that China had interfered with these rights in restricting access.

pca-cpa.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/175/2016/07/PH-CN-20160712-Press-Release-No-11-English.pdf

>>32459019

This thread is litterally textbook...

>In order to circumscribe the influence of Taiwanese democracy, in order to progress further in the work of guiding public opinion, and in accordance with the requirements established by higher authorities to "be strategic, be skilled," we hope that internet commentators conscientiously study the mindset of netizens, grasp international developments, and better perform the work of being an internet commentator. For this purpose, this notice is promulgated as set forth below:

(1) To the extent possible make America the target of criticism. Play down the existence of Taiwan.
(2) Do not directly confront [the idea of] democracy; rather, frame the argument in terms of "what kind of system can truly implement democracy.”
(3) To the extent possible, choose various examples in Western countries of violence and unreasonable circumstances to explain how democracy is not well-suited to capitalism.
(4) Use America's and other countries' interference in international affairs to explain how Western democracy is actually an invasion of other countries and [how the West] is forcibly pushing [on other countries] Western values.
(5) Use the bloody and tear-stained history of a [once] weak people [i.e., China] to stir up pro-Party and patriotic emotions.
(6) Increase the exposure that positive developments inside China receive; further accommodate the work of maintaining [social] stability.

>>32459042
BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

CHINKS BTFO

>>32459042
REALLY

MAKES

YOU

THINK

>>32458942
My bad, I was looking at the map in >>32458351. That's probably an error on the part of whoever made the map. Obviously it's not an official Chinese map.

>>32458910
>They are to far ideologically opposed.
Similar situations exist all over the world. Simply having a dispute is not in violation of any international maritime law.

>This does not even go into the dubiousness of the spratly claims, of which every nation owns an island or two, and chinas islands not being able to be used as EEZs due to being artificial islands whos natural state is underwater at high tide.
They're coral reefs. Do you know what that means? It means they literally grow by themselves. Even without China's intervention, they'll eventually become above water at high tide after enough time.

>>32458941
>>32458917
Taiwan is a part of China. This fact is not disputed by the ROC or PRC. If Taiwan declares independence, it would be secession, similar to what happened during the American civil war.

>>32458983
>>32458986
The fact that they're allowed to protest at all shows the commitment China has to respecting HK's political system. In the mainland, protests are subject to prior application and approval by the government before they can commence. This is not the case in HK, because the PRC respects their political independence.

>>32459022
>China has inflicted irreparable harm to the marine environment, built a large artificial island in the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone, and destroyed evidence of the natural condition of features in the South China Sea
Yeah, as a geologist, this is my biggest dissatisfaction about what China is doing in the South China sea. It's too bad they had to ruin those reefs to build runways.

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>>32459042
All of those are valid arguments though. Just because shills use them doesn't make them any less valid.

>>32459087
>reply to 7 different posts
>don't make a single substantial counterargument

So why should Americans respond to a totalitarian state annexing huge amounts of territory from their neighbors with anything other than opposition?

>>32459109
If I don't address everyone, you'd all accuse me selectively responding to arguments and get upset that I didn't respond to you. I've been on 4ch long enough to understand how these things go.

>>32459087
But the matters that the protesters are complaining about are matters of the upholding of the so-called two party system. They would have no need to protest if China was meeting their end of the deal. You do understand that protesters do so to complain about something, right?

>>32459087
>Simply having a dispute is not in violation of any international maritime law.

Stateing that x is yours and ignoreing other nations rights IS a violation.

>Even without China's intervention, they'll eventually become above water at high tide after enough time.

But they never did, therefore the island is considered artificial and not able to have an EEZ, much less territorial rights, legally.

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>>32455502
>China stronk!!!

Aptly put, that's all "China strong" actually is, a meme.

>>32459087
>Taiwan is a part of China. This fact is not disputed by the ROC or PRC. If Taiwan declares independence, it would be secession
>>32458787
>PRC and ROC claim to be the sole legitimate government of China
You do understand how secession is an unrelated element, right? Any such act has already occurred.

>>32459087
>This fact is not disputed by the ROC or PRC.

The fact is that the ROC considers itself completely independent.

Its a distinction without a difference.

>If Taiwan declares independence, it would be secession, similar to what happened during the American civil war.

Actually, no, being that the south never removed itself from northern control, before offically seceding.

>>32459125
>yet another reply without any substantial counter-argument

Why should Americans view Chinese expansionism in the Western Pacific as anything other than a threat?

Do you think that the average American is too stupid to remember Anschluss and the Sudetenland?

Because they are, that's exactly why they aren't allowed to run anything important.

>>32457899
>Chinese think we aren't aware of where their subs are at all times just like the Soviets did

Fucking lol

>>32459108
Well being that your a shill, of course you would think blatent misdirection tactics are vaild.

>>32459175
Brit spotted.

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>>32459133
China isn't ignoring other nations. China is fully committed to maintaining world peace and peacefully resolving territorial disputes. However, it's not wrong to be assertive.

>>32459162
>The fact is that the ROC considers itself completely independent.
No it doesn't. See pic related.

>>32459154
You do understand how secession is an unrelated element, right? Any such act has already occurred.
The ROC, which is in control of Taiwan, still claims to be the legitimate government of China, and believes Taiwan to be a part of that China. So legally, Taiwan is a part of China.

>>32459197
You're close, I'm an old money WASP.

>>32459087
You are late to the party, taiwan already declared itself independent, they just didnt use the S word.

They are making a mockery of mainland china.

>>32459175
It's not expansionism. China is just defending what's theirs. The only reason it might seem like expansionism to you is because you're used to see other countries disregarding China's territorial integrity and sovereignty. This will no longer be the case going forward.

>>32459182
I'm not a shill. I do it for free.

>>32456663
Are you casually forgetting how the DPRK invaded the South?

>>32459204
>No it doesn't.

>>"Prior to the passage of the bill, a statement from Taipei's Mainland Affairs Council and a resolution overwhelming passed by the ROC legislature stated that the status quo is that the Republic of China is sovereign and independent."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Secession_Law

>>32459228
Why should America see it as "theirs"

More importantly, why shouldn't America oppose it? The Third Reich thought that they had the right to a greater Germany, and compromise with them only made the ensuing conflict much worse.

If America did what the PRC wants them to do and stayed out of the Western Pacific, the Japanese would still have half of China.

>>32459204
>China isn't ignoring other nations.

Except they are by claiming EEZs on artifical islands.

>>32449338
pop goes the ulation

>>32459204
The level of doublethink you're capable of is amazing. How is it possible that what China considers to be a rogue region that governs itself and takes part in international relations as its own entity has not already seceded from the rule of the PRC?

>>32459228
>I'm not a shill. I do it for free.

Use shill tactics, agree with shill tactics...

Buddy, you are a shill. Maybe an intern due to being so bad at it.

>>32459236
But doooooood they didnt get far so it doesn't count lol!

>>32459228
>It's not expansionism. China is just defending what's theirs. The only reason it might seem like expansionism to you is because you're used to see other countries disregarding China's territorial integrity and sovereignty. This will no longer be the case going forward.

>Taking National waters China has no sovereign claim to

>>32454525
>The most powerful people in the world let farmers fight them for virtually ALL of it's existence. From Korea

If the US listened to MacArthur and used nukes in Korea it would have set a political precedent that the Soviets, who had acquired nuclear weapons by that point, could use nuclear weapons in wars against US proxy states.

>>32459217
>>32459240
The Republic of China is sovereign and independent doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is a part of the ROC, which claims to be the government of China, and therefore Taiwan is a part of China.

>>32459236
That's debatable. In any case, the UN should not have invaded Korea to intervene in their civil war.

>>32459284
Ergo, we could have nuked iraq and been done with it.

>>32459286
>That's debatable

Actually its not. At all. In any reasonable world. The DPRK invaded the south.

>>32459286
I like how the argument on how 'The ROC claims ownership of the mainland' transitions to 'The ROC is a part of the PRC' with the elegance of a coughing fit to cover a lack of a real point.

>>32459253
Which creates zero sovereign waters for the nations in the region based on a bunch of non-inhabitable reefs you built some airfields on to intimidate them with.

>>32459261
>takes part in international relations as its own entity
This is simply wrong. Very few countries in the world maintains diplomatic relations with the ROC. At the Olympic games they compete as "Chinese Taipei".

>>32459253
Those islands aren't artificial. They already existed before China started building on them.

>>32459279
The Korean People's Army nearly drove the South Koreans and US forces into the sea before the UN intervened.

>>32459282
China has sovereign claim to those waters because China owns those islands.

>>32459335
>China has sovereign claim to those waters because China owns those islands.

*Reef chunks above water line at low tide they built airfields on

>>32459335
>before the UN intervened

What precisely do you think "the UN" is in this context?

Because there's a reason they were a steamroller in Korea and a joke in Rwanda.

>>32459335
Gee, it's almost as if the PRC exerts international pressure on other states not to talk to the ROC. Even then, don't you find it funny how when the US sells weapons to Taiwan, they don't feel the need to go through the Communist party?

>>32459310
When did I ever say the ROC is a part of the PRC? The ROC does not consider the ROC to be the legitimate government of China, but it does consider Taiwan to be a part of China.

>>32459335
>The Korean People's Army nearly drove the South Koreans and US forces into the sea before the UN intervened.

Uhh....no? The UN was always present, the US forces acting under UN power.

Furthermore, they didn't. Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades.

>>32459335
>They already existed before China started building on them.

Not legally, due to being completely submerged at high tide.

After reading this thread, I firmly believe that any US compromise in the East Asian region will be the death of my country. America please give us more ABMs.

>>32459286
It does mean taiwan is defacto independent. Its all ROC owns, and the PRC does not.

The next US admin very will might support a independent taiwan (that gives the mainland to the PRC, of course) as is reality.

If would be an easy way to bait china into being the bad guy. 1000s of BMs raining down on citys makes great evening news.

Actucally, either XI looks like a bitch or a monster if taiwan goes ahead with it. Trump might be a master mind.

>>32459525
SM-6, hell, SM-2s would work for SRBMs. SM-3 for midcourse. THAAD for terminal. Quad packed ESSMs for not.

All aboard the ageis ashore train. If you got the cash, we got the missiles.

>>32449542
>first fucking reply

it's ogre

everyone fucking go home, holy shit

>>32459577

DON'T FORGET PATRIOT PAC-3 IRINT!

>>32459591
PAC-3
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3

>>32457156
>wan't

>>32458185
>>depth charges I choose you!
ASW torpedoes, but otherwise mostly correct.

>>32449621

Underrated.

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>>32454586
>"I am regular reader, how are you everybody?
This piece of writing posted at this website is really fastidious."

>>32459204

Wrong. China's navy is an unprofessional set of thugs who bully other countries into submission, in defiance of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea which China itself ratified:

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2016/05/13/chinese-boats-continue-attacks-vietnamese-fishing-boats/

http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/china-and-unclos-an-inconvenient-history/

As has always been the case with the CCP, might makes right and fuck foreigners. It's cute of you to pretend any different.

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>>32454234

>Massive power generation facility
>Not a viable military target

Pick one and only one Chang

Or does covering targets in babies and sobbing mothers somehow lessen their viability.

>>32456597
>liberating

The only reason the sad sad excuse of a nation state that is Best Korea exists is because China doesnt want a US base within LITERAL spitting distance of Chinese clay.

>>32462131
Its funny because today such things dont even matter in todays world. Its not 1950. The US does not need nearby bases to strike or get intellegence on targets.

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>>32462131

If the Chinese had the capability to defeat the sorks(and the US forces that would help them) and force a best korean reunification, they would. They think that anything near Beijing is a threat.

>>32462143
China doesnt like it when we fly B52s over tiny disputed rocks near Japan. Especially with the whole "asian honor" thing the idea that their main rival could actually toss a stone onto their territory is something theyd fight with human wave attacks if they needed to. (as evidenced by the Korean War)

I wasnt kidding about literal spitting distance either, especially now that we've got someone like Trump who actually would do something that given the chance.

>>32458049
>We
If you were a real american, there wouldn't be 'we' because that 'we' would have nothing to do with you. It would only be an inner circle of few hundred people that makes up the communist party. You and others like you have no part in anything.You are only there to take it up your bum when the next law more retarded than the last will pass that will legally ban you from doing something fun. And you're stupid enough to think it's for your own good when in reality it's another piece of ideological bullshit your leaders have no better idea about either, but will pass it either way in order to make it seem like things are orderly and civilized for dumb cattle like you are.

>>32457141
Pershing II was nuke-tipped and didn't rely on hypersonic impact to be effective. It had to execute a velocity-scrubbing maneuver at high altitude before the radar could function.

Now, it does sound like the DF-21D may be intended to do something similar, but that just makes me all the more dubious of it's efficacy as a non-nuclear anti-ship weapon. With a nuke on it, it'd be quite formidable indeed (even near misses would be devestating)... but without? I just don't see it being particularly effective, especially in the face of jamming and other countermeasures.

Frankly, I think even a conventional subsonic AShM would be more dangerous to a carrier. At least they have time to make corrections after reaching burn-through range.

>>32449338
implying it would ever be used. 0/10.
dog thinks he found a tootsie roll but its really a cat turd.

>>32456597
>China
>On 4chan

I find this hard to believe since they block 4chan in China

>>32465484
Common internet, maybe. The propaganda army probably has full access to everything.

>>32457788
sauce?

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>>32458133
Is it wrong to have sexual thoughts about the C-17?

If any board needs flags, it's this one.

Would be great for weeding out the europoor and Canadian shitposters

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>>32465912
Here, use this well. The english from those shills is too damn good to be mainland China, but I'll call them all ping-pong in any case to piss them off.

>>32456952

So then why didnt you guys just halt at the Pusan perimeter? Yall had the upper hand and DIDNT sue for peace. The fact that you couldnt crush those beaten, starved, and all around fucked defenders is beyond me.

>>32457069
>Resist and Aid
Literally done by people that killed all the educated people for being educated. I wonder what they meant by that?

>>32458299
>rescaped
Heaping a fuckton of sand on the bottom of the ocean dosent mean a island was already there.
>Taiwan
Chiang Kai Shek thinks youre a clown.


I know youre trolling, but I always get so sad with this Chinese shilling shit. No one believes it. My great-great grandfather was a pure chinese immigrant. How do the chinks go from Sun Tzu, Fu Hao, leading science and innovation, basically the America of the world circa 9000 BC to the worlds shittiest copycats? Like, fuck, the recent influx of chinese tourists is nuts (theyre the rudest fucking people on the face of the earth).

Its just sad to see what youve become.

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>>32465821
It's in the filename, my negro. Space Battleship Yamato. I believe these scenes are from SBY 2199, but don't quote me, I haven't actually watched them.

>>32465887

Nope